Off The Record: Can an Inter-Faith Marriage Actually Work?
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Hmong fan here. If the marriage is between two Hmongs, it will almost likely end in divorce because religion is really prominent in the culture. I've had my own parents separate (or atleast one of the big reasons why) because of it and have seen many Hmong marriages fail because of it. Your either opposing your spouse's beliefs /way of life OR your up against her or his family. Heck, some families even disown each other if there is a religion difference. There is a reason why every Hmong parent(s) will always ask if their kids lover is a Shaman (the Hmong religion) or Christian. If the answer is not the same religion, the discouragement begins immediately because there WILL BE conflict at the Hmong "Wedding" and marriage. If the marriage does happen, then it almost likely that the Wife now has to follow her Husbands religion. Very rare do you see the opposite happening. However I wanna say that it CAN work but both will forever be nagged by their own families, if you can stomach that pressure, and be okay with your Spouses beliefs. The many Hmong couples that I have seen persevere through does not force their kids (or their spouse for that matter) into either religion and is more than happy to support their kids in whatever religion their kids want to get into when they can decide for themselves. Hope this helps the guy who asked the prompt!
"my wife's catholic and i'm christian".. so many people misunderstand that... christian is a general term, catholics are also christians.. what kind of christian are you? LDS? Mormon? Protestant? Those are all different types of christians..
It could be a minority but most Catholics Ik generally like to seperate themselves. Obviously still following teachings of Christ but they like to mention their denomination as if it’s a big difference.
Bart made sure to clarify which tiff
that’s so sad to me cause I felt like Casey looked up to Bart and Joe
Makes sense esp. if Nick's wife needed surgery. Something that important ya want to be sure to specify which one.
@@erikadioquino3552 I was just thinking today that if we could get any former employee on news, it'd be Casey. Don't think there bad blood with him or tiff but there was definitely bigger bond with Casey.
For a moment I thought of the other Tiff like something happened behind scenes
@@erikadioquino3552 did Casey leave on bad terms?
This story relates to a lot of us Hmong people. Hmong Shamisms vs Hmong Churchs. The war will never end 😅
My family always mixed the two. As an atheist, I just enjoyed the tradition of the shamanism stuff. And I stopped believing in religion long ago. Anyone who uses religion as a reason to treat someone else as less than doesn't deserve my time.
I love how the basics of Islam are understood by the JK boys. And that Allah just means God in Arabic. And yes, Arab Christians use the word Allah for God.
Bart with the big brain 200IQ move 9:15 😂
Geo gonna see this and realize she dropped the ball 😂
Cold open wins:
Bart: 7
Joe: 10
Anthony: 1
Anthony’s 1 win is when Goku threw Cell a sensu bean against Kid Gohan. (Steve is Cell lol)
I'm Chinese-Vietnamese Muslim from Montreal Canada. Islam, Christianity and Judaism all come from the same Abrhamic roots. Jesus is seen as one of the most important figures/prophet in Islam. He was born from virgin Mary, and ONLY prayed to God. Jesus spoke Aramaic, a Semetic language, calling God "Allah/Ellah". Even though he is Jewish (the earliest form of Islam). Jesus was chosen by God to tell the children of Israel to get back on track and worship God properly. Jesus did not complete his message and job to the entire universe yet, will return before the day of judgement to rid of all evil and destroy the anti-christ and imposters.
Wtf Judaism is NOT a form of Islam! It is it's own religion thousands of years older then Islam.
Who cares
@@Eheh589 then why did you comment on my comment?
@@Eheh589keyboard warrior stfu you cared enough to comment 🤡😭 bozo
@@Eheh589you cared enough to reply, so stfu bozo
Ron is such a great guest!!! He fits right in with you guys.
Y’all are entertaining regardless, but the topic selection has been 🔥
Nah fr
I believe in being a good person. I wouldn't call myself religious, agnostic, or atheist. I don't know what I am.
