I Had Rhabdo...and Didn't Know It! (Danger for Backpackers)

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  • @DanBecker
    @DanBecker Рік тому +27

    So glad you are better!! And it’s good for people to know about Rhabdo. It can save a life!! Thank you!!

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому +5

      It really is! I hope you are doing well…your situation was much scarier. Any very different, which is why people really need to be aware of it.

  • @cottontalesfromthetrail5474
    @cottontalesfromthetrail5474 Рік тому +12

    Joey, you are the third UA-camr that has had this condition that I had never heard of until Dan Becker got it. I work in the extreme heat and have been so mindful after hearing Dan’s story of drinking more and more electrolytes instead of just water. Thank you for sharing your story and I hope others will take the necessary precautions with their health. Happy Hiking

    • @jimizxztheorginal
      @jimizxztheorginal Рік тому +1

      Based on that, it seems like youtubers are at a higher risk than the general population...

  • @TwylaWorld
    @TwylaWorld Рік тому +10

    My cousin in her 40s died suddenly from this last year. She had severe back pain and thought she pulled a muscle or pinched nerve from all the walking she was doing and went to a chiropractor. She was gone a week or so later. Eventually the pain was so severe she went to ER and it was too late. I had never heard of it before her death. It can be so dangerous and so glad you are ok!!!! Scary stuff!

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому

      That is awful to hear. What a shame they didn’t recognize what was going on sooner. I am deeply sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing so others will know.

    • @sulj3373
      @sulj3373 Рік тому

      Very sad. So sorry.

  • @adelevickers2120
    @adelevickers2120 Рік тому +8

    Thanks for explaining this condition. It must have been so frustrating when you knew your body wasnt ok. As a 71yr old hiker, health professionals often dismiss symptoms as old age, stop stressing the body etc. We know when there is something significant happening.
    I hike in Australia where its so important to take electrolytes.

    • @thisorthat7626
      @thisorthat7626 Рік тому +3

      @adelevickers2120, you are spot on that doctors often dismiss medical concerns as being due to old age. I had many a "discussion" with doctors when I was caring for my 90 yo mom. I was polite but adamant that we knew what her baseline health was and that her symptoms were not due to old age. In two cases, that saved her life. We have to be our own advocate when it comes to our health. Blessings.

  • @LionessHiker
    @LionessHiker Рік тому +5

    My oldest daughter had rhabdomyolysis when she was 8. She crawled down the hallway during the night to tell me her legs hurt! I took her to the ER. We were told it was likely due to a viral infection. She had not done any extremely strenuous activity or been exposed to excessive heat or cold. The hospital kept her a few days, giving her IV hydration until her creatine kinase levels decreased. They were concerned it might get worse. It did not, thank God! She recovered fully with no kidney damage.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому +1

      Wow! That’s scary. Thank goodness she was ok.

  • @MountainsRiverSea
    @MountainsRiverSea 11 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for sharing.
    I don’t think I had rhabdo but my husband and I did a loop bike trip several years ago over Thunder Mountain near Bryce Canyon and I accidentally had us go the wrong direction going down the gradual paved path and then up the steep backside of the mountain which meant we did “hike a bike” for hours. It was a sunny dry day, not super hot (Nov) but I still way overexerted myself and drank my whole Camelback of water by the afternoon and about a mile or 2 from the car I couldn’t go anymore (even walking) and I think now I actually had hyponatremia (too much water not enough electrolytes) but very similar symptoms of literally my body just couldn’t go anymore combined with dizziness, and extreme exhaustion and fatigue. I ate a Cliff bar and sat down for a few minutes and I think it put enough electrolytes back in me that I was able to keep going but my husband had to walk my bike out for me on any uphills.
    It’s the only time in my life I ever started thinking “I’m not gonna make it out of here.” (The sun was setting and temps were dropping).
    So, all that to say, just be careful you don’t over hydrate without enough electrolytes!

