Different cirscutances for sure. The second game was a soloQ game where iax's jungler is pathing top, which means there is no reason not to trade agressively (you can see he didnt even ward bc he wasnt scared of getting ganked). Its also a kha and not a trundle, meaning less kill pressure on a very early gank, since trundle is much better at running you down. The Breathe game was a professional game where EDG where playing with their sub jungler, JunJia, and when they do that they always gank top. Every time. So he knows a gank is coming, meaning he has to be a bit more carefull with trading to low, or he could just and get the wave frozen on him. On top of that, Breathe ran tp instead of ignite, meaning less killing pressure
it doesnt matter. He got ganked anyway, needed to burn flash, he fucked his wave. If you playing weakside you sacrifice minions for safety and not using E on minions too much... Flandre baited him twice to use E on minions, which is so obvious bait.
@@m3zuss and how did that "obvious" bait go? Wei was pathing top bc he knew that was coming. Just bc your opponent wants you to do something doesnt mean you need to be scared of doing it if you know you can get away with it. Sure, he burned flash, but he bought time for Wei to come and help him with the wave. And then he got the wave pushing back into him, which means he is preety safe since he is playing jax into 2 melle champs that relly on autos. Weakside doesnt have to mean giving everything up to stay safe. He knew he had a few Windows where Wei was top and he made use of them to get himself in a good position for when he wasnt. And RNG did a really good job at tracking JunJia for the entire game so that was made much easier
i don't take league as seriously as i used to and it's a shame, i love your content and how you make these concepts accessible for a lot of people. lots of small things people still don't do even at higher elos (like killing minions with the first ability of the trade to surprise opponent etc)
You missed out on a key mechanic they’re using where they make sure their E stuns the wave to reset agro so when the trade ends they aren’t taking minion damage on the way out.
he actually said that he wanted Ren to attack him so the blue minion Aggro Ren then the cannon would make it to the turret ,obviously the Cannon didn't make it , then he said 'unlucky , and said it was a bad trade.
These videos are awesome. The text to explain decisions and mechanic knowledge makes me understand just how much of this game i didn't even realize I'm missing.
I swear I have learned a lot of things from your videos... Keep up that. And also, pls more adc videos, western adcs especially. Like rekkles and upset. Thank you!
I want to make a transition to mid lane from ADC but I usually get out traded or showed under tower all the time. Is there an tips on how to win lane and roam well. I prefer playing roaming champs like TF, Galio or Ryze. This video had really great insight on playing as Jax, thank you for that.
it's difficult to say who played it better considering on one clip the enemy ganked while on the other the ally did but XNB did a better job at crashing the wave into the tower(the ward that Breathe putted may have messed up his momentum there)
Great comparison! Even moreso than the jax trick, maybe it should've been part of the tumbnail. But yeah, gotta clickbait to appease the almighty algorithm :D
2000LP player played way better, as a renekton main who has played this matchup many times in high elo jax is trolling if he does not zone renek from XP at level 1, since jax wins hard with E and renekton has no way to counterplay. jax also should never start doran's shield when you can just go corrupting pot, especially vs renek. After securing an XP lead, it's extremely easy to just slow push and zone renekton with Q. Very jax favored matchup since he outscales as well.
Jax main here, Corrupting pot is weak not only do u miss out on free stats health and the dshield sustain passive is 10x better than corrupt pot only reason jax players used to get it was mana issues which buiscut solves. Dorans blade is not optimal vs renek as you can never all in a good renek instead he will constantly poke and disengage so dshield counters it basically same reason he went grasp instead of lethal. Zoning from xp is unnessesary as it means tha jax himself would lose the gold from last hits while hes busy chasing renek and many times the renek if hes good can get the xp anyways at the price of some hp. But it is definitely done a lot by tf blade and r1 chinese jax tho ive seen lots of jax players try to immitate them and fail miserably taking too much damage level 1 and denying nothing
@@chadliabdelkrim5356 it's always optimal to zone XP in toplane even if you miss gold, since the opponent misses both the gold and XP. Renek loses half his HP to jax autoattacks if he tries to get in XP range with Q or W start. TF Blade does indeed zone XP in this matchup because it's the best way to secure a lead. Renekton cannot win any trades against jax without fury (Jax just needs to land W or E). With an XP lead, renekton can never walk up to the minions to build fury without being jumped on by jax. Renekton cannot call for jungle help since he will not have enough XP for level 2 or 3 while jax is slow pushing, making the early lane unplayable for Renekton. Doran's shield is not needed in the matchup because usually renekton is too weak to trade without fury.
