Now that age limit increase to 17 by the next Olympics become official, we felt it's time to revisit the entire doping scandal of the 15 years old Kamila Valieva during Beijing Olympics 2022 which prompted such historic decision for ISU. What happened then exactly? What was the fans, medias, and other skaters' reaction? What's on the line? Let's find out!
and if she was 17 years old, what would that change? an adult could get into such a situation, but not every adult would survive such pressure ... in Europe it was clean, and at the Olympics the test was found so late ... I hope the ISU reforms are aimed at the benefit of the skaters, and not in order to harm Tutberidze or completely remove Russia. ah, this country has a tuktamysheva
The fans, media and other skater's reactions have no merit whatsoever here, the doping case has not completed yet and the B sample has not been tested. Kamila was a protected person but somehow the doping results were held until the end of the team competition, which was illegal and hers was the only result not returned on time? Also, someone purposely leaked it to the press for maximum negative effect on the skater and letting the media determine the guilt or innocence. So who benefitted from this media circus? The medals for the team competition could now be given to the US, Japan and Canada and the IOC went against the CAS ruling (which could not be overturned) and said that if Kamila places in the top three then there would not be any medal ceremony, one might ask then what is the purpose of the CAS if the IOC doesn't abide by the decision? Keep in mind that if she had placed in the top 3 it would have been a Russian sweep. In my opinion, this was political sabotage!
@@kisimisi8243 She was also clean at the Olympics, the only positive test was from over two months ago in December which was disclosed so late instead of the stipulated 20 days.
A very talented figure skater that always produced negative doping test results, INCLUDING FOR THE OLYMPICS, all of a sudden she and the whole team and coaches are attacked for "systemic" doping? That positive sample was kept secret, in an Olympic year, for over a month and produced just when Kamila helped her team win Gold. How do we know that that sample wasn't tampered with? In my opinion, this was sabotage to prevent Russia from taking the whole ladies podium and to deny the team gold medal but most importantly, this was the last year of the "doping" ban on Russia so of course a new one was needed.
Why am I not surprised that an English speaking (sounded American) journalist asked him a question about a controversial case that's not anywhere closely related to Yuzuru at all? And that too after going through one of the hardest times in his career? They just want to make hot headlines. Imagine if they got something out of him and the headline they would make with it. The audacity and shear rudeness
She just might be a child prodigy, but she was still a child. Adults on both sides failed her repeatedly. I don't give a damn what her nationality is... she was a minor. She was also highly favored to win the individual gold. Politics? I don't have the answers. After the team medal ceremony was canceled and that being heaped on her back, Valieva was consigned to a no-win pressure cooker. If she wins her teammates don't see the medal podium... well within their grasp. If she fails... her dream is dead. Her free skate was a vague shadow of herself. She skated off the ice utterly spent and heartbroken. What ensued is hard to watch. The term "child abuse" doesn't strike me as hyperbole. It strikes me as disgraceful. 15 years old. Shame on everyone involved in this debacle. The Olympics is broken... and a dark cloud is hanging over it.
No correspondía preguntarle a Yuzuru por el problema de kamila,no se puede opinar sin tener informacion completa,por suerte q él supo responder perfecto.
Exactly, and by asking Yuzuru this question proves that the media is purposely instigating this circus to demonize a 15 year old girl and her coaches for political reasons.
@@kadovax6567 They shouldn't be asking the opinion of any skaters or lay people, this is an ongoing investigation and should not use the media to discuss this issue.
I felt very disappointed about recent figure skating rule changes passed by ISU! I wonder 1) Could ISU consider to create a separate competition for jumping and keep the traditional figure skating - which is balance between artistic and technical elements? The new competition may name ice jumping or ice gymnastic. 2) Could ISU penalize pre-rotation? It's no point to reward whole bunch of non-qualified quads! What it should do is: reward "real"/qualified quads! Same, call for non-proper usage of blade/top pick. 3) Could ISU get retired figure skater to be the judges - a lot criticism has results from inadequate technical knowledge of the judges.
Could they just stop playing politics altogether, they keep changing the rules when they can't beat the Russians, same thing happened back with the "scandal" in Canada with the ice dancing. It is because of what happened in Canada that we now have this system chosen to be changed by the West. It doesn't matter how you change the rules because the Russians have great figure skaters, especially the ladies, and the only way to beat them is to eliminate them, that is what they are trying to do now.
For the first one I think is unnecessary. Artistic elements is very subjective. Judges themselves are very subjective. Is like everyone likes different kinds of food. But what the ISU can do is to hire judges with different taste of music…maybe. Or reward a bit more points on other elements other than jumps. For incorrect techniques, I feel like there’s solutions. Such as sacrificing the traditional real time scoring system and rather let judges take time to judge the skaters jumps. And also make sure judges are more objective on scoring the jump techniques(training of judges…whatever necessary to make sure judges is objective in scoring jumps). Anyway, not sure what’s the situation is in ISU.
@@MeMeMeME-tj6il I agree with your points except, "[j]udges themselves are very subjective. Is like everyone likes different kinds of food," because what they are judging isn't their personal preference. They have a guideline and they should follow that guideline, not their personal taste although it may influence certain categories and therefore the score. You mentioned they should be objective about techniques, I also think it should apply to artistic points to some extent (because fully is not feasible) that they shouldn't look at it as how they liked it personally. For example, you may not personally prefer a book, but you may acknowledge its value in literature. They should give justification for their score and I totally agree giving them more time would be a great step
كل هذا لاسقاط الهيمنة الروسية. حتى بدون كاميلا. فروسيا ستفوز على كل ارتحتم الان لقد ترك لكم ابطال روسيا المجال فوزو كما شئتم بالجوائز 😒دعو يوزو وشأنه لا تدخلوه في هذه الأمور اتركو أميرنا وشأنه
Да, коллективный запад сверг гегемонию России в фигурном катании. Но в данный момент Россия свергает гегемонию коллективного Запада в геополитическом мире💪🇷🇺
@@dorin7775 لا متعة في التزلج من دون روسيا بدونهم تصبح بطولاتهم كالطعام من دون ملح خصوصا بعد اعتزال يوزورو ستنخفض شعبية رياضة التزلج لست روسية ولكن استمتع بمشاركة الروس ❤️
You can understand the media, this is their job. BUT that the former figure skaters forgot in this scandal, their words about the obstrateniye of Valieva are not valid. because they are not involved persons. The only thing that Kim and Weir could do was add haters to Kamilla. A completely different example is Hanyu, who knows that being at the Olympics is already a huge achievement, that Kamila is strong even without doping. it's great that in Russia they supported the kami, because she was afraid to let everyone down. no one talked about the medal, it was important for everyone to support the Kami
The “one” who truly brings hates to Kami is CAS and OG committee, who allowed Kami continue to compete after Trimetazidine found in her test sample. Double standards lead to hatred and hurt.
@@yachuchuang3651 funny. if everything was proven, then they would not be allowed to participate. this is a complex matter that is not yet typical, and popular skaters in it that they forgot
Cute little Kami than went to fangirl over Putin and still acts like a victim. Yeah, she did let russia down. In normal country, she'd get ripped a new one and deservedly so. Cheating is not something to be glorified.
find doping before team competitions🙈😧 find dope before personal👍😍 if you think that everything should work well like a Swiss watch, then just remember the sports officials
Shifted the question from “Should Kamila Valieva be held accountable and bear the full responsibility for doping, regardless of her age?” to “Who should be responsible for Kamila Valieva’s doping scandal, Kamila or her coaches?”. And who should be held responsible, a 15 years old skater who’s had to endure years and years of abuse, a victim of child exploitation, who had literally no control over her body because of her controlling coaches, or her controlling, abusive coaches who had destroyed numerous young girl's bodies for her own gain, and who will continue to do so if we don’t put a stop to it?
