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  • @girleyreds11-11
    @girleyreds11-11 17 днів тому +583

    Sadly they were both used abused and thrown away

    • @wednesdayschild3627
      @wednesdayschild3627 17 днів тому +57

      Jane Seymour died in childbirth. If Catherine of Aragon would have had a boy, she would never have been discarded. Probably Anne would not have been executed, if she had a son.

    • @winniedhaouadi1973
      @winniedhaouadi1973 17 днів тому

      If if​@@wednesdayschild3627

    • @tavusfatma2125
      @tavusfatma2125 17 днів тому

      But even though he had a boy he still remaried 3 times after , he probably was willing to produce more heirs nd change women for his lust​@@wednesdayschild3627

    • @thebigw3651
      @thebigw3651 17 днів тому +47

      @@wednesdayschild3627a boy who lived you mean. Cathrine of Aragon had a few boys, they just didn’t survive infancy.

    • @Midnight_Shine-jj5ze
      @Midnight_Shine-jj5ze 17 днів тому +15

      @@wednesdayschild3627 both the other comments r right even in fact that Catherine of Argon’s first with Henry was a boy, Mary wasn’t Catherine’s first child she was just the one who survived
      Anne Boylen was also gonna have a boy but she lost the baby do to I think Henry cheating on her constantly with Jane Seymour

  • @jolenamalade
    @jolenamalade 14 днів тому +208

    it is fascinating seeing how she reactions to the necklace vs catherine of aragon it really shows their different personalities

  • @stephaniedaniels823
    @stephaniedaniels823 17 днів тому +569

    What comes around goes around. Ann did the exact thing to Catherine.

    • @LiamLee-v3f
      @LiamLee-v3f  16 днів тому +9

      Yea, you’re so observant

    • @RebeccaTaylorTillery
      @RebeccaTaylorTillery 16 днів тому +33

      There is a difference. Anne didn't give it up until shortly before marriage. Henry chased her. She put him off as much as she could. Jane didn't refuse Henry at all.

    • @ineffablegabe
      @ineffablegabe 16 днів тому +18

      ​@@RebeccaTaylorTillerythere is literally no proof that Jane in real life had sex with Henry before marriage. And in the show they only kissed

    • @ineffablegabe
      @ineffablegabe 16 днів тому

      ​@@RebeccaTaylorTilleryanne in the show did have sex with Henry before going down the alter. She just made him stop halfway so she wouldn't get pregnant before marriage.

    • @RebeccaTaylorTillery
      @RebeccaTaylorTillery 16 днів тому +1

      @ineffablegabe okay

  • @ineffablegabe
    @ineffablegabe 16 днів тому +318

    When the mistress becomes the wife, she leaves a vacancy. Anne clearly did not realise this when she got rid of Catherine.

    • @daisiejensen4818
      @daisiejensen4818 15 днів тому +19

      What was done to Anne Boleyn was much worse than what was done to Catherine. Catherine's marriage to Henry was annulled on the grounds that her marriage to Henry's brother Arthur was consummated. Her marriage ending didn't cost her life. However, Anne's marriage to Henry was annulled because she was smeared as an incestual adulteress, and was executed for it.

    • @ineffablegabe
      @ineffablegabe 14 днів тому +47

      @daisiejensen4818 Henry didn't let Catherine see her only surviving child for years. She was literally locked in a manor to die of illness and loneliness for years. And why are you comparing two women's deaths? Is this The Suffering Olympics?

    • @feelinglunchie7023
      @feelinglunchie7023 14 днів тому

      @@daisiejensen4818 catehrine dies of poor care, same as murder, she was englected and abandoned died of "illness" not old age natural death.

    • @manuellarodrigues4386
      @manuellarodrigues4386 14 днів тому +10

      ​@daisiejensen4818 lol Catherine's first marriage was not consumed. They were way too young and his grandma had an awful experience giving birth at 13 so everyone agreed that there was no rush. She was already in England, they already had the dowry and they should have plenty of time to make an heir

    • @daisiejensen4818
      @daisiejensen4818 14 днів тому +4

      @@manuellarodrigues4386 I wasn't making the argument that her marriage to Arthur was consummated, I just said that Henry 8. had his marriage to Catherine annulled on the grounds that her first marriage to his brother was consummated.

