How Derek Cianfrance Communicates Themes
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How Derek Cianfrance uses visual echoes to communicate the themes of The Place Beyond the Pines.
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This movie was horrifically underrated
It sure was
Im real fucking glad and I hope it stays that way. Its like our little secret gem for all those among us who knows about the movie heheh
So many shitty movies are popular and this one that is so good is almost unknown
Now it's popular and solely because incels have idolized Ryan Gosling. Big shame.
Was it? I remember seeing it just because of all the praise it was getting.
I almost never comment on video's, especially these types. But man, this was beautiful. This is one of my favorite films, and I love that you took the time to make this. Bravo.
It's also been one of my favorites as well and making this video only solidified that for me. I felt giddy making it just out of admiration for how deftly and subtly Cianfrance crafted it. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Miguel Angel Tamayo yea man, its such a great film
Just wanted to echo what the other person said. Thanks for this, and well done.
When this movie ended I just sat through the whole of the credits in complete silence. I just sat there and thought "that's... Probably one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life"
The comparison between the first and last scenes, literally made my jaw drop. Criminally underrated this movie.
I watched this movie on youtube at about one in the morning, never heard of it and I knew nothing about it but I knew Gosling and that was enough to get me to get me to check it out. Didn't sleep that night, never really planned to, but the next day there was this inescapable feeling hanging over me and this movie just wouldn't leave my head. Beautifully understated and unique and just all around gorgeous, and this video finally helped me figure out at least one of the components as to why it had such a profound impact on me
Watched it for first time this week 11/2020) and same. It stayed in my head especially the next day. It’s been several days & I can’t get it out of my head. Never looked up video essays of films until now.
Definitely 1 of the most underrated movies of this decade
"... to the place beyond the pines".
Cianfrance is one of the most underlooked & underrated director I've come across. I've loved his work ever since I first saw this film all those years back now. Blue Valentine is one of my all-time favourite films for example. Oh, and that score to Place Beyond The Pines is hauntingly beautiful too.
The director really got into my head and I couldn't ever understand why. Thanks for explaining, you genius!
I think Gosling can play a very good Kurt Cobain.
i'm definitely open to seeing that
Hell yeah
Absolutely.
I can see it.
I watched this while I was still pretty much in awe from the film and the ending of your video put me over the edge. Awesome work. I really enjoyed it and it made me respect the film even more.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed all of the parallels! Cianfrance did the same thing a bit more explicitly in Blue Valentine to great affect. Fantastic film, fantastic filmmaker.
My man, this video is great. “You’re calling him back!”
this movie touched me so much because of my passed away father, he was so passionate with motorcycle , and while i was growing up i started to fall in love with motocycles something that i never had feelings for some times you cant run away from what is in you, you will Always have something in common from your parentes no matter what it takes its in your blood
I relate to this post so much, my farther passed when I was young but he to loved motorcycles and sports, no matter how hard you try some things are simply in your blood to do, loving sports and motorcycles is one of those things I share with my farther and you with yours
Nice comment.
My father was an absolute garbage, he passed away so many years, i don't blame him, he was orphan from ww2 in France. I try my best not to follow his steps, but sometimes it's so hard, got some addcition, life can be so meaningless for me. I don't have children yet, so afraid to let this legacy on shoulders. but hope is the key, i find lights when i travel with my back pack and no plan ... maybe one day, everything is gonna be alright .
That was beatifull to read, hope you many good years as one rider to another.
I love that you're talking about a lesser known film and would love to see more of that. Classics are all well and good, but there are already so many essays about them. I think it's important to recognize contemporary artistry and innovation, so I appreciate this. Great job and keep up the good work.
Thanks! I have a special place in my heart for the lesser known films that come out each year, movies that aren't trying to be anything crazy, but accomplish what they're trying to do so well.
I cried so much through the last 50 minutes of this film. I’ve been wanting to watch it ever since I saw it come out but never got around to it. I’m glad I finally watched it. Amazing film and this video is amazing as well! Thank you!
I hope Derek Cianfrance watches this. Great video.
Jeez I got chills when you said.
