I was seriously doing a google search on the differences between these scopes exactly. It wasnt until I refreshed that same google search that this video came up. My local Cabela's canadian location suggested I look at the HS-T for my rifle. Problem is, since being in that store, and the fact that I am a sucker for a good deal, I have yet to see the HS-T scope on sale. Currently, however, the HS is on sale for $200 dollars off, which puts it well below the price of the HS-T. I guess I'll keep holding out for a deal...that is unless VORTEX you want to throw me a good ol coupon code for a discount on an HS-T! Lol, thanks for the video though! Short and simple!
Recently purchased the HS LR for my .300 Bergara HMR I hope it holds up to the recoil. I have been happy with my passed vortex purchased thus far. Great products and great company!
Should do just fine - just mount it in a quality set of rings to proper spec as indicated on the tag on the scope tube when you got it out of the box and there shouldn't be any problems.
I went for an hs 2.5x10 for my 243 short barrel remington. I'm never gonna kill anything over 500 yards so there's 0 reason for me to have 6x24 or hell even a 4x16. those magnifications are never gonna get used and I'd rather have a wider fov. also illumination and ffp aren't needed for less than 500 yards either. I like the capped elevation and windage alongside the addition of a side focus. if you're hitting targets with a bipod at 600+ yards than go for one of the pricier ones. if you're hunting whitetail the hs is perfect. ffp does more harm than good at lower magnifications and its awfully pricey. a 500 dollar sfp vs a 500 dollar ffp, everything about the sfp is gonna be superior because they didn't have to cut corners to make a ffp affordable.
I just bought my second Savage 10 FP SR .308. I am going to be shooting out to 600 to 800 yards with this rifle and also might be using it on an elk and pronghorn hunt. Which scope do you recommend Vortex?
I was thinking of getting one. Two questions: 1) Is the glass quality the same in all 3 series? 2) Vortex says all three series have HD objective lenses? Is that true? And If so, how can they put it in such moderately priced scopes?
1) yes 2) "HD" in the optical world is really just a marketing term and has no exact specification as to which glass is HD and which is not. The Viper series has an excellent optical system which we label an "HD" optical system, though it wouldn't be nearly as good as the Razor "HD" which is far more than twice the price. Each optic has a very unique combination of lenses, glass types, chemical makeups, coatings, etc. so it's hard to standardize any one kind of lens as being "Best" or "Better than the rest" - it just depends on the optic and how it was designed.
@@VortexOpticsUSA Okay thanks, You can get a quantitative analysis of Vortex binoculars in comparison with other brands over at the optical test lab at allbinos.com. Far better than magazine infomericals.
@@VortexOpticsUSA I just purchased a Remington 700 ADL Varmint in 6.5 creedmore. I am looking at the vortex viper HS & HS-T 6-24x50mm. I know that I will be shooting 100-200 & hope to take it out farther. Which model to you recommend? Thank you, Peter
@@peterc9383 If you are planning to dial out frequently at those longer ranges I would check out the HS-T as the exposed turrets will make you more efficient at dialing. If you are going to be holding over for those longer range shots and it is primarily going to be for hunting I would look at the HS.
@@VortexOpticsUSA thank you. I'm looking at vortex pro series rings for the hs-t 6-24x50mm. Will the high rings work with a weaver rail? Will I need a cheek riser too? Thanks again
@@peterc9383 I would go with the Mediums for that setup. You should need a cheek riser, but that will depend a lot on how you shoulder the rifle, cheek structure, etc.
Hey i know it's been 4 years since this video but i have a question. I have a vortex viper 6-24x50 with exposed both windage and elevation turrets. It also has a paralax adjustment knob opposite the windage. It also has a illuminated first focal plane (Christmas tree) reticle, and the illumination is controlled by a knob on the eye piece. I cant seem to fit this description with any of your models. What model scope do i have?
