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The Badab War is the name given to one of the most serious rebellions in recent Imperial history. While the conflict is named for a planet (or system of the same name), the war actually took place throughout the several sectors of Imperial space known as the Maelstrom Zone. The war saw four entire Space Marine Chapters secede and rebel against the Imperium.
The Badab War is notable for several reasons; the leader of the rebellious forces, Lufgt Huron, would survive the end of the war and return to trouble Imperial space once more as the Chaos-alligned warlord known as Huron Blackheart, while the conflict itself involved a significant number of warring Space Marine Chapters as the primary participants. - Розваги
I love how when Huron asked for reinforcements to contain the maelstrom the Imperium said that they couldn't spare any troops. But the MOMENT that he stops paying taxes they find all these supposedly unavailable chapters to fight him
Same irl with the IRS
Would you expect any less from the Imperium of all people?
Oh it gets even better later my dude. In the present day lore, the High Lords are thinking of making a whole new founding JUST to fight Huron. Which is the pinnacle of comedy.
Tbf, they couldn't spare any troops. Huron was doing okay and their was no reason to justify taking troops away from active engagements just to satisfy the preferences the astral claws defence strategy. Once Huron went renegade they can justify the troops because he's become an active threat that is disrupting the area and could potentially put the entire sector in jeopardy. It's not a matter of available reinforcements, it's about priorities.
the worst enemy of the Imperium, has ever had is itself; more specifically the bureaucratic BS.
High Lords: "You have the freedom to not pay your taxes. You also have the freedom to visit the pain monster."
Minotaurs: "See you April 15th folks!"
I can just imagine the most gravel voiced, mechanical filtered Minotaur in Terminator armour standing outside your door saying they'd like to have a talk with you about your unpaid taxes. Actually, considering the Minotaurs I feel like he would go through your door and possibly through you before announcing this.
@@consolescrub4031 "We'de like to have a talk with you about your unpaid taxes." The Minotaur says after curb stomping you repeatedly into a pinkish red smear on the floor.
@@Roark787 Exactly although to be true to the Minotaur experience he'd have to be stealing everything you own while he does it.
@@consolescrub4031you call it stealing. They call it repossession
" Tax evasion is a crime, Huron! " ' It's an obligation. ' " You're a heretic! " ' And you're a Fed. '
what about lawnchair possession?
Based
Something that was missed, part of the reason that the Marines Errant were unwilling to be so aggressive was due to them being Honour Brothers with the Lamenters due to serving together multiple times. As such when the Lamenters and Marines Errant faced each other they were very chill mostly just moving ships around each other and waving flags until one side left. This made both chapters respective allies angry.
This gives me "Poland-Japan relashionship in WWII" vibes
Then the Marines Errant would get suckered punched by the Red Corsairs a few centuries later, with a large amount of geneseed stolen when the Corsairs lured away the Marines Errant defense fleets.
Very interesting information!
@Rapture-nv5vj to be fair, how often were the Pols and Japs bumping into each other?
It was at that Moment the marine's errants realized they had made a Bad choice on which side to follow. To their merit However, they, as soon as they realized immediately turned around, asked for forgiveness and said that they would go on a penitent to grace. They didn't even need to be asked. just immediately were like. Well now we're gonna go off and go do a punishment Crusade see you in a hundred years if we survive. And just left.
How do you know you've found Huron's drumset?
It goes "Badab-tss!"
I'll cement myself in the walls of the Scola Progenium...
I'm stealing that.
Here, let me help
I'm gonna build my own Sector, with pirates and demon monkeys!
Important thing to note about the Marines Errant: owing to actions in an earlier conflict, the Corinthian Crusade, the Marines Errant and the Lamenters were actually best buddies who had unbelieveable respect for one another and because of that the Lamenters actually refused to outright battle with the Marines Errant when they were both "fighting" each other in the Pale Stars, instead they employed positioning and manouvres to force the other party to leave the battlefield or risk costly defeats in any actual battle. The two basically had a gentlemen's agreement with each other just going through the motions without actually fighting because they sure as hell weren't feeling like fighting with their best buddies. This is also why the Marines Errant were eventually reassigned and the Minotaurs decided to go upend the Pale Stars (because clearly that sector of space was lacking some proper fighting and they were gonna make-up for it!).
And regarding the sacking of the Lamenters by the Minotaurs, it should be said that despite being hopelessly outmatched, their defeat a certainty AND all the usual patented Lamenter bad luck going into overdrive during their last stand, they gave the Minotaurs such a good fight they earned some ***serious*** street cred with the Minotaurs (which is also sorta a bad thing because it made them want to fight them even more, but I digress).
Minotaurs went into the Pale Stars because they saw a bunch of pansies and wanted to give them a proper fight. They ended up getting everything they wanted and more!
That's why we love the lamenters. depressed and constantly fucked over, they always resist and bite. hard. they are also very noble the entire time.
Didn’t the Minotaurs win by pinning the lamenters against their own infirmary? Because they knew the lamenters wouldn’t retreat and leave their injured behind, forcing them into a losing position.
Huron at the end of this episode: "It's so over."
Huron, joining chaos: "We're so back."
Can't wait for next week's episode
One of the biggest antagonists of this story are honestly the Firehawks.
They were sent in to stop a small kitchen fire, but they loaded up their fire truck with gasoline setting ablaze the entire building and then beat up everyone who escaped the burning building.