“To the place beyond the pines”
Absolutely perfect video man! Just watched this movie last night and then watching this helped hammer home the feelings I had from the film. The first how do they connect the father and son "like this" is truly a perfect example.
Fantastic analysis, very entertaining. One other thing about this movie that struck me as very profound was the symbolism of the chain smoking. Avery kills Luke, but the ghost of him lives on in his son AJ who is seen smoking in several points in the film, and there was even dialogue and scenes specific there to let you know he smoked cigarettes. namely the scene where they smoked pot in the storm sewer, and when AJ sees Jason get dropped at school off by his mom and dad.
I know Jason, too, did smoke cigarettes but it was much more pronounced in AJ.
I know it seems like I'm reaching, but that is how I interpreted it. I feel like this could also be seen as a sort of echo. The man he killed is echoed in his own son.
Really good job man, i watched the film at least 5 times, and only just now i noticed they were eating ice cream at the same spot, i also loved the way you adressed the opening and last scene.
me and my ex watched this back in 2014. and we were in tears and tears..something about this movie that is simply haunting
My natural temperament has a weird sense of saudade. This is maybe why I like this movie. The way the movie’s designed, you feel through and know this is all it is and then it’s gone, on ways that’ll never meet. And the presence of this man’s character takes an irreplaceable value in your life’s timeline and it stays (Nobody, nobody replaces it, it remains perfectly intact as it is in your head, timeless!). You know and feel this from where it started to the end. And that just creates this aura/value/ image of this person that becomes so elevated from others. The alpha like presence people preach about, is actually how people felt about Luke’s character, this is what that saudade stricken irreplaceable valuable presence is with him ( which some confuse with superficial infatuation).
See how extra I acted up there, this is how stemmed the value becomes over time. AND IT REMAINS UNTOUCHED UNTIL DEATH. Even when the admirer realizes the logic behind it. IT’S THAT ODDLY SPECIAL.
And now I shut up
This is and always will be my favorite movie but what you did there at the end man i never caught that one holy shit that was beautiful
Great analysis. I was very touched by the film, these echo effects show generational relationships, passing on of the same spirit, which is human life. Beautiful story.
The message i took from it is that all the shit that happened was no ones fault.
Luke only robbed banks to provide for his son
Avery only shot luke because luke had a gun himself
Lukes son only becomes bad because he has no dad
Avery son only becomes bad because his dad was never around either
Avery was never around for his son because he felt guilty about shooting luke
All this happens at the pines. The end of the film is not just him leaving the pines physically but also metaphorically because the pines represent all the dark and suffering.
Deep
Luke certainly had a choice. He had a choice not to assault her ex-lovers boyfriend. He had a choice in respecting the wishes of others and staying away. Not to suggest those choices were easy.
This film is aptly rated. It is not underrated. It is an ‘okay’ drama with some interesting elements. But at the end of the day, this film wasn’t thought-provoking because it didn’t invoke anything about co-parenting and fatherlessness that most people don’t already know. It certainly didn’t help that Luke, an actual degenerate, is framed with an incredibly disproportionate amount of sentimental value.
Saying no one had a choice in this film is fantasy. Each character had a choice. This a story of flawed people. But they had agency.
Honestly I see Romina as the true antagonist who caused all the events to unfold because of her complete selfishness and lack of concern for Luke and the relationship between her son and his father.
Dude you're filling "Every Frame A Painting" shaped hole in my life. Your work is awesome.
I think some of the best films are not necessarily the perfect ones but the ones which touch on a beauty and are original. The place beyond the pines is flawed but painfully beautiful.
I love these types of thoughts into films. Subliminal messaging in film is so powerful. Great vid, subscribes. PS Sicario has beautifully crafted mise en scène.
Wow, your deconstruction was beautiful and extremely well put together. I love this film and you've truly hammered home what Derek Cianfrance was expressing, thank you
One of the most beautiful films I've ever seen. All kinds of emotions. Epic👍🏿
This was a really touching video. Brought up those same cathartic emotions i felt while watching the film last night. I love your videos like this, like the one on persona! Very nice:)
This movie is outstandingly beautiful. Your insight is on point. Loved the video. ❤
Some fun facts about this movie:
The Place Beyond the pines literally means Schenectady. Which is where the movie takes place and was filmed in Schenectady NY.