  • @lede1810
    @lede1810 12 днів тому +24

    Fun fact: Jane Seymour and Anne Boleyn’s mothers w first cousin through their own mothers. And Catherine Howard was Anne’s first cousin (her father and Anne’s mother were siblings)

    • @saraswatkin9226
      @saraswatkin9226 8 днів тому

      So it was actually a massacre of those noble families. Treachery is never far from money and property. Same thing happens in 21st Century but its called bankruptcy, mergers and acquisitions, assignments etc so all legalised pillage and plunder.

  • @livewell-xt5xr
    @livewell-xt5xr 17 днів тому +257

    Ann this was the same thing you did to Kathrine

    • @savagegardenrox
      @savagegardenrox 17 днів тому +21

      But Anne knows that her marriage can't be annulled and that her status doesn't provide her any protection like Katherine's did. Anne may have been the first beheaded wife, but she knew what Henry was capable of doing to get rid of inconvenient people.
      Also, Henry had far more genuine live for Jane Seymour than he did for Katherine or for Anne, which would certainly be painful to realize.

    • @lepakshijaideep222
      @lepakshijaideep222 17 днів тому +18

      @savagegardenrox Henry historically never loved jane the way he loved Katherine

    • @lepakshijaideep222
      @lepakshijaideep222 17 днів тому +13

      Queen jane was her karma

    • @made-line7627
      @made-line7627 16 днів тому +2

      ​@@savagegardenroxWhat makes you think his love for Jane was greater than for Katherine or Anne? Genuinely curious ✌🏻

    • @ganondorfdragmire9855
      @ganondorfdragmire9855 16 днів тому

      ​@@made-line7627I'm guessing because two things One she gave him a son and two she died before Henry could do his usual b*******

  • @wednesdayschild3627
    @wednesdayschild3627 17 днів тому +96

    Ironically, it was Madge Shelton that led to Anne's tragic downfall. Henry Norris didn't want the king's leftovers. Directly confronting Cromwell was super dangerous. He could implicate Anne in trying to remove Henry.

    • @LiamLee-v3f
      @LiamLee-v3f  16 днів тому

      It think that’s why

    • @catherineaustin2
      @catherineaustin2 2 дні тому +1

      What did Madge Shelton do? I am not familiar with this part of the story

  • @dmoore8595
    @dmoore8595 15 днів тому +29

    Thomas Cromwell will fall.
    But Anne won't live to see it. Unfortunately, nether will Jane Seymour., who also ultimately lost her life by becoming Anne's replacement.

  • @midare39
    @midare39 12 днів тому +10

    I like how her outfit resembles the evil Queen up to this point while she wore more joyfull provocative dresses before

    • @Vindaya_
      @Vindaya_ 9 днів тому

      Looks a little similar to Elizabeth's 😅

  • @jaelkalashnikov3833
    @jaelkalashnikov3833 16 днів тому +41

    ALL of it Henry's fault. It's not like anyone could say "no" to him, without risking their head being lopped off!
    Unfortunately, that's what ended up happening to most of them anyway because of Henry's desire for a son and his gluttony for what he didn't have and wanted. A truly horrid man. The best thing to come from him was his daughter Elizabeth!

    • @katarinasvensson9801
      @katarinasvensson9801 15 днів тому

      She could have said no

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 15 днів тому +3

      Henry literally sent Anne a letter saying ‘I don’t know if you like me or not, if you don’t love me just tell me and I will accept it’
      Henry had never executed a wife before Anne, and many women had ducked out of relationships with him (Anne’s sister being one) perfectly in tact if not better off than they were.

    • @mittenista
      @mittenista 14 днів тому +6

      I gotta wonder why she gets all the blame and he gets so little, if any?

