I actually got this song through an online class I took from the Recording Revolution by Graham Cochrane. Great teacher and great content to learn with!
VERY clear presentation with real reasoning. A huge additional bonus was that KILLER track that you worked on. Who, where and how one can learn more about that band?
Problem with that is when the general public go see a band they don’t hear drums from a drummer’s perspective, so mixing from that perspective is actually incorrect.
In this mix, it would depend on what role the violin was playing. Is it playing lead lines? Is it more behind the scenes? Are there multiple violins I can pan to both sides? Those kinds of questions... I'd experiment with it until I felt like it fit the rest of the mix.
Good video. You don't have that overly annoying persona that many mixing and mastering channels have where it's just really one long commercial for themselves, so I appriciate that 😁 I listened to a track like Avicii- Hey Brother so learn how they pan. It seems to me in that particular song, they guitar begins when it's solo panned to the mid with stereo imaging, and then when the other guitar starts it pans more to the left, while the second guitar is in the right, maybe 40-50% and obviously the bass and song is in the middle. THen the chords is superhard to make out because they are so low in volume, sounds like they maybe put extra reverb on the piano chords so they sound very far away, but are still there... maybe in the mid, super hard to make out for me anyway. Then same with the main melody when it comes in, seems to be in the middle and effects automation panning from the side. It's pretty interesting analyzing songs like this. Honestly it seems to me a lot of professional songs mix a lot in the middle? Im not sure how they manage to get so clear mixes while still having the sounds very centered, probably some illusion typ mixing of some kind, maybe that delay trick.
Well thank you 😆 And you’re right. It’s fascinating to listen to pro mixes and try to figure out how they made it sound like it does. One thing people often forget is that a mix doesn’t have to be static. Using automation, you can change the panning, volume, etc at any point in the song. This creates movement and space in the mix. As far as your comment about not knowing how they keep things so clear while still up the middle, you shouldn’t rely on panning for clarity. In many systems, your mix will be collapsed into mono, so if you rely on panning, your mix will fall apart. You want to create clarity with tools like EQ, compression, or plugins that affect depth and texture.
@@themixingprocess a lot good mixers, sometimes you hear the phrase "only remove frquences with EQ never add" and then when you actually see them mix and master they add a 6 DB + shelf to the high frequences 😂
It's more of a mindset than a rule... obviously, you want to use whatever is necessary to create the tone you're looking for, but more often than not, subtractive EQ will keep you out of trouble the most. High end is the most common "exception".
Good explanation, but first, could you show and explain how you treat your mono and stereo channels, pan law settings and pan mode for each of your instruments
The default pan law in Reaper is 0db, and I haven't really experimented with changing it. Pan mode default is stereo balance/mono pan, but on tracks with stereo instruments, I'll change it to dual pan. As far as how I treat my mono and stereo channels, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking... can you elaborate?
It's hard to say without knowing your specific setup, but I'll just say this: there's no right or wrong way to do it unless the method you choose prevents people in certain areas of the room from hearing a balanced mix or specific elements of the music. For example, if you pan an instrument hard left or right in a room where people don't have the whole stereo image, part of your audience is going to miss out on that instrument. It's really just a balancing act dependent on your room configuration and system setup.
Hola desde Argentina. Hiciste todo lo contrario a lo que dijiste en un comienzo. Terminaste dejando 3 instrumentos en el centro superponiendose, más los drums. Donde esta el contraste y la separación?
There’s always going to be some overlap. That’s ok. Panning is only one of the many tools we use to create separation and space. Once we’ve created a good balance with panning, we can also use EQ or compression to make things fit even more.
You probably already know this, but for anyone that doesn't, a pop filter will reduce plosives and sibilance when recording. They *can* be processed in post, but are *much* easier to eliminate at the source. 🙂 Back in my broke student days, I used pantyhose stretched over a wire coat hanger loop. XD
Thanks for the feedback. That was either the first or one of the first videos I made with that mic, and I didn’t realize it was so sensitive to plosives in that position until after I shot the video. I use a windscreen on it now that fixes the problem. :)
Could be a number of things, but phone speakers aren't going to be as high quality. Make sure your getting great recordings and your mix is well balanced. That's where I'd start!
or intentionally do everything in mono weee It might turn out better. The older I get, the less I like stereo. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Red Hot Chilli Peppers even demonstrate how good mono can sound.
Putting Tom two in the middle doesn’t feel good. Especially because As a drummer your Tom is on the right hand side of your right leg. And farthest away from your face
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And this song is ACTUALLy amazing!!! I really love tutorials like this- finally some folk/country style tutorials.
I actually got this song through an online class I took from the Recording Revolution by Graham Cochrane. Great teacher and great content to learn with!
Great lesson on mixing/ paning. Much appreciated.... cheers.
Hey thanks! Happy to help.
VERY clear presentation with real reasoning. A huge additional bonus was that KILLER track that you worked on. Who, where and how one can learn more about that band?
Thank you! The song is called How I Lost My Way by Eric Passmore. I believe I got the tracks in a mixing class I took a while back.
Very helpful explanations and demonstration, thank you.
So clear ! You are amazing
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The 'DRUMMER'S PERSPECTIVE'! That's the way it should be! I hate when engineers try to create an 'audience perspective' with drum panning. Thanks!