Eteri Tutberidze has already brought up more than one Olympic champion, especially since her pupils take all the prizes both in juniors and in adult competitions. Her school has simply dominated women's figure skating over the past few years, and that's a fact. And none of the girls was convicted of doping. It's all from envy and anger and a dirty political game! And be sure everyone will get for the lies and dirty games!🙏😇
@@mikevlad13 I respect your opinion, but I'll will stand by mine. Kamila being a minor won’t change the fact that she had taken an illegal substance, and letting her continue skating is extremely unfair and disrespectful toward all skaters who skate and follow the same set of rules. If a Kamila is deemed incapable of understanding the ramifications of breaking the rules and, as a child, is too vulnerable to be appropriately penalized for it then surely the rules themselves have just admitted that protected persons are too young and vulnerable to compete in such brutal sports? Kamila had made a decision to enter an international competition, so there should be no excuse or exception made for her, just because of her age. To allow Kamila to continue competing just because she's a minor is asinine and utterly destroys the integrity of the Olympics. Eteri's former student had spoken out numerous times about her abusive training method. Yulia Lipnitskaya, about her anorexia, caused by Eteri’s obsession with keeping her student at a fixed weight, and how for weeks, Eteri denied her food, basically starving Yulia, and only surviving on a strict diet of powdered nutrients. Evgenia Medvedeva, about how Eteri relies on pills that will block and slow down puberty to keep skaters in a certain body mode, about how now, even after she retired, Evgenia can’t even sit without being in pained, and how she can’t even turn left anymore. Alina Zagitova, about how Eteri pushes her body to the limit, and how Alina loses everything after her puberty is completed. Aliona Kostonaia, about just how abusive Eteri’s training regime is, how she skated on broken bones and screaming muscles, how Eteri motivates students by humiliating them, just how Eteri had destroyed her, inside and out. Even the unknown one, Shuboderova, recounted how one time, after a poor training practice, Eteri pulled her out of the rink and forced her to sit in the trash can, saying trash belongs in the trash. Think what you want, but to treat gullible, young, and impressionable teenage girls as tools, as medal-winning machine isn't an action to be praised.
@@khanhvyle4112 I don't get how people forget that she tested clean both for the European championships and the Olympic games and that's why she was allowed to compete....how about we blame the lousy laboratory for delivering the results more than twice the time allowed...and the results came 1 day after Russia won the team event and had the victory ceremony...now is that just a " coincidence" ?....I think not.... There's fowl play involved here and that lab should be investigated thoroughly...
So after the age limit raise, if a 17 y.o athlete was suspected of doping use, would they be treated as adult now? Or would they still be a minor according to WADA rule (iirc their rule stated adult as 18 y.o above)?
I feel bad for her but I think she should not compete anymore, since it is unfair to other 15 year olds that didn’t dope. Also can someone please sue her coach like wtf are you feeding a 15 year old? Kamila didn’t have the right to make decisions, nor did she understand her decisions, yet she had to bear the consequences all by herself.
Not compete at all? She has every right to compete When the investigation is over if they find her guilty then they might suspend her for some time. I think they will most likely punish her coaches who doped her
Siempre tendré en mente el estrés de querer que los resultados de dopaje salieran antes de la selección de patinadoras Se hubiera evitado tanto El dopaje siempre será algo que merece su sanción Pero el odio público que recibió y aún recibe kamila me parece absurdo Es súper pequeña y como dicen su carrera ya esta marcada
Yo no creo que Kamila haya recibido odio, más bien todo lo contrario, se ha dirigido la culpa a sus entrenadores y su equipo médico, Kamila es menor u no tiene responsabilidad, fue su equipo quien permitió que saliese con la capucha de la sudadera delante de los periodistas mientras sus entrenadores salían por la puerta de atrás. De Hecho el COI fue injusto con los patinadores que patinan limpio al permitir patinar a Kamila, pero se encontraban con su falta de responsabilidad al ser menor de edad. Si Kamila no hubiese dado positivo la ISU nunca hubiese subido la edad de competición, al hacerlo tiene más margen para actuar sobre la responsabilidad de los patinadores
El dopaje es injusto. Ningún autoridad ruso desmintió tal acusación solo decían que la apoyarían ... Que se puede esperar de los Rusos que siempre se meten en ese lío.
From what I have looked up on her case, she had multiple drug tests during this time period. If she was a long term user it would have showed up then. However, the tests were negative and nothing was done at that point. I think something shady happened between the European championships and the Olympics. Someone wanted her out of the competition. Is it possible that she is guilty of doping, yes it is but then again I point at the drug testing she went through before and during the European Championships. Looking at it, something is definitely wrong with this case
FS Fan do u know that ISU deleted transition and interpretation to the music in the PCS? Now there are only skating skills, compositions, and performance (now called presentation)
We know. We didn’t post it because.. like does it matter? It’s not like the judges had been judging the transition and interpretation of music fairly in the past lol 😂 With or without those boxes, they always just give out highest points to their favorites.. Freedom of expression etc, all are just an excuse. The more we learn about the judging, the more we realize it’s just their personal votes for their favorite skaters. With or without those 2 criterias, it’s already a ice jumping competitions so..
***Kamila Valieva*** recovered well from all the wrath she had to endure. I like to see her evolve on the ice. She is a ***Great*** and authentic artist. Flexibility, elegance, everything seems easy and airy, so light. And then, she has a gift for slipping into so many roles, costumes. Prestance, really a very beautiful skater who remains humble, it is an immense quality and a remarkable intelligence. Terrific in different shows on ice watched this winter :)) With gratitude for your report around and on Lady Kamila Valieva, although I do not understand English, I suspect that you appreciate it too :)) Congratulations to "her" from Switzerland
Note! According to an extract from ADAMS (an online system for collecting and storing athlete data), Kamila Valieva underwent multiple doping tests from August 24, 2019 to February 7, 2022. All samples were negative, in particular, from January 13 and February 7, 2022. And for some reason, the sample dated December 25, 2021, firstly, was detained due to the fake illness of the laboratory staff, secondly, they allegedly revealed the presence of three substances: carnitine, hypoxen (both are not prohibited) and the prohibited trimetazidine in the minimum dose, and thirdly, it was presented after the victory of Russia in the team competition and on the eve of hostilities in Ukraine. What is the conclusion? This muck got accidentally or on purpose! The hypocrisy of the IOC began in 1936 when it chose Germany to host the Olympic Games under Hitler's rule. And the venality of WADA, RUSADA and controlled laboratories can be judged by numerous scandals on doping tests, for example, Serena Williams, Madisyn Cox and many other athletes. At the ongoing ISU conference in Phuket, the first vote is to decide to vote behind closed doors so that no one can answer for their decision! Corruption is out there! And you have no right to break the fate of talented athletes! You can't talk about any clean sport when dirty politics interfere!🙏😇
The Russians have proven adept at doping over time and therefore understand masking. Why do you think they can’t perform as Russia? Even their perfected system will have slip throughs. Besides, if a 15 needs the banned heart drugs, probably shouldn’t be in such stressful and strenuous act.