All I know is that the number of religions that believe in simply 'being good' has to mean something
It will never work happily if both parties are truely devout to their faiths. If they're both lukewarm and are always flexible to the point where they're aren't really even people of faith. Usually they continue to be part of the communities due to obligations or just for familiarity, then that's different and a lot of people are like that. Both sides of the family will want to run their house hold one way or the other and that just won't work especially when you bring kids into the picture.
So who is China Man in the end? 😂
Some guy named Kevin
LOL the accuracy on that Hmong annual fight!! 😂😂😂
Ron is right, they are very similar, Christians and Catholics. The optimistic side of me says it can work depending on the couple. The other side of me says it just can't work. Someone resents the other in the end.
Hmong conflict of religion is a pretty difficult and common occurrence, it can be especially hard to navigate due to family expectations on the married couple... in the end the couple will have to decide for themselves how they want to navigate the religious beliefs and practices, and how to participate in the family-religious ceremonies, etc. My best advice is to pray about it (if you pray) and to ask couples who have the same religions as you guys that have been married longer. Maybe those couples can help give you info and things to consider to help navigate the important things. Best wishes to you guys 🙏💕
I was born into a 4th generation Catholic family in Korea (goes back to the time when they were arresting Catholics in Korea), baptized before I could even walk, but no one in my family is super religious. I married my husband who’s a non-believer who’s totally cool with me praying here and there. Also, I never mention God or force any ideas onto him. We’re not planning on having kids, however, if we were to, we think we want to introduce as many religions as we can so they can choose themselves.
So funny to see them confuse Catholicism and Christian 🫣
Christianity believe Jesus is God. Islam believe Jesus is simply a prophet. Not the same God.
What Christianity is Jesus is the son of God? Could be the same God as Jesus is a separate entity.
@@Djinnk042Read on the trinity. One God and three persons concurrently. Not three separate. To simplify, think one egg. One egg has a yolk, a white and a shell. We still distinguish the three parts though we call it one egg.
@@MisterJax but the period of time before Jesus was born of Mary, God was just two parts?
@@MisterJaxso is jesus the shell or the whites? 😂😂
@@Djinnk042No God exists outside of natural time which is why He is eternal.
the church hmong just grow hella weed lmao
Hmong people represent!!! We love you guys
As a Hmong person I just have to say it’s not that big of a deal. If you respect your shaman in laws you show up for the full funeral and if they respect you they won’t force you to participate. So long as you are there for them. Most marriages I know of are mix belief and they work out just fine.
Hmong people fighting at the new year is a sport, they play flag football, soccer, volley ball, fighting with umbrellas and now cornhole.
People who care about their religion and marry someone outside of it are just choosing to live life on hard mode for no reason.
In islam we believe in jesus but not as god but as a prophet that was send by god
It doesnt make a lot of sense to me if you seriously practice in a religion to marry another person that is practicing another religion or is completely atheist. Your God should technically be the most important thing in your life, it doesnt make sense if you cant have a spouse, the second most important person, be someone who denies your God.
But in Rons marriage, some Protestant Christians will believe that catholicism is a separate religion entirely, but i think most protestants consider catholics just a separate Christian denomination with very different theological views
It can work if if you’re not constantly harassing your partner and telling them what they should believe in. Let people live their lives without you trying to dictate what’s wrong and right. In the end it’s all made up anyways so it shouldn’t matter what anyone believes in.
"The New Year Traditional Fight" 💀💀
I imagine it would depend on how much they want to work at making their marriage work. Edit: Is that why Nick took time off from JK and ooss? That his wife had to have surgery? Cuz if so, and he is taking time to help care for her following her surgery, that is really sweet.
That's the sweetest!
my grandma is hmong and grandpa is laos and as kids we went to buddist temple and to hmong church. We also still went to our cousins houses who would practice shamanism. It's important to respect religion because belief is beautiful. I'm hmong and dating someone who is catholic, I've brought him to buddhist temples and been to catholic church. It can work.
I grew up with a Mormon mother n Catholic father but they let us choose our own path as long as we have respect for others family was always above all no matter what
Shout out to the Hmong fans!!! But definitely a topic in our community and a discussion of what is religion and what is a cultural practice.