@@lRoguebunny if a jax disrespects you by going dblade you win as long as you're the better player. Get dshield and trade autos dont be afraid of losing trades so long as you dont get all ined or allow a cheat recall you win through regen chances are he took ignite since tp is trash now hes stuck in lane with no hp gankable and you widdle him down and force a bad recall or kill him if he ego stays. Like I said tho you have to be the better player toplane is all about tethering wave management and mechanics and since your playing a bruiser confidence is everything.
Hey friend, i love your videos, but please do not overlap music from gameplay replay and your music on top. You can mute gameplay music, or make it quiter when your music is on. Anyway I loved that video!
I remember an old (I think its 3 yrs?) Pianta clip where he pulls this off by accident with Tryndamere (both low and he almost dies) and I genuinely thought it was a luck thing but ig there r challengers using it all the time
the renekton jax trick is so coinflip cus if you fuck it up, you are done and it is not all that easy to time it since jax can cast second E when he wants.
This would be useful but then I remember nobody in my shit server plays top and actually picks a bruiser. They will play LITERALLY ANYTHING but a bruiser, even going so far as to go toplane Jhin.
If there was extended trades it might even be better, but against a renecton the trades are fast and you can't stack it if the Rene plays it correctly which is assumed in high elo
Legends say jax never got his recall off.
haha :)
@@TodayOnTheSuperServer never stop making videos even tho ur underrated
Jax wants Ornn's passive BADLY
Different cirscutances for sure. The second game was a soloQ game where iax's jungler is pathing top, which means there is no reason not to trade agressively (you can see he didnt even ward bc he wasnt scared of getting ganked). Its also a kha and not a trundle, meaning less kill pressure on a very early gank, since trundle is much better at running you down. The Breathe game was a professional game where EDG where playing with their sub jungler, JunJia, and when they do that they always gank top. Every time. So he knows a gank is coming, meaning he has to be a bit more carefull with trading to low, or he could just and get the wave frozen on him. On top of that, Breathe ran tp instead of ignite, meaning less killing pressure
Almost like showing both sides of the coin was intentional
it doesnt matter. He got ganked anyway, needed to burn flash, he fucked his wave. If you playing weakside you sacrifice minions for safety and not using E on minions too much... Flandre baited him twice to use E on minions, which is so obvious bait.
@@m3zuss and how did that "obvious" bait go? Wei was pathing top bc he knew that was coming. Just bc your opponent wants you to do something doesnt mean you need to be scared of doing it if you know you can get away with it. Sure, he burned flash, but he bought time for Wei to come and help him with the wave. And then he got the wave pushing back into him, which means he is preety safe since he is playing jax into 2 melle champs that relly on autos. Weakside doesnt have to mean giving everything up to stay safe. He knew he had a few Windows where Wei was top and he made use of them to get himself in a good position for when he wasnt. And RNG did a really good job at tracking JunJia for the entire game so that was made much easier
@@alex2005z Ofc, it was 100% trundle missplay there. He has chosen greedy pathing for no reason giving kill and burning flash.
i don't take league as seriously as i used to and it's a shame, i love your content and how you make these concepts accessible for a lot of people. lots of small things people still don't do even at higher elos (like killing minions with the first ability of the trade to surprise opponent etc)
Great video, it is super helpful that you compare the different players with the same matchup, very insightful
I feel ashamed to get this for free may you be blessed brother
Thanks man. I'm flattered, and it will always be free!
@@TodayOnTheSuperServer that's one of the reasons you're the best!
You missed out on a key mechanic they’re using where they make sure their E stuns the wave to reset agro so when the trade ends they aren’t taking minion damage on the way out.
7:12 it's interesting how every player makes this mistake, no matter what rank. Free chunk of damage like they don't know what the enemy champ does.
He probably didn't wanna lose exp, but renekton punished well
@@3lvis226 xp range is way bigger than that
It is boring to do nothing. Even for a high elo player
he actually said that he wanted Ren to attack him so the blue minion Aggro Ren then the cannon would make it to the turret ,obviously the Cannon didn't make it , then he said 'unlucky , and said it was a bad trade.
These videos are awesome. The text to explain decisions and mechanic knowledge makes me understand just how much of this game i didn't even realize I'm missing.
