One thing I’ve learned to consider when speaking of other life forms is whatever they are they most likely exist under different conditions than us. Who knows If they have bodies, speak language, have culture, need food and water to survive, etc. Atmospheric conditions are different across the universe so if they do thrive they exist under different environments than us. Also if we were ever to meet how would we communicate?
You're on the right path there.. The communicate isn't as much of an issue because we don't need to for meeting. But exactly.. To think we can even see them is another.. We and our ecosystems life develops different types of sight in the same environment.. Cats can,see urine glowing, scorpions GLOW to them.. We can't imagine the extent of what we can't see.. Radiation for one
No, we would not communicate with it...we would blast it and kill it. Humans don't even communicate with humans. Look at all the wars over our lifetime. We are the hostile species. Wr will eliminate ourselves with our own technology.
jondrew55 Oh, I’m not mad at him for cashing in. I would too. I’m just not spending my cash on the inevitable subscription even if it starts for free. I’m holding on to my cash because I have less than Joe. 🤣
@@peterparter69 he clearly doesn’t understand what Brian was saying. I’ve followed Greene for the past two decades. He’s a genius. Joe doesn’t realize that Brian is saying that in order for intelligent aliens to be advanced enough to contact us, they’d be so advanced that they wouldn’t bother to do so. It would be like humans trying to start a conversation with fruit flies. He doesn’t understand scale. A lot of people that aren’t exactly intellectually endowed lack that ability, which is important when talking about these topics.
A few possibilities here; 1. They have visited us in the past, observed, collected data/samples and left ( Prime Directive prevents them from interfering ) 2. They are so far away that even at FTL they may take too long to reach us 3. Their definition of Sentient life is completely different from ours hence we are being ignored. 4. They are waiting for us to reach a certain level on the Kardashev scale before they initiate contact 5. There are no wormholes nearby us, making it impossible for them to reach us ( assuming they can traverse them ) 6. They have been trying to communicate with us, we are not able to understand their signal. Feel free to add to this list with your thoughts, however crazy they may seem.
7. Given the amount of energy involved, they could only spend circa 24 hours to try and communicate during their semi-doomed 1977 Wow! Signal attempt. Hence why all subsequent attempts of ours failed to hear them again. Not too crazy. Especially if you believe that civilizations tend to kill themselves off before getting 'too' advanced. So they really can't harness insane amounts of energy like the Dyson Sphere would allow for. The strongest argument I can think of against my own theory is that they'd surely be smart enough to space out their attempts to communicate with us, anticipating we couldn't always be listening. However, the energy required is extensive. And no source is truly unlimited. They're all finite. Even wind and solar. Furthermore 1977 Wow! Signal didn't contain modulation which I'm lead to believe means it contained no attempts to convey information (that we can understand, anyway).
There is another factor that is often overlooked. Bedsides the distance to be traversed and the evolution of the aliens, along with ours, there is the issue of species lifespan. How long does an intelligent species last vs. less intelligent species? I hypothesize that dinosaurs, etc, lived here for millions of years because they relied on instinct and were not as vulnerable to extinction as humans are. There is already evidence that humans were on the brink of extinction several times, so the question is, how long will we survive? I believe that - 1) it is exceedingly rare to find life on planets, multiplied by millions to find intelligent life 2) That intelligent life has more species span issues that more base forms of life 3) It takes way too long to become galaxy travelers (if at all) 4) We are limited by physics in the distance/time it takes to travel 5) Most, if not all intelligent life is extinct before they can travel that far 6) To find that level of intelligent life, near us in proximity as also in developing during the same million years or so that we existed, is beyond a reasonable chance.
1. Aliens are so far away that neither civilization has detected the other's transmissions. 2. Alien transmissions are of a kind that we cannot detect or haven't discovered. 3. Aliens sent transmissions, but no human life or technology existed to receive it and now those aliens have gone extinct.
Complex and intelligent life is extremely rare to be created naturally and to persist that it makes us the only intelligent life in the Milky Way galaxy
@@kfireven Since we have not encountered any advanced life-form till date, we obviously believe that Humans are the most advanced/complex form of life. Maybe, there are far more complex and advanced forms of life in the Galaxy which for a number of reasons do not / would not want to interact with us. I refuse to believe that we are the only form of Sentient life in the Galaxy. Statistically, that possibility is almost null.
Well it was quite informative, I hadn’t thought of the point that aliens would “zoom in with there telescope” and see an earth from thousands of years ago due to the speed of travel.
Every alien from every movie or book has an element of humanity along with it in its physical form. We can’t even begin to imagine what they can look like.
There's a possibility, that aliens have already visited us, and they can even be still observing us. It's just humans' sensory detection and consciousness are too primitive to even notice their existence. They could exist in higher dimensions and observe from higher forms of consciousness, or they could just come in the form of birds. Just like observing some ants through a hidden camera lens, they won't even know there are humans behind it.
TheTTguy no be doesn’t. He holds on to the belief that we are important to aliens... because he himself can’t conceptualise how far advanced the other guy is describing. If we are talking about a GALACTIC race to think they would be interested in a mere planetary race surely is illogical. To get to being a galactic race they’re lightyears ahead of us in terms of technology and evolution. What could they learn from a planetary species that they have probably seen/ experienced or tested an infinite number of times over? Typical ego of human beings thinking we are more than what we are... basically bacteria.
Quality Work technological advancement grows at an exponential rate at a factor of roughy 10 so your calculations is off dramatically. It won’t take that long to become a galactic race. Secondly, technological advancement might go in different direction in terms of expansion, there are theories that suggest that technologically superior species might go nano as it is way more efficient.thirdly, to base your idea of what an extremely advanced civilisation might be curious about is stupid non the less as it’s all theory. Lastly(in my opinion), if I was apart of a galactic civilisation I would want to know who the fuck lives in my crib and detail everything in between because I can.
Great comment bud. Pretty envious of Mr Rogan for that very reason if im being honest. The 100 mill would be nice but the knowledge, experience and interest offered by what he has created for himself is really the golden egg
@@craigthorpe2327 He’s had people he’s disagreed with on the show, like that adam dude I forgot his name but he has that show called everything sucks or something like that. I mean if I had a podcast, the entertainment would come from having my friends and the informing would come from respectable sources I had no reason to argue against. His podcast isn’t centralised around his political beliefs
I absolutely LOVE that Brian Greene isn't the type of Scientist that speaks matter of factly as if our limited human point of reference is the end all be all... Its so refreshing for him to say "not that I'm aware of." I think this is the type of humility and curiosity needed for Science to take that proverbial Quantum Leap... The second someone thinks they know it all, they leave absolutely no room for discovery. Kudos 👏🏾 💯
I agree because I am a know-it-all. I have been told that many times, so I have acknowledged it. However, I am in good company, well not actually because the company that I am in is Socrates. He was a know it all most of his life, but in the end he said that the one thing that he knew was that he did not know anything. I have come to that same conclusion. Ignorance really is bliss because it is a clean slate just waiting for so much information to be written on it. We are all ignorant.
I agree with Brian Greene. Some aliens can probably crazy technology, or ability to transform matter. Our civilisation on Kardashev scale might be extremely common on a galactic or universal scale. Type 2 civilisations and beyond might be incredibly rare.
Agreed, plus, as Brian says, they will be far away and thus observe earth at a much earlier time and in terms of evolution even a few thousand/million years is an incredible difference.
But why would you assume that, based on how exponential our technology has increased, we are well on our way to becoming one of these civilizations. So id imagine there are plenty out there, I think it more has to do with how big the universe is, I don’t think we can even comprehend it
Here here! Love that aliens wouldn't have an interest. Such a funny perspective. Even though they've been visiting for millions of years and have been responsible for the growth of this planet. Watching us constantly. But a great outlook 😂
Citizen Beeswax I see your point and you’re right as a singular being one person doesn’t have the power to change the greater scale of things but every tree started as a seed and where one set of eyes travel so will another set and eventually there will be enough eyes on the smaller picture that will in turn alter the bigger picture.
@TJ Thunder from an outsider's pov someone on psychedelics looks idiotic and mindless but we know that's not the case. Personally couldn't stare at a dead cockroach but you do you
Joe completely misunderstood the argument. What he thinks is interesting is a big nothingburger to life forms that have figured out intergalactic travel. Nuclear weapons? Lol. They would consider them junk toys.
@@MrJamberee I for one am glad extraterrestrials haven't invaded Earth. They would enslave us. However I wouldn't mind if they domesticate us like Porno for Pyros sang about in "Pets".
I really enjoyed this conversation because you both expressed points that differ. Neither one of you are phased by that different opinion and just except it as just that. Fantastic boys 👍
Never fall into the appeal to authority fallacy. Just because someone is studying something doesn't mean your question and ideas are not valid or that the person doesn't have tunnel vision about some subject.....or, the person in question isn't full of shit. Example, just because someone writes a book about something doesn't mean he doesn't have an hidden agenda and his books isn't full of crap.