@@catherinesullivan641 I'm not sure if you're not a bot, because your newly created account does not have any interests, but I'll answer. Why is it necessary to apply remedies from the heart to a young developing organism if it is not sick? Another question is why are Norwegian skiers allowed to use drugs allegedly for asthma? The Fancy Bears hacker group has obtained access to classified documents of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and published these data. It turned out that a whole group of athletes, among whom were the sisters Serena and Venus Williams, received special permission from WADA for the use of prohibited drugs, that is, in fact, they legally take doping. According to these documents, Serena was allowed to use oxycodone, hydromorphone, prednisone, prednisolone and methylprednisolone in 2010, 2014 and 2015. The first two drugs are powerful painkillers containing opioids. The rest are glucocorticosteroids, which affect the hormonal background of athletes. These anti-inflammatory drugs are generally prohibited from use during competition. You don't have to be an expert to see with your own eyes that it is impossible to create such a female body without doping.🤣
@@catherinesullivan641 You are basing all these comments on what you are hearing on social media, the doping case is still being investigated, if you are American you should know that you are innocent until proven guilty.
Though I'm not Kamila's fan, but I do hope she stays in the sport to prove everyone wrong about her. But.. hard to imagine that will happen at this point 😫
How is it even 'doping' if it was a tiny amount, in one of hundreds of tests, 3 months before the games, and not even a tiny amount after that? That's just dumb. How is a minuscule amount of that chemical in the blood 3 months prior to the games possibly gonna make any difference 3 months after totally leaving the system. It kinda seems like someone picked her out and used her as a scapegoat, to diminish her achievements, that she literally worked so so hard for.
2 answers: it should never be in her system to begin with and it wasn't just before the game, apparently the rule is for the entire season. It's not dumb, it's actually pretty simple, they can try to cleanse the athlete out before the official date of tests then go back to doping again after.
That is well said and I totally agree with you....that shady Lab should be investigated thoroughly for the extremely late test results and the people who work there....
everyone says that it was not necessary to send a 15-year-old athlete? Is age to blame? no. it is adult uncles and aunts who are to blame for the fact that kami in Europe was clean, and at the Olympics after the team competition with doping. and not every adult would have survived such that she was 15 Russia, if not going to the games, is only because it is tired of such an attitude
@@kisimisi8243 I believe USFS has already confirmed they are letting Diana switch but not Annabelle Morozov. Morozov will probably represent France.. And what's funny if soon as Russia invaded Ukraine, the beloved Eteri leaves and moves to USA(which most all Russians hate), deletes all her photos of/with Putin and hasn't supported the war, which is wonderful... just shows she actually has some morals and that it's all about the money...
Я буду писать в данном контексте только на РУССКОМ! языке. Камила Валиева - это мой ребенок и я не дам её унижать. Все к то посмеет приблизиться к ее имени своими погаными языками - берегитесь. В том числе я не позволю обижать и других ребят фигуристов моей СТРАНЫ,моей РОССИИ. Это люди гениальные ,,это индивидуумы ,это дано природой. Природу не изменить . Хочу сказать о мальчике из Японии - Юдзуру Ханю, оставьте парня в покое! Это достойный человек своей страны ,маленькой ,но гордой.Я считаю ,что если некоторые не дотягивают в спорте до уровня чемпионов ,то не следует их тащить за уши к призовым местам. И тем более делать из чемпионов - оружие политического характера,разводить домыслы и сплетни.
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Eventually, gene doping technology will be established. That's in the not too distant future. If that happens, conventional doping testing will become completely meaningless. please think about it. How can we test athletes whose genome editing has already made them superhuman since they were infants?
Eventually, gene doping technology will be established. It's not that far in the future. In that case, conventional doping testing becomes completely meaningless. please think about it. How can we test athletes whose genome editing has already made them superhuman since they were infants?
Tbh the sanction against Russia for 2014 state sponsored doping wasn't hard enough. Like how could they compete under OAR (Pyeongchang) and ROC (Beijing) in the team events while you know, having no country represented. They're allowed to compete as individual athletes but yet they they could compete in team events. This just doesn't compute lmao. Latest news, the B sample has net yet tested (based on the new head of ISU) meaning Kamila's team haven't requested the test. Me think they believe the sample will be positive as well thus weakening the defence... I'm praying my hardest the entire Tut team can go to jail and ban forever from figure skating
@@FigureNastics I didn't bother to reply. Either that person live under a rock, being sarcastic, or just pure bots. I bet the latter cause there're still people who deny the state sponsored doping allegation or call the sanction unjustified.
The detected concentration of trimetazidine is estimated at 2.1 ng/ml. The concentration of 2.1 ng/mL is well below the technical detection limit of trimetazidine (10 ng/mL). A positive analysis may be due to a technical error. This was confirmed at the hearing about the intention to request an analysis of the “B” sample. Аt the moment, she is denied the right to open the "B" sample.
It is so easy to dope these athletes Truthfully. Look what happened to the NZ Rugby team they poisoned the whole team in Melbourne Australia , this stuff happens all the time to the innocent and then penalties for the whole team something has to change for the better
No matter who has any reason to use the dope which is illegal during the sports events, they should be punished. If anyone said that they have to use these kind of dope to keep theirbody healthy, they should get away from the tournament, and all the sports events.
Kocham tę codowna, genialną, magiczną Kamilkę. Do tej pory serce pęka, na myśl, co musiała przeżyć , z jakim bólem zmierzyć, ile upokorzenia znieść. Tak prosto oskarżyć, nie ponosząc żadnej odpowiedzialności. Tylu wyjadaczy żądnych rozgłosu, przecieko talentowi, aniołowi na łyżwach, jakiego świat do tej pory nie widział. Kamila, to piękno, szlachetność, doskonałoś, niewiarygodny talent i najbardziej pokorny sportowiec . Mam nadzieję, że odpowiedzialność i kara dopodnie tych, ktorzy przyczynili się do zszargania kariery i moralności , tak niewiarygodnie utalentowanej i ciężko pracującej Kamili. To nie doping sprawił, że od Kamili nie można oderwać oczu, że brakuje tchu, ściska w gardle i ma sie ciarki po calym ciele. Ksmilka cierpi i reszta świata, ktora Ją uwielbia rownież.😢👧❤
@@Agnieszka-sm6hd Nie myślę tak płytko jak Pani. Mam serce i patrzę sercem. Kamila to cudowna osoba i genialna łyżwiarka. Nie trzeba jej dopingu, aby prezentowała najwyższej klasy jazdę, figury i skoki. Pięknie przekazuje emocje. Dla mnie nie ma znaczenia, gdzie się urodziła .Tak powinni mysleć wszyscy, którzy kochają i znają sport.
@@jolantagolebiewska5263 tu nie chodzi o miejsce urodzenia. Tu chodzi o niesprawiedliwość wobec czystych sportowców. Rika, japońska łyżwiarka, próbowała je dogonić ucząc się 4S i co się stało? Tak kontuzjowana, że musiała ominąć cały sezon olimpijski.
