The difference between rumple and pans abandonment is not only was rumple influenced but, he also instantly regretted it and spent his entire life trying to find him to make up for it. Pan showed no remorse and could’ve been with his son the entire time nothing was in his way.
also i think rumpel was worried about when he used a bean with his father when he made the decision to not go with baelfire. he was terrified he would follow in his father's footsteps which made him hesitate and caused him to lose baelfire, exactly what he was afraid would happen. baelfire unknowingly triggered rumpel's ptsd
Remember when Rumple cut off Hooks hand and got real mad when it turned out that wasn't the hand with the bean? It was the "Follow The Lady" trick Malcolm used to do!
This was such a fun episode to see you react to, Jessie 🤣 so funny! I have been looking forward to this reveal! Fun fact: Pan's shadow was voiced by Marilyn Manson. This show always has perfect casting even for something so frivolous 🤣 also a person I never would have expected to be a part of the cast on this show in a million years LOL I so can't wait for this mid-season finale! It's getting so close and I'm so excited to see how you reacted 😂
Think Lovely Thoughts- Thank you for another fun reaction! This huge twist with Pan turning out to be Rumple's father all along is amazing! I enjoy this episode that is known to be among most fans' favorite episodes. However, it isn't one of my favorites from this season, all because of Henry's actions and naivety to believe in Pan over his own parents after everything he's been through. However, this episode does have one of the show's biggest twists in it, when Pan is revealed to be Rumplestiltskin's father. I love that I didn't see this twist coming at all. And I really love this twist! :) Now... I really, really enjoy the overall storylines for both the present day and in the backstory, when we finally get to know Rumple as a young boy and how he winds up living with the spinsters after his father abandoned him, as Rumple talks about having been raised by two spinsters at various times throughout seasons one and two. However, I am just very, vey disappointed in the ending because Henry foolishly falls for Pan's lies and trusts him over both of his mothers and his father, especially after they plead with him to believe in them like they believe in him. That they love him. This really bothers me so much. It makes me dislike how Henry is written during this Neverland arc. I still love him of course throughout the rest of the seasons, but this Neverland arc really takes away from what I love about him a bit, and it makes me really wish that so much of the focus from this arc isn't so centered around Henry and Pan. Like is said back in episodes one and two of this season... Neverland is a place where imangination runs wild and it is unpredictable. As seen in Lost Girl... Neverland causes Emma to feel weary and unsure of herself, just as it does to Rumple, Henry, and everyone else too. However, it doesn't make someone loopy or incapble of making smart decisions that go against Pan and the island. We've seeen this because the heroes have been constantly continuing to defy Pan and seek to leave Neverland. You just have to be brave and strong enough to resist Neverland's pull. And until these last two episodes, Henry been doing just fine resisting Pan's and the island's influences. Henry hasn't believed much of anything Pan's been telling him until the previous episode... Dark Hollow. So for Henry to turn against his parents and to suddenly trust so completely in Pan... it's just really dumb to me. And this ending is why I am not such a fan of this episode like most other fans of this show love it as one of their favorites. In spite of the phenomenal twist with Pan turning out to be Rumple's father all along. Henry makes me angry above all else. Henry goes back and forth between liking magic and hating it a little too much for me, and the fact that he is willing to sacrifice his life with his family all there for him, even upon believing Pan when he told Henry all he would have to sacrifice was going back home, when last season Henry was prepared to destroy magic with a stick of dynamite... makes me mad. And Pan keeps telling Henry he doesn't lie, and yet Pan has lied to Henry a lot. And Henry has caught Pan in several lies. Pan is very convincing and and coniving, and Henry is still just an eleven year old boy, so I suppose I do somewhat understand his naivety just a