@@paulineprice9534Bankruptcy is imminent for very large corporations like VAG. How, I hear you ask. Costs are up because they’ve been investing heavily in EV manufacturing kit. They’ve made loads of EVs that aren’t selling. They’ve also made far more petrol and diesel cars that they’re effectively prohibited from selling. Costs €45B, usual sales €50B. Happiness. Costs €45B+, sales €40B and trend is for worsening rapidly. Misery. Cannot escape because the public don’t want the EVs, and if they do, there’s enormous supply at half VAG prices. They could sell the ICE cars because the public wants them. But the huge per car fines in U.K. means that they’ll lose money on every sale. I see no path for recovery.
@bluestreak2701 "People are not stupid they know what's going on"... oh yeah? There's plenty out there, trust me. And if not stupid the at least myopic like Barrie.
Holding back ICE sales until 2025 means EV sales in 2025 will be even worse than 2024. Something has to change and I reckon the Government position will be the one to fold.
Labour crashing the motor trade. This will hit the economy hard especially all the linked businesses,canteen staff, cleaners .show room landlords, auxiliary manufacturers etc. millions of people.
In 2016 we sold 3 million combustion cars. It had already decreased by 50% to 2 million before the (Tory) plan for the ZEV mandate. Seems like a decreasing trend anyway as cars have become more expensive we've bought less and made them last longer
pre register has been a long term thing, I worked around the Honda factory in Swindon, after 3 months employment you could either take a pay rise or have a free brand new car for 3 months and then another one for 3 months. Those 3 month old ones went into dealers as ex demo (not thrashed to f by an employee). You went into a Honda showroom "I want a Honda" we have a 6 week wait on your car OR our ex demo 3 months old at $quids in discount drive away today, and that's how they shifted units.
This afternoon I went into my local dealers to get some parts for my vehicle which is 5 years old .... Dealer salesperson approached me and asked if I wanted to part ex mine for a new EV... I laughed and said no chance .. he was offering 6k off and was offering me top money on mine .. and got pissed when I said no chance
Barrie. Not only could this kill the car industry, it could tank the economy. I don’t think it’s EVs that are the problem. It’s the stupid, naive ZEV mandate. They should leave it to market forces. Can I request you do a video on the impact on the commercial market. I’m really worried about the knock-on impacts on the economy from forcing industry into using EV vans, particularly the 3.5T market, where EVs simply aren’t up to the job and are way too expensive
We have been testing some 3.5T vans. The diesel vans were using about £70-£75 of diesel a week. The EV vans which have to be charged in a supermarket (there was no capacity for fitting chargers at the depot) are costing £300 a week plus 10 hours of overtime for someone to sit there and wait every day.
That’s frightening. I guess if they could be charged on site, the costs would be significantly reduced. For short distance, multi drop use, they might work. But my biggest issue is their range when put to serious use e.g. fully loaded or towing a trailer or long distance National deliveries. Then electric is a non-starter. I use a 3.5T converted Sprinter as a recovery truck. There is no 3.5T EV van or chassis cab that could theoretically be used for this function. The extra weight of the battery alone would negate its ability to carry any car bigger than a classic mini. And fully loaded to 3.5T, I’ll bet my house you wouldn’t get 100 miles out of it on the motorway. This is just one use case, but think of all the other 3.5T vehicles that wouldn’t work: Luton vans, refrigerated vans, RAC vans stuffed with gear, minibuses, motorway maintenance trucks, the list goes on. What’s business supposed to do? And don’t get me started on the price. £75k for an electric Sprinter!
@@peterhowson-pf5vo I'm no expert, but reading posts like yours make me even more depressed - and ANgry - about what Net Zero is doing to this country (and others). China is laughing its head off at the stupid, compliant western leaders. Didn't that PoS Milliband get asked 9 months ago if HE had an EV, and he said "not yet". Time to ask the little pip-squeak if he has one now...or can't you charge it in North London ??
My local dealer told me in October basically he cant sell a new ICE car until January 2025 (due to ZEV mandate) and no-one wants the EV options so he will be sitting in the showroom for 3 months with basically nothing to sell. And people wonder why the automotive industry is on the verge of complete collapse .........Come January EV sales will of course fall off a cliff - again! Every EV they do sell they lose a fortune on - it's a lose - lose situation for manufacturers and dealers etc.
Same thing happened to my other half, ordered a brand new Kia Picanto was told by dealer that car would be in showroom on 10th December, got a call last week from dealership to say car had arrived in Uk but there is a backlog etc etc and car won't be at dealership until 10th January 2025. I think the car makers need to sort this out and stop pissing about and tell the government that thier mandate does not work or they will not last long in 2025.
A "backlog" lol. I'd love to see the whole list of excuses these spineless dealers are dishing out to customers whilst they purposely hold back their new ICE car until January. Have you ever seen such a ridiculous charade in all your life?
I know in the states a large group of vehicles makers wrote an open letter to the government telling them it wasn't working and would cost jobs,probably make bugger all difference but why don't all the manufacturers demand a urgent meeting with the government and tell them clearly,this madness will destroy the industry in the UK or is it the case the government couldn't give a rats arse I do wonder.
@@Lewis_Standing sometimes you have to look at those 89 so called cars on the forecourts, when you dig into those adverts you will actually see that the car is only for show to get you to order the car as the dealer actually does not have the car is stock to sell, hence you have to order it.
@@countottovanshanoo822 I would look further into why if I was you, Norway's EV market has grown rapidly due to a number of factors, including: Government support The Norwegian government offers incentives for EVs, such as free parking and exemption from city tolls. Charging infrastructure There are many free charging stations in Norwegian cities and towns, including 2,000 in Oslo alone. Wealth Norway is one of the world's wealthiest countries, which can help with the higher upfront cost of EVs. Norwegian ferries have banned EVs on their ships due to fire risks.
It’s going to push up the prices of late model Petrol and Diesel cars in the second hand market. Because people will get tired of waiting for the new Petrol or Diesel vehicles and look for a good alternative. The only EV worth buying in the UK market at the moment is a tiny little Citroen as it’s perfect for running around in town doing errands! I’m so glad to have returned to a Decent new Diesel powered Truck as no one else is paying for my time to look for and wait to be recharged. The future is NOT electric vehicles, but instead something else that we have not seen yet.
Yes, but unfortunately the MOT test criteria is becoming increasingly stringent and pedantic, in order to force people with older ICE vehicles to scrap their perfectly good cars! I have a 2011 Qahqai 15dci. It has been pampered from new by its 2 wealthy lady owners before me. No pets/kids/smoking/damage and a FULL Service history, and has 112k carefully driven miles. Last mot, the were suddenly multiple advisory items - NONE were fails, but enough to scare a lot of owners into scrapping it! Examples - rear spring corroded, offside and near side (springs actually replaced last year), Brake discs worn but not affecting braking efficiency (new discs and pads at 105k). product on headlights reducing effectiveness (just needed a cut and polish), exhaust system corrosion (like every exhaust ever). Had I decided to replace springs, brakes, lights and exhaust, the bill would have been over £1000!!!! This is how the ICE cars will be forced off the roads!
@ no not fairy dust, but there’s a lot of work going on in the motor industry at the moment. The future in New Zealand for big trucks is Hydrogen ICE powered, because we are one of the few countries with a natural supply of hydrogen gas from the ground. Hydrogen ICE powered trucks also are more economic is the present trucks on the road can be re-repaired with new engines allowing them to be used for the next 20+ years very easily. We would have a good network of hydrogen refill centres across New Zealand and at the moment they feel they only need to add a couple more to give trucks the ability to drive money into the country to the other. There’s not enough copper in the world for EVs to be the future and the damage done to source a number of minerals are damaging major countries in South America and other parts of the world. Extremely high efficient ICE running on a hybrid mix of fossil fuel and bio feel isn’t looking extremely positive. EVs are only a stop gap at the moment and just going forward a small amount of the fuel vehicle powered fleet.
@@GaryParker-o4e I did say late model vehicles and not early model vehicles. It sounds like you should’ve changed the government to someone with sense as it’s just gonna bankrupt the UK
I saw Robert on fully charged say combustion car sales are slowing and EVs are up !!! I commented that this was rubbish and got grief off the usual nerds. There’s just no reasoning with these nutters.
