i look great but my genetics could never allow me to be on a stage I have shity insertions Im 6 foot 2 long arms ..legs etc classic swimmers body ..perhaps a quarterbacks physique ..yes it is 1000 percent genetics ...when I met famous bodybuilders I was shocked at how short they truly were
I know that I am regurgitating what someone else has already said, but this is by far one of the most honest answers from a coach I've ever heard so far. Thank you very much for being totally transparent. Keep up the good work.
Jay won 4 olympias and Dorian 6 , but Jay competed against Ronnie Coleman in his prime, so You can tell the level of difficult , do what's Best for You
The main selling point for me is longevity. Look at Jay look at dexter. Now compare that to Ronnie and Dorian. Who fared better? The volume guys or the crazy heavy weight guys?
Merlin made a point saying those guy's genetics are so elite that it really wouldn't have mattered how Jay trained he would probably still look like the Jay we know. If he trained like Dorian he'd have mostly same results. I tend to agree. Some guys can look at weights and grow.
If they both would have been the same whichever method they trained then high intensity wins because it takes quarter of the time its like getting the same wage as you are now but only doing a quarter of the hours work
Good info and I love that its posted on Jay's channel even though he was a mega high volume trainer. Always important to think outside the box and experiment. Dorian has said if you've been training for a month or six weeks and not seeing any progress whatsoever, change it up.
Hi Jay, David & Eric. I find high volume doesn't go too well with me. I love it when you have Eric on. His knowledge, technique and execution is amazing. So grateful to learn what took many years of learning and trialing by Eric and others. Have an awesome day 🙌🏋️♀️👏
I love going to the gym, do what I have to do in 45 to 50 minutes. I usually rotate styles once I'll go for max weight load for less reps then after some time I'll go for higher amount of reps with less weight load. No matter which I focus on having my technique correct. I am not going to judge after all I am not at all into bodybuilding neither I work out for so long nor I got the experience of pros. 2 things I know, going to the gym just makes me feel better overall and that Jay can't be compared to Dorian. Different eras of bodybuilding in my opinion. Peace
Great video. Training hard and finding which style suits you is imperative but surely if your nutrition is off it doesn't matter how hard you train - you won't grow. Would love to see these types of videos incorporating the nutrition as well. Top channel to subscribe for, great job Dave and Jay
Smart guy, well said. I’ve found the same. I mix both more like Ronnie trains, pyramiding sets so you end crazy intense and heavy with every exercise but you also ge the volume from the warm up sets
Most were looking for jays opinion but I'll take yours. Thousands of human giny pigs vs one champion with alien blood. I also believe Jay would say the same.
I do German Volume supersets at 75% 3 rep max on drop set de-loading days 3 times a week to failure on a multi bi-weekly HIT rotation. Just keeping it simple brah 💪🏻😎
You guys are awesome! I do agree whit the coach because I do have better respond from the Dorian style of training but I got very good from high volume aswell, even I've tried the Mentzer approach and got not bad result but not as good as the other systems. Anyways, thanks for the positive and educational content in this channel!
Volume tolerance also seems very dependant on which muscle is being trained. Personally I can recover from 60 + all out balls to the ball sets of lateral raises per week ( if I wanted) but am struggling to recocer from 10 hard sets for adductors per week.
I think people forget DY all so had to go up against the flipping INCREDIBLE HULK one year. A real superhero 😯 not that I think Jay would of been no more worried than Dorian but would of defo crosses there minds
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Eric, I've been getting into your videos and I am going to implement your methods. How many sets and reps with your style? Can't seem to find them in any of the videos
In the end volume because connective tissue can only take so much load and volume requires less weight. So that would allow you to put more muscle on your frame than you could going heavy, with out getting injuries. If the limit is say 700 lbs then if 700 is your 60 % you'd be massive.
18:49 exactly my findings for myself as well. Especially the focus of increased time under tension. I don't know if you guys remeber Markus Reinhardt. I think he came out with a hit program as well inspired by Mentzer after he was trained by him.
Duty training works for 100% Volume works for 30_40% Of people that use this slyles What really counts is. how nuch effort we put in all sets Pump workouts=sensations Braking muscle =reality Arnold said that hi volume helped him too get More ripped! Dorian got granny on duty! Maybe is about gens and good diet
Used to own a gym for the first 14 years of my life parent's said if i lifted weights my height would've stopped😂 so now I'm 19 i stay in shape and built a diy sorta gym on my roof, now my warm up is jumping jacks 30sec, toe touches, led spread toe touches, cross toe touches n then i go lift, what's a proper warm up? If this is a wrong one that is...