All the while acting like *they* were the victims because one of the burn victims bumped into one of them making them spill one of their beers on the floor.
I wonder if the emperor made start to combust as a bit of punishment as well as reward like “you wanted my favor at the cost of the wardens and you’re pride so here have a power up but be careful not to get fucked over like you did the wardens”
Well in the end they got what they deserved, burning and fighting forever as deamons of the legion of the dammed
@@zombieslasher134 they didnt combust they got lost in the warp.
@@AsheriancommandFlamehawks be like:
"OOOOoooh AmbatuCOMBUST"
@@kirbking8074 wrong people?
This all happened because the high lords feared Huron would become so lauded and mighty that he could refuse them. His chapters were being stretched so thin and all he asked for was enough to keep going. They said no, so he said whelp guess there's nobody around to make me pay right? And then they immediately send more space marines he could have used for the imperium against him instead. Huron did nothing wrong.
"enough to keep going"
The guy wanted an entirely new founding. Hes basically asking to double his numbers.
The worst enemy of the Imperium really is the Imperium itself
A guy asks for troops to keep a section secure, and Terra tells him to get stuffed, they don't have enough spare troops. The guy stops paying his taxes, and suddenly Terra can summon spare troops to force him to pay his taxes
Also funny for ultramar and the minotaurs: the minotaurs were also used in the coup to overthrow guilliman so ultramar REALLY doesn't like the minotaurs.
According to their lore *nobody* likes the Minotaurs apart from the High Lords, it seems like every other Marine chapter hates their guts for one reason or another...except maybe the Black Templars...most others hate them for being the High Lords Lackey Chapter essentially. Nobody likes serving alongside them, Imperial Guard even more so than any of the Marines.
It's why the High Lords/Inquisition tend to use them as targetted removal rather than have them out on campaigns, usually deploying them to crush rebellions in the most brutal way possible.
Guiliman has since then been lowkey screwing over the Minotaur's at every operntunuty since he came back. Well deserved might I add
@@luketfer It's hilarious if the rumours that they're Iron Warriors successors are true. Imagine the Minotaurs complaining amongst themselves they always get the shit jobs that other Marines are considered not expendable enough for and that their worth isn't being appreciated (because everyone except the High Lords hate their guts). You'd have Perturabo mark 2 instantly.
Well when your job is to be the beating stick against the loyalist chapters you're not going to have many friends in the imperium
At least they are given all the cool toys as payment.
Huron: “I’m *NOT* paying my taxes!”
Lamenters: “It’s all down hill from here… Again.”
*Badab War happens*
Tyberos: “I’m going for a walk…”
Astarion Molac: *deploys at full chapter strength* “Waz good, brothaz?!”
"Hey, guys! How's your health plan?"
@@Domesthenes Lamenters: *have chapter supplies*
Minotaurs entire chapter: "Apparently it's great!"
High lords: So you went for a walk...
Tyberus and Asterun: (piles on piles of Astartes and Tyrands legion) A VERY enthusiastic walk
You forgot the coolest part, Huron also trained a legion of guardsman equivalent called "The Tyrants Guard" who could hold their own against Astartes better than most guardsmen would. They were also trained and led by Astral Claws, these Guard were even allowed to wear their new chapter insignia The Tyrants Claw.
he mentioned them in the previous episode
@@thesalamanders8740 Doesn't give them enough credit imo
Fuck that’s metal!
Did Bricky mention the behind the scenes of why the Badab war happened? If i recall right, this was before the heresy was fleshed out, and GW didn't want to set things in stone yet. So they created a mini Horus Heresy. Huron is Horus (its even just a couple letters off) and theres 18 chapters fighting. The chaos side is slowly corrupted as time goes on, but still claims its just to stand up against imperial tyrany.
Pretty sure in its original version in Rogue Trader there is no Chaos, it might even predate the Realm of Chaos books so Chaos litterly wasn't even a thing in the setting. It was a way to show of a bunch of chapters and their alternate campaign color schemes (which stopped being a thing by 2nd edition). Probably also there too show and justify space marine vs space marine battles since they were such a popular faction.
@@101Mant Pretty much this, also back then Space Marines were less 'Emperor's Super Soldiers' and heavily played into the 'Psychotic roided out fascist enforcers' aspect that GW have tried to move away from (but kept in the lore because, lets be honest, they are exactly that). As in they were *clearly* meant to be a stand in for Star Wars style Stormtroopers and the enforcement of the Status Quo (which went against the Punk Culture most of the authors subscribed to). The original 40k art usually depicts them fairly unfavorably and certainly nowhere near as heroic as modern 40k does (heck you even have one being openly gunned down by a proto-sister of battle).
Big ups to the Lamenters. They got taken by surprised by the Minotaurs and forced to fight them in close quarters (The Minotaur's specialization) and the fight was HARD WON. The Minotaurs were the personal attack dogs of the High Lords of Terra meant for anti-Astartes combat. And the Lamenters put up a hard fight. Look at my bad luck good bois.
The Lexicanum entry notes it was a 17 hour fight and while the Lamenters lost, the entire strength of the Minotaurs was placed on guard duty until the end of the war implying they got hit back pretty hard. That said, the entry also says the Minotaurs were regarded as the close combat experts of the war until the Carcharodons arrived so there's probably a little bias in the entry. (Space Sharks are good in melee but it's Spartan Iron Warriors vs Pacific Islander Night Lords so it's probably either in the Minotaurs favour or too close to tell.)
