Abbey Line (Watford Junction to St. Albans Abbey) - DRIVERS EYE VIEW

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  • @gamingwithpros4047
    @gamingwithpros4047 Рік тому +3

    This isn't just your normal drivers eye view, it goes in depth with every station and gives you full information on its history.

  • @iman2341
    @iman2341 2 роки тому +32

    Awesome stuff, nice to see the 350s on the line but can’t help feeling this route would be much better off as part of a light rail system for Watford and St Albans.

    • @UKTransport232
      @UKTransport232 Рік тому +6

      I don't understand why they switched the 319 for a 350, considering how much they supposedly need them on the mainline

    • @GaryB007
      @GaryB007 Рік тому +1

      There have been various plans for it over the years, including a guided bus way, but I think the low passenger numbers stop most of them.

    • @mannydekhar-antipov9954
      @mannydekhar-antipov9954 Рік тому +2

      It is also suggested to convert it to a tramway and link it with the Croxley Green branch

    • @james123212
      @james123212 Рік тому +2

      @@UKTransport232 it was originally part of their franchise agreement that the abbey line would get "modern trains" changing to 350s was fulfilling that promise, also with the 319s being withdrawn they're really the only option as the 730s that LNR are getting are too long for the abbey line

    • @UKTransport232
      @UKTransport232 Рік тому +4

      @@james123212 oh right I didn't know that. I thought the 730 was also 4 cars?

  • @bertspeggly4428
    @bertspeggly4428 Рік тому

    Surprising that this line survived the Beeching Axe! Really nice little branch line.

  • @glenjarnold
    @glenjarnold Рік тому +6

    That fool in the silver Audi was pushing his luck a bit at 5.25 in the video!

  • @neilcrawford8303
    @neilcrawford8303 Рік тому +15

    Excellent cab ride, the additional footage from the platforms, crossing etc and the commentary really added to video.
    Branch lines off of a busy mainline still interest me. In no time at all you're away from the hustle and bustle of a busy mainline station and into another far removed world.

  • @peterflegg7596
    @peterflegg7596 Рік тому +5

    As a Watford born boy now living in Perth West Australia this bought back many memories although it's hardly recognisable as I left long before the line was electrified.

  • @robinbeckford
    @robinbeckford Рік тому

    Thanks for that bit of nostalgia.
    I was born in a hospital at Garston, and grew up living on Bushey Mill Lane.

  • @carrington2158
    @carrington2158 Рік тому +1

    I used to live in Bricket Wood the train was steam then, I used to go to school on the train to St. Albans happy days.

  • @jessehalper
    @jessehalper Рік тому

    As a treat my grandfather would take me on a return trip from Park Street to Watford while Gran cooked Sunday lunch. We had just enough time to sprint up the platform to buy a 6d bar of Nestle then rejoin the train for the return journey. I never tired of it.

  • @timholman7433
    @timholman7433 Рік тому +8

    Nicely detailed and informative, thank you. A minor detail you could have added: there used to be a single track running from the old Park Street station (roughly where How Wood is now) to Napsbury station on the main St Pancras Line (between St Albans City and Radlett). I believe its purpose was to convey goods only, and it was discontinued before the First World War. One of its embankments is outside my front door!

  • @cottonfoo
    @cottonfoo Рік тому +1

    Interesting video. I lived nearby as a young boy and we used to play along these tracks. Safely, of course :) I've walked most of it, and I once broke a leg alongside it in the Greycaine estate. One could gain access to abandoned factories on Sandown Road and Imperial Way from the track, or hang out on the bridge over Balmoral Road and hide in the bridge siding when we saw a train coming.
    My maths teacher once saw me coming down the embankment at Balmoral Road one weekend and told me off for being there :) Good times.
    That car going through Watford North when the barriers are already going down, not good!

  • @johngrantham8024
    @johngrantham8024 Рік тому +3

    I remember my friend and I using this line in 1965, to go exploring in St Albans park. We were 10 years old and were quite friendly with the signalman at our local station, North Watford. The train would arrive from Watford Junction and the signalman and driver would exchange a large, looped, 'token' to confirm the line was clear. I seem to remember station buildings at St Albans but it was somewhat tatty and was probably demolished.