@@JustaGuy2.0 Good point. Another variation is the "Appeal of False Authority" fallacy which occurs when I say we should listen to an expert even though that person's area of expertise (e.g. physics) is not relevant to the question at hand (e.g. whether or not intelligent lifeforms like to look at dumb stuff).
One of the things I really like about this conversation is how they can disagree with each other and continue having a productive and meaningful discussion.
Yeah but joe is wrong 😂 keeps trying to act like a human looking at butterflies is analogous with a galaxy spanning alien race looking at one of thousands of verminous primitive races
He has the degree. YOU DON'T. what the fuck is up with this generation thinking they should have a valued opinion on something they have never studied. GOOGLE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GENIUS
@@AdairCruzify Surely you are wrong mate. Google does make you a genius. You can literally find millions of books in google which a university library can not provide. You can find scholarly answers from thousands of scientists and experts if you google it which is completely devoid in universities. In universities you only get answers from one or two experts on the topics. You can take thousand of online courses offered by Mit, Harvard, Stanford. I am a data scientist working at Walmart now. I am completely self taught and learned everything online mate. And I have found many people in my data science field with degrees from university who have less understanding than me. If you have deep interest in something then google it. You will find it. Degree does not make you powerful. Those degrees are just a sheet of paper. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering but I never had a knack for it. I had almost forgotten everything what I have learnt 6 years ago. But I have learnt about General relativity through online courses and I still remember. Pretty hard stuff though. I had to learn tensor analysis for GM theory.
Mud Puppy But in appearance it’s pretty much the same, isn’t it? Whether through genetics or hairstyle choice, I would consider a hairless head a bald head.
Ah yeah, the good ol' days, when people talked AND listened. It's much more efficient now, where people talk AT you and then just hit you with a bike lock.
I think it was so good because the guy wasn’t talking out of his ass. Or unsure about the topic he was elaborating on, instead they expanded each others views on that matter somewhat
John W preach brother.... it’s very disheartening where the art of conversation is going. I went from dating young to dating old purely based on that, not by choice either.
The argument is more like: we don’t seek to investigate and interact with every ant hill in the entire Amazon rainforest. we know many exist, but we don’t feel the need to seek them all out. Planet earth might be as common as an ant hill in the rainforest to more Advanced beings
Also, we assume that humans are the measure for everything, and it becomes easy to believe that what we do as a species is impressive and highly advanced, even though we are still very flawed. Meanwhile, these other species might have grown past religion, politics, and other things which we think are fundamental, but to them it can be considered "primitive". Therefore, they might know it is too soon and possibly not worth to communicate with us.
@@ManikandtanCK Exactly, if we had contact from anything extraterrestrial we would be learning and observing more than what they would be. I imagine it would not be very productive for them unless they wanted our resources, but our resources might not even be useful for them or necessary lol. So in other words, why even bother?
Yes you are correct about why no contact. Alien civilizations may think of as Ants in intelligence or too hostile, they may be too far away to even know we are here and visa versa, or there is no other intelligent life in our Universe, we are unique. As the movie "Contact" says at the end of the movie "If there is no other intelligent life in our Universe, then it sure is a awful waste of Space".
Chris Ruiz Alpha Centauri, and the Zeta Reticuli system are both confirmed to have planets within the habitable zones, and they are within that radius. That’s two planets older than ours within the habitable zones of their nearest stars.
Why haven't Aliens visited us? This question presumes that multiple scenarios exist such as :- 1) There are alien species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humans. As far as we are concerned, we could be the only one and other species have yet to develop, are in their infancy, or exist in another galaxy. 2) Presumes that they are aware of our presence. It's possible they are out there but still have yet to discover humanity. 3) Presumes that some form of advanced Interstellar technology is possible. We have theories on how to build such devices but they require ridiculous levels of energy to function. It's possible that such devices are impossible to build so alien civilizations are stuck on their home star system . 4) Presumes that they must have a reason to visit Earth or communicate with humanity. As Greene said, they are smart enough that we have nothing to offer them or some galactic law prevents them from communicating with primitive species. 5) Presumes that we haven't made contact before. They could have arrived to Earth many years before but the evidence was either never documented, withered away through history, or was destroyed. 6) Presumes that we aren't actively communicating now. It's possible that aliens are only communicating with our higher levels of authority such as the government and such information is kept secret for whatever reason. These are what I could think of.
Cause it doesn't seem like a legitimate argument. Humans are capable of reasoning and critical thinking unlike any other animal there is. We're able to create and evolve and have a level of awareness that aliens would and should find fascinating enough to study. However, I already believe alien life is monitoring us. I am more than confident that alien life has already visited earth and monitors from a distances. Some theories suggest that we were even placed on this planet by aliens as an experiment to see how we'd evolve and adapt and create societies.
@@josephBo I agree honestly. Reminds me of Prometheus. But that always made sense to me. They could have started our life.. then visited a few times.. out ancestors wouldn't know the term alien, they would have used God. And I am sure they continued watching. Probably still are. But just like people who study nature they don't interfere and just observe. 🤷🏼♀️ Idk makes sense to me.
@@savannahjohnson633 People are just very dismissive of the word "alien" if you bring it up in discussion. There is almost an undeniable amount of proof that shows that aliens have at one point or another visited our planet. I firmly believe they still monitor us and visit us quite frequently
Why “should” they be interested in us? We aren’t entitled to that simply because we are the smartest species on this planet. Monkeys reason and interact exactly as we do, just nowhere near the scale or the intelligence that we have. I think it’s really important to remember that aliens, who I believe are probably monitoring us too, are probably interested in us in the same way that we are interested in monkeys. And, the best thing for us, from their perspective is to leave us alone and let us grow and figure our shit out before they give us any sort of introduction at all. but also, consider the fact that any alien that is able to monitor us without us knowing, visit us without us knowing, or even get to this planet, has a level of technology so far beyond hours, that we cannot even conceive of its origins.
@@pintobiscuit theres always the one guy saying nonsense like joe not getting credit the hell with that no one expects rogan is gonna ask stupid questions and he gets shit load of money lol
I thought it was well known that Aliens visited Earth about 4000 years ago from across the galaxy. And, with their incredible, super sophisticated, faster than light, anti-gravity technology they showed the Ancient Egyptians how to pile stones on top of each other to make a pyramid. The Ancient Egyptians were very grateful and admitted they would never have thought of that
I still can’t get over the fact we’re on a floating rock in the middle of infinite darkness. People say they don’t believe in magic. Well folks, magic is all around us.
The problem with Joe’s argument is he is assuming that aliens would have the same curiosity as humans. “The thing about aliens is, they’re alien.” - Gregory Benford.
Please tell me you guys know it takes electricity or some kind of energy source to stay warm in space and that power sources are not gonna last a whole trip if solar panels get less power as you leave a star. Aliens must follow the same rules of physics as us.
That's as false as it gets, evolution is driven by science, which it self is fueled by curiosity.....so every intelligent lifeform out there possess this characteristic!
Joe is such an interesting host and bring such good guests too educate himself in what's his interested at wish i could have that but im quite sure might be some life out there but as so far we haven't discovered anything even though universe is massive there should have been some lifeforms and would have had interacted with us for knowledge or making sure we don't do bad things too our earth.
I so enjoy you asking all the questions I would. Thank Joe 7:34 and thank you to your guest. I'm enjoying his observatio n s and his humanising science. 8:41
What if there’s another planet out there like us who are more technologically advanced than us and they do the same. We just wouldn’t be that interesting anymore. So they would go check them out. Maybe when the aliens first discovered us it was interesting for a while but then when we stopped making crazy technology and started to not advance our technology like we use to. Than they got bored and moved on. I mean c’mon man the last thing that probably impressed them was the freaking moon landing. Which was back in 1969 of July. What else is there besides military drones or iPhones? The rail gun? Which is probably a primitive weapon compared to theirs.
There’s two issues involved here. One is the advanced civilization going out of their way to interact with us, and two, us detecting their existence/activity regardless of whether they’re interested in us. If they’re not interested, which is debatable, why haven’t we detected their existence? This remains unanswered.
@@alexh1524 Think about the factors of why that is. 1 = speed of light (When we see very distant habitable planets we determine if they have a decent chance for intelligent and complex life forms, we see them as they were hundreds of thousands often millions of years ago). because light has a speed 2 = Our Current Technology in 2022 Its like what, 63 years ago since we landed on the hecking moon. it is all a axcellerating process where we get more and more advanced with a rapid growth, look at any chart about human development. like everything is skyrocketing. Id bet my halfgrown mustache on that in minimum 30 (It may be alot less) years we have actually Discovered Legit evidence of life on another planet. with the use of either the James webb telescope or some entirely new model directed towards scanning planets 3 = an Analogy to illustrate my point If you say you doubt there is other lifeforms on other planets in space. it will be like if you go to the sea with a tea spoon, to scoop it up with water, then determingly claiming you have proven whales dont exist "Because then if they do, why have i not found any in my spoon"
I ask, not because I’m convinced one way or the other, but because it appears to be a legitimate question. I understand that civilizations that started at around our time would not be detectable because of the vast distances. I ask about civilizations that could have sprung up millions or billions of years before us.
