I was deciding between the CS6 and the Speedfire, I was so glad I went with the Speedfire when I upgraded to PrimeScan. It does Zirconia faster and I love using Tessera with a 4 1/2 minute firing time it was such a game changer for me. I keep my CS on hand when I do Zirc in the Speedfire but need it to do a Tessera/emax at the same time.
I do like the Speedfire for Katana zirconia. And if you like Tessera, the speedfire works well. However, the Speedfire is not the furnace of choice for e.max, 3Y zirconia, lucite, and micro feldspathic ceramics. e.max is still the standard of strength and function and will fire at 11 minutes in the CS6. The Speedfire is a limited furnace, unless your material portfolio is Tessera and Katana. And be careful with Tessera, this is not a clinical time proven material. Independent studies are show it to be similar to Celtra, which has not performed well. All the best.
i am suffering badly with the speedfire ,as in last 6months it went wrong twice and the Dentsply as usual handed over a hefty repair bill .now planning to get a cs6 furnace cant rely on spedfire anymore.well DR.JAMES can you elaborate a bit about the maintenance of cs6 // and how often it troubles , if compared with speedfire.
If you could only have one furnace , would this be the one? For Zirconium sintering and glazing and staining? And Emax for crystallization and glazing and staining? Thank you so much for your wisdom.
Absolutely yes. And it is a furance built for future products as well. The e.max super fast cycle makes it worth it, and other firing advantages will come soon!
Jim, great work I just changed my Speedfast for a CS6 on your feedback, enjoying it immensely. Do you have any links to order the Meisinger JK02/03 kits downunder in Australia. Is it something that Ivoclar could manage or better to go through US sites
Hello Dr. Klim, great video. How do you handle 4-unit bridges? The manual says the programs are for maximum 3-unit bridges? Do you also do more than 3-unit bridges chairside? Thank you
It depends on the size of the individual units in the bridge. I have done a 5-unit bridge in this furnace. The limiting factor will be the block's size and the bridge's length. The longest esthetic block is the ZirCAD MT Multi. On the other hand, when I am milling from a disc and 5-axis mill, I will use a furnace that can handle a longer bridge. For this, I use the Programat S2. For most in-office produced procedures, the CS6 is very adequate.
@KlimDDS thanks for your answer. So if i have a 4-unit bridge that fits in the Zircad LT-Block, can i use the speed-programfor a 3-unit bridge, or do i have to tweak some settings? Thank you
I have the Speedfire and am rather unhappy with it as I am doing mostly e.max restorations. Crystallization times are really long and for some reason the ceramics turn out more grayish compared to the ivoclar shade guide. Anyone else having this issue? Thinking about switching tothe CS6
Dr. Klim Have a prime scan, Mcxl, And a speed fire Question is I want either cs6 or cs2. I plan on keeping my speedfire for katana (I use this mostly when doing zirconia) and the other for Emax. I’ve come to the conclusion that Emax is not replaceable with the dud celtra duo or the new tessera. I’m leaning towards the cs2 mostly for cost but am I being too short sighted?
Hi Aaron. CS2 is good and I use it. The CS6 has a faster cycle for e.max at ~11 minutes vs ~15 for the CS2. In addition, the CS6 is future-focused for some products that will be becoming on the market. It is true, the CS6 has a higher price tag. If you are going for the CS2, try eBay. All the best.
Hey Dr.Klim, I love the quality videos you create, thank you. Im just starting to get into cerec myself and was wondering if you recommend getting the cerec speedfire to start or jump straight to the programat cs6?
The Speedfire is excellent for Katana and Tessera but not good for e.max and ceramics or glazing, it take too long. The CS6 is the best for e.max and other brand zirconia. Even before the CS6, I recommended an additional furnace for ceramics over the Speedfire. Right now, I recommend both the Speedfire and CS6. With these two you will have your finishing theater to manage all the materials on the market and coming.
The advantage of the SpeedFire is the 18 and one-half minute cycle for Katana, Whereas the strength of the CS6 is the 11 and one-half minute cycle for e.max. The Katana cycle can be programmed for the CS6 at about 23 minutes.
Jim, another question, after sintering of Emax or Zirc, what is best program for refinemeent tint at lower time line. Have you found one of the programs is better
The CS6 is designed for chairside uses and the available blocks such as ZirCAD LT, ZirCAD MT Multi and e.max. It fires both ceramics and zirconia. The S2 on the other hand is applicable primarily to zirconia and is designed to fire a wide variety of zirconia including ZirCAD Prime.