@@Lewis_Standing suppose that's got nothing to do with the unfair huge rises in road tax for new ICE vehicles. Suppose you think it's a random coincidence yes? 🤦🏻🙄
Brig lad 40 years in motor trade, Back in 2015 I had a holiday in Rome and saw a Tesla for the first time, I was impressed, we saw them little electric truck things in Portugal, we smiled, I saw a Leaf taxi here drag racing a fancy audi and liked it. When people decided for themselves it never bothered me. They have their place but let the market decide, government legislation is the only thing making them sell. You remember how many factories closed in Preston in the 80's and the government told us it was "Market forces". When THEY want something to happen "Market forces" go out the window.
I walk by a large new car dealership regularly and the EVs that have been sitting unmoved without number plates for the last year suddenly have 2024 plates on them. You are correct these are not sales to the public and these cars will have to be given away at huge losses sometime in the next few months so destroying the market for EVs.
I just took a look again on the UKs most widely used auto sales app and surprise surprise- there are many models off EV at literally 40% discount in many cases. Nissan, MG and Citroen to name a few. There was never a time in history that any ICE car was discounted that heavily in order to get it shifted. Manufacturers must be losing money on each electric car they are currently selling. At this rate most manufacturers will be filing for bankruptcy before they even get to 2030
I'd like to bring in a quote: When the Romanian leftist writer Panait Istrati visited the Soviet Union in the 1930s, the time of the big purges and show trials, a Soviet apologist trying to convince him of the need for violence against enemies of the state evoked the proverb, “You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.” To which Istrati tersely replied: “All right. I can see the broken eggs. Where’s this omelet of yours?” Might as well ask Scholz, Macron, Starmer and the others where the omelet is.
For that matter, the scrubland I drive past in Derby is brim Full of unsold cars of all types, and makes. Cost of a new car is now just ludicrous. If you want something decent - a family car - £38k is the starting point. People just won't do it - especaily with job insecurity, after just 6 months of this Socialist Government.
We love visiting the UK every year, but it's getting harder to find a car to rent with an engine in it, there are so many places we'd love to spend time, but not charging stations- we can already waste time in boring places in a normal car if we want to do that- that's going to be a deal breaker.
@@Lewis_Standing That's interesting I guess the UK is worse than other places for choice- but I called several places before i could find a renter that could guarantee a car with an engine, and we walked past dozens of EVs to the last couple of normal cars available. Hertz are getting rid of most of their EV fleet now so hopefully that will improve.
@@SteveLomas-k6knews articles give me varying figures so I don't know what's true but apparently only 25% of Hertz cars were ever EVs. Makes it unlikely you had to walk past several or struggle to get a combustion car. Seems odd.
@@Lewis_Standing That could be accurate, 25% is way too many when zero % of people want to rent one. I think the lockdowns had a lot to do with it, they had to sell a lot of all cars when people were not allowed to travel. 2 years ago Hertz had a box you could check online to reserve gas/diesel only. We walked to the end of a line of dozens of (mostly Polestar) battery operated cars, to pick up one of three remaining normal cars. This year that box disappeared and none of the airport renters could assure us an engine, so we had to rent outside the airport - it was still a hybrid which was a bit of a pain but at least we could travel the country feely. If that option disappears we just won't go, I'm not interested in touring charging stations..
@@SteveLomas-k6k If they had EV charging at the rental sites it would be very convenient. Polestar 2 is quite a good looking car and I wouldn't mind trying it. Sadly the OG version has a transmission tunnel in it ruining the leg room. New version is lovely. People are afraid of change. Personally I rented a BMW X1 in Greece one year after being in an EV for 3 years. It was dreadful. Manual gearbox that was terrible. I used to like manuals too. I couldn't go back now honestly.
All they are doing is kicking the can down the road a wee bit. How can they sell ANY EVs at the start of next year when they have fields of pre-registered vehicles already depreciating? Next years target will be even more impossible to meet! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
The delay is because if they don't sell the correct amount of EV's as an overall percentage they are FINED £15K PER ICE vehicle sold over the quota! Vauxhall in Luton is closing soon... with a loss of 1100 jobs because they can't sell EV vans and can't afford the tax bill of £15K per car!!
I’m collecting a new ICE car this weekend. Nothing special but I’ve waited 7 months. Why? Because the 1.5 engine is popular and there’s a backlog of orders. If I wanted the BEV version, there’s loads in the showrooms.
I have got the latest mics, they cost a heck of a lot more than £75, but you could meet me half way go into setting switch on “stable sound” because it sounds perfect on all my equipment
You're missing the point Barrie. Try listening on a different device, without being signed in. All the settings you use are customized on your devices and are not standard settings.
@ the sound is showing perfectly in Final Cut Pro my editing software, I’ve used my colleagues sign in and his windows computer and I can’t find a problem, although a few people have complained hundreds of thousands of others haven’t,
I see a stable volume in setting - disabled on my mobile. For sure your audio is in a stable condition - buried under hay and muffled! Like it was recorded via laptop in another room.
what makes me smile is the owners who missed the memo are now shouting there cars are cheaper to run, nope their milkfloat cost maybe £10.000 more to buy...so even if they did cost less to run the upfront cost outweighs any saving....let them all see just how mad this is...petrol and diesels will be around well after i am kicking up daises..buyer beware...thanks Barry for your videos to highlight the truth
Bankruptcy is imminent for very large corporations like VAG. How, I hear you ask. Costs are up because they’ve been investing heavily in EV manufacturing kit. They’ve also made loads of EVs that aren’t selling. They’ve also made far more petrol and diesel cars that they’re effectively prohibited from selling. They’ve run out of yards and airports to park unsold vehicles. Costs €45B, usual sales €50B. Happiness. Costs €45B+, sales €40B and trend is for worsening rapidly. Misery. Cannot escape because the public don’t want the EVs, and if they do, there’s enormous supply at half VAG prices. They could sell the ICE cars because the public wants them. But the huge per car fines in U.K. means that they’ll lose money on every sale. I see no path for recovery.
Thanks for bringing this up Barrie the car market is in a bad way I’ve got to change my 2 cars and I keep putting it off as it’s the worse I’ve ever known it
you’re talking out your hat. All that crap is best case. But we live in reality. 600km range actually means 500km as we all know you can only get around 80% of what the manufacturer says. Then you’re only supposed to regularly charge to 80% so now it’s 400km. Oh, and it’s the middle of winter, so take 10% off the battery performance. Oh, and I should mention, the EV I need is a van. And I need a van because I need to haul stuff and it’s heavy. And I need to drive up and down the motorway network at motorway speeds as time is money. Now I’m down to a range of 200km, if I’m lucky. And I can’t charge at home either. So, technically brilliant or not, EVs don’t fit me right now. When they do, I’m all in
They will be trying to avoid the non ev sales fines this year and next year it is probably hoped that the govt will scale back the targets due to the struggling car makers, closure of factories etc
Thanks for keeping up with telling us the truth Barrie... I own a petrol Abarth 595, had it for 4 years and still love it, i could with the driving i do realistically own an EV, but still prefer a petrol engine, i can get a brand new (pre registered 74 plate) Abarth 500e for under 27k, new price is over 38k BUT with this discounting from new what`s it going to be worth in a few years is my main worry...
Fiat and abarth are just taking the Mick. There's only £3000 of batteries in the 500e and they are trying to charge £12,000 more for it than the Petrol version. Hint: the rrp is just them trying it on
It's going to take a massive hit ,no one with any sense is going to buy an E V say five years old , as the battery will be partially depleted and you will be looking at replacing it in a few years time at a cost of over 20 grand for some makes . More than the car will be worth so you will probably be looking at scraping it or pay the 20 odd grand
@@StuartPearson-mj7uzmyth. I've done 52500 miles in mine and the OBD dongle I bought reads that the battery is at 97% capacity. The battery will outlast the chassis. Perhaps Barrie doesn't know that much about EVs and is misleading you?
It sounds like you enjoy the Arbarth. Most people enjoy this car for its ability to deliver fun at a very reasonable price. Why in the world would you want to get an electric Abarth ? It would be like the car you have now but with its heart and soul removed.
Thank you Barrie, my Dad was a secondhand car salesman but he only bought cars worth selling. I went in for tea at six as we all had to one day and said "Dad you've got eight cars out there!" He could sell sand to the Arabs as they say (We do actually sell sand to the Arabs) I doubt he would want to sell EV's.
EVs barely use any energy on heating. My heat pump might use 1000 watts. The battery could supply that for literally 64 hours. It's not a legit concern.