The age isn't the issue. The doping is and intentionally doing so is. Kamila knew she was taking something that wasn't allowed. Her mother confirmed she was taking a heart medication and then Kamila admitted to taking other drugs, even though not banned, but which can also increase endurance. But the banned drug she took just happened to be her grandfather's? The other endurance drugs she knew about and willingly took, but this one banned drug shes clueless on and then throws her granfather under the bus??? That makes no sense and is illogical. She is literally and openly stating she takes drugs and thought she wouldn't get caught. Frankly the committe should have demanded documented proof of her heart condition from her doctors and had an independent cardiologist on site to test and review if it was true. She had a positive test result in Russia before coming to the Olympics so this wasn't a shock. They (herself, her mother and the coaches) thought she would get away with it and try to appeal to the fact that was 15 years old. However, 15 years old is not young or innocent, though. This isn't a child, but a teenager and teens are smart. She is at an age where she can understand what you are doing violates the rules. I knew that at my age when I competed in events. She should not have been sent in the first place and not allowed to compete by the IOC once they knew about the drugs. It's not fair to other athletes irregardless of age that follow the rules. Plus it would have removed the negativity from the competition. At the least her mother should have been had the dignity to remove her own daughter from the competition to save them all the embarrassment and for the rest of the Russian team. But no they didn't and she messed up her program because she was nervous and embarrassed from guilt and knew she messed up. If they were confident that she would be exonerated and this was a misunderstanding that would be cleared up, she wouldnt have been nervous and worried about the media and she would have skated perefectly. This is no different from Tonya Harding when flubbed her performance after the Nancy Kerrigan attack. Her ex husband and the body guard said Tonya knew about the plot to attack Kerrigan. The guilt and knowledge messed up her confidence and her performance. Not the media attention.
Of course it’s logical. Literally any athlete will take things that will help you as long as it’s not banned. You take care to make sure you are not taking things that are banned. Athletes for example can take sleep medication, or supplements to help them with their training. As long as it’s determined that it’s not going to give you a significant advantage, they are actually allowed. In Kamila’s case, of course everything she takes is under the discretion of her physician and coach. And you know what makes absolutely no sense at all? 1. TMZ has not had literally a single study showing that it gives advantage to an athlete, which is why it was only banned in 2014. It eventually got on the list for “theoretical” reasons. Because WADA drug list is very conservative. If Russians wanted to cheat, why would they risk their team gold, and their entire country being permanently banned, over a drug that has not proven to be effective? If it’s such a huge scandal and RUSADA is also involved as everyone speculates, why TMZ? There are plenty of other drugs that are proven to give you a significant advantage with lower dosage. 2. Why give the drug to Kamila? If the whole point is to win medals, they should’ve given it to Sasha Trusova who had the most quads and certainly would need to have the most endurance. From practical point of view it just doesn’t make sense. 3. Russia is not short of female figure skaters, if they just wanted to win medals, why use it when their top 10 would sweep the podium anyways? The whole makes absolutely no sense. The only conclusion if Russian team really is guilty is that they had a stroke or something and their IQ went down 50 points. And also, she messed up because she felt guilt? People like you make me sick to be honest. How would you have felt any other wise? You suddenly got tested positive and you have no clue why, your team’s medal is on your shoulders, everyone is looking at you calling you a cheater. Would you have performed well? And don’t tell me oh you would never test positive. You should take a look just how many clean athletes have tested positive. Recently one of the most decorated Romanian tennis player got tested positive, she has no clue why and is currently fighting for her innocence. Why do we not hear something about that in western media I wonder? The overly conservative drug testing and requirements are harming athletes, not helping them. They just don’t care about collateral damage it’s done to clean athletes.
Yelim💚 Yuna 👑💖 I understand Kami fans said Trimetazidine will never help Kami having crazy jumps, musicality, artistry, and super flexibility… but why it appears in the test sample when it is officially banned by rules 😳 1️⃣ YOU CANNOT COMPETE UNTIL WE PROVE YOU’RE CLEAN VS 2️⃣ YOU CAN COMPETE UNTIL WE PROVE YOU’RE GUILTY I hope there’s no more double standards in sports world 🙃
It will help her train more. Compare meldonium Liza and non-meldonium Liza. Same skater... worlds appart. It was a doping that allowed her to be robotic mouse throughout her programs and do zilion competitions in a season.
извините что не пишу не ту тему но я хотела увидеть Джунхвана в вашем канале я до сих пор ждуу я подписана то пожалуйста сделайте хотя бы один видео пожалуйста и я не из росси а Казахстана я тоже против Камила не должна вступать в олимпиаде я просто говорю моё мнение а я не Хейтер я никого не хейтила вот и я хочу сказать если Камила не вступила то такого сильного скандала не было
Okay, so if you look at the results of the test -- it is clear she was doping and for a while. They blamed the coach and said she is too young to know what she is taking -- but the other Russian skaters were NOT doping. I think this is sooo stupid -- she doped. She cheated. It is more than clear...
Heavier body is more likely to die from falling on ice they learned that from slide and slid with wet plastic mat over grass that only killed an adult and teenager. No one younger than that died using it, not claiming it could not happen though.
Now that age limit increase to 17 by the next Olympics become official, we felt it's time to revisit the entire doping scandal of the 15 years old Kamila Valieva during Beijing Olympics 2022 which prompted such historic decision for ISU. What happened then exactly? What was the fans, medias, and other skaters' reaction? What's on the line? Let's find out!
and if she was 17 years old, what would that change? an adult could get into such a situation, but not every adult would survive such pressure ...
in Europe it was clean, and at the Olympics the test was found so late ...
I hope the ISU reforms are aimed at the benefit of the skaters, and not in order to harm Tutberidze or completely remove Russia. ah, this country has a tuktamysheva
The fans, media and other skater's reactions have no merit whatsoever here, the doping case has not completed yet and the B sample has not been tested. Kamila was a protected person but somehow the doping results were held until the end of the team competition, which was illegal and hers was the only result not returned on time? Also, someone purposely leaked it to the press for maximum negative effect on the skater and letting the media determine the guilt or innocence. So who benefitted from this media circus? The medals for the team competition could now be given to the US, Japan and Canada and the IOC went against the CAS ruling (which could not be overturned) and said that if Kamila places in the top three then there would not be any medal ceremony, one might ask then what is the purpose of the CAS if the IOC doesn't abide by the decision? Keep in mind that if she had placed in the top 3 it would have been a Russian sweep. In my opinion, this was political sabotage!
@@kisimisi8243 She was also clean at the Olympics, the only positive test was from over two months ago in December which was disclosed so late instead of the stipulated 20 days.
Figure Skating is equal to corruption, for shame!
A very talented figure skater that always produced negative doping test results, INCLUDING FOR THE OLYMPICS, all of a sudden she and the whole team and coaches are attacked for "systemic" doping? That positive sample was kept secret, in an Olympic year, for over a month and produced just when Kamila helped her team win Gold. How do we know that that sample wasn't tampered with? In my opinion, this was sabotage to prevent Russia from taking the whole ladies podium and to deny the team gold medal but most importantly, this was the last year of the "doping" ban on Russia so of course a new one was needed.
