Bruvac says "mill twice as many" so lets say your opponent has 100 cards in your deck, Xander attacks, they mill half their library, which is 50 cards. Bruvac would have them mill twice as many, which would be 100 cards. I believe this is how it should work and they would combo. Strionic resonator would just copy the ability meaning half and then half again.
To be fair, if you mill half the library (rounded down) with Xander, then Bruvac doubles it, if the player has an odd number, say 83, that player mills 82 and survives. For now.
yup, that's how it works. "If an opponent would mill one or more cards, they mill twice that many cards instead." best case scenario for the player who gets milled is that they have 1 card remaining because if they have 99 they lose 49, then 49 again because of the "twice" effect leaving them with a single card.
Stifles are seeing play because you wait for the thoracle trigger to go on the stack to cast consultation and remove your library, but your opponents can still get priority to respond to the thoracle trigger afterwards and stifle it, thus killing the thoracle player to their own combo.
Mentions running Stony Silence in response. Wonders how he'll react when he realizes that's a STATIC ability and Stony Silence won't actually DO anything to it.^^
@@TransformersBoss Oh yeah, forgot you had to tap those. Still seems like it won't do much more than slightly inconvenience the green player though. It's not like you suddenly can't tap the lands for mana and green has no shortage of disenchant effects.
When counting deck size DO NOT count the deck unless it is late game. COUNT the number of cards taken out of the deck. It'll be a much smaller amount in the early game and some mid games
I'm not really interested in using Halo Fountain in a token deck, but I think we've met the threshold of untappy I needed to finally build a Kelsien the Plague deck. I think Exotic Pets is a really cool card.
@@a7wingedsheep I'm stoked for Zander, he's going to be the degenerate combos commander. The salt collector as it were. Tergrid, bruvac, wound reflection and the like are going to be so good
re: Giada, one interaction where she really shines is in combination with Herald of War, which reduces the cost of all other angels by 1 for each +1/+1 counter on it. Really looking forward to playing more angel tribal :-D (Really want my 5-color angel commander; but I'll settle with Esika for the time being)
Seth was saying he wanted Rigo to be mono-white, but you can literally just build it as a mono white deck anyway because of his costs. Bonus if you have a few treasure generators or command tower/untapped nonbasic lands and want to splash the tiniest amount of blue or green for added power.
People commenting on Bootlegger's Stash: Why is this card Green? Same people: It's not even that good in Green because Green already gets ramp and fixing, it's just Green doing Green things.
As an avid mono-white player, I'm super psyched for Rumor Gatherer and Rabble Rousing. Both those cards seem sweet, and are absolutely getting jammed into the Adeline deck I'm currently building. Rumor Gatherer is going in basically every white deck I have though, the scrying and drawing is so good! And it's an uncommon!
I'm glad Giada is mono white, sure there's a lot of cool multicolored angels, but there are dedicated zombie decks in mono black as well as two color and three color, so there's options for everyone, just like you can play mono green elves even though you can also play golgari. It would be unfair if the only good angel commander they printed ever was multicolored first, instead of white, where there should be an option.
Totally agreed. I run mono-W Angels under Lyra and I'm very glad Giada gives a very strong mono-W option. People often just assume Angels need a 5C commander because Dragons got one, but the reality is that outside of WBR, there's like 3 Angels most decks would actually want to run (original Sigarda, Maelstrom Angel, maybe new Linvala). They just don't need a 5C commander. Something like 70% of Angels are mono-W, compared to only 54% of Dragons being mono-R, and like 90+% of Angels are concentrated in WBR, where the corresponding amount for Dragons is like 70%. Angels needed a good mono-W commander first. Now that we have that, they need good WB and WBR commanders. Only once we have good tribal synergy commanders in each of those slots do we need a vanity luxury 5C commander.
I see Lord Xander as a commander with creature doubling effects and clones like Flameshadow Conjuring, Molten Echoes, Phyrexian Metamorph. This way you could get multiple instances of his etb and death triggers. Even then the rounded down and single target clauses means you need him to etb and die 3 times to get rid of 5~6 cards without your one target opponent keeping their best thing in hand/battlefield. Another use of him as a commander is foreshadowing that you're actually pox tribal.
I agree with Richard, Bootlegger's Stash shouldn't be Green, because Green openly shouldn't get treasure very often, it's already the only colour that has land ramp as an inherent thing for every Green deck, I think I greatly dislike this card, even if it's pretty pushed, it's also clunky and stupid. If you break Bootlegger's Stash, you're not clever, you're picking up fallen fruit, and that fruit is also beyond it's prime: I don't expect to see a lot of this in cEDH, I think you need more for 6 mana... this card would have been obscenely good years back, now's it's a playable card that some people think is much better than it is, I suspect, because it's really easy to see how to break it compared to most other stuff. I can't see how this will ever stay this high in price, but Meathook/Great Henge are still absurd, and Henge long ago rotated out of Standard (which now only matters if the card is exclusively played in Standard, and that wasn't true for Henge). It's a good card that should never have had Green in it's identity, BR or UBR would make more sense to me, I don't associate Green with smuggling on any level, smuggling is a 'parasitic' industry that only can exist in a stable/well established civilization with laws and consequences, I don't expect Garruk to open up a whiskey still anytime soon, but if Tibalt did I wouldn't bat an eyelash (I might be curious to try it). I guess Garruk could brew beer maybe, but even beer is 100% a civlized thing, one that arguably brought civilization about in the first place (if you're addicted to alcohol, and people used to get hooked WAY easier before thousands of years of selection for easy availability, you need it and you'll do almost anything to get more, that's how addiction work, even if it means you have to join a civilization where you (and your descendants) are stuck on the bottom in perpetuity, addiction can make it seem like a reasonable deal. Sure, your diet sucks compared to a hunter/gatherer, but you can get drunk on the weekend and the gatherer only can get a mild buzz if he eats lots of rotten fruit/naturally occurring mead, which is either super-gross or almost impossible to find with any consistency. Anyways, it's a bad choice for the colour pie, the flavour is bad, and the design feels comically lazy, it's literally 1 short sentence, there is no nuance or complexity to the card. Slip Out the Back is a fine effect, this is a