Yep. People often focus so much on the bad luck, that they forget how incredibly competent the Lamenters have to be in order to *survive* all that bad luck.
The fun bit that Bricky missed is that Moloc and the Carcharodons chapter master(Tyberos the red wake) are huge. Like big enough that Tyberos might be bigger than most Primarchs, using a quick google, he has a full foot on Bobby Girlyman. Tyberos wears Dreadnaught pieces because there isn't any standard power armor that fits him. Moloc was described as having the strongest stink of violence ever encountered by a Custodian.
Imagine being a 7ish foot tall Lamenter and one of these titans enters the fray. "I suddenly know what traitor guardsmen feel like when my brothers and I fight them. I do not like it."
He didn't miss them....the minotaurs and charcarodons haven't joined the war yet so there's no reason to mention em, and also they have episodes on both chapters individually
@@shamrockshnake1366 Did you not watch the part about them reducing the human population of the pale stars by 20%?
Note he doesn't wear Dreadnought pieces, he has to use pieces of Terminator armour for his regular armour because he is so big. The confusion comes from the fact they call Terminator armour "Tactical Dreadnought Armour" when describing it.
Ah, forgot about that, he's still a big boy. @@xenostyrant4118
@@xenostyrant4118 Tyberios doesn't wear standard plate. He wears heavily modified terminator armor which was modified using dreadnaught pieces because it was the only way to get it to fit.
The Angstrom Incident is peak Mechanicus for me.
"I don't give a shit about your politics Imperial, give me my money or no guns for you"
The entire Badab War was caused not by taxes. But by a really really really salty Inquisitor that didn't liked being called out by the Astral Claws when they defended the Lamenter against his "You didn't kill the space hulk quick enough" beratement.
Then that Inquisitor made it HIS LIFE MISSION, to ensure the Astral Claws never got anything then requested from Terra.
So the Badab War could've been avoided, if this really really really salty Inquisitor, was given 'the boot' to put it lightly?
@@ZanaTheBatPonymore like given the bolt
@@michaelmrozek604 Hah, that's even better! XD
How to describe the minotaurs marines
"They're the stellio cantos of 40k, they're as mean as they're greek"
🎶Stelio! Stelio KANTOS! Stelio..., Stelio Kantos!🎶
We forget louise
@@lornbaker1083 nah, Louise came later as part of a remix (and might not be Greek). We're going with the original Stelio theme here. Louise can be the Primaris Marines.
You forget about 3 distinct possibilities about the Ambush at grief.
1) Raiders wouldn't want the war to end because it would bring back stability and order to the region. Remember. Huron was very effective at pacifying the area.
2) Huron could have planned the attack from the get go, to eliminate the head of the Red Scorpion delegation, but more importantly, kill his potential Rival Chapter Master of the Mantís Warriors. With their chapter master dead. The newly elected one would likely differ decisions to his senior, especially as the war escalates.
3) The Inquisitor could have done so to decapitate the insurrectionists early, and if he killed the chapter master of the red Scorpions, then the same scenario for Huron could play out here.
46:15 If you like the Lamenters, it's because you've acquired a taste for the Depresso Expresso.
It baffles me how much I actually like the Ultramarines now just because they hate Minotaurs and Bobby G yeeted some of the High Lords. What baffles me even more is that thanks to this channel, my two favorite Muhreen groups are the Ultramarines and the Iron Warriors.
The competent legions on both sides
Huron: Hey, I need some help securing the maelstrom. Can I have, like, three more chapters.
Terra: We can’t afford to send more aid, sorry.
Huron: Ok. I can work with this. Our tithes are going to be delayed, as we need every resource at our disposal to completely secure this area from chaos and xenos.
Terra: You aren’t paying your taxes. SEND EVERYTHING TO KILL THIS MAN!
Yeah I feel like the Badab War honestly shows just how the Imperium is often times its own worst enemy with just how dumb it can get and how it isn't this 'uber-awesome' empire. It's a nightmare of red tape, nepotism, fascism and xenophobia. The fact that we *know* there are worlds that the Imperium just forgets about, stops asking for tithes, stops sending troops, stops sending food etc. These aren't important places with hive cities or anything, this are human outposts on the fringes that are completely forgotten about that are relying on those imports, the population left to fight for scraps or do their best to survive.
The Executioners only joined on Huron's side due to a debt of Honour to the Astral Claws who saved the chapter from extinction in the past.
So "Who would've guessed the Executioners would join the Chaos side" is incorrect.
Ok yeah but it's the naming scheme thing like who would have thought the legion named the "Night Lords" would turn to chaos?
They were fated to go traitor by GW, so they chose a traitor like name, it's not very subtle
But they didnt they are extremely loyal and refused to join the tyrant after stealing other chapters geneseed
@@Asheriancommand That's why I think the "hurr chaos name = traitor" thing they said in the episode was dumb.
@@consolescrub4031 homie. Have you ever heard about the blood angels and their successors? Flesh eaters, flesh tearers, blood drinkers etc.
The year 2021 was a difficult one for me. Over the span of 2 years on either side I'd attend 6 funerals of fallen family members. Some were natural causes, other not so natural; I'd witness the loss of my childhood home and suffer the worst depression I'd ever faced in my short time on this earth as every day would blur into one mess of mind numbing classes and shelf stocking at work.
