Hi guys and girls, a quick observation here on a point that seems to be coming up a little. We know there are a couple of ways to "attenuate" the signal from an amp to the speaker. The reload is a reactive load box rather than a traditional resistive attenuator. This video wasn't meant to be a look in to the different types device or semantics. We used the reload because it was in the studio and it was the effect of the attenuation (reduction in signal amplitude) we were interested in. A class D poweramp will effect the sound but as far as I am concerned, the reload sounds better than a lot of traditional resistive attenuators I have used, it sounded more lifelike.... it was the practical outcome that we were going for here.The ability to reduce the perceived volume from the amp in the true sense of attenuation i.e. the reduction in amplitude of the signal. In effect, the ability to blast an old Marshall down at the local pub without getting thrown out.... and let me tell you, the amp was sounding just like a Marshall should. In hindsight we should have recorded the box at 0% and with it unconnected..... maybe that will be the next video ;)
Really interesting video. I was really surprised that the difference in “loudness” between the volumes set at lower settings and maxed out was as small as it was. I guess pot tapers do make a difference 😉. Fascinating stuff. Thanks so much 👍
Two Notes makes fantastic gear. I have two of the Torpedo Captors that I use mainly for attenuation. Those have a set -20db path that works really really well. Extremely transparent compared to other attenuators I've tried. This video was a testament to just how well they work. A Reload like you guys have here is on my list as well. The variable attenuation and reamping will be super useful. Great video guys and be safe over there!
The difference is so very subtle using this device, so it does its job really well...! Would have been interesting to hear it without the load device connected at all. 🙂
Really interesting. I thought all the sounds you got with the attenuator was very useable, maybe a very slight impact on tone at 75% attenuation, but presumably you could change the eq to compensate for that. I'm also thinking that if something sounds good on UA-cam, it's going to sound great in the room.
We made a couple of small mistakes in this video, mostly describing how the Torpedo works so we are going to do a follow up showing what it sounds like out of the chain too. There are a couple of different types of attenuator (or ways of attenuating the output) but this one really did sound great in the room.
I literally can't hear any significant differences in the first clip and I'm sitting listening with DT770, haha! ^^' I guess Two Notes makes pretty transparent attenuators :P I'm using a the -20db out of a Torpedo Captor between my amp and a fatboy and it helps so much controlling the volume and find a good volume/dynamic balance at home. Yet I noticed the same as for you in the -75%: it gets a bit scooped in the mids... Cool video :D
Hi, the torpedo was in there at 0%, we thought it would be fair to do that. With it set to 0% it was very much acting like it normally would. Joe used a loop pedal to send the guitar signal through, apparently we could reamp and use the attenuation at the same time but there were some questions in to noise (I will get Joe to put something here as he's more of the tech than I am). I hope this helps.
there's a background hissing sound at 75% reduction, is that just cause you had to bring the level of the mic up? other than that i barely notice any difference after the youtube compression. the reload is a great piece of kit. i'm binging your channel by the way, and i just want to inform you that your effort is not for nothing. not only is your content top notch and informative, but my next cab will be zilla for sure. you seem like great guys with a great product. i'll be in touch
That's right, we may have been a little lazy in not going in to the different types of attenuators but I think these days most people prefer reactive load boxes rather than the tradition resitive attenuators. I think the main thing is to pull the perseived volume down while trying to retain as much of the amps characteristics as possible. I was never a big fan of attenuators for this reason but I loved this one.... Thanks for watching by the way!
@@ZillaCabs I don't think it's lazy, you're not on here to talk about comparing across different attenuation solutions. In any case, I don't hear a great deal of difference through laptop speakers. As in, at first I wasn't paying much attention and I didn't realise anything was changing at all. Which speaks well to the quality of that Torpedo unit! Thing for us to ask, though: when you talk about 75%, 25% etc are you talking about (measured?) power, or just the position on the knob? I imagine, rightly or wrongly, that 75% power would make the square root of bugger all difference, to both tone and volume!
@@ZillaCabs That is how it should be! Some, more, lots. You could use that system in describing your cabs. How much bass do you want? Some, more, or lots? Incidentally, to anyone reading this, I am also a Zilla customer, with a head shell, a 4x10 and a 2x12 all bought from them. Great kit all round, and in black-on-green just about pretty enough so that I can keep them in the house during lockdown without setting off a family argument!