There are many views to this. High Volume is a better depends what better you want how fast and how long you want to spend training and how much you care about your health. High Volume is the better in the way of training the majority of the time and could be done forever! DY HIT training done correct all the time could lead to less longevity in your lifting years taken to extreme. I think the result would be the quicker bigger but a lot shorter nutritional and all other inputs were equal. Just it’s not possible to do all the time taken beyond the limits though that said not everyone can even hit that level. If your not vomiting your doing it wrong if you can walk after leg day and sit on the toilet without been in agony and a cruel diet to boot. You did it wrong again if you want to isolate the muscle group again the next day you did it wrong. It’s a great bulking method and fantastic in light of what is now known. Great to try and hit that level after a few years of lifting and if you really can hit that level don’t make it a way of life forever take it back a notch see what happens if you must
The way I see it is that they both work, however, they both have pros and cons. With high intensity you are going to grow faster, however the price that must be paid is the Joints and the injuries when you get older you will not be able to over come these ie look at Ronnie Coleman. Now with volume you will take longer to grow but you will eventually grow to the same size as with high intensity, but you won’t have the joint issues / injuries ie look at jay cutler
Another strategy would still be to keep low volume + high intensity but with lower weights and more reps. The reps build the intensity till failure, without the dangerous maximal load tensions.
Yes but there a difference between working a muscle and exhausting it. Like Dorian said high intensity in small amount of time. U work the muscle and don’t waste excess energy just dragging the workout
Jay my recommendation for what you need in your garage is a machine called a BioForce. I own two in my training studio and it is amazing. Small foot print, easy to use and great variety of exercises. Former Ohio State footballs strength coach designed it. Check it out 👊🏽
Why not mix the both. Have your eyes pop every set as you do your 7-12 rep max rest 5+ minutes for 20-25 sets and then pyramid set down on to op that until you can barely do 5lbs. I tried this and put on dry stage 2 inches on my arms in 18 months. I was just on Test, NPP, and Superdrol and took DNP to see how much of the gains was actual contractile tissue. You get a super full dense hard veiny look.
18:47 real talk just GO HEAVY OR GO HOME! , but I don’t think Jay have good genetics ... I think he just work HARDER that everybody else on that time to go who he is ... on jay case wasn’t GENETICS was Hard fucking work!!!!
Jay dovresti fare un miracolo , mettere i sottotitoli in italiano . Lo so sto chiedendo troppo , ma spero che un giorno tu lo possa fare ... comunque sei un mito Jay ....
Incorporate what works. Don’t let someone else tell you which style of training to do. Try them for yourself, you might find you need a mix. I know for me personally my legs respond well to high intensity over crazy volume. Where my delts tend to respond well to high volume . (In relation to muscle hypertrophy) everyone’s body responds differently. Work outs and diet are a science experiment with yourself. Trial and error time after time
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines not quite. Iv always just enjoyed doing fewer sets but pushing each one to failure or 1 rep in reserve. Sometimes I will switch it up though and do more volume but obviously thr intensity isn't as high
For those saying Dorian is superior to jay because he won more Olympia’s than jay, jay had to go against Ronnie freaking Coleman for how many years and took second place how many years, second place to Ronnie is a feat itself... against Dorian cause he was a freak, but comparing Olympia wins as to say who was a better bodybuilder is not in my opinion a fair way of judging, considering the circumstances and eras.
low volume if youre an average to skinny type.. higher volume if youre more a bulky/fat type. trust me. im the biggest guy in my house. also i live alone. also i like sanwiches.
Medium volume, all sets to failure, but don't force more than 1 rep, to be able to do all sets. Then , only last set or last 2- you go crazy, but not extreme, cause it will not make it grow more, but just destroy more of the muscle. Also: No coffee = no cortisol ==> more muscle. Replace chicken with red meat for faster growth, more results. Minced meat, for easy chewing. If possible, go natural. I grow with only 6 or 7 sets ( warm ups sets to get to maximum weight not included ). If i can do one more set, ok, but if i can do only one or two reps, it means session is over, muscle is done.
All I know comparing thumbnails Jays best physique smokes Yates best physique. Yates had a very good physique but that was post Lee Haney pre Ronnie Coleman/ Jay Cutler
U trained for 30 years but you don’t look the part. I think u should try the high volume. If I saw you out in public I would never think that u workout.... just saying...