Then I'd find the Lamenters. Through Bruva Alfabusa's TTS. Short about the lamenters I'd found curiousity through that curiousity I'd find thier story, and through their story I'd find hope and inspiration. I'd paint my first Lamenter that would turn into a combat patrol, then an incursiom now my Lamenters stand as my biggest army a testament to my own perserverence as much as it is a bulwark that reinforces it. I remember freehanding my first Checkerboard shoulder pad, winning my first game, making and bonding with my new friends and enemies with equal parts sportsmanship, and zeal. Even now as I find myself on the Anvil ready to face the challenges of this new world of adulthood. I know I can look inward towards my own bleeding heart, to those I've helped, and stand strong in the face of my new adversities be it on Corith or an office, Badab or the classroom I will only come back stronger.
This is why I chose the Lamenters. This is why for those I cherish, I will die in glory.
If the Lamenters hadn't survived the Crimson Fists had similar energy but through enough determination the Lamenters survived.
imagine being a lamenters recruiter
recruiter: im here to raise you up hive scum, a chance to be one of the emperor's angels.
hive scumer: which chapter are you from again?
recruiter: lamenters.
hive guy: just servitorize me
Normal people not knowing anything about Space Marines comes up in the lore every so often, but the unstated application of this to the Lamenters is one of the few times when it's for a good-guy Loyalist chapter's benefit.
Imagine having a recruiting world exclusively for the Lamenters. You'd probably accept that your sons are so busy being space marines they never have time to return home. Then you go to Nocturne and find out their marines come back every second Tuesday and the reason yours don't is because they're just dead.
Imagine being a Carcharodons recruiter.
Recruiter: Hippity hoppity, now you're all my property!
I'd say that they take no prisoners, but that's their primary recruitment method.
@@Tremadog102 Congratulations. You are being rescued. Please do not resist. (It amuses me that they very deliberately can't take anyone already serving the Imperium but I'd do the 20 hour desk job if it means I'm not crewing a strike cruiser about to go fight the Tyranids.)
It should also be noted the Minotaurs are under the direct purview of a High Lord of Terra. They only showed up on Badab because they were told by that High Lord to be there. And as to why they were so effective in fighting and beating the snot out of the Lamenters is how they fight. They don’t send demi or even full companies to fight the war. The ENTIRE chapter shows up to fight you.
Their battle strategy is hilarious as it's the direct contrast to the Lamenters who basically never get replenished and have to fight everything with a depleted force. Then the Minotaurs rock up to wherever they get told because they don't generally have to fight xenos (they have fought Necrons though) with their full chapter and some of the best gear around by virtue of being the High Lords favourites and the five fingered discount. It's like Indiana Jones vs the swordsman but instead of just shooting him, the swordman gets sniped and then 5 guys show up to kick him while he's down.
Yeah, the Minotaurs basically show up with Primaris Marines shortly after Guilleman had unveilled them to the Imperium. So they 100% get all the newest toys the Imperium has to offer.
Plus the point of the Minotaurs always showing up in full strength also brings up a good point: A good number of the chapters that fought for the loyallist cause did not show up with their entire chapter. Which meant that the seccessionists could use their own superior numbers to cause outsized casualties. It was only very late in the war when the Imperium had a comfortable edge in Space Marine forces over the Fire Hawks.
I would say they beat the lamenter, but didn’t beat the snot out of them. In the battle of Opterra the Minotaurs had the numbers and the element of surprise against an already depleted Lamenters chapter. Even with these advantages the description of the battle from Imperial armor books 9&10 notes that after the Lamenters were hit with the surprise attack they inflicted heavy casualties on the full strength Minotaurs. The reason the Minotaurs had “salvage rights” on the Lamenters’ ships and gear was because the small force of Lamenters destroyed a lot of their war gear.
Also because they work directly with high lords they have a bunch of the best equipment. I believe the first company is entirely terminator armor.
That's 100 terminators, with power weapons, boarding your ship, at the same time.
The Minotaur's aren't just LIKE Iron Warriors, they ARE Iron Warriors. The GW employee who created the chapter has stated they were made using Iron Warrior geneseed.
Do you have source? Cause there's too many "trust me man" sources
While they do have some similarities, I’m gonna need a source for this one bud
@JOJO-Bub unfortunately UA-cam doesn't let me post links, so just google "Minotaurs Iron Warriors" and you will likely find the source
Google "40k minotaurs tweet" should be the first image result.
There’s a Reddit thread where the tweets, from Badab War writer Eadwin Brown, depict him saying multiple times that the Minotaurs are Iron Warrior descendants. If we’re supposed to take this at face value, then I guess that’s why the geneseed on wikis is considered ‘chimeric’
Ah Yes, the Badab War. Imperium's grestest infighting since Empeor told Horus he can't have the golden throne for himself. Also, beginning of the fall of Lamenters.
Ah yes, the best kind of infighting: grestest.
The beginning of the fall of the Lamenters is when they decided to name themselves The Lamenters.
Age of apostasy was a lot of infighting as well but this is pretty high up on that list.
@@LukasJampenYeah, but this is massive scale space marine on marine penetration- I mean violence.
@@KhornecussionYour username is mildly misleading. Your comment would suggest Slaaneshi loyalty.