@@alexh1524 Yee i understand. but the thing is, we havent seen them because they dont show up yet, for us they dont exist yet. Advanced lifeforms like us are probably very rare in space, so it has to be a huge distance between us. therefore we cant see them because the light takes so long to travel. with James weeb they zoom millions of light years, to investigate the forming of early galaxies Even if some civilizations are far far beyond us on a technological scale. Light speed travel is kind of impossible, because it destroys our biological cells, and probably disrupts other mechanics
And the fact that we're not dead yet means that for those civiliztions to survive to that advanced point, they must have mastered a strong moral code. Or at least have a very good utilitarian reason not to destoy us.
Wow that’s why they are here and I have seen amazing things don’t take my word for it watch the pertagons video of tic tax ufo and if it can disappear in less than a second of 25 miles, which it did the CO of the flight group that saw this thing said in less than a second and they have visibility of at least 20 miles at the altitude at least they could see it disappear into a lil dot but this thing disappeared in less than a second so they are here and who are you to say why. And btw why idk do you ? Oh please please talk as if you kno something else
Daniel Zeuli lol go home your drunk. I’ve had this conversation n then some while stoned. Screw hallucinations, this is actually open minded dialogue occurring not just seeing stuff that isn’t there lol total difference
Considering how interested we are in microbiology on other planets I don’t agree with Brian Green‘s hypothesis that we just aren’t advanced enough for alien civilizations to be curious about us
One thing often overlooked when discussing possible advanced civilizations is the possibility or even probability that technology itself is a threat to survival. The more ability we have to control our environment creates a greater ability to destroy it. Why would anyone assume it is different in another part of the universe? I think that is an obstacle for every civilization that ever existed.
I think the notion of "intelligence always equals technology" itself might not necessarily be correct. I think intelligence needs other factors for technology to advance, say... population density/overpopulation for example. The American Indians were in balance with their environment. Their technology didn't advance much at all over 10,000 yrs compared to Europe and Asia. Dolphins are highly intelligent. Where are the dolphin cities? Why don't they use tools? They have no need for them.
@@Samuel-th6fw I think Brian's argument was more that they might have had those interests at an earlier development but have long since transcended those types of interests when they became 'galactic'.
yeah cause in deep part of our mind we hope there are different versions of our species, so what he means is if other humans but much more advanced were looking at us, u know ?
@@Nahsra58 because the physicist is providing numbers (time) to back up his explanation. Joe is just asking "but why" as his response to the physicists explanations. Joe is really not capturing what the physicist is trying to explain
The thing I always say when people wonder why we haven't discovered Alien life is even more simple than that. If the Universe all started at the same time, every other life form out there started at the same point as we did. So why would we assume any other civilizations are any further ahead than we are? I know things could have taken different paths and evolved more quickly, etc. but that has always been my thought.
Although, it is beginning to look like we have been around a lot longer than initially thought, but have blown ourselves up or whatever several times and reset our progress back to square one. So maybe while the rest of the universe has managed to not kill themselves repeatedly, they were able to continue developing uninterrupted unlike us.
The problem is that everyone puts the process of aliens visiting us in a box. Everyone thinks it’s gotta be like the movies, with a big spaceship coming to earth. If a super advanced life form out in the universe can figure out inter dimensional space travel, they can figure out how to observe us without us ever evening knowing. They could be watching us in a fourth or fifth dimension, in some way we can’t even comprehend.
Good thoughts, it’s like how people interpret angels and demons as actually being aliens because they’re present but on a different plane on existence. But how does that’ shit work?
Think about this.. If humans didn't have noses, then we would have no idea that scent/smell is a thing. Similarly, if we didn't have ears, would we know sound/noise exists? So imagine what other senses there are that we can't experience because the human body just doesn't have the tools for it.
They completely forgot to talk about the fact, that other civilizations in space might be very dangerous. So except from some predatory species there might only two other kinds of civilizations out there: those still unable to reach into the sky and the dead ones.
2 Aliens in a spaceship observing Earth - 1st Alien "I see Humanity has developed nuclear weapons." 2nd Alien "But are they dangerous?" 1st Alien "I don't think so, they have them all pointed at each other."
Gbfk7 other intelligent life possibly looking to attack their planet, not point it at each other as humans look to kill our own species because of religion race and standards of living
One interesting point of view is that just because 'we' find a picture of an orangutan spearfishing - 'interesting' doesn't necessarily mean that some other civilization finds 'us' interesting. It's a very human centric idea that joe keeps proposing .
Franklin A Rogers same here. I had to rewind several times in many places in the convo to try to understand what he was saying. Super intriguing though
Commander Cooks I think this physicist is wrong about this alien theory; I mean scientists are more interested in things than the average person is, and scientists will try to make others interested. Scientists are literally interested in watching two particles hit each other at light speeds, just because they can do it.
For real lol he’s putting these very well thought out ideas to joe and he’s just like “nah bro we’re the shit, they definitely want to come see us” lmaoo
@@brytonwallis4817 His point though is in 10,000+ years or 1 billion years or however further advanced that alien species is, whatever human life turns into would no longer be interested in crashing 2 particles together, or physics in general. Even the scientists. It would likely all be figured out, or we would at least be on the next thing after physics and so on.
@The Monotone Man An alien species 1 billion years more advanced would no longer have use for laughter, or even entertainment. It would all be a waste of their time.
ifitscool Yup. Joe is thinking 2020 human and not 700000000 life. “Well we’re interested with butterflies... why wouldn’t they be interested in us?” Well because the differences between us and a butterfly is much more fascinating than humans on earth in 2020 and aliens that are billions of years into modernization.
@@ITRIEDEL Doesn't explain anything either. If life and advancement of technology is common we're talking anything from hundreds to millions of different alien species from different worlds, with different cultures, values and interests. Each civilization with populations most likely well in the hundreds of trillions and more. And none of these civilizations, not even just a group among these trillions upon trillions of individuals has found us interesting? I can only make it plausible in a very specific and unlikely scenario where one civilization conquered everyone else and this specfic society isn't interested in other species and they're only waiting to destroy or conquer us because it's not necessary or ideal yet. But that's an extremely unlike scenario and the society would have to be so old we'd still be stuck with the question of why we're not seeing their ancient expansion when looking at the stars. Or maybe life and advancement of technology is *not* common. But wouldn't that make us interesting in itself? And can we even imagine intelligent life developing technology without at least some form of curiosity?
Vlad - animals don’t find humans interesting. They see us as just threats or instrumental to their survival. thinking the way a human thinks and thinking with a prefrontal cortex assumes these possibilities. It’s easy to assume we’re interesting because we’re all we know. Aliens could have a completely different thought process - beyond all understanding especially if they are advanced beyond our comprehension. They don’t have similar traits. Technology and advancement may be the forefront of their existence. If there were an alien life form with an economy and structure similar to ours would likely find us interesting because based on these variables they are similar, but the chances an alien life form similar to us that happens to “discover” us is extremely rare considering all the possibilities from no aliens to aliens that have discovered time jumps or something similar,
I tend to agree that any advanced society would be sufficiently “interested” in life forms on other planets. In fact, the more advanced they are, the less there is to discover and learn on their home world and they’ve looked outward to other stars and planets as we’ve done. Though it’s highly likely they’re not interested enough to take massively long and strenuous journeys to visit us.
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If they exist in a different dimension that would explain a lot,maybe,i think...
I mean interestingly, even if Aliens did show up on Earth, they probably wouldn’t even be able to hear us because their ears (if they have them) didn’t form under the parameters of our atmosphere
The train of thought at the beginning seems to suggest that at least Joe thinks they might be future humans. The famous Grays are the logical result of our current trend of shrinking in size and strength while increasing our brain size, and perhaps their skin color is an effect of different lighting conditions.
Why would they even want to see us? What if these things are older than we can comprehend? Maybe we're just another graduating middleschool class to them
I stopped at "Aliens aren’t human" said who ? if there is a planet like earth (high % that there is more than just one) where life on it started thousands of years before ours and we all know same conditions MOST OF THE TIMES give same results so yes maybe not the humans we know now (btw, if a black person in middle of Africa who only saw black people all his life and you show an Asian to him, he will think that he's not like him an he's not human ) so this "human" thingy is debatable, what if planet earth humans in thousands of years will look different too ? we already look different from our ancestors don't we ?
But we can detect stuff that we can't percieve, like ultra violet and super high pitch, so if an civilization which is millions years ahead of us exists, they might understand our perceptions in how see and percieve everything around us.
I’ve dealt with an incredible amount of turmoil and pain within ONE year…these guys toss around a “handful of billion” years, like it’s nothing. I’m not buying it!
Great point, but it is entirely possible that some sort of wormhole or natural galactic port that can allow inter dimensional travel within their area, crazy theory, just a thought though.
Tyler Jacobson assuming the life is close by galactic standards still the amount of energy necessary to make and interstellar trip is so enormous so technically what green is describing there’s no incentive to spend trillions of dollars to see an ant colony destroying itself
Our cosmic neighbourhood in the galaxy could be in the radius of 3000 light years and just with current technology to make the trip to alpha century 4.5 light years away it would take us 75 ....... THOUSAND YEARS
@StenXa Theoretically, infinite size means there's at least one possibility. But i would like to see one before dying just say to myself that there is sentient life on other planet.