I have the HST in 4-16x, and since the scope is the SFP, what would the best way in zeroing the scope? Start with a low setting or somewhere in the middle? Now what I have done, is set it up between the 8 and the 16 power settings and leave it there for all my shooting.
zeroing the scope can happen on any magnification at all - the center of your reticle never changes with a change in magnification and your turrets' adjustments are 100% UNaffected by magnification change, too. The only thing you need to worry about as you change magnification is if you intend to use the additional hashmarks on the reticle outside the center crosshair. The distance between those hashmarks have a specific relation to image size that only works when the image is at 1 of the powers in its magnification range (Almost always the highest magnification - including your case). As you zoom out and lower your magnification, the image size is effectively getting smaller, but the reticle isn't changing with it, so the relation of those hashmarks, their size and their orientation is changing in relation to the image. Does that make sense? In short - if you're just dialing and shooting off center crosshair, we wouldn't even worry about a thing! You're all good no matter what. - Jimmy H jchamilton@vortexoptics.com
What is the zero stop. I know what they do, but can't hardly find any details - particularly on this scope series. Can anyone articulate or share a Vortex link to how this is designed? Also doubtful, but does the Diamondback line have a zero stop?
Is HS-T 4-14x44 good for my new Kidd 10/22? Looking for some good reliable target scope with holdovers. I have crossfire 4-12 on another 10/22, I like it, but dont really like BDC and using it usually at 50 yards. I want to try Kidd at 300 yards and I think this scope will be perfect ) Thanks
i want to get my first vortex optic and i'm thinking about vortex diamond tactical 6-24x50 FFP or the viper hit 6-24x50 FFP. any advise as the difference in price segnificant
so the hst isnt ffp , thats the hs lr ? i wanted the hst in ffp . iv got the diamondback version in ffp but believe the glass is that bit better on the vipers ..not that i have any issues with the diamondback its the mutts nuts
Correct the HST is SFP and does not come in FFP. The closest you would get to getting the exact same optical system with FFP would be to go to the HS LR and then you'll just have to deal with a capped windage turret and a more hunting-focused reticle. There is also of course the PST, which now in its "Gen II" form, is a step up all around from the HST and available in FFP. Regardless of which route you go, the FFP scope will be more expensive than the HST. Hope this helps!
@@VortexOpticsUSA yeah sure , there will be a price hike .but you gets what you pays for .. il look them up thanks ... problem is parralax is out to 75 + m instead of 50 + .. il check them out . i could live with sfp if the glass is good and crosshairs are fine cheers
Is there an HST like Scope with the VMR-1 reticle but it's in FFP instead of SFP? The HST checks all the boxes for me except that, so if they had a version with that type of simple reticle I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Plz if anyone has some recommendations it would be much appreciated.
Within our line there isn’t really anything quite like that. Unfortunately, as you get into FFP scopes, to really maximize their usefulness, most of the scopes are going to have more technical reticles.
@@VortexOpticsUSA Thank you guys for getting back to me I've started looking into your PST Gen 1 or 2 3x15 scopes. Still have much to learn fairly new to the precision shooting. I used to be a Trap/skeet shooter but now finally graduating to rifles. First Scope is going to be a Vortex Optics
The Viper PA is the predecessor to the Viper HS series and all its variants. Thus, not quite as good and minus a few of the features these newer models have.
So I purchased the Vortex Viper HS 4-16X44. I zeroed my rifle Tikka T3X Lite in 6.5 Creedmoor with 0 MOA Talley rings at 100 yards. It’s advertised that the scope total elevation is 50 MOA but I counted all the MOA’s from bottom all the way up is 64.25, so my question is, is there such thing as having more MOA’s for elevation as what it’s advertised?
Vortex Optics thanks for the reply, I asked my coworker this question and he said the same scope you recommended, going to order it so I can slap it on a 338 Lapua
Sure, I had a number of moderately priced scopes on my 300, 340 and 378 Weatherbys, handloaded to the max - and then some. Also three 416's. Never a problem. (Wish I could say the same for the wooden stocks. Three of them cracked!)
The BDC is an MOA based reticle. The Viper HS-T uses the VMR-1 reticle which has optioned for MOA or MRAD and the Viper HS LR offer the XLR reticle in the 6-24x50 configuration. If you have any questions, please let me know.
The problem with the BDC is that It doesn’t work will all calibers. I have a HS-LR on my .308 shooting a 165 gr bullet the hash marks work out perfectly when zeroed at 100 yards. First hash mark is at 200, second at 300, etc. But with my 6.5 CM shooting a 95gr bullet the hash marks are at very odd yardages. Nothing I would consider usable. In my opinion the HS-LR should be offered in a simple mil or MOA reticle. the HS-T is available, and might be the route I take, but I’m not really into the giant windage knob. Just my two cents. Rock on!
