Shocking Differences: Christian Communion vs. LDS Sacrament
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- What are some of the differences between an LDS view of The Sacrament and a Christian view of Christian Communion (or the Lord's Supper)? Mormonism uses water, while Christianity uses wine or some other "fruit of the vine." Are these differences significant?
Both Mormons and Christians practice an ordinance which the Lord Jesus instituted the night when he was betrayed. But while Latter-day Saints believe that in each taking of the Sacrament, we promise to keep all the commandments of God in order to merit mercy, Christian communion points to something quite different.
When we take the Lord's Supper, it's not a reminder of what we must do to merit grace, but what God has done in rescuing ungodly people like us.
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CORRECTION: While Deacons (Men, 12+) do pass out the sacrament, it's actually Priests (Men, 16+) who say the prayer.
The Bible and Book of Mormon agree - There in only one God, God and Jesus have existed for ALL Eternity, and Jesus Christ is God.
Isaiah 43:10 “Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. 11 I, I am the Lord and besides me there is no savior”.
Luke 2: 11 “for to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”.
Mosiah Chapter 15 and Moroni Chapter 8. The Father and Son are the SAME, and ETERNAL, from ETERNITY to ETERNITY, and God himself (which is Jesus) shall come down among the children.
Yet, mormons believe Smith’s crazy 1842 idea; Jesus is the ‘spiritual’ child of Elohim and heavenly mother (which means not eternal) and Lucifer is his ‘spiritual’ brother. This idea is simply the work of a ‘deceiving’ spirit..ie..Satan, thus, the mormon jesus is ‘another’ jesus, and mormons receive a different spirit, and accept a ‘different’ gospel.
The Apostle Paul warned those preaching ‘another’ Jesus, receiving a different spirit, and accepting a different gospel (such as the mormon gospel) in 2 Corinthians 11:4, and goes on to explain in verses 14 and 15; “For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
As a Mormon (for 25 years) taking the sacrament, it always seemed to scream, "Try harder, try harder, try harder."
As a Christian (for 3 years now) taking communion, it always seems to whisper, "It is finished, it is finished, it is finished."
@castletokingdom - power post!! Thanks
so now you don't try anymore?
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m - try!? What are you trying to do?
@@zmig7793 I am trying to obey God's commandments. Are you not trying to do that?
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m - we both are but for different purposes. What commandment are you trying to obey?
The Jehovah's Witness corruption of the Lord's Supper is even worse. They get together once a year, I think it is, and pass around bread and wine... and nobody partakes. Nobody.
Only the 144,000 are allowed to take the communion within the Watch Tower organization. And most of those people have already lived and died. That is why in their meetings the cup and wafters are obtained from.
💯. _How_ we worship the Lord is of the utmost importance.
I was Mormon for 2-3 years and the replacement of wine with water NEVER made sense to me.
more healthy perhaps..main reason is they are not permitted alcohol..so they did not want to tempt their members even if the wine was grape juice..only guessing not a mormon
My understanding is that "new revelation" at some point was revealed to advise that the Lord didn't mind what we used. That it could be water.
Great video. One thing I think that is imperative to mention is that the LDS church uses leavened bread whereas Christians (and Old Testament saints) use unleavened bread. Unleavened bread represents that Christ was without sin, whereas Mormons partake of leavened bread which is biblically symbolic of sin.
I believe eastern orthodox use leavened bread. Symbolizing Christ rising, that's what an Orthofriend told me.
@@kodaville_9086 interesting. Since they don’t believe the scripture is the final authority it comes as no surprise.
@glennjohn3919 I see that you actually don't know as much about us as you think.
Bearing false witness against your neighbor is not cool.... you teaching for another group is interesting.
@@curtisdecker3175LDS are not neighbors to Christian’s
@@curtisdecker3175 He was right. Mormon do not believe that scripture is the final authority. They believe that what the prophet says (as the mouthpiece of god) can override (or, clarify, if you prefer that) scripture.
...a few years ago, as I studied God's Word, He let me know what mormon's version of communion really is: yeast bread and water, sinful prison rations!
After God took me out of that cult 20 years ago, I am so grateful to be freed from the prison of lies and deception
Hallelujah to His High and Holy Name forever!
Excellent analysis of the Biblical meaning of communion vs the LDS sacrament. As a former Mormon of 60 years, I felt uncomfortable making promises week after week that I would keep all the LDS commandments, knowing I could never accomplish that goal no matter how hard I tried. It felt like vain repetition. Now that I understand Christ kept all the commandments and died for all my sins, I place my faith in Him and His righteousness to make me worthy to be in the presence of God in heaven. Thank you for the excellent presentation!
Did it ever occur to you that maybe you should actually MEAN it when you say it? Not saying to keep Mormon commands, but I’m talking about keeping Jesus’ commands. After all, what does it mean to repent to you?
What gave you the impression I didn't mean it? You sound angry?
@@dannylarsen4290 the caps were there for EMPHASIS, lol. Not anger.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of all your family, friends that you made throughout those 60 years who are still Mormon? Do you think they are going to a torturous Hell?
@@dannylarsen4290 what I mean is, if you truly actually do mean it, God will deliver you from all sin. That’s what Jesus promised and that’s what He came for - to actually deliver you FROM sin, not just the penalty of sin. Do you believe He can and will?