@@gregors.5734 The CS6, as I made in the previous comment, is made for milled chairside products in the CEREC system. Puck-milled materials such as ZirCAD Prime and the ZirCAD MT Multi, from a puck, require the heating elements in the S1 or S2. I just milled a ZirCAD MT Multi from a puck and had to sinter in the S1 for almost five hours. The value of the CS6 is for same day delivery, and the materials supplied in a block are formulated accordingly. A puck-milled formula such as the ZirCAD Prime and ZirCAD MT Multi is not prepared for speed and is in the lab realm of products for strength and aesthetics, not speed.
I bought the CS6 recently, and I am bit torn in my opinion on it. It's strange that it does not came with preprogrammed Zircad Prime settings for example, and the cool down phase prior to any new firing is annoying. After listening to your video here I checked the sinter times for Zircad LT, but the manual says any infiltration needs a long cycle and cannot be speed sintered. How do you manage that or do you simply ignore that ?
Can I use the normal stain and glaze on my emax for the P1 speed/spray option ~11min, or can I only use the P2 speed/glaze option ~16min? Thanks in advance
When placing the Crystall glaze thinner, the speed cycle can be used. Better yet, use the MiYO 850 glaze, and there is no bubbling in the P1 cycle. This is my approach.
I have a question, we recently bought a CS6, i used it with the Zircad Multi A2 in normal sinter program, not speed sintering, but it came out as B2-B3, do you have an idea why it's too bright? Thank you for your videos!
Thanks Dr Klim!!! We are so fortunate to have you wisdom at our fingertips!
I was deciding between the CS6 and the Speedfire, I was so glad I went with the Speedfire when I upgraded to PrimeScan. It does Zirconia faster and I love using Tessera with a 4 1/2 minute firing time it was such a game changer for me. I keep my CS on hand when I do Zirc in the Speedfire but need it to do a Tessera/emax at the same time.
I do like the Speedfire for Katana zirconia. And if you like Tessera, the speedfire works well. However, the Speedfire is not the furnace of choice for e.max, 3Y zirconia, lucite, and micro feldspathic ceramics. e.max is still the standard of strength and function and will fire at 11 minutes in the CS6. The Speedfire is a limited furnace, unless your material portfolio is Tessera and Katana. And be careful with Tessera, this is not a clinical time proven material. Independent studies are show it to be similar to Celtra, which has not performed well. All the best.
i am suffering badly with the speedfire ,as in last 6months it went wrong twice and the Dentsply as usual handed over a hefty repair bill .now planning to get a cs6 furnace cant rely on spedfire anymore.well DR.JAMES can you elaborate a bit about the maintenance of cs6 // and how often it troubles , if compared with speedfire.
If you could only have one furnace , would this be the one? For Zirconium sintering and glazing and staining? And Emax for crystallization and glazing and staining? Thank you so much for your wisdom.
Absolutely yes. And it is a furance built for future products as well. The e.max super fast cycle makes it worth it, and other firing advantages will come soon!
Jim, great work I just changed my Speedfast for a CS6 on your feedback, enjoying it immensely. Do you have any links to order the Meisinger JK02/03 kits downunder in Australia. Is it something that Ivoclar could manage or better to go through US sites
Are you able to order from USA Meisigner, other than that, I do not fully understand the trade laws.
Hello Dr. Klim, great video. How do you handle 4-unit bridges? The manual says the programs are for maximum 3-unit bridges? Do you also do more than 3-unit bridges chairside? Thank you
It depends on the size of the individual units in the bridge. I have done a 5-unit bridge in this furnace. The limiting factor will be the block's size and the bridge's length. The longest esthetic block is the ZirCAD MT Multi. On the other hand, when I am milling from a disc and 5-axis mill, I will use a furnace that can handle a longer bridge. For this, I use the Programat S2. For most in-office produced procedures, the CS6 is very adequate.
@KlimDDS thanks for your answer. So if i have a 4-unit bridge that fits in the Zircad LT-Block, can i use the speed-programfor a 3-unit bridge, or do i have to tweak some settings? Thank you
@@AndréMüller-v3k One can, but I do not recommend it. The longer cycle will be significantly more transparent.
where to get this preparation diamonds for occlusal reduction?
These are 1.5 and 2.0 reduction diamond burs by Meisinger.
I have the Speedfire and am rather unhappy with it as I am doing mostly e.max restorations. Crystallization times are really long and for some reason the ceramics turn out more grayish compared to the ivoclar shade guide. Anyone else having this issue?
Thinking about switching tothe CS6
Good ideal. The Speedfire is really a Katana furnace and not a ceramic furnace. All the best. the CS6 will be good for years to come.