So Huron resented the Administratum for it's total inefficiency and lack of practicality, consolidated his own separate Empire, and made his own Space Marine Legion and private army. Sounds like a true son of Gulliman.
Not at all considering poppa Smurf did everything he could to be just like daddy E. Even the Lion and Angel thought the 2nd empire was a good idea. Considering the Emporer's words to old big blue, he's doing fine.
Time to take Tax Evasion to the extreme with this one 🔥
TO THE EXTREMEEEE!
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the Carcharodons just kinda... show up?
like, no one called for them or anything, they just showed up and flashed their documentation. everyone was just like, "who the hell are these guys? what do their papers say?" and after all their papers checked out the Carcharodons joined in with the loyalists.
paraphrasing obviously, but the Badab war is one of the earliest mentions of the Carcharodons chapter, and I just find the way they joined in REALLY funny. Could be wrong tho.
i think you're right. cause they do operate out in the middle of nowhere looking things to fight, and they do show up out of nowhere and leave just the same.
@@RanRayu just so happens the Badab War lined up with their "recruitment" schedule LMAO
To quote Star Wars on the Caracharodons: "It's an old code, sir, but it checks out" :p
“I’m crazy enough to fight the IRS, but the Minotaurs? Noooo thank you.”-Lamenters, probably.
Won't lie. Them confusing Roman and Spartan influence regarding the Minotaurs made me twitch and wince a bit 😆
It should be noted the Tyrants Guard were WAY better then standard Imperial Guard. They were more akin to mass Tempestus Scion forces. They were a legitimate threat to Astartes. Instead of the standard 100 guardsmen to one Space Marine it was more 50 Tyrants guard to one space marine.
Not really tbh, only the Tyrant's Legion Elite formations had access to that amount of high tech gear (like mostly equipped with plasma weaponry and heavy armor). The usual units are actually more equipped than your average pdf but lacking in terms of personal weaponry (they compensate for it using loads of tanks and artillery).
On Tonight's episode of the Ridiculous Tour:
Bricky actually does a proper breakdown of the Badab war. Sometimes the expected actually happens.
DK is replaced by Donkey Kong, and proceeds to SMASH.
And Shy has gathered the Seven Chaos Emeralds, and will combine them with the Dragon Balls to get her own Super Wish!
But she doesn't need it to become Super Shy. Don't test her.
All that and potentially more, after the break!
Why did i read this in the clone wars narrator voice
@@breakdown3317 why can I not hear it now as that, after I already heard it as that?!😅
" You mean- the chaos emeralds? " - Shy
Apparently, Eadwine Brown, who was a playtester for the Badab War campaign, outright stated that this incarnation of the chapter was from Iron Warriors gene-seed. While not official, it feels like a pretty powerful statement to me.
Fun fact: Red Scorpions alongside the Black Templars are one of the few chapters who worship the emperor as a god
No one wants to pay taxes. Everyone wants to receive said taxes.
Very big 'no take only throw' vibes.
"The beating doesn't stop when you're dead, it stops when I get bored of it!"- The Minotaur's most likely.
Minotaurs do Not mess around. Would love to hear more about them at some point.
They are the High Lords' personal Astartes chapter, as they answer directly to the high lords and are used as their personal muscle outside of the usual chain of command.
They are also all but confirmed to canonically have Iron Warriors geneseed
They had a good fight with a Necron dynasty at one point and their chapter master was enough to give a Custodes Shield Captain pause because he couldn't see any weaknesses if they came to blows.
Although they carry out regular Space Marine duties, they also do special missions for the High Lords of Terra, mainly enforcement issues with Chapters who are becoming divergent. They're well-trained and very well equipped. As Bricky said, they will come in, kick your ass and steal your stuff.
In the Hexarchy Crisis, when Guilliman was consolidating his rule, the MInotaurs arrived to defend errant High Lords who unknown to them were actually plotting against Guilliman, who sent a Custodes Captain to parley and the Minotaurs Chapter Master nearly attacked him, which would not have gone well for the Chapter Master (against a Custodes Captain!), but does show how brave they are, if reckless. The Captain gave the Minotaur a message from Bobby G pointing out that although they take orders from the High Lords, their loyalty is to him and the Emperor. They realised their mistake and bent the knee.
@@alexvaraderey If memory serves, Moloch (the Chapter Master) caused a moment of concern in the Shield Captain because he wasn't displaying any weaknesses for the Shield Captain to exploit which was a first for the captain when encountering marines. I think there was also a part of the conflict where a squad of Sister of Silence and a Custodes were killed by a force of Minotaurs (5 of which died in the conflict).
I also just had a quick search on the Lexicanum to see if there was anything mentioning the moment and found out they raised a lot of eyebrows by deploying out of the blue with 12 strike cruisers (reminder the Night Lords warband in Soul Hunter had 1 for about a chapter strength.) They were also one of the first chapters to get Primaris reinforcements and have weird dreadnoughts called Hekaton which are treated with indifference (which is weird because dreadnoughts are generally revered by everyone except Chaos including Custodes). Otherwise there's a bunch of hypno-indoctrination which goes into joining the chapter which lead people to suspect the marines have programmed personalities (it's the Alpha Legion style BS for reference).
@@alexvaraderey actually from a custodes himself said that he was only confident in the head of the custodes and a primarch in their ability to win against moloch so I don't think it would go so well for the average custodes captain
Am a Lamenter by heart. Lamenters are one of the most loyalist chapter of them all, and am proud to be one.