This is why it should be fermented wine and not just grape juice. You are right that St. Paul proves that it was fermented wine they used
Finally someone in the comments showing GLM is not consistent in his application of the principle
The mandatory verbatim prayer is the most troubling aspect to me. I attended a LDS church service one Sunday and the boy who read the prayer did not get it exactly right. He looked humiliated and then proceeded to read it again. To think that special words are needed to “activate” or make the blessings of sacrament efficacious is a foreign concept to the New Testament.
Yep. It stems from Joseph's treasure digging background when he was younger
I remember having to read it three times because I somehow kept skipping a word.
Why is it troubling that a specific ritual requires a specific prayer?
Most other times we pray the words are completely up to the person saying it. The other prayers during the sacrament meeting are improvised and unique to the person saying it and don’t require any specific authority.
Maybe the boy who did it when you went was new, but it’s a common occurrence for everyone to just patiently wait if the bishop tells the priests to read it again.
As for it being “verbatim” it’s a very specific thing being asked of and each part we believe is important.
@@brookebennett6006because what makes a prayer important is the petition of one’s hearts, not a specific script. It’s unbiblical to think that our worship to God could be invalidated by accidentally deviating from a script during a prayer.
The Bible and Book of Mormon agree - There in only one God, God and Jesus have existed for ALL Eternity, and Jesus Christ is God.
Isaiah 43:10 “Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. 11 I, I am the Lord and besides me there is no savior”.
Luke 2: 11 “for to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”.
Mosiah Chapter 15 and Moroni Chapter 8. The Father and Son are the SAME, and ETERNAL, from ETERNITY to ETERNITY, and God himself (which is Jesus) shall come down among the children.
Yet, mormons believe Smith’s crazy 1842 idea; Jesus is the ‘spiritual’ child of Elohim and heavenly mother (which means not eternal) and Lucifer is his ‘spiritual’ brother. This idea is simply the work of a ‘deceiving’ spirit..ie..Satan, thus, the mormon jesus is ‘another’ jesus, and mormons receive a different spirit, and accept a ‘different’ gospel.
The Apostle Paul warned those preaching ‘another’ Jesus, receiving a different spirit, and accepting a different gospel (such as the mormon gospel) in 2 Corinthians 11:4, and goes on to explain in verses 14 and 15; “For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
It took Jesus to turn water into wine. It took Joseph Smith to turn wine into water.
Joseph didn’t. He used wine. The change came later in the 40s.
@@jeffreyrichardson_ Not from the research I read.
Feel free to post any references for that.
Y'all the quotes near the end of the video had me like 😳😱
The proper form of the Eucharist is bread and wine, not bread and grape juice. Furthermore, the proper understanding of what purpose the Eucharist serves is held by the apostolic churches (that is, the churches that have apostolic succession). The memorialist view is wrong and is unwilling to face the uncomfortable truth of this divine mystery, opting rather to explain it away.
I'm so glad GLM did a video on this! After visiting a few wards I always wondered why they had water with communion instead of wine/grape juice
Marissa. Please please help your husband do videos the questions I asked him. The only people who benefit from these videos are those who are already ex Mormon or those who are offended and needing an outlet. Please have him answer the questions about Hell and why God takes his common Grace away. And about sanctification and what it means for those not of your faith. Those are questions Mormons will pay attention too.
Please please tell me if you will forgot about me after we both die. I need to know this. I just need to know. Marissa, I just dont think you realize how negatively your husband has affected my life. Please! I need to know if you would go to Hell for me.
Marissa, maybe I just need to see the Empathy in you. I don't see it and I really want to. All I see is heartless people who will forget about most mankind after this short life.
I understand the concept of the trinity, I understand that it is Christ alone, I understand why you interpret the Bible the way you do. But I just don't understand why you worship God believing he won't save most people. Where is your empathy? I just need to see it and I need to see how you reconcile this (most people going to Hell for not believing correctly) in your brain. I really just need that.
I just really need to see your empathy and not just your apathy. Will you love me in the next life. Please answer.
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m whoa whoa why the bombardment and accusations? All I said was that it was helpful to have a video on why the LDS church uses water instead of wine/juice....
@@Marisa-yf1vcI am sorry for the bombardment. I am troubled. You seem like a good person. I just don't understand why your husband makes these videos. The Mormons understand why they take the sacrament the way they do. This video will not affect them. Ex Mormons understand why you take the sacrament as you do. They will use this video to criticize the Mormons amount themselves. This video is for ex Mormons and it encourages criticism.
I want to be your friend. I want to understand you. I want you to see me as a human, and not just a Mormon who deserves to be tortured if I don't change my ways.
I see you as a child of God. He loves you and that means everything to me.
The Church held to the Eucharist for over a thousand years before protestants came along. And it's funny that despite the contrast with old testament Jewish practices where God used matter to transmit grace but which now don't do anything for Christians with the new sacraments having much greater efficacy, protestants still deny those sacraments
Transubstantiation.
Based
Small correction: Deacons don’t say the LDS sacrament prayer.
There’s 3 “Aaronic Priesthood Offices” and each have their specific responsibilities in the sacrament (details below)
1. Deacons (age 12-13)
Deacons only PASS the sacrament to the congregation
2. Teachers (age 14-15)
Teachers primarily PREPARE the sacrament, but can also pass it. However, they cannot bless it
3. Priests (age 16-17)
Priests primarily BLESS the sacrament (say the prayer), but can also prepare it and pass it.
Not a knock on the video, just mentioning because I know some LDS folks might catch that
I think you mean Evangelicals can be nitpicky. Thus this whole video in the first place.