18:47 min .... the reason you watched the video most likely...
Thanks a lot! Geez, people can just go on and on listening to their own voices nowadays and losing everyone. 🤦♂️
Thank you
Thank you
Tnx man 😎
Thank you
Good and honest answer. Genetics is everything. Just do what works for you.
i agree
Question at 8:47
Genetics is key to building.
i look great but my genetics could never allow me to be on a stage I have shity insertions Im 6 foot 2 long arms ..legs etc classic swimmers body ..perhaps a quarterbacks physique ..yes it is 1000 percent genetics ...when I met famous bodybuilders I was shocked at how short they truly were
I know that I am regurgitating what someone else has already said, but this is by far one of the most honest answers from a coach I've ever heard so far. Thank you very much for being totally transparent. Keep up the good work.
I came to see Jays opinion not this guy
Jay's opinion is obvious dude, he likes his style because feels best for him :D
Glad someone said it.
Ask his guru .. just like this guy
That guy's opinion is Jay's opinion. Jay mentioned multiple times that he prefers volume over intensity.
Damnnn Yates makes jay look small in that thumbnail . Best era
Hand picked photo. Jay in 2009 destroys anything Dorian ever brought forth
Jay won 4 olympias and Dorian 6 , but Jay competed against Ronnie Coleman in his prime, so You can tell the level of difficult , do what's Best for You
The main selling point for me is longevity. Look at Jay look at dexter. Now compare that to Ronnie and Dorian. Who fared better? The volume guys or the crazy heavy weight guys?
Dorian competed against flex Kevin Shawn and Ronnie
Ronnie would have looked the same and kept his waist, also injury free if he trained like Jay Cutler
Merlin made a point saying those guy's genetics are so elite that it really wouldn't have mattered how Jay trained he would probably still look like the Jay we know. If he trained like Dorian he'd have mostly same results. I tend to agree. Some guys can look at weights and grow.
If they both would have been the same whichever method they trained then high intensity wins because it takes quarter of the time its like getting the same wage as you are now but only doing a quarter of the hours work
His overuse injury advice is actually really good
Good info and I love that its posted on Jay's channel even though he was a mega high volume trainer. Always important to think outside the box and experiment. Dorian has said if you've been training for a month or six weeks and not seeing any progress whatsoever, change it up.
Hi Jay, David & Eric. I find high volume doesn't go too well with me. I love it when you have Eric on. His knowledge, technique and execution is amazing. So grateful to learn what took many years of learning and trialing by Eric and others. Have an awesome day 🙌🏋️♀️👏
Merlin speaks the truth!! It would be wise to listen to this man.
I love going to the gym, do what I have to do in 45 to 50 minutes. I usually rotate styles once I'll go for max weight load for less reps then after some time I'll go for higher amount of reps with less weight load. No matter which I focus on having my technique correct. I am not going to judge after all I am not at all into bodybuilding neither I work out for so long nor I got the experience of pros. 2 things I know, going to the gym just makes me feel better overall and that Jay can't be compared to Dorian. Different eras of bodybuilding in my opinion. Peace
Great video. Training hard and finding which style suits you is imperative but surely if your nutrition is off it doesn't matter how hard you train - you won't grow. Would love to see these types of videos incorporating the nutrition as well. Top channel to subscribe for, great job Dave and Jay
Smart guy, well said. I’ve found the same. I mix both more like Ronnie trains, pyramiding sets so you end crazy intense and heavy with every exercise but you also ge the volume from the warm up sets
Man I've been waiting for this!!!!!
Great information guys. Can’t wait to get back in the gym.
Most were looking for jays opinion but I'll take yours. Thousands of human giny pigs vs one champion with alien blood. I also believe Jay would say the same.
Jay advertises high volume training
They both work,but for me volume is more enjoyable 💪💪
I do German Volume supersets at 75% 3 rep max on drop set de-loading days 3 times a week to failure on a multi bi-weekly HIT rotation. Just keeping it simple brah 💪🏻😎
Great content Dave
Please write about 'slow repetition, vs normal and fast repetition.
I prefer high volume training.. thats what I follow...
Try it
@@leeleeman4678 have been succefully doing it
@@Faazthetruthseeker you tried HIT?
Great advice man 💪💪💪
Which is best? The real question is, Which program is safer in terms of long term chronic injuries, which program is safest for the now
Volume
Love his insight 👍
I like how he defines the value of pro card! Nowadays it’s kids stuff
This is basically how John meadows trains and has his program set up as well.