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 14 днів тому +2

      @ literally everyone blames Henry. They also shouldn’t absolve Anne of her guilt in her choices

  • @via-anghelmagahum2586
    @via-anghelmagahum2586 13 днів тому +5

    How you get ‘‘em is how you lose them… some things never change

  • @cheesecakeoreo9362
    @cheesecakeoreo9362 14 днів тому +4

    All the women at that time are dying for the king’s wealth and to be the king’s wife.
    #luckyguy

  • @kendralovestoplayDTI
    @kendralovestoplayDTI 10 днів тому +4

    Meanwhile Jane thinking of *haha,your in danger*

  • @Whyistomatoafruit
    @Whyistomatoafruit 16 днів тому +29

    I hated this version of Jane, I’m glad they switched her out in the next season. This Jane was sooo unlikeable

    • @LiamLee-v3f
      @LiamLee-v3f  16 днів тому +2

      Why don’t you like her?

    • @shanouboubou
      @shanouboubou 10 днів тому

      I get that but I wonder if that first Jane wasn't more historically accurate than the other. Jane Seymour had always had the reputation, throughout history, of a plain Jane - pun not intended.

  • @daisiejensen4818
    @daisiejensen4818 14 днів тому +10

    I see many comments basically saying what happened to Anne was her own fault. What was done to Anne Boleyn was much worse than what was done to Catherine. Catherine's marriage to Henry was annulled on the grounds that her marriage to Henry's brother Arthur was consummated. The annulment didn't cost her her life. However, Anne's marriage to Henry was annulled because she was smeared as an incestual adulteress, and she was executed for it. Henry was eager to get rid of her because she had only managed to give him a daughter, even though they had only been married for 3 years. It is also strongly believed that Anne was pressured into this position by her family.

    • @serowinski
      @serowinski 14 днів тому +7

      What Henry n Ann did to Catherine was unforgivable. Ann used her influence on Henry to completely isolate Catherine, no ladies in waiting. No confessor and the worse the last 2 yrs of her life, sick, her daughter Msry wasn't allowed to visit her, her mother. They took everything nice away, she died alone. And it's a rumor that Ann had her poisoned. The authocy (sp?) Shwed her heart was black.

    • @rainbowpride4766
      @rainbowpride4766 14 днів тому +3

      I am see u replying the same thing everytime. Are u so biased to anne?

    • @daisiejensen4818
      @daisiejensen4818 14 днів тому +1

      @@rainbowpride4766 No, I am absolutely not bias. I'm just acknowledging that Anne did not deserve to die, and that people are acting like she deserved to be executed for taking Catherine's place, when in reality it was ultimately Henry's decision to cast Catherine aside like he did with several of his wives.

    • @s1b3r11
      @s1b3r11 13 днів тому

      @@daisiejensen4818 Let's not pretend Anne had no part in it at all. Anne was the one telling him he could and should execute whoever opposed him and her. Before her, he wasn't regarded as a tyrant. She and her family enabled him to become one. There are sources describing how when Catharine died Anne and Henry were both overjoyed and organised special parties to celebrate. Lastly, let's not forget that she was actively pushing for brutal executions of her political enemies. There are sources confirming she asked Henry for Cardinal Wolsey's head (he was found guilty of treason and would probably have been executed if he didn't die on his own) She and her family were pushing for the deaths of Thomas More, John Fisher and practically everyone who didn't entertain his whims of becoming the head of the church. She created the monster and the monster killed her. She was killed in the same way she had been using to get rid of others. What goes around comes around. Catharine on the other hand was truly innocent on all accounts and didn't deserve her fate.

  • @winstondonald3065
    @winstondonald3065 17 днів тому +20

    The series is the Tudors

  • @norhayatihamzah5042
    @norhayatihamzah5042 6 днів тому +1

    Anne is quite arrogant she is not even royal blood but she dares to boast I am the Queen of England.

  • @nicolemariamnicolaidou1847
    @nicolemariamnicolaidou1847 15 днів тому +19

    Anne did not get Catherine beheaded.. Catherine was given many options to leave her marriage with Henry.. She chose to see that Anne was her enemy and refused, when in fact Henry was the one to blame for everything..
    Anne was given no option. Only death, on false accusations..