little bit. Just not enough to not let his foolish decision make me feel a little upset with him. Outside of this main storyline... I really love how Emma encourages Mary Margaret to have hope that a way for David to leave Neverland can be found, when Mary Margaret is usually the one giving the hope speeches. And more so, I love the moment between Emma and Hook when Emma asks him if there's anything more he can do to help her find a way to help David. I love Hook's remark after Emma first approaches him and states they need to talk, as Hook answers, "I've found that when a woman says that, I'm rarely in for pleasant conversation." So funny, and such a Hook thing to say. And I also love the moment Rumple steals Hook's sword and begins to tease Hook about how his looks could fail him, then David continues to mock Hook as he tosses Hook the dagger saying that its for in case his good looks fail him. Brilliant, and so funny! I am sad that Hook isn't in this episode more than he was, but I also understand why this episode is focused so much more on Rumple, Pan, Emma, Regina, and Neal, with them being the parents. Not all episodes can be focused on Hook, as sad as that is. Ha! Ha! Ha! :) As for Rumple's role throughout this episode... I like the brief moment where he begrudgingly agrees to help David with the cure for the cure after Neal sternly tells him to help without a price attached. But more so, I really enjoy the scene he has with Pan inside Skull Rock, when Pan uses his old card trick to steal the real Pandora's Box from Rumple in another twist I didn't expect and that is very cleverly done. Sadly, Pan traps Rumple inside the box instead of Rumple doing so to Pan. I also really love how Emma is clever to come up with the idea to create an eclipse over the moon so they can hide their shadows in order to be able to break through Pan's barrier spell, and that Emma and Regina combine their powers together to do so. Brilliant once again! This twist though with Pan being Rumple's father... definitely one of the biggest twists in the show. Not my favorite twists, but it is certainly huge. And I also love that we learn Rumple had named the straw doll he has had in his possession all this time, Peter Pan, which is Pan's reason for calling himself Peter Pan. Very nice. As for Pan rarely leaving Neverland... we don't see him do so very often like we know him to do in Disney's, Peter Pan and all other versions of Peter Pan. Pan doesn't leave often most likely because the magic of Neverland is all that is protecting him from changing back into and adult and him losing his belief. However, we do see Pan away from Neverland back in episode four... Nasty Habits when Pan comes out to create his band of Lost Boys. And I like this a lot too. Oh... and something you might find interesting, even though you find the Shadow to be creepy... the Shadow is voiced by musician, Marilyn Manson, which is why his voice is so dark and eerie. While I personally really don't like Marilyn Manson at all, I think he was a great choice to voice the Shadow. I get chills whenever the Shadow speaks. Overall... this episode is good. :) All that really bothers me is Henry's attitude towards his parents, Pan, and his belief in magic this season so far because it has been strange and out of character for him. He's very wishy washy, and I really hate that in any character. But nonetheless, I still really enjoy this episode. Thank you again, Jessie!! I look forward to the next episode. Until next time... SIncerely, Heidi
and there were a lot of similarities in rumpel's reaction to learning they were going to face pan and regina's reactions to learning Cora was on her way
you know I think it would have worked better if, after Henry was told by his family they believe in him and love him, he has this realisation that "wait... maybe they're right", but before he can voice it, Pan notices his shift in belief and grabs his hand to forcefully plug henry's heart inside him. Maybe there's a reason that's given later in the show as to why it had to be Henry fully doing it, but I think it's after this ep I stopped watching the show for one reason or the other x) Or I guess make it even more obvious that Henry has been fully manipulated by Pan that he'd trust him over his family, with a few more scenes showing Pan's warping Henry's beliefs
I agree, I ultimately understood how and why they got to this point, but at first it was a bit frustrating because I couldn’t wrap my head around why Henry would go against his family.