really easy way to protect 1 creature from almost anything, and it's only U to do it, which is great value. March is a bigger/more versatile card, but it's also clunkier in some cases. It seems like an absurdly good card in Jeskai, and Slip Out also seems like a playable card ultimately. Getting a +1 counter at instant speed is probably worth about 1 coloured, getting the added perk of phasing the creature is the real meat of the card, where once again you can sneak your creature out and then Blasphemous Act or Vanquish the Horde, which would feel pretty good I expect. Slip Out being just U to deal with almost any effect that is a problem for any creature is potentially a lot more versatile than a counter that only deals with spells, I don't remember any counters that cost U to counter any spell or ability, that's a lot bigger than the new U counter, which does nothing vs abilities of any kind. I could see myself running Slip Out in my Zur deck of all things, where it can phase out a dreaded Opposition Agent for U, which would allow me to find Necropotence (and leave potential resources to affect a 2nd Agent if I'm that unlucky) to have removal waiting for when Agent phases in. I like Facebreaker, but I'm not sure it's quite as good as Richard thinks? But yeah, as he points out, this is stupid with all the effects that generate a huge amount of treasure, and while getting a few treasures isn't a huge problem, getting a lot is busted and anti-fun, and giving people a new (and powerful) use for already powerful treasure, one that deals with the drawback of treasures (that they aren't card draw), this is just why did this make sense in a world where most people do not care for Grim Hireling, it's looked at as a problem card outside cEDH, and this is another (potentially much better) Grim Hireling that costs less mana. In STANDARD. Because yeah. Halo Fountain seems like a bad card to me, but I know 15 creatures can happen for some decks, but it's nowhere near as easy to bust as one of the combos that just churns out mana and uses it to win, this is fine in white-heavy decks where you also have lots of tokens to power it, elsewhere I suspect you have better/more efficient ways to win. It's easier to just run a pre-existing win con, but this is also fine I suppose if your deck can generate infinite token creatures (or even just a very large number of them) and you're in White, which is a niche I suppose? I think I'd run it in my Anax and Cymede deck, if I ever get it finished, mostly for the other abilities though. I feel like everyone tends to develop some signature style to their deckbuilding, I think I've fallen in love with Stax at some point, many of my decks feature some manner of Stax effect, I'm pretty sure that the A+C deck I'm working on will have a Static Orb in it, and it's weenie aggro, my Multani deck runs Defense Grid and Hall of Gemstone, it's almost everywhere at this point. Maybe everyone is starting to build Stax decks and I'm just trying to fit in? Luxior has a huge drawback in that it makes PWs harder to deal with via combat damage (you can't swing at a creature), but creatures are HILARIOUSLY easy to remove compared to PWs with actual cards, be they wipes or removal, dedicated PW hate is very rare compared to dedicated creature solutions. Life Loss vs Damage is usually not a big deal, but I know in my dedicated 'infinite combo' deck (which does nothing but combo off or lose utterly) tries to include ways to win that don't involve targeting anything, and has The Great Aurora as a solution to otherwise impossible board states, because they can happen and my deck cannot count on winning off of combat damage (though I guess it could, it's just bad at it, even if it can easily generate infinite creature tokens they won't have haste for example, I have Altar of Dementia to mill people via infinite creature power instead), but it does have Sunscorched Desert that deals damage to win I guess? The deck can usually dig for answers when it's infinite, so you'd normally just put out your Psychosis Crawler to kill everyone since you can reshuffle your graveyard in as needed, and it combines life loss with non-targeted effect/easy activation, AKA the gold standard for pinging people to death.
Rigo allow you to potentially draw more than one cards per player, as long as you attack both the player and their PWs. You don't have to deal damage either, just attack, which is another plus compare to Edric.
I have halo fountain in my mono white adeline edh deck since she makes tokens and even without token doubling, its still card draw and makes tokens itself. White decks needed this
I actually think Lord Xander targeting saves it from literally getting you hated out by the whole table. Since it targets, you can parlay with the mana screwed guy and the guy with the janky deck to take down the guy who's absolutely popping off and needs to be stopped (cough Phil 😉). If it was each opponent, nobody would let you do anything with this.
@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS I mean, idk how playable Witchbane Orb is. I run it in Sydri as a tutor target or for the occasional curse, but idk if a random deck would ever want that.
I agree with Richard that Phasing is some of the strongest removal/protection you can have. I play Vanishing to deal with some of the more annoying enemy commanders (like Skullbriar), permanently.
Riveteers Ascendancy clearly has the flavor that whenever a creature dies, it's going on lunch break, and it's tagging a worker with a lower position (i.e. lower mana value) back in
When it comes to the Stifle effects, I run Trickbind in my cEDH deck. It is insane againts Thoracle, let it resolve, trigger on the stack they cast Demonic Consultation, let that resolve, then counter the Thoracle trigger with split second and leaving them with no cards in library
Xander with panharmonicon effects/copies, additional combats, double mill, strionic resonator, and graveyard recursion rather than recast from command zone
I don’t even care about the alternate win con on halo fountain. I like value on the first two abilities. That being said, I’m gonna wait until the price drops to $5 on this one. $10-$15 is overpriced
Slip out the back is actually soooo good, I will shove it in any blue commander centric deck. It can be used to dodge spot removal at the same cost as the cheapest counters , phase out a lethal attacker coming at you , dodge your or your opponents board wipes and turning them one sided in your favor, remove a stax piece that is stopping your game plan so you can go off. The versatility on this is absolutely wild and so much than you can get from any of the 1 mana counterspells.
I would like to add you save a lot of mana one mana and then for every time you cast your commander you save two more mana because if your commander was destroyed you have to pay two more mana
Let do the math first time you save one mana because you stopped the destruction of your creature Next time when your commander gets destroyed you have saved three mana because you did not have to recast your commander twice
With Structural Assault you minimize rocks for more treasure. Not like a treasure deck needs a full suite of mana rocks, run the indestructible ones, Arcane Signet and Sol Ring, and a bunch if rituals/treasures/land ramp to make up the difference.