Ah! Helpful - thanks!
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m- haha … lol. You label a video over sacrament as “nitpicky”. You’re right, no big deal .. lol
@zmig7793 Can I ask you a serious question? How do expect me to think you are a true Christian who is being sanctified, when you laugh at me and treat me with disrespect. Am I supposed to want to follow your example and belief system when the fuit of it is you treating me so poorly?
The reason why I said Evangelicals are nitpicky concerning the sacrament, is because they are so concerned about using wine instead of water. I would think God would recognize the intent of someone's heart more than what is used.
That being said, are Evangelicals nitpicky about Baptism and who has the authority to baptize, if it is needed for salvation and how it should be done? It appears the Bible says it is needed.
As a 16 y.o, I blessed the sacrament a few times. When I started falling away from the faith by things with girl friend, and drinking at parties etc, i quit volunteering because regardless of how i felt about the church, others viewed it as sacred.. my bishop asked me point blank why i wasnt blessing the sacarament and i told him i wasnt worthy.. led to a lot of trouble at home and a forced interview.. that was pretty much the end for me with that faith.. years later read the new testament and it came to life for me.... lots of items in the new testament re affirmed for me that mormonism doesnt come close to christianity and contradicts it over and over... if it works for them and they fill good doing it, ok.. but not for me thnx
Not a lds but have friends that are. I very much dislike and disagree with being called in by the bishop for an interview so they can question and reprimand one for something he may think is wrong, especially when the bishop is secretly and actively participating in sin himself. This is something that doesn't set well with this Baptist.
The guilty take the truth to be hard.
God Loves Mormons says that for Latter Day Saints what is used is not that important. But that’s only because an angel sent to the prophet from the presence of God declared it not to be.
Water is the symbol of Christ"s blood when you are dipped in his blood at baptism to wash away your sins. You are washed clean by the blood of the Lamb. White wine doesn't look like blood. The enemies of the Mormons were poisoning the wine when Joseph asked the Lord , What shall we do? He was told to use water.
Most religions that use wafers instead of breaking bread, have changed the ordinance. The ripping apart the bread symbolizes the ripping apart of the flesh of Christ, on the cross, the scourges, and in the Garden where he sweat great drops of blood.
Are the enemies still poisoning the wine ? Joseph Smith partook of wine on the day he got killed , and he didn't eat poisoned.
Who was poisoning the wine?
Who would try to kill fellow believers because they disagreed with their method of worship?
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Gatekeeping Lynch Mob christians.
It's not surprising that an organization like yours would knowingly misrepresent what is and what is not considered LDS doctrine. Hence, your use of statements by LDS leadership to strawman a non-canonical or doctrinal view of our ordinance of the sacrament.
As stated, the purpose of the Lords Supper as communicated in our ordinance is such, "O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it, that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them; that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen."
The ordinance of the Sacrament does not remit sin but, as communicated through the revelation on the sacrament prayers, but instead invokes a promise that the his Spirit will always be with the partaker. It is through the atonement of Christ that we are forgiven by faith and sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
The sacraments in the church are even more than that if it's from one of the older branches of Christianity, catholicism, Orthodox, Coptic, etc. It's that you are participating in an eternal communion. With christ, the apostles and all the saints, along with his eternal sacrifice.
God Loves Mormons says that as a Christian he believes that the elements pertaining to the sacrament are essential but clearly he doesn’t believe that authority from God is essential for blessing it because churches like his outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have none.
would anyone here be interested in an actual conversation between an Evangelical and a Mormon. I, as a Mormon, would like that. I do have questions for the Evangelicals.
What is the purpose of our existence and what perspective gives most meaning to the majority in existence?
I would like to go deep into this.
I am not evangelical, but I am an Orthodox Christian. What is your answer to the proposed question, to begin.
@@hxplxss1835 The Mormon view
of the purpose of exsistence is to help God with what they believe is his ultimate work which is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. I agree with this. The reason why I agree with this is because it is complete selflessness.
I believe God is perfect empathy, love and selflessness. Yes, the scriptures say he is a jealous God but I believe that is because he wants people to follow him as that is the path to ultimate happiness. We can not help him with his work by not following him.
God is the perfect example of selflessness meaning his whole mission in existence is to help people become all they can become. Some people choose not to believe in God and yet try to do good (who is the definition of good), some people believe in God but do nothing to act on their faith, some people act on their faith in God and become something more with the help of the Savior. Mormons accept the free gift of the Atonement just as other Christians do. The atonement provides us all with forgiveness and second chances. But is the choice of the individual what they do with the free gift of the Atonement.
The regular Christian accepts the free gift of the Atonement and expects to spend eternity gaining the benefits of it, to be acted upon, eating drinking and being merry for eternity.
The Mormon accepts the Atonement and uses it to help God with his work. They try to obey the 10 commandments, the law of chastity and sacrifice. They repent and do better when they do wrong. Carrying it even further, the Mormon will never stop learning, growing and becoming after this life. They will sacrifice eternal ease and comfort in order to preach to others in the spirit world after this life. They know that being saved is meaningless for them if most people are tortured for eternity just for having incorrect knowledge in this short life. That is the motivation of a Mormon. Eternal love for ALL mankind. It may be imperfect in this life and more perfect in the next.
THAT IS THE ULTIMATE PURPOSE OF OUR EXSISTENCE. TO UNITE AND GIVE IN SACRIFICE AND LOVE FOR AN ETERNAL CAUSE.