The difference between rumple and pans abandonment is not only was rumple influenced but, he also instantly regretted it and spent his entire life trying to find him to make up for it. Pan showed no remorse and could’ve been with his son the entire time nothing was in his way.
yes, Unlike at Peter Pan, rumple has always had of remorse for have abandoned his first child baelfire
also i think rumpel was worried about when he used a bean with his father when he made the decision to not go with baelfire. he was terrified he would follow in his father's footsteps which made him hesitate and caused him to lose baelfire, exactly what he was afraid would happen. baelfire unknowingly triggered rumpel's ptsd
The shadow doesn’t “belong” to anyone it’s not a shadow in a traditional sense, it’s a magic entity that manifests as a shadow
Remember when Rumple cut off Hooks hand and got real mad when it turned out that wasn't the hand with the bean? It was the "Follow The Lady" trick Malcolm used to do!
Malcolm is Rumple's Dad's name by the way...
This was such a fun episode to see you react to, Jessie 🤣 so funny! I have been looking forward to this reveal! Fun fact: Pan's shadow was voiced by Marilyn Manson. This show always has perfect casting even for something so frivolous 🤣 also a person I never would have expected to be a part of the cast on this show in a million years LOL I so can't wait for this mid-season finale! It's getting so close and I'm so excited to see how you reacted 😂
Marilyn Manson 🤣😂
@@jessiedobbiereactions right? Sounds funny on the surface but when you think about it, it was genius casting hahaha
the family tree is not so horrible... for now 😂
yeah it puts things into perspective to just say that peter pan is the good parent in rumpel's family
Missing your reactions. I wish they were more frequent 😥
I’m going to try and do more! The new show edits slow me down 😕
Think Lovely Thoughts- Thank you for another fun reaction! This huge twist with Pan turning out to be Rumple's father all along is amazing! I enjoy this episode that is known to be among most fans' favorite episodes. However, it isn't one of my favorites from this season, all because of Henry's actions and naivety to believe in Pan over his own parents after everything he's been through. However, this episode does have one of the show's biggest twists in it, when Pan is revealed to be Rumplestiltskin's father. I love that I didn't see this twist coming at all. And I really love this twist! :)
Now... I really, really enjoy the overall storylines for both the present day and in the backstory, when we finally get to know Rumple as a young boy and how he winds up living with the spinsters after his father abandoned him, as Rumple talks about having been raised by two spinsters at various times throughout seasons one and two.
However, I am just very, vey disappointed in the ending because Henry foolishly falls for Pan's lies and trusts him over both of his mothers and his father, especially after they plead with him to believe in them like they believe in him. That they love him. This really bothers me so much. It makes me dislike how Henry is written during this Neverland arc. I still love him of course throughout the rest of the seasons, but this Neverland arc really takes away from what I love about him a bit, and it makes me really wish that so much of the focus from this arc isn't so centered around Henry and Pan.
Like is said back in episodes one and two of this season... Neverland is a place where imangination runs wild and it is unpredictable. As seen in Lost Girl... Neverland causes Emma to feel weary and unsure of herself, just as it does to Rumple, Henry, and everyone else too. However, it doesn't make someone loopy or incapble of making smart decisions that go against Pan and the island. We've seeen this because the heroes have been constantly continuing to defy Pan and seek to leave Neverland. You just have to be brave and strong enough to resist Neverland's pull. And until these last two episodes, Henry been doing just fine resisting Pan's and the island's influences. Henry hasn't believed much of anything Pan's been telling him until the previous episode... Dark Hollow. So for Henry to turn against his parents and to suddenly trust so completely in Pan... it's just really dumb to me. And this ending is why I am not such a fan of this episode like most other fans of this show love it as one of their favorites. In spite of the phenomenal twist with Pan turning out to be Rumple's father all along. Henry makes me angry above all else.
Henry goes back and forth between liking magic and hating it a little too much for me, and the fact that he is willing to sacrifice his life with his family all there for him, even upon believing Pan when he told Henry all he would have to sacrifice was going back home, when last season Henry was prepared to destroy magic with a stick of dynamite... makes me mad. And Pan keeps telling Henry he doesn't lie, and yet Pan has lied to Henry a lot. And Henry has caught Pan in several lies. Pan is very convincing and and coniving, and Henry is still just an eleven year old boy, so I suppose I do somewhat understand his naivety just a little bit. Just not enough to not let his foolish decision make me feel a little upset with him.