I think phasing out in response to a boardwipe is infinitely better than countering that boardwipe. It turns an opponent's wipe into a wrath that you completely dodge! It's like you played a one-sided wrath. Resolving a March of Swirling Mists with a full board when your opponent tries to wrath then you come out EVEN FURTHER ahead than if they'd never cast it! March and Slip out the Back are great for that reason.
Slip Out the Back is a card that for me shares a lot of similarities with Turn Aside, which is a card I love running because I hate people messing with my stuff. The fact that it only protects creatures is a downer, especially in blue, though the ability the target opposing creatures is a plus that I didn’t consider.
I think they purposely didn’t make Giada hybrid/multicoloured otherwise it would invalidate other options for Angel tribal (kind of like Edgar for Vampires)
Btw for evelyn, the covetous to be in blue instead of white actually is a huge change: for blue you get: clones, counterspells, you can double creatures (via Reflections of Littjara), you can steal, you can draw cards even better, you have evasion, you could play extraturns and you get up to 10 black/blue vampires (btw one of those is Etrata, the Silencer and has an hard synergie with evelyn!). for white you loose: boardwipes, smothering tighte, teferis protection, doubling tokens and other very unice white cards. also some white and black/white vampires (red/white too i gues...). I might forgot some things, i mean that are just my first thoughts :)
I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again - Halo Fountain would be a White staple in Commander without the third ability. White is that starved for repeatable card draw.
My guess is that dockside is going to be reprinted in double masters 2022 not baldur’s gate. This is based on the assumption that double masters is going to be a commander focused set to celebrate the 10 years of (main) commander products
Slipout the back is must have in Vadrik deck, low cost protection, and adds to discount effect. Phasing is just so powerful and same for march of swirling mist. Low cost protection and keeps vadriks counters
As crazy as it sounds, considering the hype around the card, Bootlegger's Stash is being slept on by a lot of people. Yes there's synergy and combos and all the stuff that Seth refers to, but that's not really what I'm talking about. Everyone can see it's good with Korvold or Chitterfang. But I disagree with Richard and a large portion of the community when they say it's not generically good. Outside of a somewhat expensive mana cost, although it's green so it's not that hard to play, this card is just really good. And it's not about using it specifically as a ramp piece. The value in this card is it the mana sink aspect. You're in green so you ramp into this thing by turn 4 or 5. Once it hits, as long as it sticks around, you now have incredible flexibility in your decision making. There are plenty of games where you have a big threat in hand that you don't want to play because you're not ready to take advantage of it. If you play it, you become a threat and it eats removal and your now behind, but if you don't play it you feel like you're falling behind on board because you wasted mana. But with bootleggers stash you don't need to rush out your high mana threat before you're ready, you can play a low drop and/or hold up removal or protection and then before the end step before your turn, make a black lotus for later with your 3 leftover lands. Throughout a game, each player usually wastes a ton of mana because they don't have the cards to use their full mana every turn. The person who wins the game us usually the one who was most efficient with their resources, meaning they had the least amount of wasted mana. This card ensures that you never waste a land on a turn cycle. Also, most games of EDH aren't won by playing one threat at a time. Having ways to multi-spell and have an explosive turn is what pushes a game in your favor and this card is a great enabler for that type of play
SaffronOlive is 100% right about how popular Giada is gonna be for people doing Angel tribal. She's already the #2 most popular Angel commander on EDHrec & I'm confident she'll be the #1 choice for an Angel commander going forward. Not only is she way better than Avacyn as a commander, she's also much cheaper $ wise. I personally am very excited to retool my Lyra deck with Giada at the helm. She's exactly what the tribe needed in Commander.
How Does slip out the back even compare anywhere close.to.a counter spell tomer??? Two COMPLETELY different things. Id most of the time rather have SOTB when someone casts a board wipe for example than counter it. Or the fact that counter spells doesn't do a thing to a creature swinging for lethal at you that you can phase out. And its all for 1 mana too. C'mon Tomer. I already don't expect much from you but realllly bro!?
I think most of those cards would had worked justas good with only un paragraph of effects. Evelyn, for example, wins by just blinking her and exiling all opponents's decks. I doesn't even need to be tribal centered. And she's in blue!!! the perfect color to have a blinking wincon in the command zone!!!
Timmy's bootlegger stash. "Easiest win Con in while" Oh sweet summer child. LOL, yea that 5 mana and hope you wipe all creatures and all artifacts (including yours)
I like all these guys but Richard has " hot takes" that are gonna prove to be way off. Smuggler's Share was the best/worst example and now the Bootlegger's Stash. He said the cards were "bad"....? Ummkay
Actually, Bruvac + Xander is an entire library mill if they're at an even count, leaving them with 1 on an odd count. Bruvac doubles the amount milled, not the number of times the mill effect occurs. What would mill half, and then half of the remaining would be if you had a Strionic Resonator or something doubling the ability trigger.
Lord Xander is a 7 mana card with no inherent upside, targets one player (albeit can target multiple players with diff. modes) and its effects are negligible. It doesn't feel rewarding to play, and it is only going to make the person targetted feel worse. It is an awful, awful card
Hate to be the bearer of bad news for Seth but Volcano Hellion's damage to both yourself and the target can't be prevented, the Angel's effect would never happen=/ or worse it would still mill AND you would take the damage as well.
I mean I'm using bootlegger's stash in my niv reborn just for the mana fixing (though I did also toss in a academy manufacturer as well to go with it). I literally run chromatic lantern, world tree, chromatic orrerry and now bootlegger's stash to fix my colors because if I don't get a way to fix my colors, I'm not going to be able to cast a single spell.
My most hyped card is halo fountain. I will put it to my Osgir deck. He will be able to double it and fountains will untap him. Osgir that is allowed to use his power 2-3 times per turn is devastating.
I have had a Lyra angels deck for a long time and Giada is such a slam dunk commander for that deck I have finally shifted Lyra into the 99. If she had been multicolored I would have been so sad. There are lots of black angels now and red/green with white, but at their core Angels are still a mono white creature tribe.
