How Much Zoom Do You Need for Long-Range Rifles?
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- Опубліковано 12 лют 2018
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Have you ever wondered what it’s like to look at a target at 1,000 Yards? It seems so small and far away how could anyone even see it? Well luckily we have some excellent optics available these days but the question is, How much Zoom will I need? It is a great question and I get asked all the time how much I use when going beyond 1,000 Yards and the truth is I really don’t need that much. One thing to keep in mind is zooming in does not make the picture clearer, you can just see the objects easier. I set some targets at 500 Yards and demonstrate different levels of zoom at that distance with the vortex Viper PST 6-24 then we back out to 1,000 Yards to take a look at some really far, small targets. The equivalent of a 1.4” circle at 100 Yards the 14” plates at 1,000 seem impossible to see let alone hit the target! But the biggest reason I run high magnification scopes is to better spot dust trace from bullet impacts that far out. Any questions feel free to ask!
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Could you do some shooting. Get an average percentage of hits at 9x vs 15x vs 20x or something? Thanks for the video!
This was a great video. I wish I had seen this a long time ago. Really made me understand magnification better.
Aaaaaah, you read my mind! Thx, appreciate the work you put in
Bud, video's like this is pure education (so firstly thank you), it would be awesome to have it sans the music. Thank you for posting again.
I’m glad YOU could see the targets, most of the time, I could not.
I learned. The magnification help to see the small print. I used to shoot with a nightforce 5-20x56.
I swap it for a nightforce 3-10x42.
Best 'down-scale' scope I never thought I'll say. Quality of the lens helps. If I knew what I know now. I'll pick a fixed scope anytime. Nightforce don't do fixed as far as I know. Pick what's comfortable. You're buying it😁
Believe me, your audio isn’t terrible from the wind as you claim, it’s the music that drowns you out at about 5:30
Believe me I had the raw footage there was no audio left. Just turn it up and enjoy it
Hank he voiced over the original footage, just played visual without the original audio.
Your video helped me decide on going with the 3-9x42 I was looking at.
Keep doing what you're doing.
Agree totally
@@WestDesertShooter adding more background noise isn’t going to fix that 😂, but thanks for the video
Absolutly awesome video! Thank you for taking the time to show what the ranges look like through different magnification.
So offten people argue you need 24x plus to reach out there, when in actuality you can make it happen with a 10x.
I only have the chance to shoot past 400yd a few times a year and don't have the time to video it.
A scope doesn’t help you shoot better, it helps you see better. Amazing video. I’m a fan of high magnification. I can’t see shit unless I have it.
Absolutely right man! And I like magnification too that’s why I chose fixed 20x scopes
Yea as you get older you need a scope.
Jim Pepper yup, you cant hit what you cant see
Jim Pepper these are profound and true words.
Back when i was young i had great eye sight and shot deer long range open sights. Now days i can hardly see side of barn so high powered scopes is a must.
For six years in the Marine Corps I qualified with my M14 and 16 at 200, 300 and 500 meters with aperture sights and 50 years younger eyes. :)
How big were the targets
Brendan Marriott All I can remember is the “Baker” target was a 10” circle for the 500 m prone. The “Dog” target simulated the profile of a man in the prone position at the 300 m sitting and kneeling. I can’t recall the size of the target for the 200 m offhand. Seems like it was similar in size to the Baker target. We used a 6 o’clock hold in those days. Later it was changed to a center mass hold.
@@kennethbailey2616 That's the way to train.....With open sights FIRST...before relying on a scope.
100 yds with open sights is same as 1000 yds with a 10x scope.
Most think they don't need much more than 10x but yet can't group for shit at 100 yds with open sights. Lol
Wow ! Great video, I've been looking for a video that would make this distinction and show it in real time what it looks like as a shooter. Thanks so much.
Very helpful video. Building my first custom rifle and have finally arrived at my final component which is an optic. Was torn between a Leupold vx5 3-15 and a vx6 2-12. I like the field of view the vx6 offers at 2X and after watching this video i think 12X magnification will be enough.
Well done very informative I like the way that you were able to show through the scope what you were talking about
Thanks so much Tim, yeah like I said that mount is pretty much the reason I was able to make the video at all. Otherwise it’s just opinion and speculation. Here people can decide for themselves what Zoom looks like enough at each range
Great video, man! Looking at getting into long range shooting myself and I was discouraged by the price tags of the high-magnification good-quality optics. I settled on a Vortex 6-18 Crossfire II and this video made me feel much better about being able to reach out to 1,000 yards. Thanks for taking the time to make and put this out!