By their fruits you shall know them. All I have learned from "regular" Christianity is that they are the few that are saved. They seem to boast in it. I don't expect them to love most of mankind after this life as that will interfere with their peace and comfort that they expect Heaven to be. It is all about what they get from the Atonement after this life. They will not care about the majority of mankind who they expect to be suffering in hell.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I just wrote a long response and it did not post. So I will summarize.
The Mormon view on the purpose of the existence of Man. To help God with his purpose which they believe is to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man."
They accept the Atonement and use the Atonement for the betterment of all mankind. They are willing to sacrifice their eternal peace and comfort to help being people to God in this life and the next. This is selflessness.
The "regular Christian" view on the purpose of life is to enjoy God forever and make his name known. They reap the benefits of the Atonement. They will have peace and happiness forever while they expect most people will burn in Hell for not having correct theology. They will most likely forget about the majority of mankind after this life as it will impede their happiness. They will not make his name known for those in Hell. After all, who can be happy watching most people suffer in Hell. This is a selfish way to look at eternity and I have NO respect for it.
What type of person will you be in and after this life?
The reason the LDS use water instead of wine is because their doctrine denies the fact that the Bible teaches that the blood of Christ is what cleanses believers of there sins . According to Mormon leader , Orson Pratt , " the blood of Christ is no more effecatious for the forgiveness of sin than that of a dead dog " .
The Christ Mormons remember at Communion is not the Christ. but a Christ of their own making.
Simply not true.The Sacrament displays the grace the Savior offers me.
How can they ask us to take their scriptures seriously, when they don't follow them. The D&C clearly states that it should be wine/grape juice. They can make it themselves. I think that they just don't want to pay for the wine/grape juice.
@bhendy1974 - D&C is old news. What those prophets said back then doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is what the current prophet says. Continuing revelation is where it’s at
@@zmig7793 Are you being sarcastic or...
@@hxplxss1835 - if the prophet Nelson agrees it should be water … then water it is. If in 10 years the new prophet says orange juice then it is whatever he says it is. Let’s follow the seer-revelator-man who “follows” God. He is so much more worthy than we are and can received better revelation than us lower level sinners The prophet can’t lead his people astray. You don’t see it?
@@zmig7793 I don't because that contradicts what 'God' says in D&C
@@hxplxss1835- quit speaking that mumbo jumbo D&C stuff. Even God can change his mind. Blacks were banned and now they’re not. God said to practice polygamy and now unfortunately it’s a no. You see, since God can change his mind, then that’s why we need a prophet to follow so we’re not confused and headed down the wrong path
God Loves Mormons is right; we don’t have the right to alter any of the elements used in the sacrament. But God does have the right to alter the elements which he has done. God is the authority, not the Bible.
Question, how do Christian’s take communion? Do they do it everyday? Once a month? Does it need to be blessed?
hola soy de Lima Perú, en primer lugar gracias por hacer este vídeo con mucho respeto, eso es lo que pude entender o ver, gracias, yo se que marcas bastante fuerte el tema de la escritura, etc, a diferencia de muchas denominaciones protestantes o de ramas de ellas, incluyo a los testigos de Jehová y adventistas con que aveces nos vinculan, pero ellos tienen una referencia fuerte a la sola escritura. Nosotros los Santos de los últimos Días no tenemos ese dogma o principio de la sola escritura, tampoco las otras 4 solas restantes, es bueno aclarar ese punto, se que hay controversias del como cuando y donde, se da ciertas revelaciones, pero ahora al ver el enorme fruto que da la iglesia con toda los errores humanos que seguro se han podido cometer, veo claramente las palabras del Señor Jesucristo,, por sus frutos los conoceréis, y la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los últimos Días, es un pueblo peculiar de Dios.
I’ve always thought it’s wires that they use water. Thanks for clearing that up
You may want to pay attention to chief midegah of the ojibwe tribe and numerous other native Americans, as they have just started petitioning the lds church for more recognition as they are bring forth thier sacred records in September this year.
@4:08 This is a result of The emphasis in modern Christianity to be on the less important aspect of the sacrament.
All primary ordinances that involve us making a covenant with God are word specific. This includes baptism, sacrament and the covenant of marriage for eternity. Focusing on the elements of the sacrament is like saying it makes a difference whether you get baptized in a river (like Jesus) or in the open ocean, or in a blow-up kiddie pool at your local church.
What matters is the covenant and the authority. Everything else matters much less or not at all.
Thank you so much for being faithful to the Savior, His Restored Church and kingdom and to your baptismal and Temple covenants!
@@DanBurress same to you sir.
When i traded services with a Mormon in 1987 : i was shocked to find this plastic box of bread and water being passed around.
I refused to touch that box and almost went Jesus turning over the tables in the temple but didn't because He was coming to my church the Next Sunday.
The adrenaline rush against this herecy was great, and why this one thing will keep me away from Mormonism.
Mormons desecrate Jesus at the end of every Sunday service, when the LEFT OVER freshly 'blessed and sanctified' bread and water, symbolic of the body and blood of Jesus Christ, is unceremoniously dumped into the trash like common garbage.
GODS feast days have not been removed.
The reason why I ask why Is God worthy of worship is because I have been thinking a lot about this lately. When I think of fighting/suffering/dying for Good, I think of the good of ALL people or at least the majority. In your belief system, God does not do this. He suffered for YOU and a very few others according to your belief system. Evangelicals will say the majority of mankind reject him when it reality most do not reject him but just don't understand him in the same way Evangelicals do.