StenXa it would be foolish to believe we are the only life form there’s so many planets out there and we’re supposed to assume our planet was the only one to get life forms?
Nah, Joe has heard that from every physicist he’s ever talked to...some say its got a foundation, others have said it’s just being fashionable to be so cynical about Earthlings
Ikr, it's not that difficult to grasp that first of all, if a civilization is advanced enough to visit us, it's most likely that their knowledge about evolutionary science is way beyond us and possibly to the point that studying us might just be redundant for them
DESIREMORE I wonder if he is attempting to simplify his true thoughts. When experts talk to other experts they can assume that the other already knows quite a bit in the field but when talking to someone such as joe he likely needs to change his approach to explaining things
When you are an expert in a complex field like physics you have to be careful about how much you say and how you say it. It is really easy to lose your audience with concepts that are simple to you but make very little sense to the average person. Brian was being really polite, but could have blown up Joe's arguments if he wanted to.
Except that we DO hang out on Ant Hills, and we do study lower lifeforms, so that explanation holds no water. Plus if you ask a lot of people we have been visited and frequently.
It's like watching a middle school teacher who is trying to gently get around the fact that all of the kids are answering his questions completely wrong. "Weeellll that's an interesting thought, Timmy, buuut...."
Maybe the aliens think humans are really hot, but they're too nervous to come say hello.
I just wanna put out there, if any alien girls got a crush on me, lemme know
👽👉👈
Rud you know you want that alien man meat hotboi
Chris Dinelli maybe alien girls have their own shmeat
Story of my life 😅😂🤣
I think aliens lock their doors when they drive past Earth.
Earth the Tijuana of the galaxy
Roll em up!!!!
@Joe Sudz I'll just grab my towel.
@@Thisisaweirdthing2makeusdo Remain calm
@@mattmrc resistance is futile
One thing I’ve learned to consider when speaking of other life forms is whatever they are they most likely exist under different conditions than us. Who knows If they have bodies, speak language, have culture, need food and water to survive, etc. Atmospheric conditions are different across the universe so if they do thrive they exist under different environments than us. Also if we were ever to meet how would we communicate?
You're on the right path there.. The communicate isn't as much of an issue because we don't need to for meeting.
But exactly.. To think we can even see them is another.. We and our ecosystems life develops different types of sight in the same environment.. Cats can,see urine glowing, scorpions GLOW to them.. We can't imagine the extent of what we can't see.. Radiation for one
No, we would not communicate with it...we would blast it and kill it. Humans don't even communicate with humans. Look at all the wars over our lifetime. We are the hostile species. Wr will eliminate ourselves with our own technology.
@@mandelorean6243 Meh, if they're carbon-based life, and in all likelihood they would be, then we'd be able to see them, and them us.
How are you so sure they are most likely carbon based? Thats literally the counter point. Your beliefs arent equal to truth.@@Cosmo-Kramer
I've followed Brian Greene since the 90s and the guy definitely knows his stuff and is an excellent communicator.
Yeah, he looks like an average Joe but he's a special Brian.
Suck it!
Brian: You're absolutely right Joe.
Joe: I disagree.
@Shinta he is a dumbass though
Joe is not afraid of speaking his mind or looking dumb in front of obviously smarter people for the sake of a good and enjoyable debate.
but they didn't agree with eachother ...
@d b your comment is a reflection of how dumb you are. Wtf is up with all those commas.. dumb ass
@MrTruboy No, that malformed sentence is.
Joe cannot accept that the aliens are just not that into him.
TAO TAO wait till he hits Spotify. Then no one will give a shit
jondrew55 😂🤣😂🤣😂 you mean to tell me you’re not subscribed?
Yeah. Same here.
TAO TAO truth is I have tons of respect for Joe. He built his podcast from dirt, and if he’s cashing in more power to him.
jondrew55 Oh, I’m not mad at him for cashing in. I would too. I’m just not spending my cash on the inevitable subscription even if it starts for free. I’m holding on to my cash because I have less than Joe. 🤣
Haaaaaaahhaaha
I love how smart Joe is on all aspects of knowledge in general
He is humble and curious.
hahahahaha bahaha I assume you are being sarcastic
?? You don’t think someone with over 2,000 interviews isn’t a smart person?
@@peterparter69 he clearly doesn’t understand what Brian was saying. I’ve followed Greene for the past two decades. He’s a genius. Joe doesn’t realize that Brian is saying that in order for intelligent aliens to be advanced enough to contact us, they’d be so advanced that they wouldn’t bother to do so. It would be like humans trying to start a conversation with fruit flies. He doesn’t understand scale. A lot of people that aren’t exactly intellectually endowed lack that ability, which is important when talking about these topics.
Hes a genius. I think he should be presinedt
A few possibilities here;
1. They have visited us in the past, observed, collected data/samples and left ( Prime Directive prevents them from interfering )
2. They are so far away that even at FTL they may take too long to reach us
3. Their definition of Sentient life is completely different from ours hence we are being ignored.
4. They are waiting for us to reach a certain level on the Kardashev scale before they initiate contact
5. There are no wormholes nearby us, making it impossible for them to reach us ( assuming they can traverse them )
6. They have been trying to communicate with us, we are not able to understand their signal.
Feel free to add to this list with your thoughts, however crazy they may seem.
7. Given the amount of energy involved, they could only spend circa 24 hours to try and communicate during their semi-doomed 1977 Wow! Signal attempt. Hence why all subsequent attempts of ours failed to hear them again.
Not too crazy. Especially if you believe that civilizations tend to kill themselves off before getting 'too' advanced. So they really can't harness insane amounts of energy like the Dyson Sphere would allow for.
The strongest argument I can think of against my own theory is that they'd surely be smart enough to space out their attempts to communicate with us, anticipating we couldn't always be listening. However, the energy required is extensive. And no source is truly unlimited. They're all finite. Even wind and solar.
Furthermore 1977 Wow! Signal didn't contain modulation which I'm lead to believe means it contained no attempts to convey information (that we can understand, anyway).
There is another factor that is often overlooked. Bedsides the distance to be traversed and the evolution of the aliens, along with ours, there is the issue of species lifespan. How long does an intelligent species last vs. less intelligent species? I hypothesize that dinosaurs, etc, lived here for millions of years because they relied on instinct and were not as vulnerable to extinction as humans are. There is already evidence that humans were on the brink of extinction several times, so the question is, how long will we survive? I believe that - 1) it is exceedingly rare to find life on planets, multiplied by millions to find intelligent life 2) That intelligent life has more species span issues that more base forms of life 3) It takes way too long to become galaxy travelers (if at all) 4) We are limited by physics in the distance/time it takes to travel 5) Most, if not all intelligent life is extinct before they can travel that far 6) To find that level of intelligent life, near us in proximity as also in developing during the same million years or so that we existed, is beyond a reasonable chance.
1. Aliens are so far away that neither civilization has detected the other's transmissions.
2. Alien transmissions are of a kind that we cannot detect or haven't discovered.
3. Aliens sent transmissions, but no human life or technology existed to receive it and now those aliens have gone extinct.
Complex and intelligent life is extremely rare to be created naturally and to persist that it makes us the only intelligent life in the Milky Way galaxy
@@kfireven Since we have not encountered any advanced life-form till date, we obviously believe that Humans are the most advanced/complex form of life.
Maybe, there are far more complex and advanced forms of life in the Galaxy which for a number of reasons do not / would not want to interact with us.
I refuse to believe that we are the only form of Sentient life in the Galaxy. Statistically, that possibility is almost null.
*Joe pulls off mask to reveal he is an alien*
“Here’s why I don’t buy that”
Lmao
That’s exactly how I saw that....all coiled up and showing true self...
"Here's why I don't buy that Again"
I laughed out loud at this
Lol
This had nothing to do with aliens, this was all about how to disagree politely
@Ali Desch 🤣Beat me.
More politicians need to take notes on “how to”
@Ali Desch I wish I could save comments
Lol
Well it was quite informative, I hadn’t thought of the point that aliens would “zoom in with there telescope” and see an earth from thousands of years ago due to the speed of travel.
Every alien from every movie or book has an element of humanity along with it in its physical form. We can’t even begin to imagine what they can look like.
There's a possibility, that aliens have already visited us, and they can even be still observing us. It's just humans' sensory detection and consciousness are too primitive to even notice their existence. They could exist in higher dimensions and observe from higher forms of consciousness, or they could just come in the form of birds. Just like observing some ants through a hidden camera lens, they won't even know there are humans behind it.
Joe is such a good conversationalist. It comes so naturally to him.
I think the drugs make it easy for him to open his mind up lol
He's also had a lot of practice now after so many podcasts
@@davemustaki134 wtf does that even mean? It's like ppl just want to knock him bc it became popular but the arguments make no sense.