Don't really care about bootleggers, 6 mana do nothing get abraded is fine. Seedborn and the like are the problem not lands making treasures. I think my favourite card is ledger shredder, really good in higher power where people double spell every turn. Card selection not card advantage but a big flier is nice as well.
Isn't Selesnya Angels with a Sigarda or Shalai as Commander the best option anyway because you get access to better ramp, better overruns, and better card draw? Would have made a lot of sense for Giada to be green as well.
Im very happy giada is mono white, for mardu we have kaalia, and Leisa is a decent option for orzhov, and shalai for selesnya. However Lyra has always been a good mono white option imo.
I’ve played against a guy with a Tameshi deck and he had Halo Fountain. He had a bunch of cat tokens due to felidar retreat and archaeomancer’s map. Managed to take it out with a crush contraband, but otherwise he would have had it because no one else had the removal.
Does Volcano Hellion actually work with Angel of Suffering? Volcano Hellion says damage can't be prevent and the Angel says prevented that damage and instead mill. Am I wrong?
Was Seth's Bruvac and Xander interaction explanation correct? I thought Bruvac doubled the mill quantity as a replacement effect, not doubled the trigger. Could be wrong, but just wanted a sanity check.
It's not, for some reason I was thinking that Tomer was talking about doubling Xander's mill ability (which doesn't really work), Bruvac and Fraying Sanity do work the way Tomer wants (there is still chance that your opponent will end up with one card left in their library since Xander's ability rounds down rather than up, but you can either mill all of someone's deck or all but one card of someone's deck in a single attack).
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks for the reply/clarification. I was just shocked because 99 times out of 100 I'd take your word over Tomer's when discussing MTG rules, cards, formats, suggestions, life in general, etc.
Sadly, Seth, Volcano Hellion does *NOT* work with Angel of Suffering, because Volcano Hellion includes the clause "The damage can't be prevented." EDIT: Also, "jee-AH-duh."
What's an efficient way to blink creatures in Grixis? If you can get unlimited Vampires entering the battlefield, Evelyn wins the game via mill (since your opponents will draw cards before you do). A jank way to do it would be something like Arcane Adaptation / Conspiracy, then use Gravecrawler + Altar combo, but that's just extra steps beyond the blood artist kill with that plan. Is there a vampire that somehow makes 2 mana on ETB, so that you could soulbond it to Deadeye Navigator for a 3-card win the game combo in an Evelyn deck?
There are a few blue creatures that untap lands on ETB, and Dockside. Infinite mana with Deadeye (or Barrin with Dockside) then infinite flicker Evelyn.
Bruvac says "mill twice as many" so lets say your opponent has 100 cards in your deck, Xander attacks, they mill half their library, which is 50 cards. Bruvac would have them mill twice as many, which would be 100 cards. I believe this is how it should work and they would combo. Strionic resonator would just copy the ability meaning half and then half again.
Correct. In fact I made basically the same comment lol
To be fair, if you mill half the library (rounded down) with Xander, then Bruvac doubles it, if the player has an odd number, say 83, that player mills 82 and survives. For now.
With the strong you can target another player
@@TransformersBoss for 1 turn or 2
yup, that's how it works.
"If an opponent would mill one or more cards, they mill twice that many cards instead."
best case scenario for the player who gets milled is that they have 1 card remaining because if they have 99 they lose 49, then 49 again because of the "twice" effect leaving them with a single card.
Don't count your library...count permanents, cards in hand, yard, exile and command zone. Then subtract from 100.
*from 99
@@zuterwer1835 Not if you count command zone ya dingus.
Before watching, I'm sure Crim picked Xander. Like, it's a given at this point
@Arturo Belano lol didn't see it, but you're right
Stifles are seeing play because you wait for the thoracle trigger to go on the stack to cast consultation and remove your library, but your opponents can still get priority to respond to the thoracle trigger afterwards and stifle it, thus killing the thoracle player to their own combo.
God that must feel so good. My play group(s) don’t play thoracle but man I’d love to do this to someone 😂
Seth: “yes, Crim, please mill me!”
Crim: “and then I’ll exile your graveyard”
Seth: “WAIT, NOOOOOO!”
Crim: “emotional DAMAGE”
Crim's face when Seth is explaining Bootlegger's Stash is priceless!
Seth mentions another Green card working with Stash.
Crim’s face: “ugh, disgusting!”
Mentions running Stony Silence in response.
Wonders how he'll react when he realizes that's a STATIC ability and Stony Silence won't actually DO anything to it.^^
@@zackkelley2940 SS will shut down the treasures
@@TransformersBoss Oh yeah, forgot you had to tap those. Still seems like it won't do much more than slightly inconvenience the green player though. It's not like you suddenly can't tap the lands for mana and green has no shortage of disenchant effects.
I don’t agree with crim on much but whenever greens involved, I get it.
im hype for "Ognis, the Dragon's Lash" because i want to play haste goblin tribal in jund colors
I love ognis!! haste is the best keyword
A reward for Haste is pretty sweet.
When counting deck size DO NOT count the deck unless it is late game.
COUNT the number of cards taken out of the deck. It'll be a much smaller amount in the early game and some mid games
I'm not really interested in using Halo Fountain in a token deck, but I think we've met the threshold of untappy I needed to finally build a Kelsien the Plague deck.
I think Exotic Pets is a really cool card.
Love the idea of Halo Fountain in Kelsien. Built that a little while ago but this has inspired me to go back and clean it up!!
Bruvac totally works with Zander, his ability makes them mill half and once that number is set bruvac sees it and doubles it
Just like hidetsugi and damage doubling effects. Sometimes they're dead, sometimes they're at 1 thanks to the rounding down.
@@a7wingedsheep I'm stoked for Zander, he's going to be the degenerate combos commander. The salt collector as it were. Tergrid, bruvac, wound reflection and the like are going to be so good
re: Giada, one interaction where she really shines is in combination with Herald of War, which reduces the cost of all other angels by 1 for each +1/+1 counter on it. Really looking forward to playing more angel tribal :-D (Really want my 5-color angel commander; but I'll settle with Esika for the time being)
How does Crim expect to cast Xander... has he passed 5 mana outside of Mana drain
Exactly-mana drain
Seth was saying he wanted Rigo to be mono-white, but you can literally just build it as a mono white deck anyway because of his costs. Bonus if you have a few treasure generators or command tower/untapped nonbasic lands and want to splash the tiniest amount of blue or green for added power.