I can't believe they asked Yuzuru about it. I'm glad he was like everyone skated well goodbye!
everyone skated well goodbye! ** That's literally the mood! Haha😆😆
Why am I not surprised that an English speaking (sounded American) journalist asked him a question about a controversial case that's not anywhere closely related to Yuzuru at all? And that too after going through one of the hardest times in his career? They just want to make hot headlines. Imagine if they got something out of him and the headline they would make with it. The audacity and shear rudeness
She just might be a child prodigy, but she was still a child. Adults on both sides failed her repeatedly. I don't give a damn what her nationality is... she was a minor. She was also highly favored to win the individual gold. Politics? I don't have the answers. After the team medal ceremony was canceled and that being heaped on her back, Valieva was consigned to a no-win pressure cooker. If she wins her teammates don't see the medal podium... well within their grasp. If she fails... her dream is dead. Her free skate was a vague shadow of herself. She skated off the ice utterly spent and heartbroken. What ensued is hard to watch. The term "child abuse" doesn't strike me as hyperbole. It strikes me as disgraceful. 15 years old. Shame on everyone involved in this debacle. The Olympics is broken... and a dark cloud is hanging over it.
No correspondía preguntarle a Yuzuru por el problema de kamila,no se puede opinar sin tener informacion completa,por suerte q él supo responder perfecto.
Exactly, and by asking Yuzuru this question proves that the media is purposely instigating this circus to demonize a 15 year old girl and her coaches for political reasons.
They asked everyone, not Yuzu only.
@@kadovax6567 They shouldn't be asking the opinion of any skaters or lay people, this is an ongoing investigation and should not use the media to discuss this issue.
i'm so glad the age limit was increased so loopholes like this can be avoided in the future
I felt very disappointed about recent figure skating rule changes passed by ISU! I wonder 1) Could ISU consider to create a separate competition for jumping and keep the traditional figure skating - which is balance between artistic and technical elements? The new competition may name ice jumping or ice gymnastic. 2) Could ISU penalize pre-rotation? It's no point to reward whole bunch of non-qualified quads! What it should do is: reward "real"/qualified quads! Same, call for non-proper usage of blade/top pick. 3) Could ISU get retired figure skater to be the judges - a lot criticism has results from inadequate technical knowledge of the judges.
Could they just stop playing politics altogether, they keep changing the rules when they can't beat the Russians, same thing happened back with the "scandal" in Canada with the ice dancing. It is because of what happened in Canada that we now have this system chosen to be changed by the West. It doesn't matter how you change the rules because the Russians have great figure skaters, especially the ladies, and the only way to beat them is to eliminate them, that is what they are trying to do now.
Prerotation was always(!) unlimited.
If you think it "makes it easy" to jump the quad(or even triple) - go and land it.
For the first one I think is unnecessary. Artistic elements is very subjective. Judges themselves are very subjective. Is like everyone likes different kinds of food. But what the ISU can do is to hire judges with different taste of music…maybe. Or reward a bit more points on other elements other than jumps. For incorrect techniques, I feel like there’s solutions. Such as sacrificing the traditional real time scoring system and rather let judges take time to judge the skaters jumps. And also make sure judges are more objective on scoring the jump techniques(training of judges…whatever necessary to make sure judges is objective in scoring jumps). Anyway, not sure what’s the situation is in ISU.
@@MeMeMeME-tj6il I agree with your points except, "[j]udges themselves are very subjective. Is like everyone likes different kinds of food," because what they are judging isn't their personal preference. They have a guideline and they should follow that guideline, not their personal taste although it may influence certain categories and therefore the score. You mentioned they should be objective about techniques, I also think it should apply to artistic points to some extent (because fully is not feasible) that they shouldn't look at it as how they liked it personally. For example, you may not personally prefer a book, but you may acknowledge its value in literature. They should give justification for their score and I totally agree giving them more time would be a great step
There is the World Figure & Fancy Skating Championships. It concentrates on figures, not jumps.
كل هذا لاسقاط الهيمنة الروسية. حتى بدون كاميلا. فروسيا ستفوز على كل ارتحتم الان لقد ترك لكم ابطال روسيا المجال فوزو كما شئتم بالجوائز 😒دعو يوزو وشأنه لا تدخلوه في هذه الأمور اتركو أميرنا وشأنه
Да, коллективный запад сверг гегемонию России в фигурном катании. Но в данный момент Россия свергает гегемонию коллективного Запада в геополитическом мире💪🇷🇺
@@dorin7775 لا متعة في التزلج من دون روسيا بدونهم تصبح بطولاتهم كالطعام من دون ملح خصوصا بعد اعتزال يوزورو ستنخفض شعبية رياضة التزلج لست روسية ولكن استمتع بمشاركة الروس ❤️
You can understand the media, this is their job. BUT that the former figure skaters forgot in this scandal, their words about the obstrateniye of Valieva are not valid. because they are not involved persons. The only thing that Kim and Weir could do was add haters to Kamilla.
A completely different example is Hanyu, who knows that being at the Olympics is already a huge achievement, that Kamila is strong even without doping.
it's great that in Russia they supported the kami, because she was afraid to let everyone down. no one talked about the medal, it was important for everyone to support the Kami
The “one” who truly brings hates to Kami is CAS and OG committee, who allowed Kami continue to compete after Trimetazidine found in her test sample.
Double standards lead to hatred and hurt.
@@yachuchuang3651 funny. if everything was proven, then they would not be allowed to participate. this is a complex matter that is not yet typical, and popular skaters in it that they forgot
Cute little Kami than went to fangirl over Putin and still acts like a victim.
Yeah, she did let russia down. In normal country, she'd get ripped a new one and deservedly so. Cheating is not something to be glorified.
It's more like a political struggle. The time point is odd, for which I think it is quite unfair to a 15th girl.
find doping before team competitions🙈😧
find dope before personal👍😍
if you think that everything should work well like a Swiss watch, then just remember the sports officials
Shifted the question from “Should Kamila Valieva be held accountable and bear the full responsibility for doping, regardless of her age?” to “Who should be responsible for Kamila Valieva’s doping scandal, Kamila or her coaches?”. And who should be held responsible, a 15 years old skater who’s had to endure years and years of abuse, a victim of child exploitation, who had literally no control over her body because of her controlling coaches, or her controlling, abusive coaches who had destroyed numerous young girl's bodies for her own gain, and who will continue to do so if we don’t put a stop to it?
THANK YOU! It’s so sad how nobody thought of the coaches and their behavior for a second in this whole process and blamed everything on Kamila.
Eteri Tutberidze has already brought up more than one Olympic champion, especially since her pupils take all the prizes both in juniors and in adult competitions. Her school has simply dominated women's figure skating over the past few years, and that's a fact. And none of the girls was convicted of doping. It's all from envy and anger and a dirty political game! And be sure everyone will get for the lies and dirty games!🙏😇
@@mikevlad13 Absolutely correct.
@@mikevlad13 I respect your opinion, but I'll will stand by mine. Kamila being a minor won’t change the fact that she had taken an illegal substance, and letting her continue skating is extremely unfair and disrespectful toward all skaters who skate and follow the same set of rules. If a Kamila is deemed incapable of understanding the ramifications of breaking the rules and, as a child, is too vulnerable to be appropriately penalized for it then surely the rules themselves have just admitted that protected persons are too young and vulnerable to compete in such brutal sports? Kamila had made a decision to enter an international competition, so there should be no excuse or exception made for her, just because of her age. To allow Kamila to continue competing just because she's a minor is asinine and utterly destroys the integrity of the Olympics.