@@00skeletor00 The Dead-Hold BDC is actually able to be used with any caliber. You would simply want to run the ammo you are shooting through a ballistic calculator to find out what your adjustments are. You would then relate this information to the reticle to perform your holds. It won't always align with 100 yard increments as it would be impossible to come up with a reticle that matched every single configuration.
One of the biggest issues I have with all these videos is they never start with FFP or SFP. That's probably the #1 issue. Newbies end up with something they don't even know how to use.
I have the 4-16 HST. I’m looking at tenebrex caps and they don’t have the HST listed. Would the caps they have listed for the HS be interchangeable with the HST?
I was seriously doing a google search on the differences between these scopes exactly. It wasnt until I refreshed that same google search that this video came up. My local Cabela's canadian location suggested I look at the HS-T for my rifle. Problem is, since being in that store, and the fact that I am a sucker for a good deal, I have yet to see the HS-T scope on sale. Currently, however, the HS is on sale for $200 dollars off, which puts it well below the price of the HS-T. I guess I'll keep holding out for a deal...that is unless VORTEX you want to throw me a good ol coupon code for a discount on an HS-T! Lol, thanks for the video though! Short and simple!
You know what they say, you learn something new every day.
Just added a Gen2 pst Viper ffp 5x25x50 to my Tikka Tac A1. Have a Gen1 on my T3 Tactical. So happy with my other Vortex scopes as well. Bravo Vortex.
The Viper HS-LR is what will be going on my 30-06 for sure.
Great to hear! Let us know if you run into any questions - we're always happy to help. - Erik (ebarber@vortexoptics.com)
Recently purchased the HS LR for my .300 Bergara HMR I hope it holds up to the recoil. I have been happy with my passed vortex purchased thus far. Great products and great company!
Should do just fine - just mount it in a quality set of rings to proper spec as indicated on the tag on the scope tube when you got it out of the box and there shouldn't be any problems.
I went for an hs 2.5x10 for my 243 short barrel remington. I'm never gonna kill anything over 500 yards so there's 0 reason for me to have 6x24 or hell even a 4x16. those magnifications are never gonna get used and I'd rather have a wider fov. also illumination and ffp aren't needed for less than 500 yards either. I like the capped elevation and windage alongside the addition of a side focus. if you're hitting targets with a bipod at 600+ yards than go for one of the pricier ones. if you're hunting whitetail the hs is perfect. ffp does more harm than good at lower magnifications and its awfully pricey. a 500 dollar sfp vs a 500 dollar ffp, everything about the sfp is gonna be superior because they didn't have to cut corners to make a ffp affordable.
That's the one I'm gonna get too for mostly the same reasons. As a hunting scope I don't need or want the complicated tactical reticle either.
I just bought my second Savage 10 FP SR .308. I am going to be shooting out to 600 to 800 yards with this rifle and also might be using it on an elk and pronghorn hunt. Which scope do you recommend Vortex?
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Do they make a vortex viper hs lr 4-16x50 with a 34mmtube? And how much elevation will it give
great video :) what is PST ?
I was thinking of getting one. Two questions: 1) Is the glass quality the same in all 3 series?
2) Vortex says all three series have HD objective lenses? Is that true? And If so, how can they put it in such moderately priced scopes?
1) yes 2) "HD" in the optical world is really just a marketing term and has no exact specification as to which glass is HD and which is not. The Viper series has an excellent optical system which we label an "HD" optical system, though it wouldn't be nearly as good as the Razor "HD" which is far more than twice the price. Each optic has a very unique combination of lenses, glass types, chemical makeups, coatings, etc. so it's hard to standardize any one kind of lens as being "Best" or "Better than the rest" - it just depends on the optic and how it was designed.
@@VortexOpticsUSA Okay thanks, You can get a quantitative analysis of Vortex binoculars in comparison with other brands over at the optical test lab at allbinos.com. Far better than magazine infomericals.
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@@jerrybrakebill71 Go back to sleep.
I love Vortex Scopes! Biggest bang for your buck!
Thank you!