While that is true, how I heard it was.. "It can't be part of the 99 for a mono W deck."
I wish I could play it in the 99 of Mono-White decks.
People commenting on Bootlegger's Stash: Why is this card Green?
Same people: It's not even that good in Green because Green already gets ramp and fixing, it's just Green doing Green things.
I’m in the camp of “this shouldn’t be green” and also “this just breaks green even more”.
As an avid mono-white player, I'm super psyched for Rumor Gatherer and Rabble Rousing. Both those cards seem sweet, and are absolutely getting jammed into the Adeline deck I'm currently building. Rumor Gatherer is going in basically every white deck I have though, the scrying and drawing is so good! And it's an uncommon!
Adeline is actually broken. You cant change my mind it's so powerful
I'm glad Giada is mono white, sure there's a lot of cool multicolored angels, but there are dedicated zombie decks in mono black as well as two color and three color, so there's options for everyone, just like you can play mono green elves even though you can also play golgari. It would be unfair if the only good angel commander they printed ever was multicolored first, instead of white, where there should be an option.
Totally agreed. I run mono-W Angels under Lyra and I'm very glad Giada gives a very strong mono-W option.
People often just assume Angels need a 5C commander because Dragons got one, but the reality is that outside of WBR, there's like 3 Angels most decks would actually want to run (original Sigarda, Maelstrom Angel, maybe new Linvala). They just don't need a 5C commander. Something like 70% of Angels are mono-W, compared to only 54% of Dragons being mono-R, and like 90+% of Angels are concentrated in WBR, where the corresponding amount for Dragons is like 70%. Angels needed a good mono-W commander first. Now that we have that, they need good WB and WBR commanders. Only once we have good tribal synergy commanders in each of those slots do we need a vanity luxury 5C commander.
I see Lord Xander as a commander with creature doubling effects and clones like Flameshadow Conjuring, Molten Echoes, Phyrexian Metamorph. This way you could get multiple instances of his etb and death triggers. Even then the rounded down and single target clauses means you need him to etb and die 3 times to get rid of 5~6 cards without your one target opponent keeping their best thing in hand/battlefield. Another use of him as a commander is foreshadowing that you're actually pox tribal.
I agree with Richard, Bootlegger's Stash shouldn't be Green, because Green openly shouldn't get treasure very often, it's already the only colour that has land ramp as an inherent thing for every Green deck, I think I greatly dislike this card, even if it's pretty pushed, it's also clunky and stupid. If you break Bootlegger's Stash, you're not clever, you're picking up fallen fruit, and that fruit is also beyond it's prime: I don't expect to see a lot of this in cEDH, I think you need more for 6 mana... this card would have been obscenely good years back, now's it's a playable card that some people think is much better than it is, I suspect, because it's really easy to see how to break it compared to most other stuff. I can't see how this will ever stay this high in price, but Meathook/Great Henge are still absurd, and Henge long ago rotated out of Standard (which now only matters if the card is exclusively played in Standard, and that wasn't true for Henge). It's a good card that should never have had Green in it's identity, BR or UBR would make more sense to me, I don't associate Green with smuggling on any level, smuggling is a 'parasitic' industry that only can exist in a stable/well established civilization with laws and consequences, I don't expect Garruk to open up a whiskey still anytime soon, but if Tibalt did I wouldn't bat an eyelash (I might be curious to try it). I guess Garruk could brew beer maybe, but even beer is 100% a civlized thing, one that arguably brought civilization about in the first place (if you're addicted to alcohol, and people used to get hooked WAY easier before thousands of years of selection for easy availability, you need it and you'll do almost anything to get more, that's how addiction work, even if it means you have to join a civilization where you (and your descendants) are stuck on the bottom in perpetuity, addiction can make it seem like a reasonable deal. Sure, your diet sucks compared to a hunter/gatherer, but you can get drunk on the weekend and the gatherer only can get a mild buzz if he eats lots of rotten fruit/naturally occurring mead, which is either super-gross or almost impossible to find with any consistency. Anyways, it's a bad choice for the colour pie, the flavour is bad, and the design feels comically lazy, it's literally 1 short sentence, there is no nuance or complexity to the card.
Slip Out the Back is a fine effect, this is a really easy way to protect 1 creature from almost anything, and it's only U to do it, which is great value. March is a bigger/more versatile card, but it's also clunkier in some cases. It seems like an absurdly good card in Jeskai, and Slip Out also seems like a playable card ultimately. Getting a +1 counter at instant speed is probably worth about 1 coloured, getting the added perk of phasing the creature is the real meat of the card, where once again you can sneak your creature out and then Blasphemous Act or Vanquish the Horde, which would feel pretty good I expect. Slip Out being just U to deal with almost any effect that is a problem for any creature is potentially a lot more versatile than a counter that only deals with spells, I don't remember any counters that cost U to counter any spell or ability, that's a lot bigger than the new U counter, which does nothing vs abilities of any kind. I could see myself running Slip Out in my Zur deck of all things, where it can phase out a dreaded Opposition Agent for U, which would allow me to find Necropotence (and leave potential resources to affect a 2nd Agent if I'm that unlucky) to have removal waiting for when Agent phases in.
I like Facebreaker, but I'm not sure it's quite as good as Richard thinks? But yeah, as he points out, this is stupid with all the effects that generate a huge amount of treasure, and while getting a few treasures isn't a huge problem, getting a lot is busted and anti-fun, and giving people a new (and powerful) use for already powerful treasure, one that deals with the drawback of treasures (that they aren't card draw), this is just why did this make sense in a world where most people do not care for Grim Hireling, it's looked at as a problem card outside cEDH, and this is another (potentially much better) Grim Hireling that costs less mana. In STANDARD. Because yeah.