For those we cherish, We die in glory.
I just looked up the Red Scorpions and apparently they adhere to the Codex Astartes MORE THAN THE ULTRAMARINES DO. Like word for word following of it. Hell even the Smurfs know when to bend the rules a bit.
You know, humans being scared shitless of Space Marines empire building and Huron apologism aside. Huron is basically doing the Omni-Man thing, "Look what they need to mimic even a fraction of our power." I mean, look what they sent at the guy, Minoraurs, Space Sharks, Red Scorpions, Sons of Medusa, Exorcists, and for good measure, a bunch of random chapters? That's not a secession, Abby, that's a Black Crusade!
Can't believe the Space Marines all gathered in one place to start relentlessly baDabbing all over them haters, 40K lore is wild
Edit: literally the moment I wrote the word Dab they made that exact joke during the premiere
Vergil approves of Huron’s tax evasion.
Oh boy! Can't wait to learn more about Space America!
it can't be space america, they didn't make a declaration of independence.
All of the imperium is space America in spirit.
Britain, space Britain.
@@Lu-db1uf Same thing tbh. Worst of Britain emigrated to the US, explains a lot.
My favorite part is when they say it’s lamenting time and lament all over the place
dude i'm gonna lament inside
It’s Lamenting time!
Papa emps is pleased today 🗿
About the Minotaurs' Chapter Master, here's a fun fact: If you've played Hades, you already know that the Minotaur in Greek myth was called Asterius. GW and their subtle naming conventions.
High Lords: "Mr. Huron, sir, this is your last warning. Cease your disobedience, pay the tithes you owe is in resources, materiel, manpower and geneseed, and we'll grant you the opportunity of standing down with your honour intact."
"Lol," said the Astral Claw. "Lmao"
The only thing Huron did wrong was expecting to get into a fight with the Imperium over taxes and win.
And it should be noted the whole thing about Huron saying “fuck taxes” is an inaccurate meme. It wasn’t that he stopped paying the Tithe, he actively robbed the Tithe for his own goals.
NGL Bricky you glossed over a lot of things here The Lamenters last stand, The introduction of the carchadons, the sons of medusa and the legate inquistor pushing out the red scorpions and inducting space marine chapters he wanted to have more control during the war obviously this would have made the episode longer but they are fun and interesting parts that you should be trying to cover.
Yeah, the Carcharadons are a really weird chapter and the way they just showed up unannounced and started absolutely wrecking face was quite interesting. They are quite a creepy chapter. I'd probably collect them if I wasn't already working on a homebrew chapter.
And the Badab "I just needed an extension to pay my taxes" War continues!
we need resources!
"hmm, no needs to go somewhere else."
then i'll just take it
"UNACCEPTABLE!!!"
now here is the owed tithe
"UNACCE-oh..."
you know what? no, this is ALL MINE NOW
"TRAITOR!!! HERESY!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!"
Big Earl of Lemongrab vibes here!
I should mention that the Karthago Sector's tithes COULD have been paid and they didn't need to bother Huron, but they had been coasting by on the tithes they collected from the Badab Sector and didn't want to have to pay their taxes with their own money just because some new guy had moved into Badab and declared himself a petty warlord and a Secessionist.
It's also entirely possible that they didn't even know who Huron was at the time. They just assumed they could march into the Badab Sector, claim that Imperial law was on their side because they had trade agreements with Badab, and that whoever the 'Tyrant of Badab' was they would roll over and submit to the Karthago-lead tithe fleet.
As it turns out, while Huron wasn't paying taxes, Badab was TECHNICALLY not required to pay those tithes because it was an autonomous zone technically outside of direct Imperial control and was only paying tithes to Karthago and the wider Imperium out of good faith; the Imperium was pissed that Huron wasn't paying them anymore, but TECHNICALLY Huron and Badab were more or less tax exempt.
Officially speaking, the Badab Wars weren't about Huron not paying taxes or leaving the Imperium, as he was TECHNICALLY in his rights to do so, but he DID engage in armed conflict with Imperial forces and even launched retaliatory raids into Karthago-held Imperial space, which is how the Imperium and the Inquisition justified their intervention; they couldn't get Huron for tax evasion, so they waited until they could charge him with heresy for not immediately standing down and offering the Imperium substantial compensation as an apology.
And just to reassure you that the Inquisition are equal opportunity assholes, when Karthago inevitably could not or would not pay its tithes, all of the nobles of Karthago were rounded up, put on trial, found guilty of gross incompetence, potential heresy, and criticized for exacerbating the situation with Badab, and summarily executed for their failings. Meanwhile, all of the citizens of Karthago under those nobles were found guilty of allowing such gross incompetence on the part of their rulers to happen without lawfully overthrowing the corrupt ruling class to meet the Imperial tithe quotas expected of them. Their punishment was to be deported from Karthago and enter into indentured servitude(in other words state-sanctioned slavery) for several generations until such time as their descendants had adequately atoned for their sins in the eyes of Imperial law while Karthago was repopulated by loyal Imperial citizens who would be expected to ensure Karthago made up for lost time, ravaging the sector to meet Imperial demands.
Says a lot when the guy who wound up becoming a Chaos Warlord was more reasonable than ANYONE on the Imperial side.