The Reload does not have Attenuation levels...its not an Attenuator at all. When its connected there is always the Reactive Load working..and you can power that signal with a small built in class D poweramp. This way the sound will always be the same..so the changes that you are hearing has only to do with how much you feed your speakers :)
The video wasn't about different type of attenuation, I fully understand the reload is a reactive load box rather than a traditional resistive attenuator, it was the effect of the attenuation we were interested in. A class D poweramp will effect the sound but as far as I am concerned, as someone who has used non master volume amps a lot, the reload sounds better than a traditional resistive attenuator (in my opinion)... it was the practical outcome that we were going for here. The ability to reduce the perceived volume from the amp in the true sense of attenuation i.e. the reduction in amplitude of the signal, and it did a good job.
It's actually a pretty big class AB amp. ;) But you're correct, the idea is to use a very transparent power amp behind a load box, so the tone is not affected whatever the listening volume is.
I think there's a bit of confusion here. The Reload is an attenuator, and there's no power amp inside it. You're right, you can send the speaker signal as a DI signal to another power amp if you wish, but that's a separate function of the unit and that wasn't what we wanted to look at in this video. More info here: www.two-notes.com/torpedo-reload Cheers.
Hi guys and girls, a quick observation here on a point that seems to be coming up a little. We know there are a couple of ways to "attenuate" the signal from an amp to the speaker. The reload is a reactive load box rather than a traditional resistive attenuator. This video wasn't meant to be a look in to the different types device or semantics. We used the reload because it was in the studio and it was the effect of the attenuation (reduction in signal amplitude) we were interested in. A class D poweramp will effect the sound but as far as I am concerned, the reload sounds better than a lot of traditional resistive attenuators I have used, it sounded more lifelike.... it was the practical outcome that we were going for here.The ability to reduce the perceived volume from the amp in the true sense of attenuation i.e. the reduction in amplitude of the signal. In effect, the ability to blast an old Marshall down at the local pub without getting thrown out.... and let me tell you, the amp was sounding just like a Marshall should. In hindsight we should have recorded the box at 0% and with it unconnected..... maybe that will be the next video ;)
This is a great commercial for the Two Notes attenuator, it really does a good job ;-)
It's a handy piece of kit for sure! Thanks for watching.
Really interesting video. I was really surprised that the difference in “loudness” between the volumes set at lower settings and maxed out was as small as it was. I guess pot tapers do make a difference 😉. Fascinating stuff. Thanks so much 👍
That's the way to demo and explain stuff. Awesome job and playing.
Thanks, glad you like it.
Apart from some noticcable compression on the highest setting I'd be stoked to have this tone all day :)
I thought guys like you ran these amps flat out and worried about the consequences later ;)
@@ZillaCabs True, but as I get older I'm starting to value flexibility more and more :D
Two Notes makes fantastic gear. I have two of the Torpedo Captors that I use mainly for attenuation. Those have a set -20db path that works really really well. Extremely transparent compared to other attenuators I've tried. This video was a testament to just how well they work. A Reload like you guys have here is on my list as well. The variable attenuation and reamping will be super useful. Great video guys and be safe over there!
Hi fellas, great video. Great sounds too. All the best!
Thanks Simon, I'm glad you like it
This is interesting I’m looking to get one to be quieter haha
Yeah they are useful bits of kit!
The difference is so very subtle using this device, so it does its job really well...! Would have been interesting to hear it without the load device connected at all. 🙂
Yeah I think there is a quick video in that, load box on zero and no load box. Next tiem we have the 4x12 mic'd up I think we will do that.
Crisp playing! Thanks for the demo. I honestly don’t think I can hear the differences though.
Really interesting. I thought all the sounds you got with the attenuator was very useable, maybe a very slight impact on tone at 75% attenuation, but presumably you could change the eq to compensate for that. I'm also thinking that if something sounds good on UA-cam, it's going to sound great in the room.
We made a couple of small mistakes in this video, mostly describing how the Torpedo works so we are going to do a follow up showing what it sounds like out of the chain too. There are a couple of different types of attenuator (or ways of attenuating the output) but this one really did sound great in the room.