Just amazing! Learn a lot❤❤❤
As always, your video is packed with usefull info. Thank you so much. CS6 is in my shopping basket. 😁
Dr. Klim
Have a prime scan,
Mcxl,
And a speed fire
Question is I want either cs6 or cs2. I plan on keeping my speedfire for katana (I use this mostly when doing zirconia) and the other for Emax. I’ve come to the conclusion that Emax is not replaceable with the dud celtra duo or the new tessera. I’m leaning towards the cs2 mostly for cost but am I being too short sighted?
Hi Aaron. CS2 is good and I use it. The CS6 has a faster cycle for e.max at ~11 minutes vs ~15 for the CS2. In addition, the CS6 is future-focused for some products that will be becoming on the market. It is true, the CS6 has a higher price tag. If you are going for the CS2, try eBay. All the best.
Thank you Jim! Maybe a used one is the way to go for now. You’re the best! Always a blessing.
Aaron
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Hey Dr.Klim, I love the quality videos you create, thank you. Im just starting to get into cerec myself and was wondering if you recommend getting the cerec speedfire to start or jump straight to the programat cs6?
The Speedfire is excellent for Katana and Tessera but not good for e.max and ceramics or glazing, it take too long. The CS6 is the best for e.max and other brand zirconia. Even before the CS6, I recommended an additional furnace for ceramics over the Speedfire. Right now, I recommend both the Speedfire and CS6. With these two you will have your finishing theater to manage all the materials on the market and coming.
@@KlimDDS Thank you, excited to finally enter digital dentistry!
@@adamchukhman2266 There is a lot of online CEREC training at www.cadstar.org. Check it out. All the best.
The advantage of the SpeedFire is the 18 and one-half minute cycle for Katana, Whereas the strength of the CS6 is the 11 and one-half minute cycle for e.max. The Katana cycle can be programmed for the CS6 at about 23 minutes.
@@KlimDDS what if you had to pick only one of the two. I am a solo practitioner and I don’t think my volume enough to justify two furnaces.
Jim, another question, after sintering of Emax or Zirc, what is best program for refinemeent tint at lower time line. Have you found one of the programs is better
It depends on what glaze and coloring system you are using. I prefer Ivocolor and MiYO Esthetic. and yes, the CS6 can be programmed for this.
Thanks so much for this video. I love it. What are the main differences between the cs6 and the programmat S2
The CS6 is designed for chairside uses and the available blocks such as ZirCAD LT, ZirCAD MT Multi and e.max. It fires both ceramics and zirconia. The S2 on the other hand is applicable primarily to zirconia and is designed to fire a wide variety of zirconia including ZirCAD Prime.
@@KlimDDS I find it strange that the CS6 does not Sinter the Zircad Prime coming straight from the manufacturer, nor that I can be program to do so...
@@gregors.5734 The CS6, as I made in the previous comment, is made for milled chairside products in the CEREC system. Puck-milled materials such as ZirCAD Prime and the ZirCAD MT Multi, from a puck, require the heating elements in the S1 or S2. I just milled a ZirCAD MT Multi from a puck and had to sinter in the S1 for almost five hours. The value of the CS6 is for same day delivery, and the materials supplied in a block are formulated accordingly. A puck-milled formula such as the ZirCAD Prime and ZirCAD MT Multi is not prepared for speed and is in the lab realm of products for strength and aesthetics, not speed.
I bought the CS6 recently, and I am bit torn in my opinion on it. It's strange that it does not came with preprogrammed Zircad Prime settings for example, and the cool down phase prior to any new firing is annoying. After listening to your video here I checked the sinter times for Zircad LT, but the manual says any infiltration needs a long cycle and cannot be speed sintered. How do you manage that or do you simply ignore that ?
Just use the drying cycle, that can be turned on in the command screen, it takes 10 minutes, and then proceeds with the sinteting
Can I use the normal stain and glaze on my emax for the P1 speed/spray option ~11min, or can I only use the P2 speed/glaze option ~16min? Thanks in advance
When placing the Crystall glaze thinner, the speed cycle can be used. Better yet, use the MiYO 850 glaze, and there is no bubbling in the P1 cycle. This is my approach.
I have a question, we recently bought a CS6, i used it with the Zircad Multi A2 in normal sinter program, not speed sintering, but it came out as B2-B3, do you have an idea why it's too bright?
Thank you for your videos!
with ZirCAD Multi, use 1-2 shade darker than target shade. That is what I do. And once polished, it comes down a shade as well. All the best!
@@KlimDDS Thank you!