Eteri's former student had spoken out numerous times about her abusive training method. Yulia Lipnitskaya, about her anorexia, caused by Eteri’s obsession with keeping her student at a fixed weight, and how for weeks, Eteri denied her food, basically starving Yulia, and only surviving on a strict diet of powdered nutrients. Evgenia Medvedeva, about how Eteri relies on pills that will block and slow down puberty to keep skaters in a certain body mode, about how now, even after she retired, Evgenia can’t even sit without being in pained, and how she can’t even turn left anymore. Alina Zagitova, about how Eteri pushes her body to the limit, and how Alina loses everything after her puberty is completed. Aliona Kostonaia, about just how abusive Eteri’s training regime is, how she skated on broken bones and screaming muscles, how Eteri motivates students by humiliating them, just how Eteri had destroyed her, inside and out. Even the unknown one, Shuboderova, recounted how one time, after a poor training practice, Eteri pulled her out of the rink and forced her to sit in the trash can, saying trash belongs in the trash.
Think what you want, but to treat gullible, young, and impressionable teenage girls as tools, as medal-winning machine isn't an action to be praised.
@@khanhvyle4112 I don't get how people forget that she tested clean both for the European championships and the Olympic games and that's why she was allowed to compete....how about we blame the lousy laboratory for delivering the results more than twice the time allowed...and the results came 1 day after Russia won the team event and had the victory ceremony...now is that just a " coincidence" ?....I think not.... There's fowl play involved here and that lab should be investigated thoroughly...
So after the age limit raise, if a 17 y.o athlete was suspected of doping use, would they be treated as adult now? Or would they still be a minor according to WADA rule (iirc their rule stated adult as 18 y.o above)?
I think 17 y.o is still considered a minor under WADA rule... So weird why they raise it to 17 but not 18 if they wanna cover up this loophole..
스포츠를 하는 선수가 도핑을.. 정말 역겹다 나이가 어리다고 보호해주려면 성인과 같이 경쟁하면 안되지
I feel bad for her but I think she should not compete anymore, since it is unfair to other 15 year olds that didn’t dope. Also can someone please sue her coach like wtf are you feeding a 15 year old? Kamila didn’t have the right to make decisions, nor did she understand her decisions, yet she had to bear the consequences all by herself.
Not compete at all? She has every right to compete
When the investigation is over if they find her guilty then they might suspend her for some time. I think they will most likely punish her coaches who doped her
Thank You for making such an informative, factual documentary! 🤩
Glad to hear!! 💓💓
I second that! Please continue to work on these informative documentary fsf!
Siempre tendré en mente el estrés de querer que los resultados de dopaje salieran antes de la selección de patinadoras
Se hubiera evitado tanto
El dopaje siempre será algo que merece su sanción
Pero el odio público que recibió y aún recibe kamila me parece absurdo
Es súper pequeña y como dicen su carrera ya esta marcada
Yo no creo que Kamila haya recibido odio, más bien todo lo contrario, se ha dirigido la culpa a sus entrenadores y su equipo médico, Kamila es menor u no tiene responsabilidad, fue su equipo quien permitió que saliese con la capucha de la sudadera delante de los periodistas mientras sus entrenadores salían por la puerta de atrás. De Hecho el COI fue injusto con los patinadores que patinan limpio al permitir patinar a Kamila, pero se encontraban con su falta de responsabilidad al ser menor de edad. Si Kamila no hubiese dado positivo la ISU nunca hubiese subido la edad de competición, al hacerlo tiene más margen para actuar sobre la responsabilidad de los patinadores
ISU got blood on their hands, poor shame!
兴奋剂阳性，应该禁赛，否则何来公平可言？不过花滑这项运动也已经废在ISU手里了。
我不会支持kamila。兴奋剂是对所有的人不公平
El dopaje es injusto. Ningún autoridad ruso desmintió tal acusación solo decían que la apoyarían ... Que se puede esperar de los Rusos que siempre se meten en ese lío.
Literally correct
From what I have looked up on her case, she had multiple drug tests during this time period. If she was a long term user it would have showed up then. However, the tests were negative and nothing was done at that point. I think something shady happened between the European championships and the Olympics. Someone wanted her out of the competition. Is it possible that she is guilty of doping, yes it is but then again I point at the drug testing she went through before and during the European Championships. Looking at it, something is definitely wrong with this case
FS Fan do u know that ISU deleted transition and interpretation to the music in the PCS? Now there are only skating skills, compositions, and performance (now called presentation)
Another step closer to transforming 'Figure Skating' into 'Ice Jumping' imo :'(
a travesty
we know, but that's another case and nothing to do with the video.
@@1234butt yeah I'm just surprised they didn't post this news in the community.
We know. We didn’t post it because.. like does it matter? It’s not like the judges had been judging the transition and interpretation of music fairly in the past lol 😂 With or without those boxes, they always just give out highest points to their favorites.. Freedom of expression etc, all are just an excuse. The more we learn about the judging, the more we realize it’s just their personal votes for their favorite skaters. With or without those 2 criterias, it’s already a ice jumping competitions so..
***Kamila Valieva*** recovered well from all the wrath she had to endure. I like to see her evolve on the ice. She is a ***Great*** and authentic artist. Flexibility, elegance, everything seems easy and airy, so light. And then, she has a gift for slipping into so many roles, costumes. Prestance, really a very beautiful skater who remains humble, it is an immense quality and a remarkable intelligence. Terrific in different shows on ice watched this winter :)) With gratitude for your report around and on Lady Kamila Valieva, although I do not understand English, I suspect that you appreciate it too :)) Congratulations to "her" from Switzerland
Note! According to an extract from ADAMS (an online system for collecting and storing athlete data), Kamila Valieva underwent multiple doping tests from August 24, 2019 to February 7, 2022. All samples were negative, in particular, from January 13 and February 7, 2022. And for some reason, the sample dated December 25, 2021, firstly, was detained due to the fake illness of the laboratory staff, secondly, they allegedly revealed the presence of three substances: carnitine, hypoxen (both are not prohibited) and the prohibited trimetazidine in the minimum dose, and thirdly, it was presented after the victory of Russia in the team competition and on the eve of hostilities in Ukraine. What is the conclusion? This muck got accidentally or on purpose! The hypocrisy of the IOC began in 1936 when it chose Germany to host the Olympic Games under Hitler's rule. And the venality of WADA, RUSADA and controlled laboratories can be judged by numerous scandals on doping tests, for example, Serena Williams, Madisyn Cox and many other athletes. At the ongoing ISU conference in Phuket, the first vote is to decide to vote behind closed doors so that no one can answer for their decision! Corruption is out there! And you have no right to break the fate of talented athletes! You can't talk about any clean sport when dirty politics interfere!🙏😇
No matter how you put it, she failed a doping test. PERIOD!!!
@@FigureNastics Turn on your brains and logic, compare the facts! Or are you as deviant as Adam Rippon and Johnny Weir?🤣
The Russians have proven adept at doping over time and therefore understand masking.
Why do you think they can’t perform as Russia?
Even their perfected system will have slip throughs.
Besides, if a 15 needs the banned heart drugs, probably shouldn’t be in such stressful and strenuous act.