As far as you being able to see, absolutely that scope will do it. And I know what you mean about the crazy prices! Dude a great option is SWFA fixed power scopes. They are all 300$ but they have a 30 mm tube and there turrets have lots of adjustment to get you to 1,000 Yards. Depending on your cartridge choice it may be difficult for you to adjust the scope and do hold overs. By all means try! But down the road an SWFA scope really is a bargain for the beginning long range shooter
I really appreciate your time and effort on this video! This video help explain much confusing with optics.
Thanks,
John
Targets? There were targets?
I used a cheap 3-9x42 scope on my hunting rifle. I was running into problems at 400 meters... Turns out the glass didn't let enough light through the scope. I bought a Swarovski X5I 5-25x56 and I am absolutely in love with it, mounted it on my Accuracy International.
a $3000 scope better be worth it
@@MatthewSmith-uf6tr It certainly is
Im very much a beginner, ive only had my long range platform a couple of weeks,prior to this the furthest i had shot was 200m. I m running a Burris xtr2 8-40 ffp with f class moa reticle. I was close to buying a lower powered optic, but at least one of my friends was pushing me for higher mag and im glad i did! Now ive not had the opportunity to stretch this rifle legs past 500m yet (range limit) but up to that even i find it far easier to shoot anything past 100m wit higher mag, im not just talking about scoring hits on steel, because thats very achievable, see guys doing it all the time with milsurps with irons, im talking consistent groups on paper.I really find it far easier to get more consistent point of aim with higher mag, even if we are talking shooting at 100m with a 22lr! I consistently shoot tighter groups at 100m with rifles with decent magnification , say 12-14 than other with 8 or less. Ive got 3 scoped .22lr's to choose from in my safe right now, all sub moa and all have good quality glass, but different power levels. Fixed 4,fixed 8 and 4-12 are the options and when we talking about getting as close to the potential of the rifles, the higer mag sure helps me to get there.
This is just my experience, im no spring chicken and for sure my eyes arent what they used to be (when i was 20 I could hit birds in the head @20m with irons on an old springer .177!) and i would have found it easier when i was younger for sure!
This is EXACTLY the video I was looking for. Great work!
A good rule of thumb if you purchase a fixed power scope make it a fixed 10x, but at most 12x. Any stronger than that it will pick up to much mirage if the outside temp is high. For a variable power scope buy 1 power for every 100 yards you mite shoot. For instance. If you mite shoot 1500yrds get a max 15 power scope. I have a 3-18x50 Vortex Razor myself. I have shot over a mile with it. 1 mile = 1760yrds so there for 18 power scope. My target was 12”x12” steel plate. Very easy to see. Hope this helps.
That's a good rule of thumb I never knew that and wish I did but now I will remember that thanks. And this was a great video one problem is the crass hair are to big and cover up the target.
I respectfully disagree. For shooting pd's or smaller game at 500 yards and over I use 20x power scope and sometimes it feels like I could use more. I say use what YOUR eyes say you need. I'd rather have a 20x variable and turn it down then 15x power and not able to turn it up.
Thanks I just got your response for that question answered all my questions with that vid
Awesome video man. I'm getting into more long range stuff and this clears up my decisions some
Thank you, Exactly what i was looking for. Thanks for your time for doing this
Enjoyed the video! Thanks a lot for clearing up some things, that I didn't know. Thank you for sharing! :)
Thank you, great video and information.
Very helpful video, thanks for putting this up!
Any time I am shopping scopes I find myself coming back to this video. Great content and I love seeing it come from another Utah shooter.
Two things: Good on you for using a SWFA scope... Those scopes are the best thing going right now in my book, built like tanks with amazing glass. The second thing you pointed out (although not detailed as to why) is how lower magnification can be clearer. You need GOOD glass and coatings to see that far at any magnification, but anything above 10x usually produces a darker our clouded image with cheap glass. With nice glass, the image can hold up to 14-18x depending on the quality and tube diameter. Cheers, keep shooting.
Thanks for the video been looking for something like this
This was VERY helpful. Thank you for the effort.
Thank you for the comparison, you saved me a ton of time figuring out what scope to buy!
I'm 65 and a hunter/shooter all my life. Mostly shoot for fun now and still learn something new now and then. Yours was one of the best/clearest reviews of scope magnification and application I've seen and I love to watch vids on guns and scopes.