  • @johnjephcote7636
    @johnjephcote7636 Рік тому +3

    I remember it with the passing loops and the gasworks sidings at St.Albans, the early 4-wheel AC Cars railbuses that replaced the Cl.4 tank engines and in 1964 (I think) a 4F took my special through to Hatfield on the GN branch.

  • @MrRichUK
    @MrRichUK 2 роки тому +10

    Very enjoyable video, Paul, and was a trip down memory Lane for me. I was born in Smallford and the line, barely half a mile away, would still have been carrying passengers. I remember there being a gas works at Abbey station. When walking to school in St. Albans my journey took me across the rails of the Hatfield branch at a pedestrian crossing among houses. Never did see a train.

  • @richardwoods5236
    @richardwoods5236 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you. Superb documentary 👍😃

  • @edwardwest5035
    @edwardwest5035 Рік тому +3

    Very good video, I could see that line from my home in Garston when I was a kid in the fifties. We would run down from Lea Farm School to sit in the trees opposite what is now Garston station to get covered in steam. I worked in the parcels office at Watford Junction in the sixties. The station is largely unrecognisable to me now. Regards Edward

    • @roypalfrey5694
      @roypalfrey5694 Рік тому

      And this time of year waiting for the nightly Rail Head Treatment Train to go to return from St.Albans before trying to sleep can be a bit of thing.
      Could be worse. One night before the use of 'Autoballsters', a Seacow hopper emptied its load onto the tracks a few yards away. I thought a truck had hit the house. Like when Buncrfield blew up. Noisy round here isn't it?

  • @andytaylor3276
    @andytaylor3276 6 місяців тому

    I used to live just off Bushey Mill Lane. As a child, I even used press the button to operate the level crossing (With permission from guard/driver!)

  • @ricktownend9144
    @ricktownend9144 Рік тому

    What a charming line! - and many thanks for all the interesting details

  • @benh2807
    @benh2807 Рік тому

    Very interesting, thtank you. I grew up in St Albans and used to ride down the Alban Way on the way back from my girlfriend's house. Amazing memories.

  • @daryl2K90
    @daryl2K90 2 роки тому +1

    Love to see my local branch line on here thank you for choosing this line

  • @andrewr2825
    @andrewr2825 Рік тому +4

    Excellent video Paul! This proves that a single track branch line in suburbia is interesting 👍🏻

  • @paulmark63
    @paulmark63 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you always look 👀 toward to
    Your videos Paul in Kent I learn so much thank you

  • @Sf_Mason
    @Sf_Mason Рік тому

    My dad's parents (my grandparents) lived in Bradshaw road in Watford, with their garden backing onto this line.
    Do remember hearing the trains trundle by the house and shake it some when i was there as a kid.

  • @parrotyee
    @parrotyee 6 місяців тому

    Probably the most memorable branch line originating from my childhood.
    It would be interesting if you could make a similar video on the Henley branch line.
    Great content

  • @paulhwbooth
    @paulhwbooth 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent cab ride and commentary. Thanks.

  • @cliffordison5004
    @cliffordison5004 Рік тому

    What a splendid video for which I must thank you. It brought back many memories too numerous to list having been a pupil at Parkgate Road Junior School in North Watford a stone's throw from the line. I started trainspotting in 1955 and spotted my very first engine number 41908 a Stanier 2P 0-4-4T at Watford North. I can also remember goods trains surviving on the Hatfield branch until the 1960s and locos from Hatfield (ex LNER 0-6-2Ts) and Watford ( BR Standard 2-6-4Ts and the occasional ex Midland 3F 0-6-0 tender engine) .
    The Salvation Army had their magazine or newspaper "The War Cry" printed in a works adjacent to the line and this was important business for the Hatfield to St.Albans Branch every week..
    Only discovered your channel today as laid up poorly but please keep up the good work. Well done!

  • @ericmorfitt8696
    @ericmorfitt8696 Рік тому

    Very good, really enjoyed that,congratulations.