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 15 днів тому

      She had Catherine cast aside into poverty for years, separated from her only surviving child after 5 other child losses, stripped of her position and labelled an incestuous whore, alone and in agony as she died a slow death, and she abused her daughter daily by dangling the chance to see her mother again in Mary’s face. She also physically assaulted Jane for wearing a pendant the king gave her, as if Anne wasn’t pregnant on her wedding day.
      Anne got off SO easily.

    • @manuellarodrigues4386
      @manuellarodrigues4386 14 днів тому

      She could not get her beheaded lmao Catherine was spanish royalty they could not kill her even if they wanted too it would cause way too much problems

    • @s1b3r11
      @s1b3r11 13 днів тому +10

      Anne didn't get Catharine beheaded only because she couldn't. Catharine had royal blood and was a Spanish princess. Beheading her would bring awful consequences for Henry as most rulers from Europe would have opposed him. Anne also got A LOT of other innocent people beheaded and violently murdered for the great crime of not recognizing him as the head of the church and not entertaining his whims. Anne was the one pushing him to kill whoever she and he disliked. She was one of the factors that made him into a tyrant. Before her, he wasn't recognized as that bad for England. She influenced him to accuse Cardinal Wolsey of treason and there are sources mentioning her asking for his head. Thomas More was also beheaded because of her and her family. The same goes for John Fisher and many many others. If she could she would have pushed for Catharine's execution too. Catharine didn't survive thanks to Anne. People love to romanticize her because Henry was worse and because she was accused of things she hadn't done, but she was still a backstabbing monster pushing executions of everyone who displeased her. Catharine on the other hand was truly innocent and suffering for Henry's and Anne's sins. In Anne's case her executions is more or less "what goes around comes around"

    • @nicolemariamnicolaidou1847
      @nicolemariamnicolaidou1847 13 днів тому

      Catherine of Aragon was royalty by blood, and executing her would be a war declaration. If Anne Boleyn wanted her dead, she would find a way, as she did with the ones you mentioned above.
      Historically speaking, Henry pursued Anne for 7 years. She resisted his advances. It's not like you could say no to a king. There are records she was not interested in him, but her family pushed her, to benefit from this with lands and titles. Also, a woman would not go against her family's will in that time.
      Catherine of Aragon was given the option to retire, something that would not affect the line of succession. She thought her issue was Anne, when in fact it was Henry. He spent 7 years trying to divorce her.
      Cardinal Wosley's downfall, was the result of not getting the annulment for Henry. Thomas Moore and Bishop John Fisher, refused to swear on the Act of succession. Their actions are what ultimately brought their downfall. Anne was not completely innocent to their downfall. Henry had the final say in everything. They went against their king's will.
      Anne was a woman that saw Henry as her equal, while Henry did not. You can name any woman that held power, countless accounts will call them evil, cruel, scheming and manipulative. Historical accounts describing the actions of a woman will always come with accusations to make them the villains. Anne Boleyn is no exception.
      As for what goes round comes around, I would rephrase it for Henry as, once a cheater, always a cheater...
      Henry saw Jane, a fully submissive woman to his will. Historical accounts from Ambassador Chapuys say how Jane acted in a hurry to learn exactly what Henry loved, and be exactly as he would like a woman to be. Jane acted with a plan to replace Anne. Resisted like Anne, and victimised herself in his eyes.
      The urgency to get rid of Anne was 15 days time.. Anne was executed on false accusations, and Jane became Queen immediately.
      And for what goes round comes around, honestly, I see that on the fate of Jane, but especially Henry (life, health, body, country) he got punished in every single way and was never really happy. For me that's the karma...
      Anw, I really like exchanging perspectives and views 👌🏼

    • @availanila
      @availanila 11 днів тому

      ​@@s1b3r11 was Cstherine beheaded or killed somehow? I thought she was divorced and sent back to Spain

  • @robertcarnline4473
    @robertcarnline4473 12 днів тому +4

    Catherine did the same thing with Anne. Anne had a necklace and Catherine grabbed it

  • @MochamadDhany
    @MochamadDhany 11 днів тому

    Idk ....which be better....louise or henry

  • @ineffablegabe
    @ineffablegabe 15 днів тому +13

    No, Anne. It's you who has overreached and placed herself in grave danger.