Wife's friend came back from rural North Wales in January in a Nissan EV - nowhere to charge the car at the relatives they were visiting, so they set off at 2pm to drive 150 miles home, dark at 4.....nowhere to charge....the Battery metre was dropping, so they drove at 40 and had to turn off the heating to get home without having to call the AA !! Of course, the EV lovers would say that they should have planned ahead ....no need if you have an ICE car. China laughing its head off.
my boss got a bmw ix company car. I asked her eabout it. She loves it. Range in summer up to 300 miles. Range in winter 180. Driving home for christmas on busy roads at low temps wont be worry free. Lifes to short. Top up your ICE to 600miles range and turn up the heater, no worries.
If only people would work out the real world range of EVs!Not recommended to charge over 80%, not recommended to go lower than 20%! So that leaves just 60%. So in summer, battery capacity times 60% times miles per KW equals range. In winter half that range! So just 30% of what they advertise as the range of the vehicle. Rubbish isn't it!
I was effectively bribed/punished by the govt to have one for 6 months due to my previous 2019 company car BIK tax going up to £480 p/month out of my pay on a solid GLC220d vs £30 a month on a BMWi4 - that's a no brainer so I went EV in 2023 I spent 6 months covering all the UK in the BMW taking hours to plan journeys with fast chargers & hours lost charging too vs what I was used to just filling up. Would I have had one otherwise - No way & I don't believe in any way I was 'saving the environment'. Nice enough car to drive, but the charging infrastruture is still not there and it was a ball ache to find fast chargers. That's my experience & I bet hardly any of those making these ludicrous decisions drive further than 50 miles if at all. They will crucify the car industry with their ideological madness.
I can't think of any level of discount that manufacturers & dealers could realistically offer that would induce me to buy a battery EV. My 10 year old Ford C-Max (bought earlier this year) cost me £5000. Would swap it for a ultra low milage 1 year old EV if someone offered me such a deal? No - not if I had to keep it, run it, and be financially responsible for its upkeep myself. Strip me of my freedom of choice, & tax me out of my ICE car. I still don't want to buy & own a battery EV.
Sounds like I am hearing separate audio recordings from both of your cameras mixed together. Sounds horrible and echo. Please, next time, disable one of the audio sources.
Thats a couple milliseconds slap back. I suspect 10 ms or so. I suspect there are hard walls and a small room. If not he’s wearing a lavallier and there are both camera and lavallier mixed together. Hence the delay.
Barrie has always had problems with sound on UA-cam... Barrie, you need to listen back to your vids to check the audio quality before you publish. And don't do it from your account, do it from a private window/tab so you get a third party view point (without cookies).
According to data from another you tuber, BEV sales will fall short of the 22% target and this to put into figures is 65,000 BEVs costing car manufacturers nearly £1 Billion in fines to the UK government!
I've ordered a new Civic Type R, which is definitely being held somewhere. It's not being built because all UK cars are in the UK or at least ready to send.
Gotta wonder, if mandate does not vary, ice cars will not be delivered after September/October 2025 but held over to 2026. Alternately private buyers will purchase 3 ice and one ev at once. They can then sell the petrol cars for a premium and give away the ev.
Barrie the NG 5 was first sold in November 2020 the pads are shown at the 3 year point or first MOT so it should be easy to see the brake faults of this car. Service records and disc images could further validate the remarkable pad wear. An MG 5 with over 100,000 miles is a rare vehicle. If you take a genuine second hand range of MG5 cars for sale with mileage between 5000 and 150,000 then there are 161 cars for sale of which 2 have exceeded 100,000 miles. With the current passion for working from home exceeding 92 miles a day on a 365 day basis or 120miles a day based on a 5 day working pattern is less likely but not impossible. The current state of Uk roads and average driving speeds I estimate that the driver of a 3 year old mg 5 would be spending 3 to 4 hours every working day on the road allowing for lunch and breaks this would leave our driver 2 hours a day to conduct business in a 37 hour week. It seems like a very 1980s way of conducting business. That said a territory for a sales person doing more than 30,000 miles a year would be quite large and in winter months may require roadside charging so we must applaud anyone who is putting 30,000 miles a year in an MG5 and never braking. Most EVs on the motorway pootle along at 55 to 60miles an hour due to the inefficiency of their electric motors at constant speed so I’m not surprised the pads haven’t been used but seized discs and corrosion are definitely possible due to lack of use. But the pad is remarkably clean and in good condition for a 3 year old item exposed to British roads.
I am in dealership showrooms auditing 4 days weekly and have no recollection of witnessing anyone collecting a new EV. It’s always an ICE vehicle in the handover bay or a hybrid.
Simple solution, NIO battery swap is the winning business model in the EV industry. For petrol station read battery swap station, no range anxiety, no battery degradation anxiety, higher resale value.
Government is finding that pushing around car companies, with regulations changed at the stroke of a pen, is the easy bit. The hard bit is long term investment in physical engineering, to build the recharging / battery swap infrastructure.
Barrie have a look on BCA there’s a byd on there 2 months old 2000 miles booking at 20 k cost new 39 k It would be cheaper to travel by taxi. Keep spreading the truth well done mate
I like an EV, they are quiet and responsive and I don’t do many miles these days. Thank the lord because the roads are shocking and driving standards have dropped. However, I looked at Mercedes recently at the EQE, having spent an hour in one and thought it was great, £7,000 off and 0% APR on a PCP. If people wanted them they wouldn’t need to deals like that.
It’s definitely a buyers market we have ice and ev and looking to change the ev. I think 2025 will be a pivotal point with the ev market every time we research,new models mainly Chinese are being launched. Battery packs have dropped in price to manufacture by 50% and solid state on the horizon. We had about two choices 7 years ago.😅
Barrie may I ask have you ever mentioned or compared EVs when it comes to towing anything ? As from any video I’ve seen with EVs towing they seem absolutely useless in terms of range it’s laughable. Goodbye caravan holidays,towing another vehicle and so on if we all had electric vehicles we would need a hgv licence if that was the only thing left on the road that was allowed to use fossil fuels for example
Used car sales people are doing very well. But they're only selling brum-brum cars. New car dealers are struggling no matter what type of car they sell. At BCA and others no-one wants to touch used EVs either.
You think its bad for the trade now Barrie, Just wait until Jan when the franchised dealers are put under pressure to unload all the 2024 year end pre-registered EVs whilst still trying to flog their Jan quota. How long do you think it will be before the franchised dealer networks are heavily 'rationalised' to make way for manufacturer direct sales?
What was Toyota's model that had the most interest and pre-orders in 2024 - the new £70k LandCruiser (Diesel)! Its more than a car, its an heirloom my mate said who picked his up last week..... will outlast maybe 3-4 EV's over its lifetime and considering the vast % of environmental damage is done when making a car then its perversely the greener option :)
If they need to strangle the supply of ice vehicles to manipulate the figures then that tells you a lot,market forces should deictate sales not denying folk thechoice to hit targets,if they are that good they should sell themselves,but sadly thats not the case let cosumers have the choices.
Why would EV sales go up ? they are not really fit for any purpose and compared to an ice vehicle they are utter rubbish., and the driving experiance is crap.
@clivelockwood BEV registrations for November are 58% up. Sales are up too (show me a picture of a field full of EV's in the UK from this year if you can). EVs are everywhere you look. Charge points are being installed at record rates. EVs are better than ICE in some ways, worse in others. They are not the same. 95% of EV owners would never go back to ICE. Btw that's a stat that has been verified by many independent studies. The writing is on the wall for combustion engine vehicles and their producers. Everything changes.
Strange thing about "disruptive technology"....it disrupts the way "traditional" businesses are done. Those that do not, cannot, will not, refuses to, change....gets destroyed and disappears!!! That's what happened to Kodak and Nokia. A strange phenomenon is occurring at this time; All the denials and how bad EVs are, is coming from a certain place...mainly nations with legacy auto manufacturers. Whilst sales trends in the rest of the globe is sky rocketing...88% of the global population cannot be wrong. Nor can the 12% always be correct!!!
Your example is flawed. Kodak and Nokia created technology that could do everything the older technologies could do, and better. EVs are only better in certain use cases. If you’re in the sweet spot, great i.e. charge at home, commute within your range. For many use cases, they simply are not up to the job. For instance, can’t charge at home, long distance commuting, commercial driving (particularly when heavily laden), towing a trailer or caravan. Until these issues are ironed out, there shouldn’t be a blanket mandate imo
@peterhowson-pf5vo You know, what!! You are so closed in your bubble, technology have leaped over you!! Did you know EVs, today have 600 to 1000 KM range. Hybrids on one tank and full charge can reach 2000 KM range!! Charging are now between 30 mins to 15 mins....80% to 100% charge. Newer chargers are coming with sub 7mins 80% charging. So until you stop listening to all the faulty experts and do your own research....you might just break out of your bubble.