  • @jorbharris8097
    @jorbharris8097 Рік тому

    So very informative! Thank you, most enjoyable.

  • @petercallomon9681
    @petercallomon9681 Рік тому

    I grew up nearby and went to school in Hatfield. I remember the traverse across the mailine to the cul de sac platform at Hatfield. Back in the 1950s steam engines with wooden boards on the front used to turn around at hatfield. Memories....

  • @colbrazier
    @colbrazier Рік тому +1

    Glad I've found this channel. The external clips add a nice touch to a well-produced video. Thanks.

  • @neiltaylor6645
    @neiltaylor6645 Рік тому

    Used to live in garston I lived 17 years next to the railway line it was my alarm clock to know when to get up

  • @leewilson2140
    @leewilson2140 Рік тому +1

    I remember the coal yard,between North Watford and Garston.Used to see a lot of wagons.The track is all grown over or built on!!

  • @D_4_N_
    @D_4_N_ Рік тому

    amazed you managed to find a day when this line was actually running :D

  • @markgr1nyer
    @markgr1nyer 2 роки тому +1

    I remember being a SC on 350 410 when it first came from First transpennine. CSR isn't used anymore. The only external comms system on the 350 is GSMR

  • @N330AA
    @N330AA Рік тому

    I used to take this now and again to my dad's house. Back when it was a NSE 313. Nice tranquil little line, shame services didn't continue to Euston

  • @SMILEVIDEOTRAINS
    @SMILEVIDEOTRAINS Рік тому

    A great surprise for me. Never did I imagine it would be so interesting. Great presentation. Thank you.

  • @gregkiteos1936
    @gregkiteos1936 Рік тому

    Very good video and nicely narrated too!

  • @GaryB007
    @GaryB007 Рік тому +1

    A very well made doc. I live in Park Street, near How Wood Station, and I've shared it on the local Facebook groups.

    • @smikejasper4461
      @smikejasper4461 Рік тому

      That's where I've just found it - this was lovely and informative. I live near the Abbey Station end and want to give a nod to the very much improved pedestrian crossing there - at last! 🙂

  • @Clivestravelandtrains
    @Clivestravelandtrains Рік тому

    I liked that, thanks. I recall that when I travelled on the line in the 1970s it was known as St Albans Abbey. You couldn't book a through ticket to anywhere changing at the two stations in St Albans though.
    And, they're called milk churns, not containers.

  • @jessehalper
    @jessehalper Рік тому

    My mother lived opposite the Hill End station during the war years . The air raid siren would signal German bombers trying to get to the nearby de Havilland factory. One bomber decided that the anti aircraft fire was too much and decided that the railway was a good alternative target. My mother heard the whistle of the descending bomb from under the table of 5 Hill End Lane. It was a direct hit but failed to detonate

  • @andrewnorth170
    @andrewnorth170 7 місяців тому

    I think you've said a genius line "The W is self explantory" ha ha

  • @davidw1518
    @davidw1518 10 місяців тому

    I watched this, not because I'm a railway nerd (I'm not!), but because I spent a good part of my life living in St Albans - even, for a couple of years, living just across the road from St Albans Abbey station. So I appreciated the intelligent, knowledgeable, clearly spoken commentary, explaining aspects of the line (signage, history, etc.) in non-technical terms that did not assume any specialist knowledge on the part of the viewer.
    There used to be what was then known as a nudist colony (a 'naturist centre' in present-day parlance?) at Bricket Wood - but I don't suppose the excursion trains were primarily serving that destination!
    The section on the St Albans - Hatfield line was also interesting, although you did fail to mention the Salvation Army's Campfield Press (now gone?) that was next to the bridge over Camp Road, on the corner of Campfield Road: I assumed the Salvation Army Halt was intended to serve the Press - I didn't know about the orchid growing, which perhaps had ended before I first lived there in the late 1950s?
    For a time my mum had an evening job working in the kitchen of Hill End Hospital; and I was at primary school with the daughter of the hospital chaplain. Thank you for bringing back the memories, and for such a well-prepared and very well-narrated video!