@@VortexOpticsUSA I just purchased a Remington 700 ADL Varmint in 6.5 creedmore. I am looking at the vortex viper HS & HS-T 6-24x50mm. I know that I will be shooting 100-200 & hope to take it out farther. Which model to you recommend? Thank you, Peter
@@peterc9383 If you are planning to dial out frequently at those longer ranges I would check out the HS-T as the exposed turrets will make you more efficient at dialing. If you are going to be holding over for those longer range shots and it is primarily going to be for hunting I would look at the HS.
@@VortexOpticsUSA thank you. I'm looking at vortex pro series rings for the hs-t 6-24x50mm. Will the high rings work with a weaver rail? Will I need a cheek riser too? Thanks again
@@peterc9383 I would go with the Mediums for that setup. You should need a cheek riser, but that will depend a lot on how you shoulder the rifle, cheek structure, etc.
Having issues figuring out how many MOAs is each hashmark on your VMR-1. Is it 1 MOA for every mark or is it 2 MOA for every mark?
Hey i know it's been 4 years since this video but i have a question.
I have a vortex viper 6-24x50 with exposed both windage and elevation turrets. It also has a paralax adjustment knob opposite the windage. It also has a illuminated first focal plane (Christmas tree) reticle, and the illumination is controlled by a knob on the eye piece.
I cant seem to fit this description with any of your models. What model scope do i have?
What knob was on the left for the hs?
I have the HST in 4-16x, and since the scope is the SFP, what would the best way in zeroing the scope? Start with a low setting or somewhere in the middle? Now what I have done, is set it up between the 8 and the 16 power settings and leave it there for all my shooting.
zeroing the scope can happen on any magnification at all - the center of your reticle never changes with a change in magnification and your turrets' adjustments are 100% UNaffected by magnification change, too. The only thing you need to worry about as you change magnification is if you intend to use the additional hashmarks on the reticle outside the center crosshair. The distance between those hashmarks have a specific relation to image size that only works when the image is at 1 of the powers in its magnification range (Almost always the highest magnification - including your case). As you zoom out and lower your magnification, the image size is effectively getting smaller, but the reticle isn't changing with it, so the relation of those hashmarks, their size and their orientation is changing in relation to the image. Does that make sense? In short - if you're just dialing and shooting off center crosshair, we wouldn't even worry about a thing! You're all good no matter what. - Jimmy H jchamilton@vortexoptics.com
Great info bro thanks.
What do the Acronyms mean? HS? T?
How about a review like this on the strike eagle 4-24x50 please!
3 Percent Mick I love mine and went to buy another and for some reason ok Midway USA they are discontinued
Thank you
Oh and new zero stop is brilliant.
What is the zero stop. I know what they do, but can't hardly find any details - particularly on this scope series. Can anyone articulate or share a Vortex link to how this is designed? Also doubtful, but does the Diamondback line have a zero stop?
Is HS-T 4-14x44 good for my new Kidd 10/22? Looking for some good reliable target scope with holdovers. I have crossfire 4-12 on another 10/22, I like it, but dont really like BDC and using it usually at 50 yards. I want to try Kidd at 300 yards and I think this scope will be perfect )
Thanks
Are you guys gonna do a gen 2 hs lr ????
i want to get my first vortex optic and i'm thinking about vortex diamond tactical 6-24x50 FFP or the viper hit 6-24x50 FFP. any advise as the difference in price segnificant
What does VMR-1 mean?
If they made the Strike Eagle in the VMR 1 reticle I’d be all over it.
What is the subtension magnification for the HST 4-16x44? On my other Viper it is clearly marked with a white line at 14 power.
Hey Paul - it is at the highest magnification (16x).
Would you recommend the HS 2.5 10x42 for a .300wsm in Nevada for elk?
Absolutely! That would be a great choice for that setup.
Is the HS a first or second focal plane scope?
The HS is a SFP
so the hst isnt ffp , thats the hs lr ? i wanted the hst in ffp . iv got the diamondback version in ffp but believe the glass is that bit better on the vipers ..not that i have any issues with the diamondback its the mutts nuts
Correct the HST is SFP and does not come in FFP. The closest you would get to getting the exact same optical system with FFP would be to go to the HS LR and then you'll just have to deal with a capped windage turret and a more hunting-focused reticle. There is also of course the PST, which now in its "Gen II" form, is a step up all around from the HST and available in FFP. Regardless of which route you go, the FFP scope will be more expensive than the HST. Hope this helps!