I literally can't hear any significant differences in the first clip and I'm sitting listening with DT770, haha! ^^' I guess Two Notes makes pretty transparent attenuators :P I'm using a the -20db out of a Torpedo Captor between my amp and a fatboy and it helps so much controlling the volume and find a good volume/dynamic balance at home. Yet I noticed the same as for you in the -75%: it gets a bit scooped in the mids... Cool video :D
Was it reamped after the fact and was the torpedo in the pass for the 0% sample?
Hi, the torpedo was in there at 0%, we thought it would be fair to do that. With it set to 0% it was very much acting like it normally would. Joe used a loop pedal to send the guitar signal through, apparently we could reamp and use the attenuation at the same time but there were some questions in to noise (I will get Joe to put something here as he's more of the tech than I am). I hope this helps.
there's a background hissing sound at 75% reduction, is that just cause you had to bring the level of the mic up? other than that i barely notice any difference after the youtube compression. the reload is a great piece of kit. i'm binging your channel by the way, and i just want to inform you that your effort is not for nothing. not only is your content top notch and informative, but my next cab will be zilla for sure. you seem like great guys with a great product. i'll be in touch
Isn't the Reload a re-amper, rather than (strictly) an attenuator? As in, isn't it a reactive load and a power amp?
That's right, we may have been a little lazy in not going in to the different types of attenuators but I think these days most people prefer reactive load boxes rather than the tradition resitive attenuators. I think the main thing is to pull the perseived volume down while trying to retain as much of the amps characteristics as possible. I was never a big fan of attenuators for this reason but I loved this one.... Thanks for watching by the way!
@@ZillaCabs I don't think it's lazy, you're not on here to talk about comparing across different attenuation solutions.
In any case, I don't hear a great deal of difference through laptop speakers. As in, at first I wasn't paying much attention and I didn't realise anything was changing at all. Which speaks well to the quality of that Torpedo unit! Thing for us to ask, though: when you talk about 75%, 25% etc are you talking about (measured?) power, or just the position on the knob? I imagine, rightly or wrongly, that 75% power would make the square root of bugger all difference, to both tone and volume!
@@andyrichardson9039 Thanks. The percentage was just a rough figure based on the knob position... none, a bit, a bit more and a lot ;)
@@ZillaCabs That is how it should be! Some, more, lots. You could use that system in describing your cabs. How much bass do you want? Some, more, or lots?
Incidentally, to anyone reading this, I am also a Zilla customer, with a head shell, a 4x10 and a 2x12 all bought from them. Great kit all round, and in black-on-green just about pretty enough so that I can keep them in the house during lockdown without setting off a family argument!
At 75% attenuation, the amp comes to life with more "woof" and "attack". It's hard to notice the difference between 0% and 50% for some reason.
The Reload does not have Attenuation levels...its not an Attenuator at all. When its connected there is always the Reactive Load working..and you can power that signal with a small built in class D poweramp. This way the sound will always be the same..so the changes that you are hearing has only to do with how much you feed your speakers :)
The video wasn't about different type of attenuation, I fully understand the reload is a reactive load box rather than a traditional resistive attenuator, it was the effect of the attenuation we were interested in. A class D poweramp will effect the sound but as far as I am concerned, as someone who has used non master volume amps a lot, the reload sounds better than a traditional resistive attenuator (in my opinion)... it was the practical outcome that we were going for here. The ability to reduce the perceived volume from the amp in the true sense of attenuation i.e. the reduction in amplitude of the signal, and it did a good job.
It's actually a pretty big class AB amp. ;) But you're correct, the idea is to use a very transparent power amp behind a load box, so the tone is not affected whatever the listening volume is.
I think there's a bit of confusion here. The Reload is an attenuator, and there's no power amp inside it.
You're right, you can send the speaker signal as a DI signal to another power amp if you wish, but that's a separate function of the unit and that wasn't what we wanted to look at in this video.
More info here: www.two-notes.com/torpedo-reload
Cheers.
@@JoeHarvatt just read the comment by Guilaume Pille on top of yours...he is the owner of Two notes..so he confirmed what i said
@@tonehammer7276 Yes, Joe, sorry I didn't introduce myself. I designed the Reload. 😉
That playing sounds like Appetite for Destruction stuff to me.
U should have used the Fryette ps v2 instead of this one.
The fryette is by far superior...
We don't have the Fryette attenuator, we just used what we have in the studio. The Two notes did a great job I thought.
25% and 75% sound good. 50% brought in too much bass