  • @MattyEngland
    @MattyEngland 2 роки тому +1

    Full chuff ahead, Captain.

  • @colinsrailways
    @colinsrailways 5 місяців тому

    I’ve yet to find anyone who has got up early to see the abbey flyer go through Garston, bricket wood , how wood and park street. The first train of the day goes non-stop from Watford North to St Albans about 10 to 6 in the morning Monday to Friday.

  • @mrunixman1579
    @mrunixman1579 Рік тому

    Great Video, I used to walk down Alban way to Industrial area quite a lot.

  • @billyshearer117
    @billyshearer117 Рік тому

    There’s a daily Euston to St Albans Abbey service too!

  • @MrRawMonkey
    @MrRawMonkey Рік тому

    As a 13 year old I used to buy a ticket from Watford Junction to Watford North at a cost of 2d. (12d to a shilling, 1 shilling =5p.
    There was a token exchange by the then signal box on the curve out of Watford Junction. At Watford North there was a siding before the level crossing. I always remember at least one, maybe 2, abandoned passenger carriages left there for what seemed like years.
    At Watford North I can still remember the crossing keepers hut and the wooden crossing gates. Just passed the crossing on the left there was a set of tracks that headed down to a coal yard by what is now Sainsbury.

  • @deltic1964
    @deltic1964 2 роки тому +1

    Great Video and info good to see it electrified

  • @kenjukes2845
    @kenjukes2845 Рік тому

    Very good - I used to work in the building right next to Abbey Station and would use the Alban Way to cycle into the office. Good memories!

  • @tram6214
    @tram6214 2 роки тому

    Great Cab ride of the Abbey line plus a documentary of a closed line as a bonus. Great as always .

  • @mattdandex
    @mattdandex 2 роки тому +5

    5:24 red light jumper

  • @geoffreymartin2764
    @geoffreymartin2764 11 місяців тому

    It is obvious that the Abbey Line is following the French method of station and line management. If the grass wants to grow there, let it. Mother Nature at her best. 🌲🌳🌿🏳‍🌈

  • @ChilternRailPhotography
    @ChilternRailPhotography Рік тому

    i just realised this video was uploaded on my birthday december 4th! :D

  • @tomhaskett5161
    @tomhaskett5161 Рік тому

    Thank you - a fascinating video!

  • @TheGateway37
    @TheGateway37 Рік тому

    Excellent information video.

  • @randomroveruk6715
    @randomroveruk6715 Рік тому

    Very informative and enjoyable video, Paul!

  • @ChangesOneTim
    @ChangesOneTim Рік тому

    Great vid again. Interesting re the "press plunger" arrangement for Watford North barriers. Where station dwell times are consistent (as here), the modern flavour is to start the crossing sequence after time on a track circuit in the platform i.e. a "wait for white light" stop board instead. Perhaps the kit isn't yet old enough to make it worth NR's while modifying it....😉

  • @UKHeritageRailways
    @UKHeritageRailways 2 роки тому

    Excellent and very interesting video. I like the informative narration.

  • @petercallomon9681
    @petercallomon9681 Рік тому

    There is an exhibition of the Hatfield part of the line with a model of the station at smallford and a good history of the line. Its on the LHS as you go out of the station next to what is now the defunct coffee shop.

  • @stephensmith1553
    @stephensmith1553 Рік тому

    Brilliant commentary thank you
    I do agree that the line could be put to better use as a light rail or Tram network to try and get cars off the road

  • @cal2196
    @cal2196 Рік тому

    That was a fantastic Watch! I would also like to Point out that the Bus Route 601 is named after the AlbanWay which runs from Borehamwood/St Albans to Hatfield & Welwyn Garden City every 30/60 mins via Smallford & deHavilland and somewhat follows the Old Railway line

  • @AnthonyFurnival
    @AnthonyFurnival Рік тому

    A very interesting, well edited, informative and engagingly narrated video! I enjoyed this a lot and have subscribed!