Just ordered the Henry 223/556 NATO long ranger lever action. Putting a Arken 4-16x50 ffp moa vpr zero stop illuminated reticle (3mm tube) on top. Check out the Arken scopes. Put one on my Ruger Precision 6.5 creedmoor in the 6-24x50 version and love it.
I grew up on lever guns so I have a few. I reload so it will be fun developing a load for the Henry. I plan on zeroing with gold dot match ammo (stuff is outstanding).
Anyway. Great job on your video. I subbed and will be looing at your older stuff. Hope you're still making vids. Well done
must be nice to have access to shoot those distances.
Good informative video,When customers bring up the subject of scope magnification I tell them If your looking at a target at 100yds with a 4x scope the target appears like it would at 25 yds with the naked eye.
ThenI ask them what power scope they think was used on the 1903A4,M1C,M1D used in WW2 & Korea .When I tell them that the M81 & M82 was only 2.5 power & the M84 was 2.2 they go WOW
Yes and those Snipers engaged & hit targets up to 1000yds.
Carlos Hathcock favored the 8 power Unertl scope,Chuck Mawhinney used a Redfield 3x9 Accurange scope But he kept it on 9x so the POI wouldn’t change.
A good quality fixed power scope is actually better than a adjustable power scope
As with a low quality adjustable scope POI can change going from low to higher powers.
I think the advantage of a higher power scope is to use it as a dual purpose. You can crank it up to see more detail if needed or as a spotting scope. And adjust down for a steadier reticle and shot. But if needed you have the extra zoom. But it isn’t a must. A good 4-14 will get most people where they need to be. Great video.
Well said I have to agree with you there
Great video Spud I appreciate the information but please turn the music off,😧
Thanks for posting this. Very helpful.
Thank you. That was really cool and helpful. Helped me narrow down my next scope. I would like to see some hunting scopes in low light.
Excellent video, thank you for sharing!
Great video, it'll help a lot. Just bought another AR so I'll need another scope, I may have to do some shifting but at least now I know what I need at the higher end.
Informative, well done. Thanks!
Great vid. Here in Iron County Utah I've had great success with the fixed SWFA SS 10X 700LR .30-06 (175g SMK) and a SWFA SS 12X 77V .280Rem (168g SMK). Both shoot 1km fine, and really shine at 600m. With higher magnification mirage kills you in summer. MOA same preference over MRAD.
If you get a few feet off the ground it really helps with mirage! Is it a factory 280 rem? These scopes are awesome
Thanks for doing this. Helped me a lot
this is the best video on scopes I've ever seen well-done brother .God bless
Thanks. Very concise and helpful. Thinking of getting into abit longer range shooting.
This was very helpful. Thank you so very much.
Update, I bought an eotech vudu 3.5 x 18 and its awesome.Put it on a spuhr mount and it's my new sweetheart. I can see hits on shoot and c at 200 plus yards. We have a short range so maybe further. I almost got the 10 power till I saw your vid so thumbs up.
Good, educational video. Thanks man.
I'm a big fan of 3-15 or 4-14 out to 1000 yds. This gives good field of view for when you miss and is not as shakey compared to higher power. The only time my scopes see max power is during sighting in anyway.
Nice video man very informative. Definitely going to check out that u mount!
Please do! Ryan with Nexus is a great guy to talk to and will help answer any questions you might have. Myself included, any oddball questions Bring em on!
Excellent Video!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
It's all about clarity, durability and repeatability. In central Oregon we shoot past 2000 yards and I have a 3x15 nightforce
Great video. I’m sure this will help a lot of people.
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge
You do great interesting work. I have found your videos to be exactly what I find, as a moderately experienced shooter, instructive and entertaining. Thank you very much.
Thanks for the great compliment man. Really all I’m trying to do!
Helped a lot thanks. Great vid, didn't need the music in the background...you had me at ffp! :)
Awesome!
Great video...
Very informative
Great video! Was looking into getting a swfa 16x42 or vortex hst. I think I will go with the swfa 16x42
Excellent video, enjoyed it a lot.
Awesome video! Thanks for the info....where I live being able to shoot farther then 300yrds is pretty difficult, and this at least gives me a general idea of a sight picture for a wide range of magnification levels.....keep up the good work
Thanks man glad you liked it!
Helpful for my needs. Definitely reconsidering some of my magnification options for my ar
Spot on again with everything man , I shoot extended ranges w SS 10x . Got a SS 6x on a AR . Love the scopes . Tracking is excellent.Great stuff man . Keep putting out the vids dude .
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching
Who needs magnification I just jump on my bike ride up to my target and shoot it point blank, J/K lots of great information and easy to understand thank you for taking the time to explain it to us newbies.