Not the new year fights being brought up lol
@2:26 lol mary/marry, nice one anthony
tangent, Hmong are an indigenous group, yes based in asian continents, which means their practice isn’t so much religion than it is around rituals/ceremony. Looked on google one time and it said animistic/animism, which does sum up what we believe and practice, and is generally any indigenous group (but of course, in Hmong language we don’t have that word and I wasn’t aware of such a term when I was growing up, and that’s why we prob wouldn’t be able to answer what “religion” we believe in..aside from the ones who converted to christianity).
So, back on how to deal with multiple religion practicing household..mmm in relation to Hmong ppl, if the family is “traditional” which I assume is true to this person y’all are giving advice to, i mean otherwise he wouldn’t ask b/c would be little to no problems nor tension, the best bet is to take a stand (“against” parents/elders) on important things your partner wants for the family/children and also educate your partner about imp practices/traditions you or your parents want to have practiced. And like the boyz said, does take empathy and openness to make it work, so hopefully home boy choose well 🤷🏻♀️
I am of the mindset that the essence of true origins of religions around the world is the same, we’ve just personalized it over the years. So honestly, I don’t see why there would be conflict practicing either or OR both (the only conflict is because human being’s ego wrote sayings like “all who believe will be saved” and “everyone against our one true god are doomed souls” like what the actual fuck is that kind of belief hm? sounds mighty insecure imo. didn’t know a god or goddess could feel such human emotions). And, I’d suggest raise children in both, because that is part of their lineage with parents from different practices and people who ultimately choose their own practice..some keep the ones they are taught others choose to scorn it all and everything in between.💁🏻♀️
people will ultimately choose***
I realized there’s scientology, which is an interesting one, and is more a scam than religion esp because its creation was by a guy for his ego 😶😐😂😭🤣
Thank you for this! I hope he finds this and reads it! I love the hmong community so much!
Omg, Nick the Scientologist 😂😂😂
4:28 is the intro ✍🏼
11:16 LMAO Joe
Great topic! I'm sorry Ryan and Joe had that experience with an SDA church. There are nut jobs in every church that take it too far. I pray that you all will read the Bible and whatever church has the Bible at its center, as its foundation; that would be the best church. The key is if the Bible is the foundation because Jesus is the word of God and we can only know Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit through studying the word. May God bless you and your families😁♥
Lol these guys are not the ones to ask
LOL Joe knows the shaman tradition.
bro tips in the middle hahahaha
My mom is Christian and my dad is Muslim and tbh it’s never been an issue or a problem
Since he's Hmong I'm assuming it's shamanism vs christianity. I've known couples who married and had a successful marriage but one of them always had to convert to the other, and it only works if both aren't too strong in their faiths, or at least one of them isn't and is willing to convert, but if that wasn't the case already then they wouldn't have even been dating. I've known people who's tried to date someone of the other religion but once they both learn that neither one is going to budge, they called it off before it got too deep into the relationship. If you and your spouse have gotten to the point in your relationship where you're planning on getting married i would hope that conversation has already been had and there's a mutual understanding between the two. Best of luck too both of you. 🤞
Im an Atheist married to a very religious Catholic woman, we never had any arguments about beliefs, not one in 16 years even though sometimes I badmouth catholicism a lot of times.
Has Tiff ever come on the show? It would be nice to "meet" her.
Finally someone else gets it, it is the same God just his requirements, rules, and standards for your way of life are different according to each religion, also the depiction of significant people in the religion may differ
I’m Christian my wife Muslim ~ I feel like I’m super religious, but I won’t push my religion on my kids but if they get curious about it n start practicing with me cool but if they go church both me n my wife Muslim family I don’t care as long as they become good ppl- I don’t want wicked children that are impulsive and EVIL or selfish / entitled
A muslim woman can only marry a muslim according to Islam..
@@saraha1998 Quick fact! A muslim man can marry a Christian/Jew woman though as mentioned in the Quran as "People of the book"
@@aftab277 I know 😉 in this case the wife is a Muslim though, this doesn't work ^^
it's all come down to mutual repsect. learn how to repect one another point of view and be open mind about it and everything should be fine. but then again a lot of hmong are still narrow-minded and unwilling to adapt.