@eastern... It's not disruptive tech at all. Ask yourself, why didn't gov simply allow a free market, like with LPG power. What is disruptive is the mandate. Without it the market would very different.
@fredfred2363 It is disruptive tech by every measure. It is new tech...for automotive. It disrupts the legacy automotive and provides alternative to transportation. You could start something with LPG. But unfortunately that never got off the ground!!!
I can't wait for plan C: For as long as the EV mandate is 50% or less, produce something cheap & crappy for 1/2 the price of an Ami, lead-acid batteries, 20 miles range but CHEAP. Then buy our milk-float, get an actual ICE car free! (If I lived in Wales with their 20mph limit, and had somewhere I cold charge at home I'd be tempted to buy an ACTUAL milk float for local use)
EV’s will never suit everyone but they certainly suit some. High initial prices have been a restriction for many, inconvenient charging, expensive charging, insurance costs, battery replacement costs and depreciation are just some of the issues people are facing with EV’s. Personally we are a 2 car family, one is an ICE car (diesel) and the other is a 3 year old EV both garaged and the EV is always charged at home. The EV has quickly become the vehicle of choice for 90% of our driving needs, it’s been cheap to run, reliable, cheap to service and the insurance while higher than the diesel it’s not significant. Battery degradation is minimal and at this stage we have 3.5 years of warranty remaining so we intend keeping the car but at some stage we will need to confront the depreciation issue. EV’s sales mean less ICE car sales which will impact their pricing and running costs as lower volumes increases costs.
People swapped from petrol to diesel not because they were bullied, or because they preferred diesel ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER TO RUN. If you can charge at home it’s less then £200.00 on a over night cheap rate for 10,000 miles traveled it’s a no brainier.
It's January figures that will reveal what's been going on, as the backed up ice car sales go through and the EV registrations drop off as they start to clear the EV stock
It'll be a lifetime of Free Tyres and Brakes on those wonderful appliances( Supposedly Don't Need Brakes & Tyres😂) with a discount rate on the charging networks to tempt the chumps ,as anyone with a brain won't touch them unless you live in a city with a personal charger/parking bay .
Yep,this is all the truth barrie,someone says we will sell a certain amount in a year and as usual its nowhere near the target so car mfr basically cook the books to make it work or face fines.the car industry is in a mess as it is (well legacy are) and in 5 years a lot of them will be gone or baught out. Why dont you do a full list of car sales for the year ice hybrid and bev At least we will see a bigger picture,and who has hit their targets with ev and who hasnt,also you dont talk about legacy profits or mainly losses and the effect china is having on the industry. ps at the end of the day it doesnt matter what they run on they are all cars.
Registrations not equalling sales has been a thing for years, however now manufacturers/dealers are pre-registering EVs and selling them at about half price is not a sales boom, its fiddling the books. Wanting an EV I just said thanks, but this can't last before the house of cards collapses.
There's more preregistered petrol and diesel cars on auto trader than EVs. Petrol 7,187 Diesel 2,677 Electric 4,539 Hybrid 6,383 Seems like it's a general thing in the car industry.
Was looking at new honda civic hybrid. Hardly any for sale on autotrader under £23,000 with 20,000+ mileage on yet theres loads if teslas for under £ 23,000 with same mileage. Because they are having to hold back the sale of the honda and no sod wants a used tesla. Thats harming rhe car industry surely.
Do you think it might be because the age of Tesla model 3 you're looking at it was the best selling car in the world and there's loads of supply? Where as Civic sales were dropping and therefore there's low supply? You know how supply and demand affects prices right?
I just bought a 2021 petrol Arteon. My car for the next 6 years minimum. I’ll be forced into an EV. I’m a wheelchair user. I can’t get to the chargers to plug in.
Why don't the government just compromise , i.e allow the cars with the smallest petrol engines with low emissions, for example less than 120grms co2 to be sold . Folks who want a large more powerful car or suv can buy electric if they want. It would give everybody a bit of breathing room at least.
just think about how much VAT they will lose not selling ICE cars, and how much subsidy they need to shell out on EVs. Rachel was looking to hike VED to some ridiculous number, but that will bring in almost nothing with the way this is going.
The goal is not getting us into EV's.
The goal is us not having cars at all
Yes, Knowing the Lab Con Libs they are prob sounding out chinees cycle dealers.
Using the EV's debacle to throttle the entire car industry?
@@paulineprice9534 Correct, governments want them to go bust, they don't want us citizens to have any freedom or choices come 2030.
@@paulineprice9534Bankruptcy is imminent for very large corporations like VAG.
How, I hear you ask.
Costs are up because they’ve been investing heavily in EV manufacturing kit.
They’ve made loads of EVs that aren’t selling.
They’ve also made far more petrol and diesel cars that they’re effectively prohibited from selling.
Costs €45B, usual sales €50B. Happiness.
Costs €45B+, sales €40B and trend is for worsening rapidly. Misery.
Cannot escape because the public don’t want the EVs, and if they do, there’s enormous supply at half VAG prices.
They could sell the ICE cars because the public wants them. But the huge per car fines in U.K. means that they’ll lose money on every sale.
I see no path for recovery.
Ooh!...another conspiracy theory victim.🤣🤣..is that something you heard down the pub?
Now all join together and what do we say to the government EV mandate? Go swivel!
People are not stupid they know what's going on. We are being bullied by the establishment. I dont like bullies.
As Kweer Stalin and Old King $ausage Fingers boss Klau$ over at W£F says:
You will OWN NOTHING,
You will GO NOWHERE and be happy.
Oh yes they are. Most of them. Do you remember what happened three years ago?
💯 correct Tyrants
@@poliziagrammaticale9430 And the Iraq war.
@bluestreak2701 "People are not stupid they know what's going on"... oh yeah? There's plenty out there, trust me. And if not stupid the at least myopic like Barrie.
Barrie totally agree with you. Wife ordered a new KIA Picanto in November but the dealer can't supply until January. Thanks to you we know why.
It has to be built; no car manufacturer keeps 'stock'. It won't just 'appear' sometime after it was ordered
Bet you could get a new EV before Christmas if you ordered one Friday - as long as you weren't too picky.
I bought a new diesel Ford in 2018 and it took longer.
There's 86 brand new on forecourts on auto trader this evening. Cancel your order and buy one of those instead. Available now. 🤷
@Lewis_Standing +1 or see if one of the online brokers like Drive the Deal can find one quicker.
Holding back ICE sales until 2025 means EV sales in 2025 will be even worse than 2024. Something has to change and I reckon the Government position will be the one to fold.
Labour crashing the motor trade. This will hit the economy hard especially all the linked businesses,canteen staff, cleaners .show room landlords, auxiliary manufacturers etc. millions of people.
In 2016 we sold 3 million combustion cars. It had already decreased by 50% to 2 million before the (Tory) plan for the ZEV mandate.
Seems like a decreasing trend anyway as cars have become more expensive we've bought less and made them last longer
@@Lewis_Standing Lab and Con both bat for the same side and their boss Klau$ over at W£F.
@@cloudbasenirvana Amazing how many brainwashed idiots still fall for the tory/labour bs
Socialism destroys everything that it touches.
@Darren-q3wNO! They just did the the WEF UN Globalist paymasters bidding ! Same as the baffoons now !
pre register has been a long term thing, I worked around the Honda factory in Swindon, after 3 months employment you could either take a pay rise or have a free brand new car for 3 months and then another one for 3 months. Those 3 month old ones went into dealers as ex demo (not thrashed to f by an employee). You went into a Honda showroom "I want a Honda" we have a 6 week wait on your car OR our ex demo 3 months old at $quids in discount drive away today, and that's how they shifted units.
Wow, that's incredible, happy Christmas to you and your family 🎄🎁🏴🇬🇧👍🍀
Thank you, same to you and yours 👍
This afternoon I went into my local dealers to get some parts for my vehicle which is 5 years old .... Dealer salesperson approached me and asked if I wanted to part ex mine for a new EV... I laughed and said no chance .. he was offering 6k off and was offering me top money on mine .. and got pissed when I said no chance
@@vandamonium1731 Good on you! .. we need to all stand together on this one! .. I can see 2025 being a bad year!
Tough shit on him 😊😊😊
If the end game of these mandates is to reduce personal transport this makes sense, and is starting to show results.