@@adamt5 it means drugs open up your mind to possibilities and theories
Physicist: I’m a physicist
Joe Rogan: I disagree
The physicist is not talking about physics though is he? Rogan holds his own here.
TheTTguy no be doesn’t. He holds on to the belief that we are important to aliens... because he himself can’t conceptualise how far advanced the other guy is describing. If we are talking about a GALACTIC race to think they would be interested in a mere planetary race surely is illogical. To get to being a galactic race they’re lightyears ahead of us in terms of technology and evolution. What could they learn from a planetary species that they have probably seen/ experienced or tested an infinite number of times over? Typical ego of human beings thinking we are more than what we are... basically bacteria.
@@Brownwall well we observe bacteria and viruses so your argument is flawed in itself.
Humans always assume they are the most important thing out there.
Quality Work technological advancement grows at an exponential rate at a factor of roughy 10 so your calculations is off dramatically. It won’t take that long to become a galactic race. Secondly, technological advancement might go in different direction in terms of expansion, there are theories that suggest that technologically superior species might go nano as it is way more efficient.thirdly, to base your idea of what an extremely advanced civilisation might be curious about is stupid non the less as it’s all theory. Lastly(in my opinion), if I was apart of a galactic civilisation I would want to know who the fuck lives in my crib and detail everything in between because I can.
Joe brings great guests to educate himself on the things he’s interested in. Honestly that’s a dream job
Great comment bud. Pretty envious of Mr Rogan for that very reason if im being honest. The 100 mill would be nice but the knowledge, experience and interest offered by what he has created for himself is really the golden egg
@@IDontknow-ot4cj agreed
He brings in no opposition.. imagine being able to pick your battles everyday
@@craigthorpe2327 He’s had people he’s disagreed with on the show, like that adam dude I forgot his name but he has that show called everything sucks or something like that. I mean if I had a podcast, the entertainment would come from having my friends and the informing would come from respectable sources I had no reason to argue against. His podcast isn’t centralised around his political beliefs
@@justinkongol0 what even are his political beliefs hes so cryptic and good and not saying it
I absolutely LOVE that Brian Greene isn't the type of Scientist that speaks matter of factly as if our limited human point of reference is the end all be all...
Its so refreshing for him to say "not that I'm aware of." I think this is the type of humility and curiosity needed for Science to take that proverbial Quantum Leap... The second someone thinks they know it all, they leave absolutely no room for discovery.
Kudos 👏🏾 💯
Most scientists say that actually! That is why so much effort is done by scientists to try to quantify the uncertainties of an experiment.
I agree because I am a know-it-all. I have been told that many times, so I have acknowledged it. However, I am in good company, well not actually because the company that I am in is Socrates. He was a know it all most of his life, but in the end he said that the one thing that he knew was that he did not know anything. I have come to that same conclusion. Ignorance really is bliss because it is a clean slate just waiting for so much information to be written on it. We are all ignorant.
I agree with Brian Greene. Some aliens can probably crazy technology, or ability to transform matter. Our civilisation on Kardashev scale might be extremely common on a galactic or universal scale. Type 2 civilisations and beyond might be incredibly rare.
Agreed, plus, as Brian says, they will be far away and thus observe earth at a much earlier time and in terms of evolution even a few thousand/million years is an incredible difference.
But why would you assume that, based on how exponential our technology has increased, we are well on our way to becoming one of these civilizations. So id imagine there are plenty out there, I think it more has to do with how big the universe is, I don’t think we can even comprehend it
Sign of a good scientist allowing everyone’s opinion to count because each perspective helps build a whole picture
Underrated comment
I feel like that describes Joe Rogan a little bit. Like getting all the pieces of the puzzle together before you decide if you like the picture on top
Here here! Love that aliens wouldn't have an interest. Such a funny perspective.
Even though they've been visiting for millions of years and have been responsible for the growth of this planet. Watching us constantly. But a great outlook 😂
@Citizen Beeswax coming from who specifically?
Citizen Beeswax I see your point and you’re right as a singular being one person doesn’t have the power to change the greater scale of things but every tree started as a seed and where one set of eyes travel so will another set and eventually there will be enough eyes on the smaller picture that will in turn alter the bigger picture.
Joe disagrees because he stares at his ant farm for 45 mins when he’s on DMT
😂😂
@TJ Thunder from an outsider's pov someone on psychedelics looks idiotic and mindless but we know that's not the case. Personally couldn't stare at a dead cockroach but you do you
Joe completely misunderstood the argument. What he thinks is interesting is a big nothingburger to life forms that have figured out intergalactic travel. Nuclear weapons? Lol. They would consider them junk toys.
@@MrJamberee I for one am glad extraterrestrials haven't invaded Earth. They would enslave us. However I wouldn't mind if they domesticate us like Porno for Pyros sang about in "Pets".
Dmt?
This was a very intriguing video , two great perspectives!
People just don't consider the time factor we haven't been on top for long
This guy is being very polite to Joe.
Opposite of Neil Tyson Degrasse.
Nahin Khan Neil degrass tyson
@@slob_job2870 Potatoes Patatos.
Nahin Khan soda pop
BIGbby Huey oh hell nah you on that generic shit
I admire how they can disagree with each other in the most respectful way.
@Jane Do Yes.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with somebody. Make somebody convince you until you give into what they say
You should see Joe's debate on weed with that one dude
@Jane Do Ha. Good one.
Smoking weed ain't cool
theres prolly an alternate reality where this video is titled "What if Aliens never visited us"
I really enjoyed this conversation because you both expressed points that differ. Neither one of you are phased by that different opinion and just except it as just that. Fantastic boys 👍
Man spends his entire life studying a subject Joe: I don’t buy that
Well they are talking about aliens... the physicist is obviously the more educated person but it's not like Rogan is disagreeing with him on physics.
That's because Joe is an idiot
Brian Greene spends a lifetime studying physics and cosmology. However, he doesn't spend a lifetime studying aliens because no one has ever seen one.
Never fall into the appeal to authority fallacy.
Just because someone is studying something doesn't mean your question and ideas are not valid or that the person doesn't have tunnel vision about some subject.....or, the person in question isn't full of shit.
Example, just because someone writes a book about something doesn't mean he doesn't have an hidden agenda and his books isn't full of crap.
@@JustaGuy2.0 Good point. Another variation is the "Appeal of False Authority" fallacy which occurs when I say we should listen to an expert even though that person's area of expertise (e.g. physics) is not relevant to the question at hand (e.g. whether or not intelligent lifeforms like to look at dumb stuff).
One of the things I really like about this conversation is how they can disagree with each other and continue having a productive and meaningful discussion.
Yeah but joe is wrong 😂 keeps trying to act like a human looking at butterflies is analogous with a galaxy spanning alien race looking at one of thousands of verminous primitive races
I wouldn’t call it disagreeing, Joe Rogan just likes to throw in a plausible counter to get a better idea of their thought process .
Or he's trying to open him up as an interviewer the way they present the milky way our solar system is close to the center
Citizen Beeswax bruh you serious? 😂
Not taking things personal is the key
That was such a great conversation
I like how Joe actually disagrees instead of just agreeing to everything like most podcasts. Good conversation
I appreciate the physicist not feeling like “Im a physicist and you have no right to disagree” to Joes points. He has my respect.
He has the degree. YOU DON'T. what the fuck is up with this generation thinking they should have a valued opinion on something they have never studied. GOOGLE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GENIUS
Adair Cruz They’re discussing aliens...it’s all speculation dude.
@@bbbgun225 like I said he has a degree for it. He did study so his speculations have a more power behind them than someone who didn't that's all
Adair Cruz For sure. Definitely value this guys opinion higher than Joe’s.
@@AdairCruzify Surely you are wrong mate. Google does make you a genius. You can literally find millions of books in google which a university library can not provide. You can find scholarly answers from thousands of scientists and experts if you google it which is completely devoid in universities. In universities you only get answers from one or two experts on the topics. You can take thousand of online courses offered by Mit, Harvard, Stanford. I am a data scientist working at Walmart now. I am completely self taught and learned everything online mate. And I have found many people in my data science field with degrees from university who have less understanding than me. If you have deep interest in something then google it. You will find it. Degree does not make you powerful. Those degrees are just a sheet of paper. I have a degree in Electrical Engineering but I never had a knack for it. I had almost forgotten everything what I have learnt 6 years ago. But I have learnt about General relativity through online courses and I still remember. Pretty hard stuff though. I had to learn tensor analysis for GM theory.
"you're bald" Joe rogan "I disagree"
He would technically be correct in disagreeing, he still has some hair but he chooses to shave it. 😁
Is a shaved head not considered bald?
Johann: Shaved and bald are different things
Mud Puppy
But in appearance it’s pretty much the same, isn’t it? Whether through genetics or hairstyle choice, I would consider a hairless head a bald head.
Johann: You can almost always tell shaved versus bald unless someone is putting in a lot of effort to razoring their whole dome twice or more a week
The talking monkeys with thermonuclear weapons got me good😂
All these cellphones and nobody has a decent pic of an alien.
I love the back and forth arguments and how they continue to just feed off each other. No tension. Just the give and take of information.