So why do you worship God when you do not believe he will maximize his good influence for all people. It just seems so selfish to me to accept a gift that you know will not be given to most people because they do not have correct understanding of the giver.
I guess I feel like the Mormons have a spark of more understanding into this.
They understand that salvation is a wonderful gift but not if it does not benefit the human race as a whole.
Evangelicals do not believe there is common grace for most people after this life and that puzzles me greatly. Without common grace, there is only darkness...
I can not rest until each of you hear my perspective in being a Mormon. When I take of the sacrament, I am not thinking about how the liquid should be wine or the bread should be unleavened. Those are things YOU focus on as GLM Evangelicals and I do NOT admire your focus.
I think about Jesus Christ and his sacrifice for ME and YOU. He died for us so that we may be forgiven of our sins and live again. Jesus is everything for me because he is everything for everyone. He is our Savior and we are saved only through him. Anything beyond that, you do not even try to understand so I won't go there.
It is heartbreaking that you discredit what means so much to me, that being how I see Christ as the Savior of the world. I know he lives and loves you and I.
You can rest now. You have nothing to add. It’s not about what you think it’s about what your evil church teaches. It uses the sacrament to bind its members and ensure they show up each week. Go rest now knowing you made yourself and false religious look silly . From a ex member
John6:53 “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.” The communion meal is more than just ‘remembering’ Jesus Christ. He is the Passover Lamb and the bread and wine literally becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have the authority to do this. Some protestant Anglican churches claim to have authority, but Do Not.
Jesus rejected organized religion. No disrespect, but I think you missed the message.
@@3thingsfishing427 Interesting. What do you ‘consider’ organized’ religion or are you saying Jesus promoted 'unorganized' religion?
From the beginning, Jesus’s Church is organized when He said to Peter “upon this rock” he would build his Church and established one ‘universal’ Church (not churches), 2000 years ago, to stand against the gates of Hades, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
Jesus gave his Church the ‘sacraments’ so we can obtain the necessary graces to inherit the kingdom of heaven. Jesus’s Church requires we obey the commandments. Jesus's Church is ‘organized’ with Bishops, Presbyters (Priests), and Deacons has the ‘magisterial authority’ to forgive and retain sin, resolve issues and questions. It was the Bishops of Jesus’s Church than canonized the Bible in 392 AD. (the same Bible we use today).
P.S. St. Ignatius was a disciple of John the Apostle and later became the Bishop of Antioch. In 107 AD, Ignatius described Jesus's Church, in his letters, as ‘universal’ and the Greek word for ‘universal’ is spelled (καθολικός) and pronounced ‘catholic’.
No disrespect, but I think it is ‘you’ who missed the message.
Amen! I’m a orthodox Christian former LDS and born raised in that false religion but now a orthodox Christian and communion is not a symbol it is the body and blood of Christ☦️Christos anesti
@@carlitobrigante404 The Bible and Book of Mormon agree - There in only one God, God and Jesus have existed for ALL Eternity, and Jesus Christ is God.
Isaiah 43:10 “Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. 11 I, I am the Lord and besides me there is no savior”.
Luke 2: 11 “for to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”.
Mosiah Chapter 15 and Moroni Chapter 8. The Father and Son are the SAME, and ETERNAL, from ETERNITY to ETERNITY, and God himself (which is Jesus) shall come down among the children.
Yet, mormons believe Smith’s crazy 1842 idea; Jesus is the ‘spiritual’ child of Elohim and heavenly mother (which means not eternal) and Lucifer is his ‘spiritual’ brother. This idea is simply the work of a ‘deceiving’ spirit..ie..Satan, thus, the mormon jesus is ‘another’ jesus, and mormons receive a different spirit, and accept a ‘different’ gospel.
The Apostle Paul warned those preaching ‘another’ Jesus, receiving a different spirit, and accepting a different gospel (such as the mormon gospel) in 2 Corinthians 11:4, and goes on to explain in verses 14 and 15; “For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
Please pray for our mormon friends.
Christianity is Jesus Loving Us
Mormonism is Us Loving Jesus
which is better according to Eric Smyth?
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m close one!
Likely the latter
Proverbs 8:17
There is more to life than Agape Love
@EricSmyth2Christ If I understand you correctly, you are saying you agree with the Mormons that it is more important to love God (I am Mormon by the way). I think Mormons take it one step further. It is not just important to love God but, in loving him, to love all people (his creation). The Evangelicals seem to stop at God loving them. God loves them so THEY are saved, THEY get eternal ease and comfort. They are happy while most people are tortured. It appears selfish.
I respect their gratitude for Gods love for them but it appears they will forget about most of mankind after this life (because most of mankind do not believe as they do).
Mormons seem to believe that the purpose of mankind is to help God fulfill his purpose which is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. This reflects love for ALL people.
Do you understand what I am saying?
I do not see the eternal love for all people in Evangelicalism. But I respect your choice to join with them because I know God will always love you in a way that actually makes sense.
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m If other humans are just creatures, made for God’s amusement, and if, as some assume, almost all us complex cockroaches are to be tortured forever, with God knowing full well this would happen, it would appear there are extremely serious questions about the character of your god.