Halo Fountain seems like a bad card to me, but I know 15 creatures can happen for some decks, but it's nowhere near as easy to bust as one of the combos that just churns out mana and uses it to win, this is fine in white-heavy decks where you also have lots of tokens to power it, elsewhere I suspect you have better/more efficient ways to win. It's easier to just run a pre-existing win con, but this is also fine I suppose if your deck can generate infinite token creatures (or even just a very large number of them) and you're in White, which is a niche I suppose? I think I'd run it in my Anax and Cymede deck, if I ever get it finished, mostly for the other abilities though.
I feel like everyone tends to develop some signature style to their deckbuilding, I think I've fallen in love with Stax at some point, many of my decks feature some manner of Stax effect, I'm pretty sure that the A+C deck I'm working on will have a Static Orb in it, and it's weenie aggro, my Multani deck runs Defense Grid and Hall of Gemstone, it's almost everywhere at this point. Maybe everyone is starting to build Stax decks and I'm just trying to fit in?
Luxior has a huge drawback in that it makes PWs harder to deal with via combat damage (you can't swing at a creature), but creatures are HILARIOUSLY easy to remove compared to PWs with actual cards, be they wipes or removal, dedicated PW hate is very rare compared to dedicated creature solutions.
Life Loss vs Damage is usually not a big deal, but I know in my dedicated 'infinite combo' deck (which does nothing but combo off or lose utterly) tries to include ways to win that don't involve targeting anything, and has The Great Aurora as a solution to otherwise impossible board states, because they can happen and my deck cannot count on winning off of combat damage (though I guess it could, it's just bad at it, even if it can easily generate infinite creature tokens they won't have haste for example, I have Altar of Dementia to mill people via infinite creature power instead), but it does have Sunscorched Desert that deals damage to win I guess? The deck can usually dig for answers when it's infinite, so you'd normally just put out your Psychosis Crawler to kill everyone since you can reshuffle your graveyard in as needed, and it combines life loss with non-targeted effect/easy activation, AKA the gold standard for pinging people to death.
Rigo allow you to potentially draw more than one cards per player, as long as you attack both the player and their PWs. You don't have to deal damage either, just attack, which is another plus compare to Edric.
Commenting before watching, I hope legder shredder is on here lol
I have halo fountain in my mono white adeline edh deck since she makes tokens and even without token doubling, its still card draw and makes tokens itself. White decks needed this
I actually think Lord Xander targeting saves it from literally getting you hated out by the whole table. Since it targets, you can parlay with the mana screwed guy and the guy with the janky deck to take down the guy who's absolutely popping off and needs to be stopped (cough Phil 😉). If it was each opponent, nobody would let you do anything with this.
Since he targets, just get a witchbane orb
@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS I mean, idk how playable Witchbane Orb is. I run it in Sydri as a tutor target or for the occasional curse, but idk if a random deck would ever want that.
Also, it’s almost protection. The opponent who kills Xander is also the opponent discarding half their hand and sacrificing half their stuff
Agreed it's gonna be hard convincing people of this though. I saw immediately as a cool way of bringing who ever is ahead down a peg.
@@Blacklodge_Willy it’s both
Green needs more power, always felt like it was lacking
I agree with Richard that Phasing is some of the strongest removal/protection you can have. I play Vanishing to deal with some of the more annoying enemy commanders (like Skullbriar), permanently.
Riveteers Ascendancy clearly has the flavor that whenever a creature dies, it's going on lunch break, and it's tagging a worker with a lower position (i.e. lower mana value) back in
When it comes to the Stifle effects, I run Trickbind in my cEDH deck. It is insane againts Thoracle, let it resolve, trigger on the stack they cast Demonic Consultation, let that resolve, then counter the Thoracle trigger with split second and leaving them with no cards in library
I do think that Stifles go up in value in CEDH. In CEDH I don't feel bad about Stifling a fetchland *and* everyone is playing Thoracle.
*burp*
Crim "kill green plays first" might need to start playing creatures so he can actually kill more than a players will to live. 🤣
I cringe every time Crim talks about green lol.
The same one who likes hullbreacher, 3feri, narset etc 😂
My Top 3 would be
1. Queza, Augur of Agonies
2. Cormela, Glamour Theif
3. Arcane Bombardment
Animate dark depths, equip Luxior, swing with a 20/20 land
Xander with panharmonicon effects/copies, additional combats, double mill, strionic resonator, and graveyard recursion rather than recast from command zone
Imma put Xander in my Marchesa Black Rose deck.
I don’t even care about the alternate win con on halo fountain. I like value on the first two abilities. That being said, I’m gonna wait until the price drops to $5 on this one. $10-$15 is overpriced
It’s good in artifacts matter decks. Nice skullclamp fodder
19:00 I rate these 1 cost protection spells like snakeskin Veil so highly. Slip Out The back is even better
Giada is awesome as a support card for my naya angels deck. (Atla is commander, eggs hatching into angels is so dumb it’s great XD)
Slip out the back is actually soooo good, I will shove it in any blue commander centric deck. It can be used to dodge spot removal at the same cost as the cheapest counters , phase out a lethal attacker coming at you , dodge your or your opponents board wipes and turning them one sided in your favor, remove a stax piece that is stopping your game plan so you can go off. The versatility on this is absolutely wild and so much than you can get from any of the 1 mana counterspells.
I would like to add you save a lot of mana one mana and then for every time you cast your commander you save two more mana because if your commander was destroyed you have to pay two more mana
Let do the math first time you save one mana because you stopped the destruction of your creature
Next time when your commander gets destroyed you have saved three mana because you did not have to recast your commander twice
Lord Xander would be way cooler if you could mill your own library
With Structural Assault you minimize rocks for more treasure.
Not like a treasure deck needs a full suite of mana rocks, run the indestructible ones, Arcane Signet and Sol Ring, and a bunch if rituals/treasures/land ramp to make up the difference.
I think phasing out in response to a boardwipe is infinitely better than countering that boardwipe. It turns an opponent's wipe into a wrath that you completely dodge! It's like you played a one-sided wrath. Resolving a March of Swirling Mists with a full board when your opponent tries to wrath then you come out EVEN FURTHER ahead than if they'd never cast it!