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  11 місяців тому +1

      Thank you. That sounds like a scary situation, glad you made out out ok. I don’t think “hike a bike”would ever be fun, but that’s just me 😉

    • @MountainsRiverSea
      @MountainsRiverSea 11 місяців тому +1

      @@JoyfulRambler no it was not fun! lol but it was all because of my mistake. But we made it out and have it as a “war story” and to this day if we’re going through a hard situation we’ll shout “Thunder Mountain”! as motivation and laugh 😂

  • @dssisson
    @dssisson Рік тому +4

    Thank you for sharing this information. Two years ago during a much shorter hike than yours, the Bartram Trail, I experienced the same symptoms and had no idea as to what was going on. Now that you have shared your experience I suspect I had rhabdo and now know what to look for going forward, which could be a life saver on future hikes. Glad you are doing better and thank you again for sharing.

  • @shoresy6183
    @shoresy6183 Рік тому +6

    Sorry to hear about your experience. I had Rhabdo when I was in college. I worked out (free weights) when I had a virus. I was hospitalized for a few days. They were pumping in 1 liter IV water bags at a rate of 1 bag per hour and giving me diuretics. I was peeing like crazy. Fortunately, I don't think there was any permanent damage. They also check for the CK enzyme in people that suffer heart attacks. The Dr said a person that suffers a heart attack may have a CK in the 100's. Someone in a serious car accident 500+. Mine was so high, it was in the 1000's. They had to dilute my blood to get a reading. Scary stuff for sure.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому

      Thats really scary! Happy to hear you fully recovered.

  • @lisaallison4371
    @lisaallison4371 Рік тому +4

    Wow and gosh, Joey, you are one tough cookie!! What a scary and enlightening diagnosis!! Thank goodness it wasn't worse. But it's sad that you were sick and miserable (and beating yourself up for it) through most of your CT journey. Really - I don't know how you powered through it!! Thank you for sharing your rhabdo experience, describing its symptoms and explaining how dangerous it can be. Excellent video.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Lisa. It’s a shame that I was taking all on myself and not thinking about a medical condition. But all in all it turned out to be great hike, with so many lessons learned!

  • @grnmtns1
    @grnmtns1 Рік тому +6

    Glad you're okay! I was aware of dehydration concerns but never heard of rhabdo. Now I feel better about my decision to start out with low mileage when I do the Appalachian Trail next year, at age 64. I'll keep it under 10 miles per day at least for the first couple of weeks, and have a few that are just five miles to a hostel for a rest.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому

      Good idea while you get your trail legs. And NEROs into town are a wonderful way to maximize your time. Have an amazing hike!

    • @laurak8240
      @laurak8240 11 місяців тому

      Good luck on your thru hike! I'm class of 2011. I'm just a year older than you are and have backpacked almost every year since I was 21, usually several weeks or months per year. I have always until recently started out at 6-8 miles per day for the first week, 7-11 the second week, and by the third week I alternated shorter days with days 15 or over. (Now I am forced to walk shorter miles because of arthritis in a knee.) I avoided a lot of soreness and injuries getting into shape gradually. Good luck and have a blast!

  • @thisbeem2714
    @thisbeem2714 4 місяці тому +1

    Someone my husband works with got this recently. Then I saw Dan’s experience and now yours. Quite a storm.

  • @Beth_F
    @Beth_F Рік тому +5

    Wow! Thanks for sharing. It's helpful to know that symptoms can be so varied. One of my big takeaways from your story is to listen to my body and trust my instincts, especially as I get older. When hiking, I'm not out to prove anything to anyone, expect perhaps myself. Glad to hear you are okay and that this won't slow you down or keep you off trail.