Barrie. Not only could this kill the car industry, it could tank the economy. I don’t think it’s EVs that are the problem. It’s the stupid, naive ZEV mandate. They should leave it to market forces. Can I request you do a video on the impact on the commercial market. I’m really worried about the knock-on impacts on the economy from forcing industry into using EV vans, particularly the 3.5T market, where EVs simply aren’t up to the job and are way too expensive
We have been testing some 3.5T vans. The diesel vans were using about £70-£75 of diesel a week. The EV vans which have to be charged in a supermarket (there was no capacity for fitting chargers at the depot) are costing £300 a week plus 10 hours of overtime for someone to sit there and wait every day.
That’s frightening. I guess if they could be charged on site, the costs would be significantly reduced. For short distance, multi drop use, they might work. But my biggest issue is their range when put to serious use e.g. fully loaded or towing a trailer or long distance National deliveries. Then electric is a non-starter. I use a 3.5T converted Sprinter as a recovery truck. There is no 3.5T EV van or chassis cab that could theoretically be used for this function. The extra weight of the battery alone would negate its ability to carry any car bigger than a classic mini. And fully loaded to 3.5T, I’ll bet my house you wouldn’t get 100 miles out of it on the motorway. This is just one use case, but think of all the other 3.5T vehicles that wouldn’t work: Luton vans, refrigerated vans, RAC vans stuffed with gear, minibuses, motorway maintenance trucks, the list goes on. What’s business supposed to do? And don’t get me started on the price. £75k for an electric Sprinter!
It's a long standing agenda. No coincidences, incompetence or anything else.
@@peterhowson-pf5vo I'm no expert, but reading posts like yours make me even more depressed - and ANgry - about what Net Zero is doing to this country (and others). China is laughing its head off at the stupid, compliant western leaders. Didn't that PoS Milliband get asked 9 months ago if HE had an EV, and he said "not yet". Time to ask the little pip-squeak if he has one now...or can't you charge it in North London ??
I am a big EV van but totally accept your analysis. January sales will tell all.
My local dealer told me in October basically he cant sell a new ICE car until January 2025 (due to ZEV mandate) and no-one wants the EV options so he will be sitting in the showroom for 3 months with basically nothing to sell. And people wonder why the automotive industry is on the verge of complete collapse .........Come January EV sales will of course fall off a cliff - again!
Every EV they do sell they lose a fortune on - it's a lose - lose situation for manufacturers and dealers etc.
Same thing happened to my other half, ordered a brand new Kia Picanto was told by dealer that car would be in showroom on 10th December, got a call last week from dealership to say car had arrived in Uk but there is a backlog etc etc and car won't be at dealership until 10th January 2025. I think the car makers need to sort this out and stop pissing about and tell the government that thier mandate does not work or they will not last long in 2025.
A "backlog" lol. I'd love to see the whole list of excuses these spineless dealers are dishing out to customers whilst they purposely hold back their new ICE car until January.
Have you ever seen such a ridiculous charade in all your life?
I know in the states a large group of vehicles makers wrote an open letter to the government telling them it wasn't working and would cost jobs,probably make bugger all difference but why don't all the manufacturers demand a urgent meeting with the government and tell them clearly,this madness will destroy the industry in the UK or is it the case the government couldn't give a rats arse I do wonder.
There's 89 on forecourts as we speak with £1000 off across the country.
Cancel your factory order and get yourself on auto trader and pick one up ASAP
@@Lewis_Standing sometimes you have to look at those 89 so called cars on the forecourts, when you dig into those adverts you will actually see that the car is only for show to get you to order the car as the dealer actually does not have the car is stock to sell, hence you have to order it.
Be interesting to see the sales figures in January and February
94% of all new car sales in Norway are EVs, with 54% of all cars on the road now EVs. Cold doesn't make an odds.
January sales of EV'S 3 or 4 maybe. SMMT demanding emergency meeting with government by June to say EV mandate goes or they do.
@countottovanshanoo822 YES it DOES ! shill ?
It's going to be fascinating and fun.
@@countottovanshanoo822 I would look further into why if I was you,
Norway's EV market has grown rapidly due to a number of factors, including:
Government support
The Norwegian government offers incentives for EVs, such as free parking and exemption from city tolls.
Charging infrastructure
There are many free charging stations in Norwegian cities and towns, including 2,000 in Oslo alone.
Wealth
Norway is one of the world's wealthiest countries, which can help with the higher upfront cost of EVs.
Norwegian ferries have banned EVs on their ships due to fire risks.
It’s going to push up the prices of late model Petrol and Diesel cars in the second hand market.
Because people will get tired of waiting for the new Petrol or Diesel vehicles and look for a good alternative.
The only EV worth buying in the UK market at the moment is a tiny little Citroen as it’s perfect for running around in town doing errands!
I’m so glad to have returned to a Decent new Diesel powered Truck as no one else is paying for my time to look for and wait to be recharged.
The future is NOT electric vehicles, but instead something else that we have not seen yet.
Yes, but unfortunately the MOT test criteria is becoming increasingly stringent and pedantic, in order to force people with older ICE vehicles to scrap their perfectly good cars! I have a 2011 Qahqai 15dci. It has been pampered from new by its 2 wealthy lady owners before me. No pets/kids/smoking/damage and a FULL Service history, and has 112k carefully driven miles. Last mot, the were suddenly multiple advisory items - NONE were fails, but enough to scare a lot of owners into scrapping it! Examples - rear spring corroded, offside and near side (springs actually replaced last year), Brake discs worn but not affecting braking efficiency (new discs and pads at 105k). product on headlights reducing effectiveness (just needed a cut and polish), exhaust system corrosion (like every exhaust ever). Had I decided to replace springs, brakes, lights and exhaust, the bill would have been over £1000!!!! This is how the ICE cars will be forced off the roads!
@overland_adventure_nz "The future is NOT electric vehicles, but instead something else that we have not seen yet." Fairy dust power maybe?
@ no not fairy dust, but there’s a lot of work going on in the motor industry at the moment.
The future in New Zealand for big trucks is Hydrogen ICE powered, because we are one of the few countries with a natural supply of hydrogen gas from the ground.
Hydrogen ICE powered trucks also are more economic is the present trucks on the road can be re-repaired with new engines allowing them to be used for the next 20+ years very easily. We would have a good network of hydrogen refill centres across New Zealand and at the moment they feel they only need to add a couple more to give trucks the ability to drive money into the country to the other.
There’s not enough copper in the world for EVs to be the future and the damage done to source a number of minerals are damaging major countries in South America and other parts of the world.
Extremely high efficient ICE running on a hybrid mix of fossil fuel and bio feel isn’t looking extremely positive.
EVs are only a stop gap at the moment and just going forward a small amount of the fuel vehicle powered fleet.
@@GaryParker-o4e I did say late model vehicles and not early model vehicles.
It sounds like you should’ve changed the government to someone with sense as it’s just gonna bankrupt the UK
We've already seen the future. It's "mad max".
I've ordered a Renault traffic diesel and was told I'll have to wait 12 months. I can wait.
I saw Robert on fully charged say combustion car sales are slowing and EVs are up !!! I commented that this was rubbish and got grief off the usual nerds.
There’s just no reasoning with these nutters.
Novembers official figures confirm it from the SMMT.
there's more unsold new petrol and diesel cars on auto trader than EVs.
It's just the truth 🤷
Dealers advertising new ICE cars, but refusing to register and deliver them until January more like.
Robert is a sell out, a shill for the EV movement, like with Wilson, I've lost all respect for them
@@Lewis_Standing suppose that's got nothing to do with the unfair huge rises in road tax for new ICE vehicles. Suppose you think it's a random coincidence yes? 🤦🏻🙄
@user-wg1bt9bt8u could just call it the thermal runaway show instead 😂
Barrie, you are going to be proved right.
The whole experiment is insane Thanks Barrie 😊
Brig lad 40 years in motor trade, Back in 2015 I had a holiday in Rome and saw a Tesla for the first time, I was impressed, we saw them little electric truck things in Portugal, we smiled, I saw a Leaf taxi here drag racing a fancy audi and liked it. When people decided for themselves it never bothered me. They have their place but let the market decide, government legislation is the only thing making them sell. You remember how many factories closed in Preston in the 80's and the government told us it was "Market forces". When THEY want something to happen "Market forces" go out the window.
I walk by a large new car dealership regularly and the EVs that have been sitting unmoved without number plates for the last year suddenly have 2024 plates on them. You are correct these are not sales to the public and these cars will have to be given away at huge losses sometime in the next few months so destroying the market for EVs.