I thought the same thing. I could have listened to that conversation for another hour at least, haha.
Ah yeah, the good ol' days, when people talked AND listened.
It's much more efficient now, where people talk AT you and then just hit you with a bike lock.
I think it was so good because the guy wasn’t talking out of his ass. Or unsure about the topic he was elaborating on, instead they expanded each others views on that matter somewhat
John W preach brother.... it’s very disheartening where the art of conversation is going. I went from dating young to dating old purely based on that, not by choice either.
Really? I thought it was kinda like teacher telling his student no actually that's not quite right...
The argument is more like: we don’t seek to investigate and interact with every ant hill in the entire Amazon rainforest. we know many exist, but we don’t feel the need to seek them all out. Planet earth might be as common as an ant hill in the rainforest to more Advanced beings
Fair enough
Also, we assume that humans are the measure for everything, and it becomes easy to believe that what we do as a species is impressive and highly advanced, even though we are still very flawed.
Meanwhile, these other species might have grown past religion, politics, and other things which we think are fundamental, but to them it can be considered "primitive". Therefore, they might know it is too soon and possibly not worth to communicate with us.
Exactly my thought. We maybe interesting as a specimen, but if such a young species is commonplace, we would be pretty boring for a few millennia.
@@recursion_wiz8762 100% accurate
@@ManikandtanCK Exactly, if we had contact from anything extraterrestrial we would be learning and observing more than what they would be. I imagine it would not be very productive for them unless they wanted our resources, but our resources might not even be useful for them or necessary lol. So in other words, why even bother?
Yes you are correct about why no contact. Alien civilizations may think of as Ants in intelligence or too hostile, they may be too far away to even know we are here and visa versa, or there is no other intelligent life in our Universe, we are unique.
As the movie "Contact" says at the end of the movie "If there is no other intelligent life in our Universe, then it sure is a awful waste of Space".
Joe has done so many of these interviews he's stepped up his questioning game big time. His head has grown accordingly. Respect
Rogan has always been like this, he can adapt to every topics. He's really good at conversation
@@sl9wdive he's always been good but he's clearly been learning from previous encounters and taking it in
You mean because he’s challenging an actual physicist & taking the side of alien conspiracists?
@@kevindube7096 well, yeah. He isn't being obtuse, he's just interested and he's heard lots of information from different sources
@American boi True but they know alot more than me or you
There are some humans that spend their entire life studying ants.
@Chris Ruiz what do you think aliens are doing to us
@Chris Ruiz ok dude
Chris Ruiz How can you be sure?
Chris Ruiz Alpha Centauri, and the Zeta Reticuli system are both confirmed to have planets within the habitable zones, and they are within that radius. That’s two planets older than ours within the habitable zones of their nearest stars.
Robert Smalls yeah but just because they could have life doesn’t mean it’s intelligent life.
Why haven't Aliens visited us? This question presumes that multiple scenarios exist such as :-
1) There are alien species in the Milky Way galaxy other than humans. As far as we are concerned, we could be the only one and other species have yet to develop, are in their infancy, or exist in another galaxy.
2) Presumes that they are aware of our presence. It's possible they are out there but still have yet to discover humanity.
3) Presumes that some form of advanced Interstellar technology is possible. We have theories on how to build such devices but they require ridiculous levels of energy to function. It's possible that such devices are impossible to build so alien civilizations are stuck on their home star system .
4) Presumes that they must have a reason to visit Earth or communicate with humanity. As Greene said, they are smart enough that we have nothing to offer them or some galactic law prevents them from communicating with primitive species.
5) Presumes that we haven't made contact before. They could have arrived to Earth many years before but the evidence was either never documented, withered away through history, or was destroyed.
6) Presumes that we aren't actively communicating now. It's possible that aliens are only communicating with our higher levels of authority such as the government and such information is kept secret for whatever reason.
These are what I could think of.
I like this guy. I think it’s more believable that they’re either way more advanced than us because it’s unlikely they’d be within a couple 1000 years
Joe seems offended that Green is saying aliens aren't interested in us.
Cause it doesn't seem like a legitimate argument. Humans are capable of reasoning and critical thinking unlike any other animal there is. We're able to create and evolve and have a level of awareness that aliens would and should find fascinating enough to study. However, I already believe alien life is monitoring us. I am more than confident that alien life has already visited earth and monitors from a distances. Some theories suggest that we were even placed on this planet by aliens as an experiment to see how we'd evolve and adapt and create societies.
@@josephBo I agree honestly. Reminds me of Prometheus. But that always made sense to me. They could have started our life.. then visited a few times.. out ancestors wouldn't know the term alien, they would have used God. And I am sure they continued watching. Probably still are. But just like people who study nature they don't interfere and just observe. 🤷🏼♀️
Idk makes sense to me.
@@savannahjohnson633 People are just very dismissive of the word "alien" if you bring it up in discussion. There is almost an undeniable amount of proof that shows that aliens have at one point or another visited our planet. I firmly believe they still monitor us and visit us quite frequently
Why “should” they be interested in us? We aren’t entitled to that simply because we are the smartest species on this planet. Monkeys reason and interact exactly as we do, just nowhere near the scale or the intelligence that we have. I think it’s really important to remember that aliens, who I believe are probably monitoring us too, are probably interested in us in the same way that we are interested in monkeys. And, the best thing for us, from their perspective is to leave us alone and let us grow and figure our shit out before they give us any sort of introduction at all. but also, consider the fact that any alien that is able to monitor us without us knowing, visit us without us knowing, or even get to this planet, has a level of technology so far beyond hours, that we cannot even conceive of its origins.
@@josephBo It's very likely. If an alien civilization is advanced enough to manipulate gravity then most likely they've mastered how to create life.
No one's giving Joe credit for asking intriguing questions to a world renowned physicist. Good job Joe.
Yeah good point. Thanks Joe.
@Verenious And he does not share dmt
It’s his job
He actually gets 200 million dollars worth of credit for it
@@pintobiscuit theres always the one guy saying nonsense like joe not getting credit the hell with that no one expects rogan is gonna ask stupid questions and he gets shit load of money lol
Joe, you are a great example as to how boring we really are.
Lmao
I thought it was well known that Aliens visited Earth about 4000 years ago from across the galaxy.
And, with their incredible, super sophisticated, faster than light, anti-gravity technology they showed the Ancient Egyptians how to pile stones on top of each other to make a pyramid.
The Ancient Egyptians were very grateful and admitted they would never have thought of that
I still can’t get over the fact we’re on a floating rock in the middle of infinite darkness. People say they don’t believe in magic. Well folks, magic is all around us.
Zack dat deep
Ok Zack
Or sum
Zack well we’re not “in the middle”, and we don’t know if it’s infinite.
@@glasscleaner4439 Okay glass cleaner
The problem with Joe’s argument is he is assuming that aliens would have the same curiosity as humans. “The thing about aliens is, they’re alien.” - Gregory Benford.
Exactly. Cannot put human logic on aliens
@Bad Cattitude if they are out for resources then earth is not special. But if they want to find other species then there's a possibility
Please tell me you guys know it takes electricity or some kind of energy source to stay warm in space and that power sources are not gonna last a whole trip if solar panels get less power as you leave a star. Aliens must follow the same rules of physics as us.
That's as false as it gets, evolution is driven by science, which it self is fueled by curiosity.....so every intelligent lifeform out there possess this characteristic!
rpm24 so you’ve met them?
Joe is such an interesting host and bring such good guests too educate himself in what's his interested at wish i could have that but im quite sure might be some life out there but as so far we haven't discovered anything even though universe is massive there should have been some lifeforms and would have had interacted with us for knowledge or making sure we don't do bad things too our earth.
I so enjoy you asking all the questions I would. Thank Joe 7:34 and thank you to your guest. I'm enjoying his observatio n s and his humanising science. 8:41
Brian opens his mouth to speak.
Joe: I disagree.
Healthy conversation
@Ali Raza Exactly, same ones that comment this will say that Brendan agrees with everything Joe says, cant make everybody happy lol
Ye, this bold brainiac is unwatchable.
I just dont know how i calmly wach his videos before. I cant stand him now.
"We are not that interesting"
Have you seen Florida man?
Not that interesting
Neanderthalers
What if there’s another planet out there like us who are more technologically advanced than us and they do the same. We just wouldn’t be that interesting anymore. So they would go check them out. Maybe when the aliens first discovered us it was interesting for a while but then when we stopped making crazy technology and started to not advance our technology like we use to. Than they got bored and moved on. I mean c’mon man the last thing that probably impressed them was the freaking moon landing. Which was back in 1969 of July. What else is there besides military drones or iPhones? The rail gun? Which is probably a primitive weapon compared to theirs.
*The* Florida Man'
@@Turboman-kx7cc they were impressed by faking the moon landing ? Hhhhhhhh just kidding i thought what would Eddie bravo say
Now THAT'S a good conversation!
The fact that we here are looking for other habitable planets with life makes me believe another highly advanced civilization would do the same.
Im with Brian Greene here, we cant even imagine how advanced some civilizations might be.