  • @tridoc99
    @tridoc99 Рік тому +4

    I was training for a marathon and after a long training run of about 20 miles a had brown urine. My MD said it was from the walls of my bladder rubbing against each other and creating blood in my urine. In retrospect I think it was rhabdo. It’s hard to decipher if fatigue is from rhabdo or just really hard exertion. But if I ever have dark urine while training or hiking hard again I will definitely get checked. I appreciate all the people like you and Dan bringing awareness to this .

  • @christopherhaak9824
    @christopherhaak9824 5 місяців тому +1

    Exercise induced rhabdo is extremely rare and typically only occurs at high exertion levels for extended periods of time. Muscle breakdown is needed for it to occur and most people are not capable of working at that level to enable it. Dan Becker was a flat out idiot and got dehydrated badly and was in poor shape for his GC hike. Every long distance hiker knows that hydration needs to occur on a schedule, not simply when thirsty. In general, hikers almost never get rhabdo simply because they are not exerting at a high enough level for muscle breakdown to occur. We are not talking about sore muscles here, or bonking, but actual rhabdo.

  • @troutfisher7182
    @troutfisher7182 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for sharing this info. I've never heard of it. Glad it's a one time thing

  • @jody5303
    @jody5303 Рік тому +3

    It's not just dehydration . Really the perfect storm comes together to create this issue. Hard workout which causes muscle breakdown and release of protein into your blood stream. Couple that with dehydration and your kidneys can't filter the protein. Did you take Motrin? Motrin can be a huge player in developing it. Everyone talks about Vitamin I but few know how dangerous it can be to use during intense physical exertion.

  • @davidstrumsky7012
    @davidstrumsky7012 6 місяців тому +2

    Yes, more people ought to know about Rhabdo. I think that's why the (reported) cases of it are so few - it's misdiagnosed & most of us never seek formal diagnosis. Plus it's only nowadays that many of us frequent hikers are getting older and our bodies react so differently than they did when we were younger, more resilient. Our brains are also part of the problem, we keep pushing ourselves. The other big lesson you learned, I think, that we should really take away, is: Get off the trail, be willing to break your plans. It's one thing to think you will do that; it's totally another, when the time actually comes. Another thought: the hardest part about a long-distance hike is the few weeks *before* the hike/backpack, when we are so focused on outcome that we lose sight of where we are.

  • @theoutdoordogandhikinggirl
    @theoutdoordogandhikinggirl Рік тому +3

    Never heared of this condition, but I am glad I did now.. it's good to know more about the symptoms. Thanks for sharing

  • @thisorthat7626
    @thisorthat7626 Рік тому +1

    From your description of your hike, it seems like the high elevation and the heat combined to caused issues. I don't think people give high altitude enough respect since we can easily drive to 10,000 feet. Thanks for sharing your story as it will help others in the future.

  • @valane178
    @valane178 Рік тому +3

    I had never heard of Rhabdo, so thank you for sharing your story and the information about the condition. I has enlightened all of who watch your UA-cam videos. Winkle

  • @middleearthchronicles2269
    @middleearthchronicles2269 Рік тому +4

    Did you let the urgent care know what your actual diagnosis was so that they can take that into consideration for future hikers?

  • @BIKESnSKILLETS
    @BIKESnSKILLETS 11 місяців тому +1

    Had hysterectomy..had ureter accidently cut .had nephrostomy tube and bag..had kidney infection.. sepsis 7 months of antibiotics second surgery to repair first surgery. Never been the same 😢. I understand your fear

  • @deborahfraser9325
    @deborahfraser9325 Рік тому +2

    I'm glad to hear you are doing better. I first heard of Rhabdo when watching Dan Becker's video. Very scary condition to get especially when out in the wild.

  • @Mtnsunshine
    @Mtnsunshine Рік тому +4

    I have never heard of Rhabdo, so this was very informative! Thank you, thank you so much!