Would love to see an analysis of a mid or late game fight by Pros or SoloQ would be interesting if you could do it.
next video
Oh yeah thx for vidéo i was waiting for that AWESOME !!!!!!! GOD bless you we learn so much from your analys
Great video Totss
Good video. Thanks. More top lane videos please. Keep it up!
All I hear is Hashinshin yelling: RIGHT THROUGH THE COUNTER STRIKE!!
insane as usual bro good video
Thank you
Love these in depth videos man keep it up
They really are on another level. Btw do you have any adc tips ?
used to be a jax main ,but never knew about the rene and fiora aa going off the counterstrike before second activation
Toplaners spacing in high elo are something else
Thats very cool educational content keep it up you will get big!
I swear I have learned a lot of things from your videos... Keep up that. And also, pls more adc videos, western adcs especially. Like rekkles and upset. Thank you!
Of course they are coming
the second stun trick is so helpful holy
I want to make a transition to mid lane from ADC but I usually get out traded or showed under tower all the time. Is there an tips on how to win lane and roam well. I prefer playing roaming champs like TF, Galio or Ryze.
This video had really great insight on playing as Jax, thank you for that.
Insane vids even if I haven't seen it
Excellent video as usual :) from where did u get the Breathe pov?
Bilibili there are full game vods
@@TodayOnTheSuperServer great thnx totss
I think the best tips in this video is wave management and the tip about screwing with the croc when he has no fury. Rest is a mess
Very great analyse video, real critique is the thumbnail looks like low effort click bait,which might push off some audiences and views
I think Breathe played it better. The renekton against XNB was so bad... He can't even farm.
Really helpfull and interesting, gj
Holy hell i played this game 7+ years and just until this video i learned that we can stuff an auto AFTER Jax's E :0
Breathe got to worlds let's go!
it's difficult to say who played it better considering on one clip the enemy ganked while on the other the ally did but XNB did a better job at crashing the wave into the tower(the ward that Breathe putted may have messed up his momentum there)
especially considering that he didn't even notice the trundle from the ward
wait in fioras case i thouhgt jax cant get aa while e is up. unless he CAN be when he cast it a 2nd time. please LMK
Great comparison! Even moreso than the jax trick, maybe it should've been part of the tumbnail. But yeah, gotta clickbait to appease the almighty algorithm :D
breathe tethering absolutely insane
2000LP player played way better, as a renekton main who has played this matchup many times in high elo jax is trolling if he does not zone renek from XP at level 1, since jax wins hard with E and renekton has no way to counterplay. jax also should never start doran's shield when you can just go corrupting pot, especially vs renek. After securing an XP lead, it's extremely easy to just slow push and zone renekton with Q. Very jax favored matchup since he outscales as well.
Jax main here, Corrupting pot is weak not only do u miss out on free stats health and the dshield sustain passive is 10x better than corrupt pot only reason jax players used to get it was mana issues which buiscut solves. Dorans blade is not optimal vs renek as you can never all in a good renek instead he will constantly poke and disengage so dshield counters it basically same reason he went grasp instead of lethal.
Zoning from xp is unnessesary as it means tha jax himself would lose the gold from last hits while hes busy chasing renek and many times the renek if hes good can get the xp anyways at the price of some hp. But it is definitely done a lot by tf blade and r1 chinese jax tho ive seen lots of jax players try to immitate them and fail miserably taking too much damage level 1 and denying nothing
@@chadliabdelkrim5356 it's always optimal to zone XP in toplane even if you miss gold, since the opponent misses both the gold and XP. Renek loses half his HP to jax autoattacks if he tries to get in XP range with Q or W start. TF Blade does indeed zone XP in this matchup because it's the best way to secure a lead. Renekton cannot win any trades against jax without fury (Jax just needs to land W or E). With an XP lead, renekton can never walk up to the minions to build fury without being jumped on by jax. Renekton cannot call for jungle help since he will not have enough XP for level 2 or 3 while jax is slow pushing, making the early lane unplayable for Renekton. Doran's shield is not needed in the matchup because usually renekton is too weak to trade without fury.
@@lRoguebunny if a jax disrespects you by going dblade you win as long as you're the better player. Get dshield and trade autos dont be afraid of losing trades so long as you dont get all ined or allow a cheat recall you win through regen chances are he took ignite since tp is trash now hes stuck in lane with no hp gankable and you widdle him down and force a bad recall or kill him if he ego stays.