@@catherinesullivan641 I'm not sure if you're not a bot, because your newly created account does not have any interests, but I'll answer. Why is it necessary to apply remedies from the heart to a young developing organism if it is not sick? Another question is why are Norwegian skiers allowed to use drugs allegedly for asthma? The Fancy Bears hacker group has obtained access to classified documents of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and published these data. It turned out that a whole group of athletes, among whom were the sisters Serena and Venus Williams, received special permission from WADA for the use of prohibited drugs, that is, in fact, they legally take doping. According to these documents, Serena was allowed to use oxycodone, hydromorphone, prednisone, prednisolone and methylprednisolone in 2010, 2014 and 2015. The first two drugs are powerful painkillers containing opioids. The rest are glucocorticosteroids, which affect the hormonal background of athletes. These anti-inflammatory drugs are generally prohibited from use during competition. You don't have to be an expert to see with your own eyes that it is impossible to create such a female body without doping.🤣
@@catherinesullivan641 You are basing all these comments on what you are hearing on social media, the doping case is still being investigated, if you are American you should know that you are innocent until proven guilty.
Hai… its rlly sad the fact that Kamila was only 15!!
Though I'm not Kamila's fan, but I do hope she stays in the sport to prove everyone wrong about her. But.. hard to imagine that will happen at this point 😫
How is it even 'doping' if it was a tiny amount, in one of hundreds of tests, 3 months before the games, and not even a tiny amount after that? That's just dumb. How is a minuscule amount of that chemical in the blood 3 months prior to the games possibly gonna make any difference 3 months after totally leaving the system. It kinda seems like someone picked her out and used her as a scapegoat, to diminish her achievements, that she literally worked so so hard for.
It's the fact that it's banned and was in her system. PERIOD! .
Because it was BANNED TO BEGIN WITH.
Russia knows that.
A child needing this heart medication?
2 answers: it should never be in her system to begin with and it wasn't just before the game, apparently the rule is for the entire season.
It's not dumb, it's actually pretty simple, they can try to cleanse the athlete out before the official date of tests then go back to doping again after.
That is well said and I totally agree with you....that shady Lab should be investigated thoroughly for the extremely late test results and the people who work there....
It's doping because it's a banned substance.
Maybe she should be banned until test clean on drugs but should not hate on her. Many USA athletes have used drugs in the past.
Yes, In the past indeed,& they were very few. Not Now
everyone says that it was not necessary to send a 15-year-old athlete?
Is age to blame? no. it is adult uncles and aunts who are to blame for the fact that kami in Europe was clean, and at the Olympics after the team competition with doping.
and not every adult would have survived such that she was 15
Russia, if not going to the games, is only because it is tired of such an attitude
Hmm, I wonder why Eteri is now in the USA and Diana will represent USA in ice dance?
@@FigureNastics Этери ездит к дочке и она сама ни раз говорила о том, что он там не приживется
@@FigureNastics she is a US citizen
they put a program there
about the change of sports citizenship is unknown, but Eteri says that this is a lie
@@kisimisi8243 I believe USFS has already confirmed they are letting Diana switch but not Annabelle Morozov. Morozov will probably represent France.. And what's funny if soon as Russia invaded Ukraine, the beloved Eteri leaves and moves to USA(which most all Russians hate), deletes all her photos of/with Putin and hasn't supported the war, which is wonderful... just shows she actually has some morals and that it's all about the money...
Sorry for my English
I use a translator
Wanna know more abt the analysis of Alexandra's performance and the scoring in the Olympics 🤞
Haha that would be another controversy.. will think about it. Thanks for suggesting :)
I need to thank this scandal for being blown out of proportion which led me to watch the Beijing gala and discovered Hanyu
Silver lining 🤭😅
Я буду писать в данном контексте только на РУССКОМ! языке. Камила Валиева - это мой ребенок и я не дам её унижать. Все к то посмеет приблизиться к ее имени своими погаными языками - берегитесь. В том числе я не позволю обижать и других ребят фигуристов моей СТРАНЫ,моей РОССИИ. Это люди гениальные ,,это индивидуумы ,это дано природой. Природу не изменить . Хочу сказать о мальчике из Японии - Юдзуру Ханю, оставьте парня в покое! Это достойный человек своей страны ,маленькой ,но гордой.Я считаю ,что если некоторые не дотягивают в спорте до уровня чемпионов ,то не следует их тащить за уши к призовым местам. И тем более делать из чемпионов - оружие политического характера,разводить домыслы и сплетни.
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Eventually, gene doping technology will be established. That's in the not too distant future. If that happens, conventional doping testing will become completely meaningless.
please think about it. How can we test athletes whose genome editing has already made them superhuman since they were infants?
Eventually, gene doping technology will be established. It's not that far in the future. In that case, conventional doping testing becomes completely meaningless.
please think about it. How can we test athletes whose genome editing has already made them superhuman since they were infants?
"If it were Simone Biles she would be diagnosed with 'twisties', a mental condition that affected her body perception on air."
Tbh the sanction against Russia for 2014 state sponsored doping wasn't hard enough. Like how could they compete under OAR (Pyeongchang) and ROC (Beijing) in the team events while you know, having no country represented. They're allowed to compete as individual athletes but yet they they could compete in team events. This just doesn't compute lmao.
Latest news, the B sample has net yet tested (based on the new head of ISU) meaning Kamila's team haven't requested the test. Me think they believe the sample will be positive as well thus weakening the defence... I'm praying my hardest the entire Tut team can go to jail and ban forever from figure skating
and what a scandal was in Sochi?
@@kisimisi8243 Ummm STATE SPONSORED DOPING!
@@FigureNastics example...
@@FigureNastics I didn't bother to reply. Either that person live under a rock, being sarcastic, or just pure bots. I bet the latter cause there're still people who deny the state sponsored doping allegation or call the sanction unjustified.
The detected concentration of trimetazidine is estimated at 2.1 ng/ml. The concentration of 2.1 ng/mL is well below the technical detection limit of trimetazidine (10 ng/mL). A positive analysis may be due to a technical error. This was confirmed at the hearing about the intention to request an analysis of the “B” sample. Аt the moment, she is denied the right to open the "B" sample.
It is so easy to dope these athletes
Truthfully.
Look what happened to the NZ Rugby team they poisoned the whole team in Melbourne Australia , this stuff happens all the time to the innocent and then penalties for the whole team something has to change for the better
No matter who has any reason to use the dope which is illegal during the sports events, they should be punished.
If anyone said that they have to use these kind of dope to keep theirbody healthy, they should get away from the tournament, and all the sports events.
我個人覺得，卡米拉未成年，教練說的話可能都比父母更重要。教練在這個案子中要負最大的責任，而卡米拉的藥檢如果沒有過、就是陽性反應，就必需要接受處罰，但處罰可以因為未成年或是藥檢報告延遲才通知而減輕。不然對認真的運動員不公平。
教練和隊醫真的要嚴格調查
Kocham tę codowna, genialną, magiczną Kamilkę. Do tej pory serce pęka, na myśl, co musiała przeżyć , z jakim bólem zmierzyć, ile upokorzenia znieść. Tak prosto oskarżyć, nie ponosząc żadnej odpowiedzialności. Tylu wyjadaczy żądnych rozgłosu, przecieko talentowi, aniołowi na łyżwach, jakiego świat do tej pory nie widział. Kamila, to piękno, szlachetność, doskonałoś, niewiarygodny talent i najbardziej pokorny sportowiec . Mam nadzieję, że odpowiedzialność i kara dopodnie tych, ktorzy przyczynili się do zszargania kariery i moralności , tak niewiarygodnie utalentowanej i ciężko pracującej Kamili. To nie doping sprawił, że od Kamili nie można oderwać oczu, że brakuje tchu, ściska w gardle i ma sie ciarki po calym ciele. Ksmilka cierpi i reszta świata, ktora Ją uwielbia rownież.😢👧❤
Chyba powinnaś się mocno zastanowić, zanim cokolwiek napiszesz.