    • @Feribrat99
      @Feribrat99 Рік тому +1

      Yeah I had not either until I decided to watch Dan Becker vids on his sos in the Grand Canyon after Dixie of Homemade Wanderlust had her incident hers was related to a med she was taking not Rhabdo and mentioned him and said he had made the right choice, so go watch his videos on it and you will see worse symptoms of the near death he suffered if not for friends getting his butt some help, he had no clue either.
      He is also recovered.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @MtnWanderer-TieDye-
    @MtnWanderer-TieDye- Рік тому +1

    Oh wow! That's scary but glad you got over it. I remember when Dan Becker had that and his got pretty serious. Scary stuff and glad you're sharing that with the hiking community.

  • @M_Hess
    @M_Hess Рік тому +2

    I never heard of Rhabdo. I am so glad it didn't turn more serious and you got a proper diagnosis. Happy to hear you are healthy now.

  • @strawbraryliberry4604
    @strawbraryliberry4604 5 місяців тому +1

    I can't believe I've never heard of this condition! Good to know in case someone I know has these symptoms! At least I'll be aware that it could be serious.

  • @kimlittleton4943
    @kimlittleton4943 11 місяців тому +1

    This was a fabulous video. I am a Med-Surg nurse. So I have taken care of rhabdo patients after they come from ICU. I did not know what led up to their medical event, typically, unless it was like an elderly patient who fell (which is what I most commonly seen). This was a great informative video !!!! Thank you so much.

  • @megeshom729
    @megeshom729 Рік тому +1

    Hi! I’d never heard of Rhabdo prior to reading the title of you video. So glad I watched it!
    In reflection, It would seem that hikers would have an increased risk of this potential problem due to significant levels of exertion over time, heat, dehydration, etc…
    Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s good to hear that you are well now.
    Subscribed.

  • @BIKESnSKILLETS
    @BIKESnSKILLETS 11 місяців тому

    There's another condition with extreme workout and I can't remember the name 😔

  • @KevinRStrauss
    @KevinRStrauss Рік тому +1

    Thank you for sharing this PSA and bringing awareness to such a potentially serious condition that most people might not be aware of or have it on their radar. Glad to hear you're feeling much better now! ☮❤🤝

  • @panhandlejake6200
    @panhandlejake6200 Рік тому +2

    THANK YOU! Glad you have made a full recovery. Like Dan's experience, this should be essential knowledge for anyone going out in the back country - or who is considering very strenuous activities. Even just once is too many times. I have completed Wilderness First Aid Training a few times and I don't recall this being part of the subject matter. I have certainly made note to watch for these symptoms and to take some preventative measures before and during my hikes.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому +1

      Good point. It wasn’t covered in my wilderness first aid training either!

  • @grbradsk
    @grbradsk Рік тому

    I've had extremely different experiences with high altitude sickness. In shape, but going up for a moderately high altitude hike Tahoe that I could barely move on. A year later, similar physical (decent) shape, I did the hike and had loads of energy the whole way. Sometimes sh*t happens.

  • @sulj3373
    @sulj3373 Рік тому +1

    I live with chronic embedded uti and never have fatigue or urine like that. Lab work is so important. Listen to your body.

  • @KarenSmith-lz3sx
    @KarenSmith-lz3sx Рік тому +2

    Wow! Thank you for sharing. ❤

  • @bumblebeeflyaway
    @bumblebeeflyaway Рік тому +2

    Thank you for this information!

  • @amandacamp5427
    @amandacamp5427 Рік тому +2

    I'm so glad you're doing better!! I really enjoy watching your videos and seeing all the amazing places you get to visit.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому

      Thanks, glad you like them. I hope you and the family are well!

  • @billheckman5937
    @billheckman5937 Рік тому +2

    Glad you are better. Thanks for sharing for making us aware.

  • @kristymoore7052
    @kristymoore7052 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for sharing. Something that I will keep in mind going forward for both myself and others.

  • @tiger2too18
    @tiger2too18 Рік тому +1

    Joey, a v helpful video to help others be aware of the symptoms and ways to avoid it. Drink more water, hike early and late and nap in the heat of the day.