I live about 20 minutes away from Schenectady NY. A lot of times this movie feels like art imitating real life and vice versa. After watching the movie, I feel like it's still going. Sure under different circumstances and no lines but you get the idea. I feel as if my life is very similar to this movie sometimes.
Thank you for this brilliant insight into this film. I needed this. Because I saw it while watching the movie... but not completely clearly, and now, I do.
I like the way you talk about the movie. Is amazing.
Okay. You like Derek Cianfrance? You're my new favorite video essay guy and I also just subbed to your podcast.
Thanks! Cianfrance is definitely one of my top directors.
I randomly downloaded this movie and had an unexplainable effect on me for 2 days. Truly a subtle masterpiece.
this was one of the best breakdowns to a film ive ever seen! wonderfully done!
wow this made me appreciate the movie 100x more. ending made me tear up
How can i cry from just someone talking about a movie i havent even watched
Thanks Thomas for this, I really enjoyed your thoughts and ideas in this video essay. Loved Place Beyond the Pines and this shed some new interesting light into my perception of the film.
Thank you!
found your channel from your most recent video on david lynch and twin peaks, its crazy how nearly everything you've based video essays on is stuff i love. i haven't yet watched all of your uploads, but this is definitely your best out of the ones i've seen. you've made me appreciate this film ten times more now.
The movie was amazing. The entire story line... and now hearing you sum up its meaning gave it a brighter light as to what i was understanding and feeling. Beautifully done. Beautiful Art.
Great Analysis Thomas, i almost cried at the end.
One of my favourite films, and you've helped me understand it further. Thank you. You have a great narrative voice. Keep going.
This was incredible. My favorite film that inspired me to go out and make movies. Thank you for reminding me just how incredible this film is, and opening my eyes even more to beauty of it.
Great video! thank you for this.
You're welcome :)
Man that ending. Fantastic.
When I watched this movie originally, I thought it was okay, but didn't really understand it. I thought it was going to be like "Drive" on motorcycles, which it wasn't at all. But this video gives me a whole new perspective and now I want to go back and watch it over again. Great job, man. Keep it going.
Thanks! I'm glad I helped you gain new perspective, that's my whole goal with my videos. Definitely watch it again, it gets better on repeat viewings I think.
This video made me appreciate the film a lot more. I knew there was more to it than I could understand after my first viewing, thanks!
Awesome video dude, I remember watching this movie earlier this year and instantly thinking it was amazing and totally underrated
Beautiful man.
Thanks :)
Beautiful analysis and review man, love it!
This movie was a joy to watch as a motorcycle rider, beautifull homage to riding 🙏
Dude what. How have I been sleeping on your channel for so long? Good shit
Favorite movie of all time and I've seen hundreds.
Never noticed the dual beginning/ending similarities along with the cage metaphor. One of my favorite films and an underrated masterpiece. This video solidifies that fact. Thank you sir I will have another and another and another.
Love your videos. This one made me appreciate this film much more
1:20-1:30 was such a hard hitting experience for me, very prompt attempt at simplifying how we are the product of our parents. Beautiful movie, man. Thanks for passing your knowledge on cinemas. Kudos!!
Great video, I love this movie and your vid really makes me want to rewatch it! The music and visual language in this movie stir so many feelings, and you've really captured that in your essay!
Just watched it. Already one of my favs.
Excellent analysis! Now I want to see the film.
Love your essays Thomas. I like how you are able to work out specific aspects of films.
Thank you so much for that video. I had noticed a lot of these comparisons but this videos shows a deeper connection between Luke and Jason. This is even more painful. That movie is a masterpiece.
This is amazing! Makes me want to watch the movie again.