  • @freddienz
    @freddienz 2 роки тому

    Very Nice Paul. Thank you and cheers from New Zealand :)

  • @shaddersshadwell4941
    @shaddersshadwell4941 Рік тому

    Wonderful

  • @richardingrey3871
    @richardingrey3871 Рік тому

    do not forget the smallford station museum [ based in the smallford station building] we have put together the beginings of a collection related to the station and the line . the group hold meetings ,attend local events and have links to the community around us; including the local 'oaklands collage' and also do not forget the st;albans south signal box preservation group who hold open regular days . both groups are all ways open to visitors on our open days and also to new members even if you live further afield now.

  • @geertmarien9076
    @geertmarien9076 Рік тому

    Well done!

  • @hamshackleton
    @hamshackleton 2 роки тому +1

    Interesting mix of bits of track, jointed and continuous welded, didn't the budget allow to finish the job? Quite a lot of mains noise pick-up on the in-cab shots.

  • @simontaylor2319
    @simontaylor2319 Рік тому

    Went on this line in the early 80s (pre electrification) to collect my new car

  • @likklej8
    @likklej8 Рік тому

    Bring back the Fowler 2-6-2s and 2-6-4s on the Abbey!

  • @gerrydolan3532
    @gerrydolan3532 Рік тому

    A lovely well paced film that is a delight to watch, and the additional information about the Alban Way was a great bonus. Using the line on a regular basis it is frustratingly unreliable for various reasons including broken down trains which are hardly more reliable than their Thameslink predecessor. Sadly the 321 bus is increasingly the preferred route for me despite living so close to the Abbey Line.

    • @LemoncloudGT
      @LemoncloudGT Рік тому

      maybe because the abbey line used to have the unreliable 319s but looks like finally upgraded to the far more reliable 350s

  • @simonsv9449
    @simonsv9449 Рік тому

    Due to the fact that the Class 730’s are going to replace the Class 350’s, it may be possible that they will operate services on the line in the future.

  • @timbleybimbley
    @timbleybimbley 10 місяців тому

    Was electrified in 1989 not 85. I used it all that time from garston to Watford

  • @roypalfrey5694
    @roypalfrey5694 8 місяців тому

    Any chance of a cab ride onntge early morning ( 05:51 ) train that runs non-stop from Watford North to St Albans Abbey?
    In the spring or summer of course, when the sun is up at that time.

  • @SiVlog1989
    @SiVlog1989 2 роки тому +1

    Judging by the bridges, the line would have had provision for double track all the way

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 2 роки тому

    Never knew that a London Northwestern Railway Class 350 EMU can operate on the single branch line between Watford Junction-St. Albans Abbey.

  • @peterjones3557
    @peterjones3557 Рік тому

    Very interesting and well put together video. My old stamping ground of 70+ years ago. Any stats on the passenger numbers?

  • @Cpr1234
    @Cpr1234 Рік тому

    Didn't know they started putting 350's on the St Albans branch

  • @lewiss626
    @lewiss626 Рік тому

    I do feel the 350 is abit over kill for this branch. Seems like something a DMU would work

  • @angus504
    @angus504 Рік тому

    Some evening Southern services run to Hemel Hempstead.

  • @RichardFelstead1949
    @RichardFelstead1949 2 роки тому +4

    Fantastic video, Paul.Judging by the bridges, was this branch ever going to be double track? Greetings from Australia.

    • @GaryB007
      @GaryB007 Рік тому

      There used to be a passing loop at Bricket Wood, but it was removed many years ago. There have been several proposals to reinstate it, but, but the passenger numbers don't really justify it.

    • @ChangesOneTim
      @ChangesOneTim Рік тому

      There are examples elsewhere of earthworks (incl overbridges and tunnels) built for double track from new but never were. Well known to me is the Falmouth branch, which only ever had passing loops. Usually it was the promoter future-proofing for greater things: LNWR had intended this to be a Watford-St Albans-Luton-Dunstable 'main line', while the Cornwall Railway had planned for expansion as there was serious talk of Falmouth as an ocean liner port.

  • @chrisbutton486
    @chrisbutton486 Рік тому

    My digestion is that it' should be a tram network to link to other stations in st alban from Watford junction Chris button

  • @davejolaurencharlie
    @davejolaurencharlie 2 роки тому

    Nice work, must've taken you days to get all the footage.