You guys are awesome! I do agree whit the coach because I do have better respond from the Dorian style of training but I got very good from high volume aswell, even I've tried the Mentzer approach and got not bad result but not as good as the other systems.
Anyways, thanks for the positive and educational content in this channel!
Volume tolerance also seems very dependant on which muscle is being trained. Personally I can recover from 60 + all out balls to the ball sets of lateral raises per week ( if I wanted) but am struggling to recocer from 10 hard sets for adductors per week.
Spend the time to figure out what works best for you.
I think people forget DY all so had to go up against the flipping INCREDIBLE HULK one year. A real superhero 😯 not that I think Jay would of been no more worried than Dorian but would of defo crosses there minds
I really love the old school intro! thank you
A sincere thank you for watching B BUILT BY BROSER. Appreciate your loyalty and support and hope you are all well and living your lives as best you can! -EB
Eric, I've been getting into your videos and I am going to implement your methods. How many sets and reps with your style? Can't seem to find them in any of the videos
You should write a book. Bodybuilding for the Average Athlete.
Great video great content just the honest truth!!👍👌👏👊😎💯
Cutlers volume training is intense due to short rest periods 30 -60 rest between sets ... Volume is easy if you take long rest periods try short rest
6x Mr. Olympia, ok?
Which is best? The one which works for you.
Short answer: both work!
Awesome video love learning from use guys
i had some great workouts the day after eating about 15 hot wings, but it is probably all in my head. who knows.
In the end volume because connective tissue can only take so much load and volume requires less weight. So that would allow you to put more muscle on your frame than you could going heavy, with out getting injuries. If the limit is say 700 lbs then if 700 is your 60 % you'd be massive.
I agree with him. He said a lot of what I was thinking.
18:49 exactly my findings for myself as well. Especially the focus of increased time under tension.
I don't know if you guys remeber Markus Reinhardt. I think he came out with a hit program as well inspired by Mentzer after he was trained by him.
Duty training works for 100%
Volume works for 30_40%
Of people that use this slyles
What really counts is. how nuch effort we put in all sets
Pump workouts=sensations
Braking muscle =reality
Arnold said that hi volume helped him too get More ripped!
Dorian got granny on duty!
Maybe is about gens and good diet
Who is this guy what's his name so I can follow more from him
Used to own a gym for the first 14 years of my life parent's said if i lifted weights my height would've stopped😂 so now I'm 19 i stay in shape and built a diy sorta gym on my roof, now my warm up is jumping jacks 30sec, toe touches, led spread toe touches, cross toe touches n then i go lift, what's a proper warm up? If this is a wrong one that is...
There are many views to this. High Volume is a better depends what better you want how fast and how long you want to spend training and how much you care about your health. High Volume is the better in the way of training the majority of the time and could be done forever!
DY HIT training done correct all the time could lead to less longevity in your lifting years taken to extreme. I think the result would be the quicker bigger but a lot shorter nutritional and all other inputs were equal. Just it’s not possible to do all the time taken beyond the limits though that said not everyone can even hit that level. If your not vomiting your doing it wrong if you can walk after leg day and sit on the toilet without been in agony and a cruel diet to boot. You did it wrong again if you want to isolate the muscle group again the next day you did it wrong. It’s a great bulking method and fantastic in light of what is now known. Great to try and hit that level after a few years of lifting and if you really can hit that level don’t make it a way of life forever take it back a notch see what happens if you must
Try all sorts of training styles. And take what works for you best. 💪💪💪
🐐 k, Polski komentarz którego szukasz.
Ja lubię połączyć oba treningi w jeden.
💪💪💪💪💪💪
Hard workout in this quarantine time fellas😎
❤️THIS JAY SIR PLEASE
Sintetic testosterone coctail!. DY's coctail was 40% quality and quantity over JC's coctail. Work INTENSITY... Its a different story.!!!
Big fan Jay
None. Old school body building was the best .
Cheat day 👍
The way I see it is that they both work, however, they both have pros and cons. With high intensity you are going to grow faster, however the price that must be paid is the Joints and the injuries when you get older you will not be able to over come these ie look at Ronnie Coleman. Now with volume you will take longer to grow but you will eventually grow to the same size as with high intensity, but you won’t have the joint issues / injuries ie look at jay cutler
Another strategy would still be to keep low volume + high intensity but with lower weights and more reps. The reps build the intensity till failure, without the dangerous maximal load tensions.