I just took a look again on the UKs most widely used auto sales app and surprise surprise- there are many models off EV at literally 40% discount in many cases. Nissan, MG and Citroen to name a few. There was never a time in history that any ICE car was discounted that heavily in order to get it shifted. Manufacturers must be losing money on each electric car they are currently selling. At this rate most manufacturers will be filing for bankruptcy before they even get to 2030
2025-6 is my guess.
And that's part of Communist China's Plan ! Western leaders are being bough off by China....there's no other explanation.
January 2025 should have the biggest petrol and diesel sales figures ever. It should embarrass a few pro EV people !
Except there is a recession coming
I'd like to bring in a quote: When the Romanian leftist writer Panait Istrati visited the Soviet Union in the 1930s, the time of the big purges and show trials, a Soviet apologist trying to convince him of the need for violence against enemies of the state evoked the proverb, “You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.” To which Istrati tersely replied: “All right. I can see the broken eggs. Where’s this omelet of yours?”
Might as well ask Scholz, Macron, Starmer and the others where the omelet is.
Southampton docks are full of EV's
For that matter, the scrubland I drive past in Derby is brim Full of unsold cars of all types, and makes. Cost of a new car is now just ludicrous. If you want something decent - a family car - £38k is the starting point. People just won't do it - especaily with job insecurity, after just 6 months of this Socialist Government.
Moral victory? There are too many people who have lost their jobs and many, many more that will. For what?…a hypothetical goal.
Thats the sad bit of all this, legacy car makers have had to throw away their technical superiority and can only watch the cheap Chineese EVs arrive
We love visiting the UK every year, but it's getting harder to find a car to rent with an engine in it, there are so many places we'd love to spend time, but not charging stations- we can already waste time in boring places in a normal car if we want to do that- that's going to be a deal breaker.
I'd love to rent different EVs to test them for camping trips etc. eg EV9 or EX90 or ID BUZZ.
It's not common to have EV rentals whenever I've looked.
@@Lewis_Standing That's interesting I guess the UK is worse than other places for choice- but I called several places before i could find a renter that could guarantee a car with an engine, and we walked past dozens of EVs to the last couple of normal cars available. Hertz are getting rid of most of their EV fleet now so hopefully that will improve.
@@SteveLomas-k6knews articles give me varying figures so I don't know what's true but apparently only 25% of Hertz cars were ever EVs. Makes it unlikely you had to walk past several or struggle to get a combustion car. Seems odd.
@@Lewis_Standing
That could be accurate, 25% is way too many when zero % of people want to rent one.
I think the lockdowns had a lot to do with it, they had to sell a lot of all cars when people were not allowed to travel. 2 years ago Hertz had a box you could check online to reserve gas/diesel only. We walked to the end of a line of dozens of (mostly Polestar) battery operated cars, to pick up one of three remaining normal cars. This year that box disappeared and none of the airport renters could assure us an engine, so we had to rent outside the airport - it was still a hybrid which was a bit of a pain but at least we could travel the country feely. If that option disappears we just won't go, I'm not interested in touring charging stations..
@@SteveLomas-k6k If they had EV charging at the rental sites it would be very convenient. Polestar 2 is quite a good looking car and I wouldn't mind trying it. Sadly the OG version has a transmission tunnel in it ruining the leg room. New version is lovely.
People are afraid of change. Personally I rented a BMW X1 in Greece one year after being in an EV for 3 years. It was dreadful. Manual gearbox that was terrible. I used to like manuals too. I couldn't go back now honestly.
Whats the Point?
its only going to make the problem Worse this time next year?
Why isn't the industry collectively telling the Gov to get lost?
Need to be writing to your MP and calling them out on the ZEV mandate.
MPs have absolutely ZERO power. Don’t waste your time.
Mine's a Labour MP and won't answer me on any matter, including this as I've already tried.
All they are doing is kicking the can down the road a wee bit. How can they sell ANY EVs at the start of next year when they have fields of pre-registered vehicles already depreciating? Next years target will be even more impossible to meet! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
Correct, and the percentage target increases!
The delay is because if they don't sell the correct amount of EV's as an overall percentage they are FINED £15K PER ICE vehicle sold over the quota! Vauxhall in Luton is closing soon... with a loss of 1100 jobs because they can't sell EV vans and can't afford the tax bill of £15K per car!!
I’m collecting a new ICE car this weekend. Nothing special but I’ve waited 7 months. Why? Because the 1.5 engine is popular and there’s a backlog of orders. If I wanted the BEV version, there’s loads in the showrooms.
Please for the love of all that is holy, spend £75 on a proper mic.
I have got the latest mics, they cost a heck of a lot more than £75, but you could meet me half way go into setting switch on “stable sound” because it sounds perfect on all my equipment
You're missing the point Barrie. Try listening on a different device, without being signed in. All the settings you use are customized on your devices and are not standard settings.
@ the sound is showing perfectly in Final Cut Pro my editing software, I’ve used my colleagues sign in and his windows computer and I can’t find a problem, although a few people have complained hundreds of thousands of others haven’t,
I see a stable volume in setting - disabled on my mobile.
For sure your audio is in a stable condition - buried under hay and muffled! Like it was recorded via laptop in another room.
It’s terrible, but it’s not the mic , it’s the room , get some soft furnishings (sound attenuation )
🙏
Correct me if I'm wrong but do EV sales not include Hybrids and PHEV if so how many actual pure EV' are being sold? Brum Brum
what makes me smile is the owners who missed the memo are now shouting there cars are cheaper to run, nope their milkfloat cost maybe £10.000 more to buy...so even if they did cost less to run the upfront cost outweighs any saving....let them all see just how mad this is...petrol and diesels will be around well after i am kicking up daises..buyer beware...thanks Barry for your videos to highlight the truth
Bankruptcy is imminent for very large corporations like VAG.
How, I hear you ask.
Costs are up because they’ve been investing heavily in EV manufacturing kit.
They’ve also made loads of EVs that aren’t selling.
They’ve also made far more petrol and diesel cars that they’re effectively prohibited from selling.
They’ve run out of yards and airports to park unsold vehicles.
Costs €45B, usual sales €50B. Happiness.
Costs €45B+, sales €40B and trend is for worsening rapidly. Misery.
Cannot escape because the public don’t want the EVs, and if they do, there’s enormous supply at half VAG prices.
They could sell the ICE cars because the public wants them. But the huge per car fines in U.K. means that they’ll lose money on every sale.
I see no path for recovery.
as someone who has a fair few shares, and a decent number of VAG cars in the family, I hope not. They build good ICE cars.
Thanks for bringing this up Barrie the car market is in a bad way I’ve got to change my 2 cars and I keep putting it off as it’s the worse I’ve ever known it
you’re talking out your hat. All that crap is best case. But we live in reality. 600km range actually means 500km as we all know you can only get around 80% of what the manufacturer says. Then you’re only supposed to regularly charge to 80% so now it’s 400km. Oh, and it’s the middle of winter, so take 10% off the battery performance. Oh, and I should mention, the EV I need is a van. And I need a van because I need to haul stuff and it’s heavy. And I need to drive up and down the motorway network at motorway speeds as time is money. Now I’m down to a range of 200km, if I’m lucky. And I can’t charge at home either. So, technically brilliant or not, EVs don’t fit me right now. When they do, I’m all in
They will be trying to avoid the non ev sales fines this year and next year it is probably hoped that the govt will scale back the targets due to the struggling car makers, closure of factories etc
Thanks for keeping up with telling us the truth Barrie... I own a petrol Abarth 595, had it for 4 years and still love it, i could with the driving i do realistically own an EV, but still prefer a petrol engine, i can get a brand new (pre registered 74 plate) Abarth 500e for under 27k, new price is over 38k BUT with this discounting from new what`s it going to be worth in a few years is my main worry...
Fiat and abarth are just taking the Mick.
There's only £3000 of batteries in the 500e and they are trying to charge £12,000 more for it than the Petrol version.
Hint: the rrp is just them trying it on
It's going to take a massive hit ,no one with any sense is going to buy an E V say five years old , as the battery will be partially depleted and you will be looking at replacing it in a few years time at a cost of over 20 grand for some makes . More than the car will be worth so you will probably be looking at scraping it or pay the 20 odd grand
@@StuartPearson-mj7uzmyth.
I've done 52500 miles in mine and the OBD dongle I bought reads that the battery is at 97% capacity.