@towardcivicliteracy I am not Evangelical. I am Mormon. I believe everyone is a child of God and almost no one will go to Hell. Those are my beliefs as taught in the LDS system. What do you believe?
So you're saying we can just sin and not keep his commandments yet we will be safe?
Bread and water rations.
rations are for prisoners
I am southern Baptist but visited lds many times and was always repulsed to see the boys tearing the bread with their hands preparing it for their sacrament. None of it looks like something done in remembrance of Him.
The tearing of the bread represents His being torn for you and I Every slap. the spitting, the awful darkness He overcame in the Garden, the whipping he took, and finally the awful nais that held his broken body to the cross, were for you and I and every sin bound soul that will come to Him and Him alone for salvation.
@@DanBurress Thank you for that explanation. I appreciate your sincerity. However, in my opinion those comparisons are misdirected. That's what should be associated with Easter. The "sacrament" or the Lord's supper which should be represented is the meal Jesus shared with His apostles. As usual, I believe the lds have taken an ordinance twisted and added something that wasn't intended. I don't wish to offend anyone but they are very good at doing just that unnecessarily to so many biblical occurrences. They continually add to something that is perfect and doesn't need restoration or retranslation.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx In every synoptic gospel and in 1 Corinthians 11 the verses say that Christ "brake" the bread before giving it to the Apostles as a symbol of his body being broken or given for them
The Greek word used is eklásen. This word comes from the Greek verb κλάω klaó which means "brake". I don't think LDS members are trying to offend anyone by showing them the way Christ properly performed the ordinance. Everyone is still entitled to their opinion but should be cognizant of which Baptist pastor gave it to them.
So Im curious, what is the biblical way to BRAKE bread for the sacrament?
@@HaleStorm49 The last supper with Jesus and His apostles was as He stated, a reminder that His body and blood lives within us. Simply that. No spitting, beating, tearing of skin, etc. Brake simply meaning He tore it apart and SHARED it with them. In the Baptist church, as in most Christian protestant churches, we have tiny pieces of unleavened baked bread smaller than a dime. Some denominations it's a bit larger along with grape juice except in the catholic church which uses wine. I don't believe lds are trying to offend, I just think they have a tendency to add what's not meant to be there. How do they know they do it properly when all He did was share some bread and wine. He didn't go into detail. There is symbolism in the Lord's supper, but He is very clear about what it is and it's only that He lives within us. I appreciate your explanation but pray that y'all come to realize adding false teaching is a mistake.
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx So why did their tearing it apart and sharing it repulse you?
Blessings and mercy aren’t merited by keeping the commandments but by agreeing to and earnestly striving to keep all of them. GLM is so desperate for a gotcha that he misunderstands what the sacrament is actually about.
You're welcome to believe that.
@@lionspawfilmandphotoThank you. I do believe that.
@user-pq8ln2yt8r - if the video misrepresented the LDS doctrine of the sacrament … then please enlighten us
Blessings and mercy aren’t merited period. We can only receive those things by grace because of Christ’s imputed righteousness.
@@BNichols021 Sure but God gives his grace and blessings to those who repent and try to keep his commandments. Romans 2:10,11.
i no long look to the praYING CLASS for any factual information
Thank you for this beautiful video, brother.
I am exmormon. I had forgotten the conflict and sorrow and despair l felt at hearing the lds sacrament prayer.
They removed the gospel by these words.
How grateful l am that God awakened me.
Ephesians 2.8-10 By grace we are saved.
Joseph 's King Follet Discourse god's are false.
To the lds, please Google it
and compare to Isaiah 43.10.11
Isaiah 44.6-8, Isaiah 45.5,
Isaiah 9.6
John 1.1-3, John 1.14
May God awaken many, many lds to the true Biblical Christ!
The prayer is just a chance for the leader of the congregation to show authority. I have been in meetings where they have made a shy 16 year old repeat the prayer 8 times. Then the leader must take first. So all young Decons are waiting on him. It’s just an ego flex . Nothing to do with Christ
It literally is not. The bishop gets nothing from making it be said again and the bishop is a servant of his congregation. Spending hours listening to the woes of the people during appointments that they voluntarily ask for, conducting funerals and giving blessings and visiting members in need. Some even regularly do yard work or teach classes on top of their full time jobs separate from church.
A bishops job is to serve their community.
Asking politely that someone reread a paragraph with a specific message to god is so unproblematic it’s bizarre to me that you take issue with that.
@@brookebennett6006 agreed, bishops are some of the best people I've ever met. my current bishop literally sliced his hand in half by accident when remodeling his house, and the first thing he did when he was cleared by doctors was to help a family in my neighborhood(not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) do yard work and take stuff to the DI to help them move after a divorce. He couldn't lift boxes and furniture, but he went in and did what he could to help people he barely knew.
Yep, these cultists can't agree on their nonsense, and not a single one of them can show that their silly version is any better than the rest. Jesus promised that his true followers would be able to do miracles like him, to get any prayer answered, etc. Curious how not a single one of these Christians can do that.
who are you referring too? mormons, Evangelicals?
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m all of those who claim to follow jesus christ. They are all quite the frauds.
@@velkyn1who do you agree with?
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m none. You are all frauds.
As a Mormon, here’s two things the church gets wrong with Sacrament:
1) As mentioned, we stopped using wine. It’s in our ‘Word of Wisdom’ and our scriptures to use wine, but because of the prohibition, they stopped. In fact, the Word of Wisdom says we should make our own wine, which is a beautiful symbol and process we’re missing out on.