  • @mathsweb3370
    @mathsweb3370 Рік тому

    Sorry for not being clear in my earlier comment. I was talking about the disused Alban Way railway, not the extant St Albans to Watford line. Apologies.

  • @johnhagen31
    @johnhagen31 Рік тому

    That awfully loud hum would drive me mad!

  • @SAMSONALEXANDERR
    @SAMSONALEXANDERR Рік тому +1

    That’s me on the bike in bricket wood!

  • @MichaelBeeny
    @MichaelBeeny 7 місяців тому

    Why is part of the line continuers track and the rest jointed? Why not all the same?

  • @ajfrostx
    @ajfrostx 2 роки тому

    Fantastic video as always!
    Was it 1924 when Abbey was added to the name of the terminus? The audio cuts off for me for a split second for some reason.

  • @richardananedickinson4812
    @richardananedickinson4812 Рік тому

    I was a Stonebridge park driver in the 1970s one of our terns of duty was a driver and guard job it was a class 25 diesel we used we would go light engine from Stonebridge park at 12 45am to Watford goods yard collect our train that had been marshaled during the day leaving Watford about 2.00am for St Albans and very cloudy dark nights it was like driving with a bag over your head and when you went over the rail joint it sounded like it was it was a case of flying by the seat of your pants it was very disorientating because non of the station or platform lights were on and with a speed of just 25 mph I was always expecting to a cropper because you could feel the tracks moving I was always glad to get back to where we would leave the loco for the day men and we would travel back to Stonebridge park on the DC hope anybody that reads this finds it interesting How thing's have changed since those days

    • @Rogsie-p6l
      @Rogsie-p6l Рік тому

      I did part of my DMU handling training on that branch half a lifetime ago.

  • @Rickenbackerglory
    @Rickenbackerglory Рік тому

    One error I noticed. The Lemsford Road platform is still there but partially buried.

  • @jimmyhillschin9987
    @jimmyhillschin9987 2 роки тому

    A nice line, nice video. However it has me wondering why they haven't connected it up to the MML. Seems like a no-brainer, but maybe there are difficulties I'm not aware of.

    • @izzieb
      @izzieb Рік тому

      Ignoring the amount of buildings in the way, there are quite a few substantial elevation changes in the area. St Albans Abbey is 84m above sea level, while St Albans City is 104m.

  • @paulbateman3922
    @paulbateman3922 3 місяці тому

    No trace of Lemsford Road Halt? Go up the stairs and on about 10 yards - Voila - remains of platform!

  • @Sebi1963
    @Sebi1963 9 місяців тому

    just out of curiosity, who operated this line under British rail, regional railways or network southeast?

  • @Tez_Thorn1405
    @Tez_Thorn1405 Рік тому

    That 350 sounds like it has a flat spot on its wheels

  • @mathsweb3370
    @mathsweb3370 Рік тому

    Thank you for the interesting video.
    May I correct a couple of errors? First, the double crossing gates serve the purpose of trying to prevent idiots on foot, and idiots on bikes, from rushing across the road, where there is a blind bend on both sides. (I often cycle there, and I used to walk there. This is not an anti-cyclist comment. It is an anti-idiot comment.)
    Secondly, at Lemsford Road, you say there is no sign of a stop. In fact, the platform still exists, decayed and hidden by plants, but it is still there.

  • @harryelliott4310
    @harryelliott4310 2 роки тому +1

    London Northwestern Railway Class 350

  • @captainh3805
    @captainh3805 2 роки тому

    I could hear Sing For The Year by Aerosmith in the background

  • @peterjones3557
    @peterjones3557 Рік тому

    The 'W' is self explanatory? Maybe it should now be 'H' for horn

  • @ZackMurray12
    @ZackMurray12 Рік тому

    Do class 319 s operate on the abbey line?

  • @jethrooffemaria1990
    @jethrooffemaria1990 Рік тому

    I've been there before.

  • @JacobsTrainVideos
    @JacobsTrainVideos Рік тому

    Very quirky line