This war is basically - Huron thinking he can dictate the policy of the imperium, getting rejected, using loopholes in the law to go full nuclear and secede. Then getting embroiled in a conflict with the local government, going even more nuclear and raid the imperium - and refuse to stand down when the clusterfuck gained the attention of lords of terra.
Throughout this whole ordeal dude just kept doubling down cause he thought he was right (he mostly was tbf) and refused to compromise.
He became such a nuisance, the high lords and inquisition turned him into an example of what happens when an Astartes thinks himself above the imperium (as an institution).
The badab war: in politics it doesn't matter if you are in the right or not - if you threaten the status quo the state will make an example out of you. And destroy you.
@@TheUbikator Realistically speaking, the Imperium's response to Huron was rather disproportionate, even if he did go renegade. It's only when he was found to have gone full Chaos, or when he was later found guilty of Legion building, that the Imperial response became even remotely reasonable.
@@Brutalyte616 not true, they spend 150 years in legal battle, getting involved only after fire hawks and marines errant got their asses kicked AND Kathargo got raided by Huron.
You can't let Huron be. Because in another 300 years you would have another Huron, and another. They couldn't do anything to him before the above mentioned ass whooping, cause other marines chapters would immediately see that as an attack on Astartes autonomy - but after that? They have one chance to put this situation to bed. That's why they went so hard.
@@TheUbikator Well that's not entirely true. Had the Imperium left Huron be or taken his side at any point, there would be precedent for more micro-empires within the Imperium, especially in autonomous zones like Badab, but that's it; there would be precedent for Space Marines essentially declaring martial law across a sector, but only with the tacit approval or outright sanction of the Imperium. Had they allowed it, it would have shown leniency to Huron and sympathy for his situation, and the Imperium could have potentially retained the loyalty of Huron and Badab, and perhaps set a precedent for a 40k equivalent to Warhammer Fantasy's Border Princes, establishing a system whereby Space Marines could establish themselves in the galactic borderlands of the Imperium and rule over independent or vassal states of the Imperium; something incredibly progressive for the Imperium. I daresay if Guilliman had come back sooner, even if he wouldn't have signed off supporting Huron's plans for the Maelstrom due to the costs, he would have tolerated the autonomy of Badab and perhaps even endorsed it, because Guilliman himself wanted Space Marines to enter the political stage as governors, lords, and political advisors back during the Great Crusade, and Huron could have been an object lesson that Space Marines could handle that responsibility and NOT go rogue or fall to Chaos. None of the events surrounding Badab HAD to happen the way they did, but the High Lords and the Inquisition made a bad situation so much worse.
Minotaurs are basically surgically breaking your spine until you can no longer fight then utterly destroy you with the emperor’s mercy of your lucky
The real reason the High Lords spited the Warder chapters so much was because the Lamenters were rude to the inquisition agents after the incident with the space hulk
Nah, they were actually so polite to the inquisitor that he started suspecting them of being up to something.
Lamenters like an underdog and they are the ultimate underdog. I didn't hear no bell, keep going vibes
Badab war part 2: From BAD to DAB.
42:28 From what I've read the most common guesses for minotaur gene seed are (1) Iron Warriors (2) World eaters or (3) A chimera of both.
Minoan... the Minotaurs are Minoan inspired. And my vote is Loyalist World Eaters, who don't use The Butcher's Nails.
I hope this comment gets upvoted, since the Minoans and Micenics are older than Helenics (antique / clasdic Greeks).
They are going to be so disappointed.... when....
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No chaos...
Which by the way is why i like badab war. Cause is a boring faction
The Badab War was a bit of a who's who in terms of lesser known successor chapters. It was an effort to throw them a bone, and shine a light on an event where it wasn't the fuckin Ultramarines doing everything for once. Them or any other first founding chapters (sans the Salamanders). I really like the fact GW does take the time to remember minor sub factions of their armies exist from time to time, and will mention them in Supplements. They really do deserve more exposure because they can be pretty interesting, like the Admech Stygies VII Forge World, Novohk Necron Dynasty, The Purge Chaos Space Marines, Skyrar's Dark Wolves Chaos Space Wolves, Yme Loc Craftworld, Mortifactors Space Marines, or so many others. They make the universe of 40k feel bigger and more expansive than it being the same sub factions over and over again.
I, personally, love theming my armies on minor subfactions you very rarely see on the Tabletop. My Admech are homebrew, my Chaos Space Marines are The Scourged, a Tzeentch Devoted warband, I want to paint my Space Marines as Lamenters, and other armies I might start in the future are Yme Loc Eldar, or Deathskulls Orcs.
Having already listened to Son of the Forest I love having motivation to listen to it again.
28:33 wait, that person got marked with the Mark of the Great Horned Rat!!
I wish the arsenal of angels also came as a tcg mat. It looks so nice.
Im sorry but if this is what the topic is for this episode i just gotta do this...........FOR THOSE WE CHERISH!!!❤
13:10 “Man, Fuck You, I See You at Work!”
*Marines Errant Has Left The Conversation*
Am I high or did Brickster forget to mention the potentially important note of all records of the Minotaurs being sealed away by the highest authority, one that even inquisitors struggle to get past, that they almost exclusively deploy in full chapter strength, and that they are primarily used to deal with renegade/traitor Astartes? They are a bit more important here than a lot of the other chapters, hopefully he does a little addendum next time around. Or, yknow, a full chapter vid, altho i doubt there's enough on them.