2) it doesn’t renew baptismal covenants. In that case, we should just do a rebaptism. Sacrament is all together different, but baptism precedes it.
Unfortunately, there’s a difference between ‘the church’ today and the ‘ Restoration’ through Joseph.
I’ll add: Because of the church, I take Sacrament with bread and wine at home with other like minded Mormons.
Deacons don't say the prayer. Priest aged 16 and up say the prayer. lol
Yes! Someone else told me that. Whoops!! I'll pin a comment in a bit with that correction-thanks for pointing that out.
Why is God worthy of worship?
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,God is worthy of worship simply because we owe all we have to Him who has created all things and has given us the only path to salvation through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us.
@DanBurress As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I agree. Jesus has saved me. But with the restored gospel, I have learned that, more importantly, Jesus has saved all mankind who believe in him and will let them choose who they want to become during and after this life. I choose to think celestial and other people don't. But the Savior is merciful and loves all others as much as he loves me.
mormons teach salvation by works. salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast.
Bruh, read the Book of James 😂
@@gator_bait_8583 I've read James multiple times. NOthing in there about salvation by works.
Be DOERS of the word, not hearers only, a doer of the work. Grace and Salvation aren't a one time event. It's all about becoming as Jesus Christ :) even Jesus said, If ye love me, keep my commandments.
@@gator_bait_8583 salvation is not by works. Initial salvation is not by works. You need to come to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior. Once saved always saved is a one time event. Therefore accept reality Mormons are not saved and are bound for the lake of fire. They refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated so they belong eternally separated from God. Your self righteousness has put you in this hostile position against God.
@@Parture Matthew 24:13, enduring to the end entails a lifelong pursuit and process after receiving the knowledge of and accepting the gifts and blessings of the Atonement (which includes the Cross and Gethsemane, for without Gethsemane He wouldn't know our sins and pains and how to succor His people, the Cross to complete the work of His Father, "It is finished"). Knowing and believing and accepting Christ as your personal Savior is a vital and important step, but what happens afterwards according to our choices to follow Him are what grow us spiritually.
Faith in Jesus Christ, baptism by immersion (as He was), the gift of the Holy Ghost, as He received, and endure to the end. He marked the path because He is the path.
I believe that it truly doesn't matter. It's all about what it represents, it being a cracker and a coke, it's to symbolize the last supper...imagine you live in a place with no wine, or (fruit of the vine) and also no bread... how to take communion...well water and a cracker or a potato chip and coke. This isnt a big deal in my opinion
I can not rest until each of you hear my perspective in being a Mormon. When I take of the sacrament, I am not thinking about how the liquid should be wine or the bread should be unleavened. Those are things YOU focus on as GLM Evangelicals and I do NOT admire your focus.
I think about Jesus Christ and his sacrifice for ME and YOU. He died for us so that we may be forgiven of our sins and live again. Jesus is everything for me because he is everything for everyone. He is our Savior and we are saved only through him. Anything beyond that, you do not even try to understand so I won't go there.
It is heartbreaking that you discredit what means so much to me, that being how I see Christ as the Savior of the world. I know he lives and loves you and I.
This will make a lot of people mad, I was raised a Latter-day Saints, I'm pioneer stock, my grandparents crossed the plains in the snow. They did all that for something they truly believed...they are Christians. If anything, they talk of Christ and Him crucified more than Evangelicals do. I go to an Evangelical Assembly of God, and Christ is barely mentioned and some there say Mormons go to hell...which is a lie. Mainstream christians are lukewarm, Mormon Christians are not. They show they're saved by grace, mainstream say they're saved by grace. Evangelical churches everything costs, come to our congregation dinner (5$ a plate), Mormons it's free just bring a dish. The Bible says The Church as a body, takes care of their own and those outside the church; Evangelicals don't or say they can't (not in budget) Mormons do it because of the grace of God
thank you for understanding. My biggest hang up from GLM and Apologia Utah is that they spend so much of their time bashing the Mormons and everyone not like them instead of trying to understand them.
I am Mormon. I realize my belief system isn't perfect, the Bible and Book of Mormon are not perfect, even prophets are not perfect. But the main truth I learn from the LDS church is the everyone is a child of God and I will forever try and treat everyone as such!
There is no one I admire more that someone who uses their beliefs for good in the world. That being said, there is no one I respect more than an Atheist who lives his or her life for the betterment of future generations knowing he or she won't even exsist when those future generations are around.
All I see from Evangelicals is that THEY are saved and THEY get happiness. THEY benefit from the Atonement while most people will endure eternal torture for a fallible understanding of God in this fallible life. It is antisemitism if I dare say so.
iF there is anything I know, it is YOU are a loved child of God. And I dont even know you.
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
Praying for your soul.
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m
So much nonsensical nonsense. I’m sorry you’re that far lost. I hope you find Jesus one day.
I don't get your point. When you compare the LDS sacrament to Christianity, what exactly do you mean? There are tens of thousands of differing denominations in bible based religion. And no two of them are exactly alike. So there is no benchmark in "Christianity" to which to align in any measure or ordinance. They are all over the place like the falling of Babylon.
@jeffwilson4693 - are you saying Christian denominations = “all over the place like the falling of Babylon”? So LDS are not a Christians? Or are you saying that LDS are the only true Christians?
You do know there are many denominations of Mormonism right? Even within the Mormon church people are “all over the place” with regard to beliefs.