The battery will outlast the chassis.
Perhaps Barrie doesn't know that much about EVs and is misleading you?
It sounds like you enjoy the Arbarth. Most people enjoy this car for its ability to deliver fun at a very reasonable price. Why in the world would you want to get an electric Abarth ? It would be like the car you have now but with its heart and soul removed.
Thank you Barrie, my Dad was a secondhand car salesman but he only bought cars worth selling. I went in for tea at six as we all had to one day and said "Dad you've got eight cars out there!" He could sell sand to the Arabs as they say (We do actually sell sand to the Arabs) I doubt he would want to sell EV's.
Want to stay warm in your car this winter? Better have ICE under the bonnet.
EVs barely use any energy on heating. My heat pump might use 1000 watts. The battery could supply that for literally 64 hours.
It's not a legit concern.
@ Tell that to TonyGoodman, ElectricCarnage. He sore the range change just by turning on the heater.
Wife's friend came back from rural North Wales in January in a Nissan EV - nowhere to charge the car at the relatives they were visiting, so they set off at 2pm to drive 150 miles home, dark at 4.....nowhere to charge....the Battery metre was dropping, so they drove at 40 and had to turn off the heating to get home without having to call the AA !! Of course, the EV lovers would say that they should have planned ahead ....no need if you have an ICE car. China laughing its head off.
my boss got a bmw ix company car. I asked her eabout it. She loves it. Range in summer up to 300 miles. Range in winter 180. Driving home for christmas on busy roads at low temps wont be worry free. Lifes to short. Top up your ICE to 600miles range and turn up the heater, no worries.
If only people would work out the real world range of EVs!Not recommended to charge over 80%, not recommended to go lower than 20%! So that leaves just 60%. So in summer, battery capacity times 60% times miles per KW equals range. In winter half that range! So just 30% of what they advertise as the range of the vehicle. Rubbish isn't it!
Vw ID Buzz , now with £5500 dealer contribution on an already highly deprecated price
As someone once said "There are lies, Damned lies and Statistics "
I was effectively bribed/punished by the govt to have one for 6 months due to my previous 2019 company car BIK tax going up to £480 p/month out of my pay on a solid GLC220d vs £30 a month on a BMWi4 - that's a no brainer so I went EV in 2023
I spent 6 months covering all the UK in the BMW taking hours to plan journeys with fast chargers & hours lost charging too vs what I was used to just filling up.
Would I have had one otherwise - No way & I don't believe in any way I was 'saving the environment'.
Nice enough car to drive, but the charging infrastruture is still not there and it was a ball ache to find fast chargers. That's my experience & I bet hardly any of those making these ludicrous decisions drive further than 50 miles if at all. They will crucify the car industry with their ideological madness.
That’s the objective. You don’t need a car in a 15 minute city.
You tell it as it is, good show, cheers.
I can't think of any level of discount that manufacturers & dealers could realistically offer that would induce me to buy a battery EV. My 10 year old Ford C-Max (bought earlier this year) cost me £5000. Would swap it for a ultra low milage 1 year old EV if someone offered me such a deal? No - not if I had to keep it, run it, and be financially responsible for its upkeep myself. Strip me of my freedom of choice, & tax me out of my ICE car. I still don't want to buy & own a battery EV.
Remember, EVs are safe and effective! .. dont delay. Come and get yours today!
Do they all come with BOO$T£R$ like the worldwide devils spike scam recently.
😂❤🎉😊
Remember Porsche has advised not to park near your home when charging
@JRMillican Yes, I was told today that very same story!
Sounds echoey Barrie.
It's like being at the cinema 😂 I'm listening on 🎧 because Corrie is on, lol
Sounds like I am hearing separate audio recordings from both of your cameras mixed together. Sounds horrible and echo. Please, next time, disable one of the audio sources.
Sounds echoey….echoey…..echoey….echoey….echoey….echoey…
Thats a couple milliseconds slap back. I suspect 10 ms or so. I suspect there are hard walls and a small room. If not he’s wearing a lavallier and there are both camera and lavallier mixed together. Hence the delay.
Barrie has always had problems with sound on UA-cam...
Barrie, you need to listen back to your vids to check the audio quality before you publish. And don't do it from your account, do it from a private window/tab so you get a third party view point (without cookies).
Pre-registering EV's to hit targets? Surely not..... 🤣🤣🤣
It would be interesting to see the number of vehicle orders placed in 2024 by fuel type.
According to data from another you tuber, BEV sales will fall short of the 22% target and this to put into figures is 65,000 BEVs costing car manufacturers nearly £1 Billion in fines to the UK government!
What would happen if we all stood together and said NO to EV's
I could charge at home- and I only do a few long trips a year. What EV should I get to replace my Audi S8 that I bought for 3500 quid in 2009?
I've ordered a new Civic Type R, which is definitely being held somewhere. It's not being built because all UK cars are in the UK or at least ready to send.
If they sell 1 EV in January and 2 EV's in February .... sales in February have increased 100%.....
Gotta wonder, if mandate does not vary, ice cars will not be delivered after September/October 2025 but held over to 2026. Alternately private buyers will purchase 3 ice and one ev at once. They can then sell the petrol cars for a premium and give away the ev.
Barrie the NG 5 was first sold in November 2020 the pads are shown at the 3 year point or first MOT so it should be easy to see the brake faults of this car. Service records and disc images could further validate the remarkable pad wear.
An MG 5 with over 100,000 miles is a rare vehicle. If you take a genuine second hand range of MG5 cars for sale with mileage between 5000 and 150,000 then there are 161 cars for sale of which 2 have exceeded 100,000 miles. With the current passion for working from home exceeding 92 miles a day on a 365 day basis or 120miles a day based on a 5 day working pattern is less likely but not impossible. The current state of Uk roads and average driving speeds I estimate that the driver of a 3 year old mg 5 would be spending 3 to 4 hours every working day on the road allowing for lunch and breaks this would leave our driver 2 hours a day to conduct business in a 37 hour week. It seems like a very 1980s way of conducting business. That said a territory for a sales person doing more than 30,000 miles a year would be quite large and in winter months may require roadside charging so we must applaud anyone who is putting 30,000 miles a year in an MG5 and never braking. Most EVs on the motorway pootle along at 55 to 60miles an hour due to the inefficiency of their electric motors at constant speed so I’m not surprised the pads haven’t been used but seized discs and corrosion are definitely possible due to lack of use. But the pad is remarkably clean and in good condition for a 3 year old item exposed to British roads.
I am in dealership showrooms auditing 4 days weekly and have no recollection of witnessing anyone collecting a new EV. It’s always an ICE vehicle in the handover bay or a hybrid.
Simple solution, NIO battery swap is the winning business model in the EV industry. For petrol station read battery swap station, no range anxiety, no battery degradation anxiety, higher resale value.
Government is finding that pushing around car companies, with regulations changed at the stroke of a pen, is the easy bit. The hard bit is long term investment in physical engineering, to build the recharging / battery swap infrastructure.
"Charging experience" 😂😂😂 are they out of their minds???
Barrie have a look on BCA there’s a byd on there 2 months old 2000 miles booking at 20 k cost new 39 k
It would be cheaper to travel by taxi.
Keep spreading the truth well done mate
If EV sales are so good why are some many being offered with 18-40% discount from all manufacturers?
I like an EV, they are quiet and responsive and I don’t do many miles these days. Thank the lord because the roads are shocking and driving standards have dropped. However, I looked at Mercedes recently at the EQE, having spent an hour in one and thought it was great, £7,000 off and 0% APR on a PCP. If people wanted them they wouldn’t need to deals like that.
I think Colin Walker has spelt his surname wrong. The 'l' is supposed to be an 'n'.
I'll enjoy watching Barrie stick the January ICE sales figures to Colin. 😂
@@ghunt9146November figures saw EVs grow 50% and petrol and diesel declined.
What are you expecting in January?
It’s definitely a buyers market we have ice and ev and looking to change the ev. I think 2025 will be a pivotal point with the ev market every time we research,new models mainly Chinese are being launched. Battery packs have dropped in price to manufacture by 50% and solid state on the horizon. We had about two choices 7 years ago.😅
The Electric Viking says EV sales are going through the roof.
So what then happens in 2025 re: ICE v EV sales stats?
Barrie may I ask have you ever mentioned or compared EVs when it comes to towing anything ? As from any video I’ve seen with EVs towing they seem absolutely useless in terms of range it’s laughable. Goodbye caravan holidays,towing another vehicle and so on if we all had electric vehicles we would need a hgv licence if that was the only thing left on the road that was allowed to use fossil fuels for example
06:30 What a complete load of public relations BS
Used car sales people are doing very well. But they're only selling brum-brum cars.