There’s two issues involved here. One is the advanced civilization going out of their way to interact with us, and two, us detecting their existence/activity regardless of whether they’re interested in us. If they’re not interested, which is debatable, why haven’t we detected their existence? This remains unanswered.
@@alexh1524 Think about the factors of why that is.
1 = speed of light
(When we see very distant habitable planets we determine if they have a decent chance for intelligent and complex life forms, we see them as they were hundreds of thousands often millions of years ago). because light has a speed
2 = Our Current Technology in 2022
Its like what, 63 years ago since we landed on the hecking moon. it is all a axcellerating process where we get more and more advanced with a rapid growth, look at any chart about human development. like everything is skyrocketing.
Id bet my halfgrown mustache on that in minimum 30 (It may be alot less) years we have actually Discovered Legit evidence of life on another planet. with the use of either the James webb telescope or some entirely new model directed towards scanning planets
3 = an Analogy to illustrate my point
If you say you doubt there is other lifeforms on other planets in space.
it will be like if you go to the sea with a tea spoon, to scoop it up with water, then determingly claiming you have proven whales dont exist
"Because then if they do, why have i not found any in my spoon"
I ask, not because I’m convinced one way or the other, but because it appears to be a legitimate question. I understand that civilizations that started at around our time would not be detectable because of the vast distances. I ask about civilizations that could have sprung up millions or billions of years before us.
@@alexh1524 Yee i understand.
but the thing is, we havent seen them because they dont show up yet, for us they dont exist yet.
Advanced lifeforms like us are probably very rare in space, so it has to be a huge distance between us. therefore we cant see them because the light takes so long to travel.
with James weeb they zoom millions of light years, to investigate the forming of early galaxies
Even if some civilizations are far far beyond us on a technological scale. Light speed travel is kind of impossible, because it destroys our biological cells, and probably disrupts other mechanics
And the fact that we're not dead yet means that for those civiliztions to survive to that advanced point, they must have mastered a strong moral code. Or at least have a very good utilitarian reason not to destoy us.
You know how uninteresting photos of your friend's baby is?
That's the level of interest aliens have in us.
Hilariously accurate. I'd assume
Wow that’s why they are here and I have seen amazing things don’t take my word for it watch the pertagons video of tic tax ufo and if it can disappear in less than a second of 25 miles, which it did the CO of the flight group that saw this thing said in less than a second and they have visibility of at least 20 miles at the altitude at least they could see it disappear into a lil dot but this thing disappeared in less than a second so they are here and who are you to say why. And btw why idk do you ? Oh please please talk as if you kno something else
@@edgeofenlightenment7088 dude put down the pipe
@@edgeofenlightenment7088 tic tac ufo does not equal alien space ship buddy. Put the lsd away it obviously isn't doing anything good for you.
Your a shit friend then mate. I love my mates baby like my own family so when I get to see pictures of her it interests me quite a bit
"... not hampered by the speed of light? " I love it when Joe asked a question, right as it forms in my own mind.
“There are different kinds of infinities”
I need to take a nap on that one
Conversations like this just prove how pathetic a 9-5 job really is.
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Very true. Very insightful. You are now a slightly higher form of human. Keep up the journy my friend.
Mik Wakefield some of us are stuck with those jobs. It’s not so easy to get out
@@NZealand I agree and I'm one of them.
Some people have to do things to enable others the capacity not to.
If you listen closely you can hear Eddie outside banging on the door.
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Joe has a very inquisitive mind. Brian is brilliant in explaining things. Perfect match.
Fascinating conversation
they aren't saying anything that stoners haven't covered already.
sentryogmixmaster nothing!
@@s.goodie you clearly haven't smoked weed before. And I think most of the E.T "theories" are crocks of shit wrought on by repressed existentialism.
lol..totaly i had this conversation at 15 yo...
More like people who trip. Weed doesn’t do that
Daniel Zeuli lol go home your drunk. I’ve had this conversation n then some while stoned. Screw hallucinations, this is actually open minded dialogue occurring not just seeing stuff that isn’t there lol total difference
Physicist: I had eggs for breakfast.
Joe: I disagree.
Not even close to being an accurate summary of this conversation.
I disagree.
@@avatarpopco So what you're saying is that, you disagree?
Have you seen me? I disagree
My stance has not changed, I disagree
Considering how interested we are in microbiology on other planets I don’t agree with Brian Green‘s hypothesis that we just aren’t advanced enough for alien civilizations to be curious about us
One thing often overlooked when discussing possible advanced civilizations is the possibility or even probability that technology itself is a threat to survival. The more ability we have to control our environment creates a greater ability to destroy it. Why would anyone assume it is different in another part of the universe?
I think that is an obstacle for every civilization that ever existed.
Spot on!! there's a good chance our civilization would cease to exist in let's say1000 years for numerous reasons ,
I think the notion of "intelligence always equals technology" itself might not necessarily be correct. I think intelligence needs other factors for technology to advance, say... population density/overpopulation for example. The American Indians were in balance with their environment. Their technology didn't advance much at all over 10,000 yrs compared to Europe and Asia. Dolphins are highly intelligent. Where are the dolphin cities? Why don't they use tools? They have no need for them.
Joe is assuming a totally different species has the same interests and curiosities as we do.
True
And Brian's entire argument is assuming they don't.
@@Samuel-th6fw I think Brian's argument was more that they might have had those interests at an earlier development but have long since transcended those types of interests when they became 'galactic'.
@@Samuel-th6fw no because brians says they very well might observe us but joe rogan flat out says he disagrees entirely with Brian's argument.
yeah cause in deep part of our mind we hope there are different versions of our species, so what he means is if other humans but much more advanced were looking at us, u know ?
Joe out here trying to have "high" thoughts with an expert physicist
r/underrated comment
Joe seems like a dummy on this one
And?
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ruh how?
@@Nahsra58 because the physicist is providing numbers (time) to back up his explanation. Joe is just asking "but why" as his response to the physicists explanations. Joe is really not capturing what the physicist is trying to explain
The thing I always say when people wonder why we haven't discovered Alien life is even more simple than that. If the Universe all started at the same time, every other life form out there started at the same point as we did. So why would we assume any other civilizations are any further ahead than we are? I know things could have taken different paths and evolved more quickly, etc. but that has always been my thought.
Although, it is beginning to look like we have been around a lot longer than initially thought, but have blown ourselves up or whatever several times and reset our progress back to square one. So maybe while the rest of the universe has managed to not kill themselves repeatedly, they were able to continue developing uninterrupted unlike us.
Uhmmm the beginning of the universe and beginning of life aren't the same things. Some intergalactic hen wasn't laying life eggs all at once.
Joe just can’t wrap his head around the fact that his interview in the movie Bright wasn’t real.
Man: looks at Joe
Joe: I don’t buy that for two reasons.
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The problem is that everyone puts the process of aliens visiting us in a box. Everyone thinks it’s gotta be like the movies, with a big spaceship coming to earth. If a super advanced life form out in the universe can figure out inter dimensional space travel, they can figure out how to observe us without us ever evening knowing. They could be watching us in a fourth or fifth dimension, in some way we can’t even comprehend.
Good thoughts, it’s like how people interpret angels and demons as actually being aliens because they’re present but on a different plane on existence. But how does that’ shit work?
Yep!
That's true Luke. If we can only see 0.005% of the light spectrum it's quite possible that we are being observed by non terrestrials.
Think about this..
If humans didn't have noses, then we would have no idea that scent/smell is a thing. Similarly, if we didn't have ears, would we know sound/noise exists? So imagine what other senses there are that we can't experience because the human body just doesn't have the tools for it.
@@andrewhiggins224 fantastic 👍
No matter how advanced you are it all comes down to basics
They completely forgot to talk about the fact, that other civilizations in space might be very dangerous. So except from some predatory species there might only two other kinds of civilizations out there: those still unable to reach into the sky and the dead ones.
2 Aliens in a spaceship observing Earth -
1st Alien "I see Humanity has developed nuclear weapons."
2nd Alien "But are they dangerous?"
1st Alien "I don't think so, they have them all pointed at each other."
Who else would they point it on?
This is fucking awesome 👍🏻
@@GregorBautista he means that the one alien thought that humans are a competitive species but then a "plot twist" ...
Gbfk7 other intelligent life possibly looking to attack their planet, not point it at each other as humans look to kill our own species because of religion race and standards of living
You couldn’t have said that better
Einstein: e=mc2
Joe: I don’t buy it
That little equation is like a great example of universe for us
Einstein - e=mc2
Joe: d=mt2
I always like to think it terms of mc2=E.
I'm confused. Wouldn't the presence of UFOs suggest that they have interest in us?
One interesting point of view is that just because 'we' find a picture of an orangutan spearfishing - 'interesting' doesn't necessarily mean that some other civilization finds 'us' interesting. It's a very human centric idea that joe keeps proposing .
I think TikTok is the real reason why aliens won’t visit us
underrated comment
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Nah, give it 20, 50 years and see if tik tok is still around.