Haha I hope you have some TKC80s on your bike to get to these targets! No problem man thanks for watching
Interesting video. Thank you.
Best wishes from the UK.
Thanks for sharing!!! I'm new in this and it was so helpful!!!
Be sure to watch my better version of this video comparing zoom at 1 mile and 1000 Yards. It’s much better
Thanks for the video man👍🏻
Thank you! I believe the shaking is always there, the higher magnification just shows what is always there, correct?
Really really well done 👍
Can you use a magnifying glass on your eye to get even more zoom on existing scope?
Great video thanks
Wild... thanks for the video..
Good video, information is right on que. Thanks
I really didn't understand how little zoom you needed until I took my 6-24X50 out to the range for the first time and could see my hits at 500 yards perfectly fine. Anybody that watched that video and was underwhelmed by the lower magnification, seeing it on video is only about 1/3 as zoomed as it is in real life since the lens takes up way more of your vision than your computer or phone screen does.
Thank you for this video. I hesitate betweem the vortex viper ou diamondback, so this gives me informations on clarity of the viper at 1000yards.
Thanks Good info. Looking for a new scope for my .308 build. This really helped...
Perfect ! Thank you kindly
Very informative. Good video.
Thanks; simple and informative.
Is that U mount not available anymore? Been trying to find one, but can't seem to find their site, or way to purchase it. Great video by the way. Wish I had that kind of area to practice at.
I like the high power Scopes, I say if you cannot see what you want to hit then why pull the trigger. JMO. I am not saying lower power scopes are bad I just like to see as much through the scope as I can. Man I love you .243 performance. You got me hooked
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
That was a good Video
Thank you!!
The frontal crosshair info is very useful, cheers
Great vid/public service you did there, thanks man
Excellent video. Thank you.
Really cool video. Haven’t seen anything like this before.
Thanks for doing this video!
Evening buddy from England 😁. I'm not a sub. But thanks for sharing an ya time. Always interesting videos. One day I'll a long range scope, one day lol. Anyway happy xmass an happy new year to you and your family. Andy
Thank you I think this video could help a lot of guys that want to get into PRS or at least would like to know what I see when I look down my rifle scopes.
Absolutely, thanks man
Nice and to the point. Good vid.
im a new uk shooter .... have to say your vid clarified many aspects, many thanks
I have a 4.5-18x FFP scope on an SR25 that I shoot out to 1000 yards. I usually am always on or around 18x, Unless I’m shooting under 500 yards.
I love the 500-600 yard range at 14x, seeing the bullet vapor trail, and clearly seeing hits
That’s pretty much what I do, I crank up the magnification if I have it. But I usually don’t buy scopes with more than 20x
Nice video man thank you I am your big fan
Logan. I shoot 1000-1250 with a Leupold VX3 3.3x10
when shooting out to 1760+ I set the Vortex PST to 24x
People get hung up on more magnification. Quality glass trumps all.
3.5x10
Yes sir I agree with you! I think many people have this idea that they need a telescope to even see the target but truthfully a 10x will get just about any distance done. The reason I like zoom is for spotting dust trace from a light slow moving bullet at 5,000 feet away.
I agree Logan. I have the benefit of my brother spotting for me with a Leupold Mark IV spotting scope. I know you go shooting alone a lot of the time. Big difference.
You are correct, glass quality is far more important, unfortunately the PST has horrible glass.
Horrible? Really? That's a bit of an exaggeration. I got 2; 1FP and 2FP both are fine tested to over 1400 yards. They track great and clarity for price point, is superb in my opinion. Sure its no Swarovski, Hensoldt or Schmidt and Bender, but dude for most glass under 1K to get to 1,000 or to a mile? their value can't be beat.
Very helpful, thanks!
I have a t-36 weaver fixed 36 power on my cz 455 .22lr, I use it mostly between 200-300 yards
Gotta be able to see it to shoot it. I've got near perfect vision but I shoot a 4-16 power scope on my guns and have it at 16 for anything 100 yards and above. It's just what I'm comfortable with.
I won't not grant pepper behind pepper
Glade I could help. My rule of thumb has saved me plenty of times and specially a ton of money.
Very helpful !
Love the video and just asking a dumb question, did you really need to add a music back track? Distracted from the message.
That was really helpful, thank you!
Hey Brother I’m glad it helped! I’m more than happy to share, hopefully it will help get more people out there and trying!
Question? should you shot on the same power for sighting in and hunting? will changing powers in the field changer accuracy ?