I've been married for 24 years to my wife and i personally grew up as a Jehovahs witness. As for my wife she grew up a Buddhist
My bf and I have different beliefs. He is (soft) Christian and I'm more Nihilistic and into energy stuff but I don't particularly believe in a higher power being a god. We just respect each others ideas. We already don't practice our ideals that much so we just let us live.
Wait.. what's up with Mrs. The Ear?
I’m glad to know we’re known for fighting 😅😂
Guess love isn't stronger than religion
16:37 “yeah the got hanged”
That's the problem with liberal muslims in the west. They are not really practicing. However in other parts of the world, people are very practicing. Like you said they don't bend their rules and serious about it. Also would like to know what Nick finds interesting about islam to consider it?
to a certain extend-yes. But shockingly Ive been observing it to be the other way round in more recent years. Maybe its because in the west you are not necessarily surrounded by reminders of Islam and maybe people are more motivated to study it more. There are many appealing aspects of Islam, not surprised about Nick..
@@saraha1998 Other way round as in what? Do you mean the new converts are more practicing? Because they actually are more sincere. Btw, I am aware about the appealing things in islam as a muslim. Just want wanted to know his thoughts 🙃
@@aftab277 no, I meant born Muslims in the west as opposed to Muslims in Muslim countries. At least I've noticed from personal experience.
Like if you're muslim😂
Spiritual one-upping is the only universal religion ;)
I hope you’re not here asking for yourself Nick… Not much to say cuz what Joe said is my exact thought. Think about why you guys are together. Tiam no yog Tiam 21 lawm nas! Come on. Think with your head before your d bro. In a relationship you can’t expect anything of the other person but if you know your SO was headstrong about their religion or faith already then you gotta work with it cuz you chose that life and person.
Yes traditional fight😂
oh wait, catholic and christianity isnt the same thing in the US? Im born and raised in Malaysia, and im Catholic~ i always see it as Catholic is a denomination under christianity, same like SDA, Anglican, Lutherean etc
also here since its a Muslim majority country, so any other religion should convert to Islam in marriage. For marriage between rest of the religions (other than Islam), its usually patriarchy-based.
That's how it's seen here too, but for some reason some Christians and Catholics think they're different
Can we get a hmong guest on jk news!? Pls like to push for a hmong guest! 😁
I love you Gina Darling ❤
She the sexy.
I think parent should raise they kid don't celebrate they birthday of other family remember birthday. Teach them it just another day
Scientologist 😭
You just let your Lover wins the argument for now on 🤣
Muslim in America losing the plot FR.
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do this again and have subin here he would be funny af 2x4!!!
No it shouldn't work
😂😂😅😂😂😅😂
Islam and Christianity dont worship the same God.
Wait how lol. I thought Allah translated to God? Idk I'm seeing the opposite based on what I've looked up.... Arabic Christians say Allah. The main difference I saw was about Jesus
Same name does not equate to same belief system.
@@VincisomethingIslam was founded and practiced 600 years after Christ, they worship a different God
I think same God, but with a software update. Windows 10 vs Windows 11
@@Djinnk042Not the same.
jesus is very important in the quran we believe he is the messiah just not GOD, we believe in one God which is the same God as christians and jews. jesus is actually mentioned more than muhammad and moses is the most mentioned in the quran. we dont believe muhammad (pbuh) is more powerful or special, its just that he is the last messenger sent by God. muslims believe all the messengers (eg abraham, jesus, moses, muhammad etc) all were sent revelations and all performed miracles. i think christians think we dont believe in jesus lmao but really we just dont believe he was crucified or that there is a trinity.
shia and sunni dont fight we just have different political views litterally thats it
Whats a mong ?
It is not a mong, it is Hmong. They are a group of people in the Asian community, mostly in Southern China.
Watch Gran Torino.
Religion is dumb as hell. Nobody knows what happens when you die. Follow the golden rule and live your life.