  • @TheHikingChick1
    @TheHikingChick1 Рік тому +1

    Great information. Thank you for sharing this.

  • @meronmountains7052
    @meronmountains7052 Рік тому +1

    That’s scary! Thank you for sharing. Is there any information on how to prevent this from happening when on a long hot thru hike? (Other than trying to stay hydrated?)

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому +1

      It’s so rare that its hard to predict what might trigger it. My doctor advised hydrating as much as possible - starting days before hiking - electrolytes, and listening to your body, and being especially careful in high heat.

  • @outlaw565
    @outlaw565 Рік тому +2

    Thank you. What was your treatment?

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому +1

      Just time, rest and hydration.

    • @thisorthat7626
      @thisorthat7626 Рік тому

      @@JoyfulRambler So the treatment was to let your body heal itself. Glad that you paid attention to your body and sought medical treatment. It definitely sounds like it is related to low electrolytes but is beyond dehydration. We should all pay attention to how we feel. When things are off, we should see if rest helps us recover. Dark urine is definitely a time to get a medical check. Glad that you got help and have recovered. Blessings.

  • @OutHereMontana
    @OutHereMontana 7 місяців тому

    I'm one of your new subscribers/watchers and I had never heard of Rhabdo before seeing this video. Thanks so much for sharing such valuable information!

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  6 місяців тому +1

      Welcome! I'm glad it was helpful.

  • @BIKESnSKILLETS
    @BIKESnSKILLETS 11 місяців тому

    Never heard of this

  • @uffa00001
    @uffa00001 Рік тому

    Going back on the trail immediately after having had a health problem, whichever the problem, certainly was a foolish move, regardless of rhabdo or whatever else. If you get easily tired, it's because your body needs rest to heal itself. Listen to your body.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому +4

      Well, I was listening the the medical professionals who said I was fine to hike. But I did need some extra zeros and shorter days to fully recover. In hindsight, i was really lucky things didn’t get worse.

  • @28105wsking
    @28105wsking Рік тому +1

    So glad you are okay! UTI s on trail are a real problem. Be extra careful with hygiene and dehydration. I had to stop for three days in the little town south of Yosemite for urgent care and to rest. Very sick. Take care, All!

    • @thisorthat7626
      @thisorthat7626 Рік тому

      MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane) helps the immune system prevent UTIs. You can take it as a powder or use a cream. It is safe (our body makes it), it is inexpensive, and might be something people who get UTIs might want to use to keep them at bay. Cheers.

  • @buddharain6066
    @buddharain6066 Рік тому +2

    What’s the normal treatment for Rhabdo?

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому

      I’m not sure, I think it really depends on how severe each case is and how it presents for that person.

    • @buddharain6066
      @buddharain6066 Рік тому

      @@JoyfulRambler thanks, I live inNorthern Colorado, im an older female hiker and I’d love to meet and or hike. We have a small UA-cam channel, we hike all over Colo and completed the Camino in 2019. Let me know if and how to connect. 🙏

  • @Feribrat99
    @Feribrat99 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for letting us know and glad it was not deadly for you of course. It can happen so fast. Only took a 14 mile hike for Dan to succumb to it. Thank the gods he was not alone out there.

    • @JoyfulRambler
      @JoyfulRambler  Рік тому

      You’re very welcome. And yes, it can progress very quickly. Dan was fortunate he had friends around to help him.

    • @BIKESnSKILLETS
      @BIKESnSKILLETS 11 місяців тому

      Only 14 miles huh?.. I guess to hikers that nothing..I would die 😮

  • @thruthebiblewithmicey
    @thruthebiblewithmicey Рік тому +3

    Thanks for sharing. I know of several people this has happened to in the hiking community. The more folks who spread awareness the better! 👍🏼😃 Also, glad you’ve made a full recovery ❤️‍🩹.