    • @ronaldbouldin1639
      @ronaldbouldin1639 14 днів тому

      Maybe in some sense, but Henry himself was the real reason for all of his wives' downfall because in those times it was very dangerous to deny King Henry of anything he desired. Someone would always ultimately be blamed for what he didn't get that he wanted and took a chance at getting executed. Henry was a selfish pig.

  • @cmariah80
    @cmariah80 23 години тому +1

    You lost your head because of this

  • @tippiet6865
    @tippiet6865 15 днів тому +9

    Foolish Anne Boleyn…

    • @wengercleopatra2150
      @wengercleopatra2150 15 днів тому +3

      Anne played a dangerous game. She wasn’t careful at all.

  • @wms72
    @wms72 8 днів тому

    I read Ann was a witch with 6 fingers

  • @judyfowler2834
    @judyfowler2834 12 днів тому +5

    Anne Boleyn did nothing wrong she was always so faithful but also was speaking her feelings like Henry said

    • @sgalvan6037
      @sgalvan6037 12 днів тому +3

      Nada malo excepto ser la amantes de un hombre casado? Simplemente le esta pasando lo mismo que le hizo a la primera esposa de Henry VIII

  • @ronaldbouldin1639
    @ronaldbouldin1639 14 днів тому +1

    It is horrible how Henry executed her and his other young wife, but they all knew the danger they were putting themselves in just by marrying this monster. After he divorced his first wife, and especially after his severe leg injury, he became completely a different man. Becoming even more angrier, more cocky, self-loathing, and started to realize there was nothing he couldn't do all because he was merely the king. Once his self-esteem took a big hit, he started taking it out on every body and anybody who was in his path that irrated him in the slightest. Even making up lies and making sure his most trusted people around him started any rumors he insisted on being started in order for him to either get another divorce and, unfortunately, to be able to put people to death. They were all mostly lies. Especially with Anne. He made sure the rumors started about her infidelity with many men and even with her own brother. None of them were true. He was just tired of her and found himself lusting after another woman and wanted her gone without having to go through another divorce. His last wife, although out living him got it good, i think Jane Seymore unfortunately had it the best when she passed away because if not, she would have more than likely suffered greatly with the same fate as Anne eventually when he also tired of her. It's sad and horrible to say, but King Henry had the same habits and the same routines with every wife. He always tired of them when he saw some other woman he wanted more. He was not destined to actually truly fall in love with one woman and live a long life and marriage out with her. Henry was such a horrible and cruel man. I feel horribly sorry for all those who had to live under his ruling as king, especially the ones closest to him. One wrong move, and off with your head. He was such a horribly unkind and uncaring king enable of truly loving and caring for others no matter how faithful they were to him and no matter how much they loved him. This man couldn't even treat his own children properly and show them proper love like a real father should merly because they were daughters and not sons. That was the saddest travesty of his entire legacy 100%!!! His children didn't ask for any of what they went through or to even be born into this situation but still got treated as trash by him and like they embarrassed him because they were females. If he had just stayed married and not divorced his first wife and humbked himself things would have went so much better for him. Spreading his seed all over his kingdom was a bad idea. So many bastard children without a father because of him.
    He was sick on the head, selfish, and a complete narcissist. He had zero redeeming qualities!!!! None! Zip! Zero!!!

    • @rosered5485
      @rosered5485 14 днів тому +4

      Unfortunately, even if they 'knew what they were getting into' they couldn't exactly refuse the king. He would have taken it out on them and their families. Even Catherine Parr was aware of this. She had to break off a different engagement because the king wanted to marry her. She wasn't exactly chasing him.

    • @dawnstonerock4253
      @dawnstonerock4253 21 годину тому

      Perfectly stated! ❤

  • @violetmullikin1725
    @violetmullikin1725 11 днів тому

    Poor Anne Boleyn Henry was a bad one😢