The aliens will get addicted to it too they'll just enhance it in some way
Yes
Knowledge just oozing and pouring out of this convo❤
One of Joe's better guests, was totally hooked listening to his ideas.
agreed!!
Brian was a great choice truly
That makes one of us
Franklin A Rogers same here. I had to rewind several times in many places in the convo to try to understand what he was saying. Super intriguing though
You should give his book, The Elegant Universe a read. Super accessible and entertaining. Gives you a firm grasp of the core concepts of cosmology
Earth man looks at ant colony, moves on! Alien looks at earth man, MOVES ON!
Thank you Greene for pointing out that radio waves have only traveled 70 light years
The title should be called “ joe rogan disagrees with physicist for 2 reasons”
Commander Cooks I think this physicist is wrong about this alien theory; I mean scientists are more interested in things than the average person is, and scientists will try to make others interested. Scientists are literally interested in watching two particles hit each other at light speeds, just because they can do it.
For real lol he’s putting these very well thought out ideas to joe and he’s just like “nah bro we’re the shit, they definitely want to come see us” lmaoo
Anthony Sunday huh?
@@brytonwallis4817 His point though is in 10,000+ years or 1 billion years or however further advanced that alien species is, whatever human life turns into would no longer be interested in crashing 2 particles together, or physics in general. Even the scientists. It would likely all be figured out, or we would at least be on the next thing after physics and so on.
@The Monotone Man An alien species 1 billion years more advanced would no longer have use for laughter, or even entertainment. It would all be a waste of their time.
Its totally human to think that aliens would have the same frame of mind.
Edit: Wow... Thanks for the likes everyone! Most I ever got!
ifitscool Yup. Joe is thinking 2020 human and not 700000000 life. “Well we’re interested with butterflies... why wouldn’t they be interested in us?” Well because the differences between us and a butterfly is much more fascinating than humans on earth in 2020 and aliens that are billions of years into modernization.
@@ITRIEDEL Doesn't explain anything either. If life and advancement of technology is common we're talking anything from hundreds to millions of different alien species from different worlds, with different cultures, values and interests. Each civilization with populations most likely well in the hundreds of trillions and more.
And none of these civilizations, not even just a group among these trillions upon trillions of individuals has found us interesting?
I can only make it plausible in a very specific and unlikely scenario where one civilization conquered everyone else and this specfic society isn't interested in other species and they're only waiting to destroy or conquer us because it's not necessary or ideal yet. But that's an extremely unlike scenario and the society would have to be so old we'd still be stuck with the question of why we're not seeing their ancient expansion when looking at the stars.
Or maybe life and advancement of technology is *not* common. But wouldn't that make us interesting in itself?
And can we even imagine intelligent life developing technology without at least some form of curiosity?
Vlad this comment is top-notch 👏🏼👏🏼
Vlad - animals don’t find humans interesting. They see us as just threats or instrumental to their survival. thinking the way a human thinks and thinking with a prefrontal cortex assumes these possibilities. It’s easy to assume we’re interesting because we’re all we know. Aliens could have a completely different thought process - beyond all understanding especially if they are advanced beyond our comprehension. They don’t have similar traits. Technology and advancement may be the forefront of their existence.
If there were an alien life form with an economy and structure similar to ours would likely find us interesting because based on these variables they are similar, but the chances an alien life form similar to us that happens to “discover” us is extremely rare considering all the possibilities from no aliens to aliens that have discovered time jumps or something similar,
I tend to agree that any advanced society would be sufficiently “interested” in life forms on other planets. In fact, the more advanced they are, the less there is to discover and learn on their home world and they’ve looked outward to other stars and planets as we’ve done.
Though it’s highly likely they’re not interested enough to take massively long and strenuous journeys to visit us.
If they exist in a different dimension that would explain a lot,maybe,i think...
I smoked a joint 20 minutes ago
Now I'm watching this on my car, in a parkin lot close to a Chinese restaurant.
Where's the money Lebowski ?
Arent we all
eXplosive truTh -- hahhh. I’m in a Chinese food restaurant right now with my head phones in. 🤣
NO MSG.
eXplosive truTh sounds nice
One of them just needed to say, “Aliens aren’t human so their thoughts, actions, and emotions are acted on differently than ours”
I mean interestingly, even if Aliens did show up on Earth, they probably wouldn’t even be able to hear us because their ears (if they have them) didn’t form under the parameters of our atmosphere
The train of thought at the beginning seems to suggest that at least Joe thinks they might be future humans. The famous Grays are the logical result of our current trend of shrinking in size and strength while increasing our brain size, and perhaps their skin color is an effect of different lighting conditions.
Why would they even want to see us? What if these things are older than we can comprehend? Maybe we're just another graduating middleschool class to them
I stopped at "Aliens aren’t human" said who ? if there is a planet like earth (high % that there is more than just one) where life on it started thousands of years before ours and we all know same conditions MOST OF THE TIMES give same results so yes maybe not the humans we know now (btw, if a black person in middle of Africa who only saw black people all his life and you show an Asian to him, he will think that he's not like him an he's not human ) so this "human" thingy is debatable, what if planet earth humans in thousands of years will look different too ? we already look different from our ancestors don't we ?
But we can detect stuff that we can't percieve, like ultra violet and super high pitch, so if an civilization which is millions years ahead of us exists, they might understand our perceptions in how see and percieve everything around us.
Damn this is a good debate, they both did very well
A combination of too much distance, and when (or if) their civilizations ever overlapped ours.
I swear Joe brings up that spear fishing orang outan every episode
Ur right
It is pretty something though
Spear fishing orangutan, dmt, elk meat, and the burning bush. Daily go-to's.
@@jordana5660 don’t forget jiu jitsu
Gail Breslin I don’t remember saying he isn’t. Curb your dyslexia please
"Yeah but Joe, you're assuming these aliens are ripping the bong everyday like you."
exactly lol
Best comment.
And thinking about stuff
The Man's a bum ignore him
@@lee-lw7hz your a bum and I ignore you
This hits different after the David Grusch whistle-blower claims lol
I’ve dealt with an incredible amount of turmoil and pain within ONE year…these guys toss around a “handful of billion” years, like it’s nothing. I’m not buying it!
Joe: “why would we assume they are that much more advanced than us”
Joe... if they can get here from other star systems, they are well beyond us
The question is why haven't they visited us, that doesn't imply that they can.
Great point, but it is entirely possible that some sort of wormhole or natural galactic port that can allow inter dimensional travel within their area, crazy theory, just a thought though.
When we visit ants, do they know we are there....or do they just feel our vibration.
Tyler Jacobson assuming the life is close by galactic standards still the amount of energy necessary to make and interstellar trip is so enormous so technically what green is describing there’s no incentive to spend trillions of dollars to see an ant colony destroying itself
Our cosmic neighbourhood in the galaxy could be in the radius of 3000 light years and just with current technology to make the trip to alpha century 4.5 light years away it would take us 75 ....... THOUSAND YEARS
Joe also wants to believe in aliens so bad I thought he was gonna start crying
@StenXa Theoretically, infinite size means there's at least one possibility. But i would like to see one before dying just say to myself that there is sentient life on other planet.
StenXa it would be foolish to believe we are the only life form there’s so many planets out there and we’re supposed to assume our planet was the only one to get life forms?
@@gunship0995 Even extra-terrestrial bacteria would be enough for me.
If the intro to aliens are the likes of rogan, musk instead Greene.. That's probably the reason why they're avoiding us
1. How are we absolutely certain that light is the fast particle? What if the alens have discovered tachyon particles and therefore are not hampered?
Joe can't grasp that we may not be amazing
Nah, Joe has heard that from every physicist he’s ever talked to...some say its got a foundation, others have said it’s just being fashionable to be so cynical about Earthlings
Ikr, it's not that difficult to grasp that first of all, if a civilization is advanced enough to visit us, it's most likely that their knowledge about evolutionary science is way beyond us and possibly to the point that studying us might just be redundant for them
Joe's take on this is one of his worst.
@@MrTed-xi2iz no.
@@gregs9210 and yet more intelligent than 'oh they wouldnt be interested'
this guy is cappin he knows way more than hes leading on
DESIREMORE elaborate
kelvin cabell just look at the way he talks or the way he looks when he answers questions, the proofs there
DESIREMORE I wonder if he is attempting to simplify his true thoughts. When experts talk to other experts they can assume that the other already knows quite a bit in the field but when talking to someone such as joe he likely needs to change his approach to explaining things
When you are an expert in a complex field like physics you have to be careful about how much you say and how you say it. It is really easy to lose your audience with concepts that are simple to you but make very little sense to the average person. Brian was being really polite, but could have blown up Joe's arguments if he wanted to.
Pissed Bob Ross to me it just look like you lack imagination and hope and a better name
Except that we DO hang out on Ant Hills, and we do study lower lifeforms, so that explanation holds no water. Plus if you ask a lot of people we have been visited and frequently.
Aliens have visited us. They're called politicians.
It's like watching a middle school teacher who is trying to gently get around the fact that all of the kids are answering his questions completely wrong. "Weeellll that's an interesting thought, Timmy, buuut...."