March and Slip out the Back are great for that reason.
Woah, I can't believe they broke Dockside Extortionist! He was so fair until Face-Breaker got printed : /
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stifle effects are getting stronger because of the broken channel spells.
Slip Out the Back is a card that for me shares a lot of similarities with Turn Aside, which is a card I love running because I hate people messing with my stuff. The fact that it only protects creatures is a downer, especially in blue, though the ability the target opposing creatures is a plus that I didn’t consider.
Rigo CAN be mono white, there aren't any rules to say you need to play green or blue sources in your bant deck!
I made him as a mono white deck.
I think they purposely didn’t make Giada hybrid/multicoloured otherwise it would invalidate other options for Angel tribal (kind of like Edgar for Vampires)
Just the part about Lord Xander was worth the watch.
Btw for evelyn, the covetous to be in blue instead of white actually is a huge change:
for blue you get: clones, counterspells, you can double creatures (via Reflections of Littjara), you can steal, you can draw cards even better, you have evasion, you could play extraturns and you get up to 10 black/blue vampires (btw one of those is Etrata, the Silencer and has an hard synergie with evelyn!).
for white you loose: boardwipes, smothering tighte, teferis protection, doubling tokens and other very unice white cards. also some white and black/white vampires (red/white too i gues...).
I might forgot some things, i mean that are just my first thoughts :)
I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again - Halo Fountain would be a White staple in Commander without the third ability. White is that starved for repeatable card draw.
My guess is that dockside is going to be reprinted in double masters 2022 not baldur’s gate. This is based on the assumption that double masters is going to be a commander focused set to celebrate the 10 years of (main) commander products
What isn't a commander focused product anymore? Even off-handedly
@@gigawarman12 Me when I'm right: ua-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/v-deo.html
Slipout the back is must have in Vadrik deck, low cost protection, and adds to discount effect. Phasing is just so powerful and same for march of swirling mist. Low cost protection and keeps vadriks counters
Richard and Crim just earned mad respect with seeing slip out the back as the TRUTH that it is.
Best artisan card printed since growth spiral!
Zander and Sword of Selves, because myriad gets you 3 etb and 3 death triggers on attack
As crazy as it sounds, considering the hype around the card, Bootlegger's Stash is being slept on by a lot of people. Yes there's synergy and combos and all the stuff that Seth refers to, but that's not really what I'm talking about. Everyone can see it's good with Korvold or Chitterfang. But I disagree with Richard and a large portion of the community when they say it's not generically good.
Outside of a somewhat expensive mana cost, although it's green so it's not that hard to play, this card is just really good. And it's not about using it specifically as a ramp piece. The value in this card is it the mana sink aspect.
You're in green so you ramp into this thing by turn 4 or 5. Once it hits, as long as it sticks around, you now have incredible flexibility in your decision making. There are plenty of games where you have a big threat in hand that you don't want to play because you're not ready to take advantage of it. If you play it, you become a threat and it eats removal and your now behind, but if you don't play it you feel like you're falling behind on board because you wasted mana. But with bootleggers stash you don't need to rush out your high mana threat before you're ready, you can play a low drop and/or hold up removal or protection and then before the end step before your turn, make a black lotus for later with your 3 leftover lands. Throughout a game, each player usually wastes a ton of mana because they don't have the cards to use their full mana every turn. The person who wins the game us usually the one who was most efficient with their resources, meaning they had the least amount of wasted mana. This card ensures that you never waste a land on a turn cycle.
Also, most games of EDH aren't won by playing one threat at a time. Having ways to multi-spell and have an explosive turn is what pushes a game in your favor and this card is a great enabler for that type of play
Omnath, Leyline Tyrant, Kruphix, and Horizon Stone all already exist. Other than Kruphix as a commander, they hardly see any play.
Its not good, its a 6 mana do nothing.
My disappointment when this list started with bootleggers stash was high. That card makes me cringe for bad card design.
I love March of Swirling Mists (and also Slip Out the Back) in my Kumena Merfolk deck. They're awesome.
Rigo seems super sick in Arcades wall tribal
SaffronOlive is 100% right about how popular Giada is gonna be for people doing Angel tribal. She's already the #2 most popular Angel commander on EDHrec & I'm confident she'll be the #1 choice for an Angel commander going forward. Not only is she way better than Avacyn as a commander, she's also much cheaper $ wise.
I personally am very excited to retool my Lyra deck with Giada at the helm. She's exactly what the tribe needed in Commander.
How Does slip out the back even compare anywhere close.to.a counter spell tomer???
Two COMPLETELY different things.
Id most of the time rather have SOTB when someone casts a board wipe for example than counter it. Or the fact that counter spells doesn't do a thing to a creature swinging for lethal at you that you can phase out. And its all for 1 mana too.
C'mon Tomer. I already don't expect much from you but realllly bro!?
Challenge to you guys is to use Luxior with a planeswalker as your commander. Finish an opponent with commander damage.
It's pretty easy to make someone count their deck for Lord Xander trigger. Just count cards in hand, graveyard and in play then subtract from 99
I think most of those cards would had worked justas good with only un paragraph of effects. Evelyn, for example, wins by just blinking her and exiling all opponents's decks. I doesn't even need to be tribal centered. And she's in blue!!! the perfect color to have a blinking wincon in the command zone!!!
Timmy's bootlegger stash.
"Easiest win Con in while" Oh sweet summer child.
LOL, yea that 5 mana and hope you wipe all creatures and all artifacts (including yours)
nice video as always! And Btw just for interest, the angel commander is called "Giada" , "Gia" is pronounced like "just" non "Ghiada"!:)
I like all these guys but Richard has " hot takes" that are gonna prove to be way off. Smuggler's Share was the best/worst example and now the Bootlegger's Stash. He said the cards were "bad"....? Ummkay
Actually, Bruvac + Xander is an entire library mill if they're at an even count, leaving them with 1 on an odd count. Bruvac doubles the amount milled, not the number of times the mill effect occurs.
What would mill half, and then half of the remaining would be if you had a Strionic Resonator or something doubling the ability trigger.