So quit trying to pretend like the Christian churches are all jacked up while the LDS church is perfect. When you talk like that, you sound self-righteous, or ignorant of your own church.
@@zmig7793 I'm just pointing out the truth. When bible based religionists like the man in the video talk about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, he is talking about one Church, not the apostates or breakaways. But when the same person talks about Christianity in comparison, he is referring to the tens of thousands of differing denominations in bible based religion. I don't make that distinction. He does, as if he speaks for all of bible based religion. In fact all of bible based religion is at odds with the Bible because all the denominations in bible based religions differ from one another to one degree or another. Therefore they each teach a different God, Christ, and gospel from one another. So bible based religion. or traditional Christianity is comprised of tens of thousands of different Gods, Christs, and gospels. Seeing that the Bible teaches one God, Christ, and gospel. Then the tradition of Christianity or bible based religion is a giant falsehood or hoax. It is a marketplace of counterfeiters, a fact to which the bible stands in silent testimony.
@@jeffwilson4693 - I’ll ask my question again. Are LDS Christians? If so, is LDS just another denomination of Christianity? Or are you saying all those denominations are not Christians, but that the LDS are the only “true” Christians?
Bible-based Christian denominations differ in practice but not in doctrines related to salvation. You are mis-informed to think that they all teach a different god, Christ, and gospel.
LDS God - used to be a man with flesh and bones who became a God eternally married to his wife/wives and bore spirit children to populate his world. (not found in the Bible)
LDS Jesus - brother of satan, literally the son of God as in Jesus is a created being, who has become a God too somehow even though there’s no evidence of Jesus adhering to Mormonism. (not found in the Bible)
LDS gospel - read the BoM … Joseph smith translated it (no he didn’t) and the Holy Ghost will testify to you that the BoM is true. If true then you can know Joseph was a true prophet of god and you should follow him and all his teachings since he speaks for god. Jesus died so that you can be resurrected and IF you obey the church, then you can live in a better heaven than those who didn’t. (not found in the Bible)
Since you know that your belief system is unbiblical, then you have to believe the indoctrinated view of Christianity implanted in your brain since you were a child that they all believe different things about God, Jesus, and the Gospel. This is how you justify your unbiblical belief … you either have to tear down the Bible and make people believe it’s not reliable, or you have to tear down all the churches that believe in the Bible. Once those systems are torn down, then you can replace and implement your own belief system … and this is in fact was Jospeh and all his predecessors did and continue to do.
Are LDS Christians and one of the Christian denominations? I would like an answer please.
@@zmig7793 LDS is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. God himself and his Angels restored his true Church thru Joseph Smith who is the prophet of the restoration. What parades as Christianity in the tens of thousands of bible based denominations is essentially cosplay or a marketplace of biblical counterfeiters. That is why God restored his true Church, so as to fulfill his plan of salvation for mankind.
@@jeffwilson4693 - Got it! So all Mormon denominations are apostates, and all Christian denominations are cosplay and biblical counterfeiters!? Only the Brigham Young denomination of LDS that you belong to are the “real” Christians.
What IF you learned that LDS believes in doctrines not taught in the Bible? What IF you learned that there are LDS doctrine that directly contradict the Bible? Would you say that the LDS church is like all those other so-called Christian churches? I’m “obviously” speaking hypothetically. I think you already revealed your confirmation bias but now I’m just curious about your intellectual integrity. Would you treat the LDS church the same as you treat these apostate counterfeit churches IF in fact the LDS church is guilty of the things you say the Christian churches are guilty of?
If you don’t want to carry on this conversation … the I get it. Thanks for the back and forth.
GLM says communion is the sign of the new covenant but what is required from partakers in that covenant? He preaches his false gospel again proclaiming that “Christians” do these things for different reasons than the Latter Day Saints. But Latter Day Saints have a more correct way of following Jesus Christ than he does.
If it's not done the way Christ commanded, and not done for the reason he gave, how can it in any way be a 'more correct way' of following Jesus Christ?
So you do it differently than Jesus said it, but it’s more correct?
@@BNichols021 In what way do Latter Day Saints do things differently than what Jesus Christ said?
i now get all my celestial info from NASA (space agency) far more reliable and up to date.
EARLY CHRISTIANS USE WATER AND WINE MIXED, OTHERS USED JUST PLAIN WINE. OTHER JUST A DROP OF WINE MIXED WITH WATER. THIS GUY IS AGAIN IGNORANT OF REAL CHRISTIANITY.
quick, everyone listen to michael parks about true christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yet nowhere did you mention early Christians using no wine at all
@@RealHorhayI went to school at a Catholic elementry school and studied at a Catholic Abbey for young men becoming Catholic priests, The library had a copy of every Christian document for the first 500 years of Christianity . I also had a copy of every known communion prayer over the sacrament, for the first few centuries of Christianity, because I did a study on it. . I have degrees in biblical studies. and you?
@@BNichols021 Half the Early Christians from he seconf century on believe to this day that the bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Jesus. Others simply believe the substance is symbolic. while other do not require wine but grape juice. While others like Mormons once used wine but went to water since wine is chenically produced. To say Mormons are not Christians because the stopped using wine ( which Mormons say they will use in the Millinium) is ignornat. and dishonest.
@@michaelparks5669nobody said that this is what disqualifies Mormons from being Christians. This video is just saying that Mormon sacrament is not in line with the biblical / historic Christian practice of communion