New car dealers are struggling no matter what type of car they sell.
At BCA and others no-one wants to touch used EVs either.
You think its bad for the trade now Barrie, Just wait until Jan when the franchised dealers are put under pressure to unload all the 2024 year end pre-registered EVs whilst still trying to flog their Jan quota. How long do you think it will be before the franchised dealer networks are heavily 'rationalised' to make way for manufacturer direct sales?
What was Toyota's model that had the most interest and pre-orders in 2024 - the new £70k LandCruiser (Diesel)! Its more than a car, its an heirloom my mate said who picked his up last week..... will outlast maybe 3-4 EV's over its lifetime and considering the vast % of environmental damage is done when making a car then its perversely the greener option :)
If they need to strangle the supply of ice vehicles to manipulate the figures then that tells you a lot,market forces should deictate sales not denying folk thechoice to hit targets,if they are that good they should sell themselves,but sadly thats not the case let cosumers have the choices.
When people had the choice they chose labour!
Get rid of the EV mandate, get rid of labour start to live again.
All the uk car manufactures have to do is refuse to sell ev to anyone other than private company’s and individuals ,
Why would EV sales go up ? they are not really fit for any purpose and compared to an ice vehicle they are utter rubbish., and the driving experiance is crap.
@clivelockwood BEV registrations for November are 58% up. Sales are up too (show me a picture of a field full of EV's in the UK from this year if you can). EVs are everywhere you look. Charge points are being installed at record rates. EVs are better than ICE in some ways, worse in others. They are not the same. 95% of EV owners would never go back to ICE. Btw that's a stat that has been verified by many independent studies. The writing is on the wall for combustion engine vehicles and their producers. Everything changes.
Strange thing about "disruptive technology"....it disrupts the way "traditional" businesses are done.
Those that do not, cannot, will not, refuses to, change....gets destroyed and disappears!!!
That's what happened to Kodak and Nokia.
A strange phenomenon is occurring at this time;
All the denials and how bad EVs are, is coming from a certain place...mainly nations with legacy auto manufacturers.
Whilst sales trends in the rest of the globe is sky rocketing...88% of the global population cannot be wrong. Nor can the 12% always be correct!!!
Your example is flawed. Kodak and Nokia created technology that could do everything the older technologies could do, and better. EVs are only better in certain use cases. If you’re in the sweet spot, great i.e. charge at home, commute within your range. For many use cases, they simply are not up to the job. For instance, can’t charge at home, long distance commuting, commercial driving (particularly when heavily laden), towing a trailer or caravan. Until these issues are ironed out, there shouldn’t be a blanket mandate imo
@peterhowson-pf5vo You know, what!!
You are so closed in your bubble, technology have leaped over you!!
Did you know EVs, today have 600 to 1000 KM range.
Hybrids on one tank and full charge can reach 2000 KM range!!
Charging are now between 30 mins to 15 mins....80% to 100% charge.
Newer chargers are coming with sub 7mins 80% charging.
So until you stop listening to all the faulty experts and do your own research....you might just break out of your bubble.
@peterhowson-pf5vo Nokia could do everything....until they became obselete and could not change!!!!
Wide screen n internet overtook...analogue phones.
@eastern...
It's not disruptive tech at all.
Ask yourself, why didn't gov simply allow a free market, like with LPG power.
What is disruptive is the mandate. Without it the market would very different.
@fredfred2363 It is disruptive tech by every measure.
It is new tech...for automotive.
It disrupts the legacy automotive and provides alternative to transportation.
You could start something with LPG. But unfortunately that never got off the ground!!!
I can't wait for plan C:
For as long as the EV mandate is 50% or less, produce something cheap & crappy for 1/2 the price of an Ami, lead-acid batteries, 20 miles range but CHEAP.
Then buy our milk-float, get an actual ICE car free!
(If I lived in Wales with their 20mph limit, and had somewhere I cold charge at home I'd be tempted to buy an ACTUAL milk float for local use)
The main Audi dealership in Bradford is closing down.😱
Mercedes closed a couple of weeks ago.
@andyhill6398 True, it's weird or is it 🤔.
Yeap hence why VW workers keep striking but no media about it as its due to poor ev sales
Unfortunately this isn’t a problem that VAG management can solve. No point in striking.
The workers need to strike against governments.
Beatnik !
I think all the deluded people buying electric cars should pay a minimum reg.fee of £1000 to pay for infrastructure
Just because they say you would have to wait for an ICE car, doesn't mean you're going to buy an EV, if it was me I would do the 🖕and be off.
EV’s will never suit everyone but they certainly suit some. High initial prices have been a restriction for many, inconvenient charging, expensive charging, insurance costs, battery replacement costs and depreciation are just some of the issues people are facing with EV’s. Personally we are a 2 car family, one is an ICE car (diesel) and the other is a 3 year old EV both garaged and the EV is always charged at home. The EV has quickly become the vehicle of choice for 90% of our driving needs, it’s been cheap to run, reliable, cheap to service and the insurance while higher than the diesel it’s not significant. Battery degradation is minimal and at this stage we have 3.5 years of warranty remaining so we intend keeping the car but at some stage we will need to confront the depreciation issue. EV’s sales mean less ICE car sales which will impact their pricing and running costs as lower volumes increases costs.
It'll be interesting to see what excuses they come up with when EV sales in January slump to 15%
Chasing a mirrage is not a story with a happy ending.
People swapped from petrol to diesel not because they were bullied, or because they preferred diesel ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER TO RUN.
If you can charge at home it’s less then £200.00 on a over night cheap rate for 10,000 miles traveled it’s a no brainier.
It's January figures that will reveal what's been going on, as the backed up ice car sales go through and the EV registrations drop off as they start to clear the EV stock
It'll be a lifetime of Free Tyres and Brakes on those wonderful appliances( Supposedly Don't Need Brakes & Tyres😂) with a discount rate on the charging networks to tempt the chumps ,as anyone with a brain won't touch them unless you live in a city with a personal charger/parking bay .
Blimey 6 adverts for a 10 minute monologue. I bet you aren’t getting the proceeds .
Pay for Premium then
Yep,this is all the truth barrie,someone says we will sell a certain amount in a year and as usual its nowhere near the target so car mfr basically cook the books to make it work or face fines.the car industry is in a mess as it is (well legacy are) and in 5 years a lot of them will be gone or baught out.
Why dont you do a full list of car sales for the year ice hybrid and bev
At least we will see a bigger picture,and who has hit their targets with ev and who hasnt,also you dont talk about legacy profits or mainly losses and the effect china is having on the industry. ps at the end of the day it doesnt matter what they run on they are all cars.
Registrations not equalling sales has been a thing for years, however now manufacturers/dealers are pre-registering EVs and selling them at about half price is not a sales boom, its fiddling the books. Wanting an EV I just said thanks, but this can't last before the house of cards collapses.
There's more preregistered petrol and diesel cars on auto trader than EVs.
Petrol
7,187
Diesel
2,677
Electric
4,539
Hybrid
6,383
Seems like it's a general thing in the car industry.
The pre-registering of EV is unsustainable because they just add to the pool of unsold cars for the next year
Was looking at new honda civic hybrid. Hardly any for sale on autotrader under £23,000 with 20,000+ mileage on yet theres loads if teslas for under £ 23,000 with same mileage.
Because they are having to hold back the sale of the honda and no sod wants a used tesla. Thats harming rhe car industry surely.
Do you think it might be because the age of Tesla model 3 you're looking at it was the best selling car in the world and there's loads of supply?
Where as Civic sales were dropping and therefore there's low supply?
You know how supply and demand affects prices right?
Auto trader have EVs with up to 40% off list price, says it all 😅
I just bought a 2021 petrol Arteon. My car for the next 6 years minimum. I’ll be forced into an EV. I’m a wheelchair user. I can’t get to the chargers to plug in.
Why don't the government just compromise , i.e allow the cars with the smallest petrol engines with low emissions, for example less than 120grms co2 to be sold .
Folks who want a large more powerful car or suv can buy electric if they want. It would give everybody a bit of breathing room at least.
just think about how much VAT they will lose not selling ICE cars, and how much subsidy they need to shell out on EVs. Rachel was looking to hike VED to some ridiculous number, but that will bring in almost nothing with the way this is going.
EV, Not interested in owning one