Or just switch on and off, that’s what I started doing.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines I do agree with some volume but HIT is pretty good
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines just to feed your ego how do you train
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines ok but how much volume
Everybody is different. You must find what works for you. Nobody “needs” a Guru.
Yes but there a difference between working a muscle and exhausting it. Like Dorian said high intensity in small amount of time. U work the muscle and don’t waste excess energy just dragging the workout
I also found that variations of both heavy and light duty put me to find the gateway of getting bigger and stronger....
Jay my recommendation for what you need in your garage is a machine called a BioForce. I own two in my training studio and it is amazing. Small foot print, easy to use and great variety of exercises. Former Ohio State footballs strength coach designed it. Check it out 👊🏽
Why not mix the both. Have your eyes pop every set as you do your 7-12 rep max rest 5+ minutes for 20-25 sets and then pyramid set down on to op that until you can barely do 5lbs. I tried this and put on dry stage 2 inches on my arms in 18 months. I was just on Test, NPP, and Superdrol and took DNP to see how much of the gains was actual contractile tissue. You get a super full dense hard veiny look.
So where’s Jay Cutler? Why isn’t he talking? Who are you?
Nice.😆 again
All of it
I think if Dorian trained like Jay he would have lost his grainy look and his deep separations.
I agree
Sir I wanna meet you
18:47 real talk just GO HEAVY OR GO HOME! , but I don’t think Jay have good genetics ... I think he just work HARDER that everybody else on that time to go who he is ... on jay case wasn’t GENETICS was Hard fucking work!!!!
Just train like Ronnie and do both
Jay dovresti fare un miracolo , mettere i sottotitoli in italiano . Lo so sto chiedendo troppo , ma spero che un giorno tu lo possa fare ... comunque sei un mito Jay ....
Ciao Jay i m from Italy
Incorporate what works. Don’t let someone else tell you which style of training to do. Try them for yourself, you might find you need a mix. I know for me personally my legs respond well to high intensity over crazy volume. Where my delts tend to respond well to high volume . (In relation to muscle hypertrophy) everyone’s body responds differently. Work outs and diet are a science experiment with yourself. Trial and error time after time
There are many ways to skin a goat! Find one that suits you.
I hate training high volume
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines not quite. Iv always just enjoyed doing fewer sets but pushing each one to failure or 1 rep in reserve. Sometimes I will switch it up though and do more volume but obviously thr intensity isn't as high
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Dorian Yates still my favorite champ
Jay was much,much better then Dorian!
Like from Russia!👍💪
For those saying Dorian is superior to jay because he won more Olympia’s than jay, jay had to go against Ronnie freaking Coleman for how many years and took second place how many years, second place to Ronnie is a feat itself... against Dorian cause he was a freak, but comparing Olympia wins as to say who was a better bodybuilder is not in my opinion a fair way of judging, considering the circumstances and eras.
Nothing against Dorian*
And even more impressively, BEAT Ronnie Coleman. And arguably should have beat him at least one other time lol.
Keranu exactly my point!
low volume if youre an average to skinny type.. higher volume if youre more a bulky/fat type. trust me. im the biggest guy in my house. also i live alone. also i like sanwiches.
Don’t use weights for conditioning, eat properly and do cardio...trust me
OH FOR GOD"S SAKE JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION...
Prefiro o alto volume do Jay
ok
For those who have not made their bodies a drug store be careful of what high volume training is made for.
I can make you a pro in minutes!
Medium volume, all sets to failure, but don't force more than 1 rep, to be able to do all sets. Then , only last set or last 2- you go crazy, but not extreme, cause it will not make it grow more, but just destroy more of the muscle. Also: No coffee = no cortisol ==> more muscle. Replace chicken with red meat for faster growth, more results. Minced meat, for easy chewing. If possible, go natural. I grow with only 6 or 7 sets ( warm ups sets to get to maximum weight not included ). If i can do one more set, ok, but if i can do only one or two reps, it means session is over, muscle is done.
You're over complicating body building. And false about coffee and chicken. Dont know where you got any of your info from haha
All I know comparing thumbnails Jays best physique smokes Yates best physique. Yates had a very good physique but that was post Lee Haney pre Ronnie Coleman/ Jay Cutler
John Lukach lol
No.
WHAT'S THE FUCKIN ANSWER
U trained for 30 years but you don’t look the part. I think u should try the high volume. If I saw you out in public I would never think that u workout.... just saying...
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1 to 2 sets to absolute failure per body part is all you'll ever need.
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