Like I said tho you have to be the better player toplane is all about tethering wave management and mechanics and since your playing a bruiser confidence is everything.
thanks for the vid!
Hey friend, i love your videos, but please do not overlap music from gameplay replay and your music on top. You can mute gameplay music, or make it quiter when your music is on. Anyway I loved that video!
Yeah!
2:47 I think in this exact moment Jax could jump in again and destroy renek
Great video, u could make a video analyzing the rank 1 support of chinese super server?
I remember an old (I think its 3 yrs?) Pianta clip where he pulls this off by accident with Tryndamere (both low and he almost dies) and I genuinely thought it was a luck thing but ig there r challengers using it all the time
Great high quality video. Love the comparison!
how do you get access to pro view games like that rng vs edg? just searching in youtube?
Bilibili, but there are a great amount on youtube
do u still have more ? i'm every time impressed by how deep this game is
this is one of those like the video before i watch channels
RIGHTTTTTT THROUGH THE COUNTERSTRIKE
the renekton jax trick is so coinflip cus if you fuck it up, you are done and it is not all that easy to time it since jax can cast second E when he wants.
this just goes to show the different play styles in korea vs china wow
RIGHT THROUGH THE COUNTERSTRIKE
0 ms server
if you wanted to pull this off in NA, it would be purely rng rather than by reaction
Great video
Mm I already learned these overtime and the timing, good vid tho
This would be useful but then I remember nobody in my shit server plays top and actually picks a bruiser. They will play LITERALLY ANYTHING but a bruiser, even going so far as to go toplane Jhin.
wonderful!
maybe Xnb played better but keep in mind the soloq Renekton is much worse than Flandre
Well i guess that explains RIGHT THROUGH THE COUNTER STRIKE
so many all caps right through the counter strike. Is that a meme?
@@TodayOnTheSuperServer hashinshin
RIGHT THRUUUUU THE COUNTERSTRIKEEEEE!!!!
awesome
Is it possible to still watch proview?
This isnt league anymore this is Yu-Gi-Oh
So it wasn’t right through the counter strike?
Blakey Don't stop making soft. I wished I started as early as you. You have a lot of years to learn!
nice video like always adc videos would be cool as well
Cool video and all but cut it with the windows moovie maker transitions
There is a huge difference playing on 0 ping and playing on 200 ping
Doesn't lethal tempo amount to about the same amount of health as grasp due to lifesteal?
If there was extended trades it might even be better, but against a renecton the trades are fast and you can't stack it if the Rene plays it correctly which is assumed in high elo
LOUD Brance champions queue react
the 0.01% challenger that knew this
im fucking invincible!
5:25 PTA being on cooldown isn't a good thing, xnb extending that trade made his HP lead go from 140 to
Wow some tricks I didn't know
ive seen baus does the same thing but with gragas W for lv1 trade
love your videos but can you change up the music a bit?🤤
that auto spacing is on another level
Indeed!
The Jax thing only works reliably at like >40 ping lol
Not really you gotta predict it. Even If you have 0 ms, auto takes time.
Awesome vid
5:35 Im pretty sure PTA has no cooldown
SO good this videos, pls translate more !
Can i ask whats your elo and what server you play?
You know a lot you must be challenger or something
The subtitles are a bit too fast, I am just rewinding every couple of seconds.
I will fix!
Your videos are amazing. Could you do one on Twisted Fate? I love this champ so much but I'm plat 1 trying to get diamond and I could use the help..!
日本語の字幕設定も増やして欲しいです🙏
あまり日本語の単語知ってない😭
instead.... soday I’ll manage to export sotNice tutorialng decent on soft... one day lol
i love your teaching but I need Korean subtitles plz ㅜㆍㅜ
I'm so sorry. I don't understand Korean :(
Learn english
ADCarry video next
grasp was barely doing anything into renektons dorans sheild
How do you know when Jax cast 2nd E?
it's more like a predict than a timing, things of high skill level top laners
1:10 is this consistent?
My 0.12% friend said that you cant do this
First game a pro game surely?
Requirement: 3 ping
Maybe a riven game
yeah for sure
Why you have to buy other's courses while you can just watch TOTSS instead!
renekton cdr Q is 6s now
Xiao na Bao Jax is better than Breathe in my opinion
I disageee
I feel so stupid
I WAS WRONG GO SAY I WOULDNT CHANGE
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I was knew it at last 2 seasons before
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