That sounds like stuff for a Minotaurs episode
The number of chapters on each side is a bit misleading though as most loyalist chapters do not show up with their entire chapter and the war does last some time so a number of chapters show up, take big losses and get sent home at some point. It was only half-way through the shooting war that the loyalist end up with a notable edge over the seccessionists, especially with the Lamenters knocked out and the Mantis Warriors cut-off from the Astral Claws. With all this, it still took the arrival of the Star Phantoms and Carcharodons coupled with the surrender of the Mantis Warriors and the Executioners that the loyalists held a comfortable edge over the Astral Claws.
I like the lamenters a lot for the tragic aspect but I would love for them to get a W even though I know it will never happen without some form of tragedy.
I know Primaris Lamenters existed. I don't know if they still exist, but they did, and the chapter did see at least some action in the modern day.
Genuinely the minotaurs are renegade marines that still obey when told to kill something. The amount of times they've attacked a loyalist chapter because they interacted with them under orders of terra is insane. I'm surprised other chapters don't outright attack them on sight out of revenge.
I'm pretty sure many chapters want to take a swing at them. But because of the fact there the high lords of terras personal attack dogs. It's pretty much impossible to find where they're hiding if they don't just actually have their freakin. Chapter home world being Terra. Itself
Fun note: Chapter master Sartaq of the Mantis Warriors offered a trial by combat to commander Lazaerek at the Grief station ceasefire for nuking that agri world. (Lazaerek did it because his boys got caught lacking in the wrong star cluster, shortly after declaring intergalactic beef.)
Hot take: Huron is basically the Julius Caesar that conquered Gaul(the Maelstrom), but he's the version of what would happen if he lost to Rome in the Civil War.
Im 50% sure thats what they had in mind when they wrote this
Asterion is hinted at being a Custode, he is wielding a modified Custodes Spear and Storm Shield. He also has Ironman’s ability from Civil War for his tech to suggest counters to enemies. He is closer to Primarch levels than a normal Chapter Master.
My favorite part of the Badab war is when the Night Lords show up with unicycles and shot up the block singing I'm blue da ba dee da ba daa badab Da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa, badab
18:30 On the whole, pulling from fleets you can't afford to remove, I truly believe the "Battle Fleet SOLAR Reserves" would have been enough of a rubber stamp for authenticity, that you had truly pissed off the High Lords, but that was both ignored and kind of an "Alien's Newt" thrown in, to boot.
"These are the best the Imperium has!"
"It won't make any difference......"
''Just a little cecession'' would be pretty cool i think. 'The articles of Just (a little) cessesion)''
They could probably do a whole detective ridiculous style episode over the betrayal at grief.
Would have been interesting.
Minotaur's are so badass that there chapter master almost got into a 1v1 with a custodies. And the custodian was unsure if he would win.
The dude who wrote the Minotaurs into the Lore, said he intended them to be Iron Warrior Successors
"Forget Ultramar andthe bugs, this guy isnt paying taxes!"
Whizz in the sink. It’s at the perfect height, and like punching someone in the dark, it’s a victimless crime.
Somehow I get the feeling like this is something a minotaur marine would say If a fellow marine entered the bathroom in use by accident " Dude i'm using the toilet! but you can still piss in the sink"
The fire hawks are iron warrior successors confirmed.
I thought those were the minotaurs.
@@Dracobyte na fam the Minotaurs aren’t petty enough.
"TAXES!?"
Said Huron.
"Lol, lmao"
Lamenters t-shirt: Just a Little Suffering
Great thing to see on my birthday another adeptus ridiculous episode
Ref the LP idea...I think that these longer excersions into Vraks and Badab would make great content. like War of the Worlds.shipping wouldn't be a dream, but the sound with that L'il hisss n snap...Shivers, yes please. I'll come to you for That merch.
Little known fact: the Lamenters aren't actually Blangel successors, but are from the expunged second legion. Their true genefather is Chief Miles O'Brian.
O'Brian must suffer!
@@MetulManiac He suffers for our benefit. Praise be to the O'Brian.
If another desk mat is commissioned I would like to see an “Arsenal of the Hammer” Imperial guard tank/artillery themed mat
theres a few loyalist chapters that are quote “just hard as fuck” like the minotaurs the carcarodons the executioners the red talons the flesh tearers etc, those kind are my fav chapters
I wonder how this would've gone if it happened after Gulliman awakened... a strong lecture to Huron? The Administraturm being deleted in a night of unyielding rage?
I think he would have given huron a new duty that would have made him appreciate the purpose of the imperial machine of bureaucracy. Instead, making him the one responsible for collecting all tides. All taxes all things and delivering them directly to to him. Who would then in turn deliver them to the imperium.
(8:54) TLRD ( to long Rogal Dorn it) *launches nukes* 🎶 and on that farm he had a smoking crater. Ei, ei, oh!🎶
I'm surprised with myself in that I'd heard tiny bits about almost every listed chapter involved in the war, the star phantoms are the only name I'd never heard of at all, (to memory).
meybe on vinyl could go multipart episodes combined into one (like Horus Heresy, Vraks, and badab war)
I can't believe that the chapter master for the Red Scorpions went from Otris to Mortis
Astarian mallock; Magistrate of The Gate of Baldur sector
While fighting a child with you hands behind your back remember: you can always KICK 🦶 that freaking brat😅