It's all about air drumming for me 😁
Problem with that is when the general public go see a band they don’t hear drums from a drummer’s perspective, so mixing from that perspective is actually incorrect.
If I'm mixing in studio, I usually use drummer's perspective. If I'm mixing live, I try to match what people hear to what they see.
Sorry pal, It ain’t about you, it’s about the song and the listener.
Nobody ever puts the low end of a keyboard to the right. It's always mixed from the player's perspective! @@garethde-witt6433
Great video! I've been trying to understand this, lol. How would you pan a violin in this mix? Subbed!
In this mix, it would depend on what role the violin was playing. Is it playing lead lines? Is it more behind the scenes? Are there multiple violins I can pan to both sides? Those kinds of questions... I'd experiment with it until I felt like it fit the rest of the mix.
Good video. You don't have that overly annoying persona that many mixing and mastering channels have where it's just really one long commercial for themselves, so I appriciate that 😁
I listened to a track like Avicii- Hey Brother so learn how they pan. It seems to me in that particular song, they guitar begins when it's solo panned to the mid with stereo imaging, and then when the other guitar starts it pans more to the left, while the second guitar is in the right, maybe 40-50% and obviously the bass and song is in the middle. THen the chords is superhard to make out because they are so low in volume, sounds like they maybe put extra reverb on the piano chords so they sound very far away, but are still there... maybe in the mid, super hard to make out for me anyway.
Then same with the main melody when it comes in, seems to be in the middle and effects automation panning from the side.
It's pretty interesting analyzing songs like this. Honestly it seems to me a lot of professional songs mix a lot in the middle? Im not sure how they manage to get so clear mixes while still having the sounds very centered, probably some illusion typ mixing of some kind, maybe that delay trick.
Well thank you 😆 And you’re right. It’s fascinating to listen to pro mixes and try to figure out how they made it sound like it does. One thing people often forget is that a mix doesn’t have to be static. Using automation, you can change the panning, volume, etc at any point in the song. This creates movement and space in the mix. As far as your comment about not knowing how they keep things so clear while still up the middle, you shouldn’t rely on panning for clarity. In many systems, your mix will be collapsed into mono, so if you rely on panning, your mix will fall apart. You want to create clarity with tools like EQ, compression, or plugins that affect depth and texture.
@@themixingprocess a lot good mixers, sometimes you hear the phrase "only remove frquences with EQ never add" and then when you actually see them mix and master they add a 6 DB + shelf to the high frequences 😂
It's more of a mindset than a rule... obviously, you want to use whatever is necessary to create the tone you're looking for, but more often than not, subtractive EQ will keep you out of trouble the most. High end is the most common "exception".
Good explanation, but first, could you show and explain how you treat your mono and stereo channels, pan law settings and pan mode for each of your instruments
The default pan law in Reaper is 0db, and I haven't really experimented with changing it. Pan mode default is stereo balance/mono pan, but on tracks with stereo instruments, I'll change it to dual pan. As far as how I treat my mono and stereo channels, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking... can you elaborate?
How does panning change if the musicians are set up in the round for live sound?
It's hard to say without knowing your specific setup, but I'll just say this: there's no right or wrong way to do it unless the method you choose prevents people in certain areas of the room from hearing a balanced mix or specific elements of the music. For example, if you pan an instrument hard left or right in a room where people don't have the whole stereo image, part of your audience is going to miss out on that instrument. It's really just a balancing act dependent on your room configuration and system setup.
Hola desde Argentina. Hiciste todo lo contrario a lo que dijiste en un comienzo. Terminaste dejando 3 instrumentos en el centro superponiendose, más los drums. Donde esta el contraste y la separación?
There’s always going to be some overlap. That’s ok. Panning is only one of the many tools we use to create separation and space. Once we’ve created a good balance with panning, we can also use EQ or compression to make things fit even more.
What is the actual song you're mixing please?
How I Lost My Way by Eric Passmore
How about doing something about the plosives every time you say “panning”
Sorry, it was my first day. :D
You probably already know this, but for anyone that doesn't, a pop filter will reduce plosives and sibilance when recording. They *can* be processed in post, but are *much* easier to eliminate at the source. 🙂 Back in my broke student days, I used pantyhose stretched over a wire coat hanger loop. XD
Thanks for the feedback. That was either the first or one of the first videos I made with that mic, and I didn’t realize it was so sensitive to plosives in that position until after I shot the video. I use a windscreen on it now that fixes the problem. :)
Sir please make a lesson , sounds worst on mobile phone why??
Could be a number of things, but phone speakers aren't going to be as high quality. Make sure your getting great recordings and your mix is well balanced. That's where I'd start!
or intentionally do everything in mono weee
It might turn out better. The older I get, the less I like stereo. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Red Hot Chilli Peppers even demonstrate how good mono can sound.
Pros and cons for sure, but you’re definitely right when you say that stereo is not required to make a good mix!
Putting Tom two in the middle doesn’t feel good. Especially because As a drummer your Tom is on the right hand side of your right leg. And farthest away from your face
The goal is to make it sound natural and balanced to the listener. Whatever you need to do to make that happen!
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