I'm glad to see someone make a video about this great film. Derek Cianfrance was actually one of my uncle's film students his name was Phil Solomon if you Google him he comes right up, he was an art film maker himself and very well known in those circles, he passed away last year. Trey Parker and Matt Stone were also his students at University if Colorado. It was at his memorial I got to meet Derek he is a down to earth nice person. last night theres a HBO miniseries that started made by Cianfrance called I Know This Much is True starring Mark Ruffalo and my mom my uncle's sister got to be an extra in and got to hang out with Mark for a day and she said hes one of the nicest people she ever met. After Derek told him about my uncle's passing this big movie star walked over to my mom a complete stranger and hugged her and told her he was sorry for her loss. I'm not sure what episode it is but it's when one if Mark's characters he plays twins is in a theater seeing the play Charlotte's Web and she is sitting next to him. Anyway I got off subject I love this movie and anyone reading this check out that miniseries it's no doubt going to win awards.
Best analysis of the film I've seen. Definitely subscribed.
Very well observed brother . Great work . Keep it up. God bless you😍
This film is one of the most powerful dramas I've seen in years. Really well done.
Well done! Thank you.
Hey Thomas , I have a much greater appreciation for this movie after watching your video. I felt kind of left out, not being able to understand y people liked this movie so much. I watched the movie again after watching your video and it had a much more deeper impact on me. Thanks a lot. Subscribed.
Beautifully written analysis. Thank you for this.
Your voice is so soothing. It goes with the extraordinary music ❤️❤️
This movie was brilliant from beginning to end and this analysis was great
Bruh that conclusion was gas, you musta gotten straight As in English classes lol
Interesting analysis , good use of juxtaposition and good job pointing out the parallels man
Thank you :)
this is great, well done
Awesome video! One of my all time favorite films.
Everybody always says Jason breaks the cycle and is free. He ran from his issues and broke his parents hearts
I saw this film earlier this week, and can't stop thinking about it. It is indeed underrated, and although the storyline is a biit cheesy/forced at times, it affected me powerfully. I had noticed some of these echoes myself throughout the film, but you pointed out some others, which I found interesting. Thanks for taking the time to make a video about this fine film.
Subbed! :P
Great video on the movie which I can’t stop thinking about.
In Croatia, the title they chose translates to “Sins of the Father” which I also find very fitting.
I watched this one when it was new back in 2013, at 14 years old. Thought it was better than people were giving it credit for back then. I was in my favorite retro video game store / movie spot yesterday, saw it on the shelf, instantly remembered this gem and knew I had to buy and watch it as an adult 💯
Haven't seen this movie since it released but it was fantastic. Your content makes me want to watch it again. Also I highly recommend the Broken Circle Breakdown(2012) if you haven't seen it yet. Another emotional rollercoaster of a film
Ooh, I've heard of that one but I've never watched it. I'll check it out!
One of the best movies ever..
This is one of the best movies, and a fantastic analysis.
appreciate/thanks! keep up your work like this (or better of course)
this type of visual echoes (or mirroring perhaps) also makes that feeling that everything (or at least a large part of scenes) looks somehow familiar. and so this effect appears in a way that the viewer might assume that the story (plot) is "sort of" predictable; meanwhile it's not so predictable. these two aspects work in a parallel, but no too (overly) coherent. basically I mean this in a positive way (of course) and in short it adds somewhat "mindfuck" aspect (although not as usually this term is used, but in general this method works like a "cognitive shaking" or [not malicious] "misleading").
Really apprexiate the video. Such an a brilliant film
to me, 'the place beyond the pines' was the forest area Avery was taken to, twice. just my interpretation. I was gonna do a analysis on this same topic; the plot/imaginary symmetry/parallels of the film. but, you beat me to it! great video!
Great analysis, I can't believe I didn't notice so many details.
I loved this video. I totally appreciate this movie so much more. Thank you
Haven't even seen this movie yet, but after watching multible video essays about it i believe its already my favorite movie.
Mr. Flight, well done. You've mined some gems from this beautiful film.
Great stuff. Just watched this the other day and have been looking for content on it.
The ending gave me goosebumps man. Great fucking job
Thank you very much for that video! I love that film! Greetings from Brazil!
Wonderful explanation
Man you nailed it ❤️.... I was constantly thinking about analysing the catharsis it had on me
Thank you so much for the effort
Brilliant. This is an amazing analysis of a fantastic movie. Well done.