@@Agnieszka-sm6hd Nie myślę tak płytko jak Pani. Mam serce i patrzę sercem. Kamila to cudowna osoba i genialna łyżwiarka. Nie trzeba jej dopingu, aby prezentowała najwyższej klasy jazdę, figury i skoki. Pięknie przekazuje emocje. Dla mnie nie ma znaczenia, gdzie się urodziła .Tak powinni mysleć wszyscy, którzy kochają i znają sport.
@@jolantagolebiewska5263 tu nie chodzi o miejsce urodzenia. Tu chodzi o niesprawiedliwość wobec czystych sportowców.
Rika, japońska łyżwiarka, próbowała je dogonić ucząc się 4S i co się stało? Tak kontuzjowana, że musiała ominąć cały sezon olimpijski.
The age isn't the issue. The doping is and intentionally doing so is. Kamila knew she was taking something that wasn't allowed. Her mother confirmed she was taking a heart medication and then Kamila admitted to taking other drugs, even though not banned, but which can also increase endurance. But the banned drug she took just happened to be her grandfather's? The other endurance drugs she knew about and willingly took, but this one banned drug shes clueless on and then throws her granfather under the bus??? That makes no sense and is illogical. She is literally and openly stating she takes drugs and thought she wouldn't get caught. Frankly the committe should have demanded documented proof of her heart condition from her doctors and had an independent cardiologist on site to test and review if it was true.
She had a positive test result in Russia before coming to the Olympics so this wasn't a shock. They (herself, her mother and the coaches) thought she would get away with it and try to appeal to the fact that was 15 years old.
However, 15 years old is not young or innocent, though. This isn't a child, but a teenager and teens are smart. She is at an age where she can understand what you are doing violates the rules. I knew that at my age when I competed in events.
She should not have been sent in the first place and not allowed to compete by the IOC once they knew about the drugs. It's not fair to other athletes irregardless of age that follow the rules. Plus it would have removed the negativity from the competition. At the least her mother should have been had the dignity to remove her own daughter from the competition to save them all the embarrassment and for the rest of the Russian team.
But no they didn't and she messed up her program because she was nervous and embarrassed from guilt and knew she messed up. If they were confident that she would be exonerated and this was a misunderstanding that would be cleared up, she wouldnt have been nervous and worried about the media and she would have skated perefectly. This is no different from Tonya Harding when flubbed her performance after the Nancy Kerrigan attack. Her ex husband and the body guard said Tonya knew about the plot to attack Kerrigan. The guilt and knowledge messed up her confidence and her performance. Not the media attention.
Of course it’s logical. Literally any athlete will take things that will help you as long as it’s not banned. You take care to make sure you are not taking things that are banned. Athletes for example can take sleep medication, or supplements to help them with their training. As long as it’s determined that it’s not going to give you a significant advantage, they are actually allowed. In Kamila’s case, of course everything she takes is under the discretion of her physician and coach.
And you know what makes absolutely no sense at all? 1. TMZ has not had literally a single study showing that it gives advantage to an athlete, which is why it was only banned in 2014. It eventually got on the list for “theoretical” reasons. Because WADA drug list is very conservative. If Russians wanted to cheat, why would they risk their team gold, and their entire country being permanently banned, over a drug that has not proven to be effective? If it’s such a huge scandal and RUSADA is also involved as everyone speculates, why TMZ? There are plenty of other drugs that are proven to give you a significant advantage with lower dosage. 2. Why give the drug to Kamila? If the whole point is to win medals, they should’ve given it to Sasha Trusova who had the most quads and certainly would need to have the most endurance. From practical point of view it just doesn’t make sense. 3. Russia is not short of female figure skaters, if they just wanted to win medals, why use it when their top 10 would sweep the podium anyways?
The whole makes absolutely no sense. The only conclusion if Russian team really is guilty is that they had a stroke or something and their IQ went down 50 points.
And also, she messed up because she felt guilt? People like you make me sick to be honest. How would you have felt any other wise? You suddenly got tested positive and you have no clue why, your team’s medal is on your shoulders, everyone is looking at you calling you a cheater. Would you have performed well? And don’t tell me oh you would never test positive. You should take a look just how many clean athletes have tested positive. Recently one of the most decorated Romanian tennis player got tested positive, she has no clue why and is currently fighting for her innocence. Why do we not hear something about that in western media I wonder? The overly conservative drug testing and requirements are harming athletes, not helping them. They just don’t care about collateral damage it’s done to clean athletes.
Yup. Money and power get what they want regardless of rules
ドーピング も 問題だけど 審判買収 も 大問題です
選手も引退して10年以上前の話だけど 問題にすべきこと なんじゃないかな
Is there any one restricted in saying that it was a very low dose that was detected
At this Olympics an attempt was made to destroy one of the greatest talents! The infamous world!
Exactly, so now what would prevent more dirty tricks at the next Olympics? Nothing, this will just keep happening.
Yelim💚 Yuna 👑💖
I understand Kami fans said Trimetazidine will never help Kami having crazy jumps, musicality, artistry, and super flexibility… but why it appears in the test sample when it is officially banned by rules 😳
1️⃣ YOU CANNOT COMPETE UNTIL WE PROVE YOU’RE CLEAN
VS
2️⃣ YOU CAN COMPETE UNTIL WE PROVE YOU’RE GUILTY
I hope there’s no more double standards in sports world 🙃
So in dopping cases you are guilty under you prove innocense?
It will help her train more. Compare meldonium Liza and non-meldonium Liza. Same skater... worlds appart. It was a doping that allowed her to be robotic mouse throughout her programs and do zilion competitions in a season.
Sometimes it seems to me that all people are blind and deaf
They ripped her off.
不認為自己做錯事，若無其事地出賽，什麼心理壓力很大..這都是很可恥的行為。
想贏就要作弊的心理是真運動家嗎！
她永遠消失在我的視線，除非她公開為她的愚蠢道歉。
извините что не пишу не ту тему но я хотела увидеть Джунхвана в вашем канале я до сих пор ждуу я подписана то пожалуйста сделайте хотя бы один видео пожалуйста и я не из росси а Казахстана я тоже против Камила не должна вступать в олимпиаде я просто говорю моё мнение а я не Хейтер я никого не хейтила вот и я хочу сказать если Камила не вступила то такого сильного скандала не было
Okay, so if you look at the results of the test -- it is clear she was doping and for a while. They blamed the coach and said she is too young to know what she is taking -- but the other Russian skaters were NOT doping. I think this is sooo stupid -- she doped. She cheated. It is more than clear...
Heavier body is more likely to die from falling on ice they learned that from slide and slid with wet plastic mat over grass that only killed an adult and teenager. No one younger than that died using it, not claiming it could not happen though.
Rusada also sued against Kamila
여태 천재소녀라고 불리우는 그녀가 약물로 천재가 된 소녀였다니 참..
You don't cheat by taking her grandpa heart med to win. And she got gold 🥇🪙 isn't fair to others skaters.