Traumatize is in almost every Bruvac deck, yes that works.
Lord Xander is a 7 mana card with no inherent upside, targets one player (albeit can target multiple players with diff. modes) and its effects are negligible. It doesn't feel rewarding to play, and it is only going to make the person targetted feel worse. It is an awful, awful card
Yeah. Traded the one I pulled for a professional facebreaker. At least that is a good card.
one of seth cards will be corpse explosion, i call it
A buddy of mine wants to Luxior + Huatli, Radiant Champion so that's a dumb fun little "combo". Just a big Huatli hitting your opponent's face.
Just a tip for people milling a lot of library, just count how many cards you've seen! only 18 cards in your hand, battlefield, and grave? mill 40!
Hate to be the bearer of bad news for Seth but Volcano Hellion's damage to both yourself and the target can't be prevented, the Angel's effect would never happen=/ or worse it would still mill AND you would take the damage as well.
Halo Fountain + Emmara Soul of the Accord (cmdr?) + Cryptolith Rite or Paradise Mantle... Fun times :D
I mean I'm using bootlegger's stash in my niv reborn just for the mana fixing (though I did also toss in a academy manufacturer as well to go with it). I literally run chromatic lantern, world tree, chromatic orrerry and now bootlegger's stash to fix my colors because if I don't get a way to fix my colors, I'm not going to be able to cast a single spell.
My most hyped card is halo fountain. I will put it to my Osgir deck. He will be able to double it and fountains will untap him. Osgir that is allowed to use his power 2-3 times per turn is devastating.
I have had a Lyra angels deck for a long time and Giada is such a slam dunk commander for that deck I have finally shifted Lyra into the 99. If she had been multicolored I would have been so sad. There are lots of black angels now and red/green with white, but at their core Angels are still a mono white creature tribe.
Don't really care about bootleggers, 6 mana do nothing get abraded is fine. Seedborn and the like are the problem not lands making treasures.
I think my favourite card is ledger shredder, really good in higher power where people double spell every turn. Card selection not card advantage but a big flier is nice as well.
People normally get on Seth for his pronunciation, but damn,Tomer., those attempts to say Giada...
Isn't Selesnya Angels with a Sigarda or Shalai as Commander the best option anyway because you get access to better ramp, better overruns, and better card draw? Would have made a lot of sense for Giada to be green as well.
Im very happy giada is mono white, for mardu we have kaalia, and Leisa is a decent option for orzhov, and shalai for selesnya.
However Lyra has always been a good mono white option imo.
I’ve played against a guy with a Tameshi deck and he had Halo Fountain. He had a bunch of cat tokens due to felidar retreat and archaeomancer’s map. Managed to take it out with a crush contraband, but otherwise he would have had it because no one else had the removal.
Does Volcano Hellion actually work with Angel of Suffering? Volcano Hellion says damage can't be prevent and the Angel says prevented that damage and instead mill. Am I wrong?
Can’t over can -the thing that says damage CANT be prevented takes precedence of the thing that CAN prevent damage.
Evelyn is the best/most fun commander in the set.
There's the mandatory dockside c onversation that makes me so caring about the podcast. I'm so tired of hearing about it...
That volcano hellion comment killed me. That would be so funny.
I love halo fountain, have never used it for anything but drawing cards and making weenies. It's an insane value spell on its own.
Kyren Negotiations and Halo Fountain in a Boros deck. Tap down to deal 15 damage to target player, untap to win :D
Nicol bolas the ravager + deepglow + Luxior = a two shot commander damage planeswalker lol
Was Seth's Bruvac and Xander interaction explanation correct? I thought Bruvac doubled the mill quantity as a replacement effect, not doubled the trigger. Could be wrong, but just wanted a sanity check.
It was not, with Bruvac it will double the rounded down number so full mill or mill to one. Thats why people hated Bruvac
It's not, for some reason I was thinking that Tomer was talking about doubling Xander's mill ability (which doesn't really work), Bruvac and Fraying Sanity do work the way Tomer wants (there is still chance that your opponent will end up with one card left in their library since Xander's ability rounds down rather than up, but you can either mill all of someone's deck or all but one card of someone's deck in a single attack).
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks for the reply/clarification. I was just shocked because 99 times out of 100 I'd take your word over Tomer's when discussing MTG rules, cards, formats, suggestions, life in general, etc.
How does Seth not realize that with Xander you just don't attack the player who wants to be milled? It's literally that simple lol
Bootleggers Stash sucks. It would have been good in literally any other color.
Seth Week idea, everyone picks their favorite against the odds video and builds a commander deck around it.
My buddy won two games with glada, not even funny. He has an avacyn deck as well. He ran the two angels that cheapen angels as well.
Whirlwind denial is really good for a counter spell/stifle since it hits the whole stack for stuff like blood artist plus boardwipe
How do you all forget Jokelhops and Decree of annihilation and obliterate?
I play jodah as my angel commander because we don't have one that's actually an angel. i really wish we did
Stifle is the coolest gotcha in commander. right after counterspell and negate, i run disallow
51:41 Structural Assault + Mycosynth Lattice ?
Face breaker is fair as its from combat…..dockside was a mistake and needs a ban and we all know it
Sadly, Seth, Volcano Hellion does *NOT* work with Angel of Suffering, because Volcano Hellion includes the clause "The damage can't be prevented."
EDIT: Also, "jee-AH-duh."
Sounds like it works, but you die ;)
Rigo can draw you more than three cards if anyone is using planeswalkers.
What's an efficient way to blink creatures in Grixis? If you can get unlimited Vampires entering the battlefield, Evelyn wins the game via mill (since your opponents will draw cards before you do). A jank way to do it would be something like Arcane Adaptation / Conspiracy, then use Gravecrawler + Altar combo, but that's just extra steps beyond the blood artist kill with that plan.
Is there a vampire that somehow makes 2 mana on ETB, so that you could soulbond it to Deadeye Navigator for a 3-card win the game combo in an Evelyn deck?
There are a few blue creatures that untap lands on ETB, and Dockside. Infinite mana with Deadeye (or Barrin with Dockside) then infinite flicker Evelyn.