Outside of this main storyline... I really love how Emma encourages Mary Margaret to have hope that a way for David to leave Neverland can be found, when Mary Margaret is usually the one giving the hope speeches.
And more so, I love the moment between Emma and Hook when Emma asks him if there's anything more he can do to help her find a way to help David. I love Hook's remark after Emma first approaches him and states they need to talk, as Hook answers, "I've found that when a woman says that, I'm rarely in for pleasant conversation." So funny, and such a Hook thing to say. And I also love the moment Rumple steals Hook's sword and begins to tease Hook about how his looks could fail him, then David continues to mock Hook as he tosses Hook the dagger saying that its for in case his good looks fail him. Brilliant, and so funny!
I am sad that Hook isn't in this episode more than he was, but I also understand why this episode is focused so much more on Rumple, Pan, Emma, Regina, and Neal, with them being the parents. Not all episodes can be focused on Hook, as sad as that is. Ha! Ha! Ha! :)
As for Rumple's role throughout this episode... I like the brief moment where he begrudgingly agrees to help David with the cure for the cure after Neal sternly tells him to help without a price attached. But more so, I really enjoy the scene he has with Pan inside Skull Rock, when Pan uses his old card trick to steal the real Pandora's Box from Rumple in another twist I didn't expect and that is very cleverly done. Sadly, Pan traps Rumple inside the box instead of Rumple doing so to Pan.
I also really love how Emma is clever to come up with the idea to create an eclipse over the moon so they can hide their shadows in order to be able to break through Pan's barrier spell, and that Emma and Regina combine their powers together to do so. Brilliant once again!
This twist though with Pan being Rumple's father... definitely one of the biggest twists in the show. Not my favorite twists, but it is certainly huge. And I also love that we learn Rumple had named the straw doll he has had in his possession all this time, Peter Pan, which is Pan's reason for calling himself Peter Pan. Very nice.
As for Pan rarely leaving Neverland... we don't see him do so very often like we know him to do in Disney's, Peter Pan and all other versions of Peter Pan. Pan doesn't leave often most likely because the magic of Neverland is all that is protecting him from changing back into and adult and him losing his belief. However, we do see Pan away from Neverland back in episode four... Nasty Habits when Pan comes out to create his band of Lost Boys. And I like this a lot too.
Oh... and something you might find interesting, even though you find the Shadow to be creepy... the Shadow is voiced by musician, Marilyn Manson, which is why his voice is so dark and eerie. While I personally really don't like Marilyn Manson at all, I think he was a great choice to voice the Shadow. I get chills whenever the Shadow speaks.
Overall... this episode is good. :) All that really bothers me is Henry's attitude towards his parents, Pan, and his belief in magic this season so far because it has been strange and out of character for him. He's very wishy washy, and I really hate that in any character. But nonetheless, I still really enjoy this episode. Thank you again, Jessie!! I look forward to the next episode. Until next time...
SIncerely,
Heidi
and there were a lot of similarities in rumpel's reaction to learning they were going to face pan and regina's reactions to learning Cora was on her way
I think Henry was brain washed by Peter Pan since he met him, he worked his mind to have what he wanted.
I agree, he was working on him the whole time.
you know I think it would have worked better if, after Henry was told by his family they believe in him and love him, he has this realisation that "wait... maybe they're right", but before he can voice it, Pan notices his shift in belief and grabs his hand to forcefully plug henry's heart inside him. Maybe there's a reason that's given later in the show as to why it had to be Henry fully doing it, but I think it's after this ep I stopped watching the show for one reason or the other x)
Or I guess make it even more obvious that Henry has been fully manipulated by Pan that he'd trust him over his family, with a few more scenes showing Pan's warping Henry's beliefs
I agree, I ultimately understood how and why they got to this point, but at first it was a bit frustrating because I couldn’t wrap my head around why Henry would go against his family.