@@VortexOpticsUSA yeah sure , there will be a price hike .but you gets what you pays for .. il look them up thanks ... problem is parralax is out to 75 + m instead of 50 + .. il check them out . i could live with sfp if the glass is good and crosshairs are fine cheers
Is there an HST like Scope with the VMR-1 reticle but it's in FFP instead of SFP? The HST checks all the boxes for me except that, so if they had a version with that type of simple reticle I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Plz if anyone has some recommendations it would be much appreciated.
Within our line there isn’t really anything quite like that. Unfortunately, as you get into FFP scopes, to really maximize their usefulness, most of the scopes are going to have more technical reticles.
@@VortexOpticsUSA Thank you guys for getting back to me I've started looking into your PST Gen 1 or 2 3x15 scopes. Still have much to learn fairly new to the precision shooting. I used to be a Trap/skeet shooter but now finally graduating to rifles. First Scope is going to be a Vortex Optics
And what’s the difference between these and viper PA?
The Viper PA is the predecessor to the Viper HS series and all its variants. Thus, not quite as good and minus a few of the features these newer models have.
Thank you for responding. Viper HST for me then.
So I purchased the Vortex Viper HS 4-16X44. I zeroed my rifle Tikka T3X Lite in 6.5 Creedmoor with 0 MOA Talley rings at 100 yards. It’s advertised that the scope total elevation is 50 MOA but I counted all the MOA’s from bottom all the way up is 64.25, so my question is, is there such thing as having more MOA’s for elevation as what it’s advertised?
I want to shoot at a mile, which scope should I buy?
Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56 would be our ideal choice.
Vortex Optics thanks for the reply, I asked my coworker this question and he said the same scope you recommended, going to order it so I can slap it on a 338 Lapua
@@ZERO_42069 Happy to help - happy shooting! Let us know how it goes.
Will the hs-lr 4-16x44 handle the recoil of a .300 wby mag?
Sure, I had a number of moderately priced scopes on my 300, 340 and 378 Weatherbys, handloaded to the max - and then some. Also three 416's. Never a problem. (Wish I could say the same for the wooden stocks. Three of them cracked!)
You guys seriously need to offer these scopes in mil or MOA reticle options. BDC reticles are trash.
The BDC is an MOA based reticle. The Viper HS-T uses the VMR-1 reticle which has optioned for MOA or MRAD and the Viper HS LR offer the XLR reticle in the 6-24x50 configuration. If you have any questions, please let me know.
The problem with the BDC is that It doesn’t work will all calibers. I have a HS-LR on my .308 shooting a 165 gr bullet the hash marks work out perfectly when zeroed at 100 yards. First hash mark is at 200, second at 300, etc. But with my 6.5 CM shooting a 95gr bullet the hash marks are at very odd yardages. Nothing I would consider usable. In my opinion the HS-LR should be offered in a simple mil or MOA reticle. the HS-T is available, and might be the route I take, but I’m not really into the giant windage knob. Just my two cents. Rock on!
@@00skeletor00 The Dead-Hold BDC is actually able to be used with any caliber. You would simply want to run the ammo you are shooting through a ballistic calculator to find out what your adjustments are. You would then relate this information to the reticle to perform your holds. It won't always align with 100 yard increments as it would be impossible to come up with a reticle that matched every single configuration.
@@VortexOpticsUSA ya schooled him boss
One of the biggest issues I have with all these videos is they never start with FFP or SFP. That's probably the #1 issue. Newbies end up with something they don't even know how to use.
Can u do how to rang with the them
You can definitely do that! We shot a video about it which you can find here: ua-cam.com/video/EpS7iWplQZI/v-deo.html
Should have kept the gen 1 scopes 😭😭 I like them more than the gen 2
keenan walker why is gen 1 better?
I have the 4-16 HST. I’m looking at tenebrex caps and they don’t have the HST listed. Would the caps they have listed for the HS be interchangeable with the HST?
similar glass?
Absolutely - the HS, HST and HSLR all use the same optical system.
My Viper HS only has 2 turrets.
I love the HS-T version. Where can I get one within my price range... say, a hundred fifty bucks? :(
Kentucky Justice Primary Arms
When's looks smaller on the HS
Never...