Judaism at the Time of Jesus Expected a Divine Messiah!
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2023
- Based on the work done by Rabbi Paul Drach in his book "l"Harmonie Entre l"Eglise et la Synagogue", an analysis of Talmudic writings.
All of the citations are from a single chapter from Drach's lengthy and dense book. That chapter can be read at : blog.siftj.org/december-10-20.... In it you will find all of the Talmud, Midrash, Targunim citations.
Thank you so much for all your videos! I am a converted Jewish lady to Catholicism. I learn so much from your talks! God Bless!!!
Deo gratias per Mariam sine macula originali conceptam et Reginam pacis ac amoris et vos quoque ❤❤❤
This talk was a great gift!
Simeon's prophecy and what He told Mary at the presentation of Jesus in the temple also predicts what the Jews would think of Jesus. Jesus fulfills all prophecy. Praise God! I pray that the Jews be loosed from the spirit of Antichrist in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and through his blood shed on the cross. Happy Hannukah and Happy Advent. Thank you, Roy! I always enjoy your teachings.
Romans 11 makes it clear that "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day...Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved" (Rom 11:8, 25-26). So I would not say that it is the spirit of the antichrist, but rather God's plan, at work. That said, the prayers are nonetheless needed! God Bless, Roy
@@JewishCatholicSimeon most likely was Hillel’s son and Gamaliel’s father. Not a coincidence that Talmud does not even mention him if I can recall
Wonderful! Thank you.
Marvellous! May the Lord bless you and keep you, Roy.
There’s also the matter of prophetic timing given to Daniel. Israel was due! See how those excited young men in John 1 were triggered by their quest.
If Jews read the Gospels, and Christians read the Midrashim, wow, we’d have a lot to discuss.
But it would take a Buddhist to understand why Nathaniel said,
“Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are the King of Israel!” simply for being spotted under a sycamore fig.
I never liked the idea that the Jewish people were only expecting a military leader to overthrow the Romans (and of course they hoped for that too), but it kind of means God didn't teach them correctly as to who was to arrive.
This is the first video I’ve found of yours and I’m blown away! Thank you, Roy!
Changing LORD to Jesus - I never thought of that!
I recall Brant Pitee in his book, the Case for Jesus, also shows that many Jews thought thta the 1st century is when th M3ssiaj Son of David is going to come.
Interesting, how did most of the Religious authorities not see Jesus fulfilled all the scriptures. Only the few apostles, disciples, received him.
Without special grace, it's hard to look at a man and see Him as God. Easier to see him as a miracle worker, perhaps making use of the black arts.
Thankyou Roy, enjoying your talks. Even though you won’t be coming to Pantasaph (Wales) again we can follow your teachings on line. With the confusion in the church re magisterial teachings is it wise to mention the pious wondering that Mary Immaculate was conceived through a chaste embrace between Joachim and Anne? Keeping you before the Lord. Sr Margaret
Thanks for saying hi! I wish I were coming back to Pantasaph!
I really don't care about placating the contemporary de-miracle-ization within the Church. God is God; He is more than capable of doing anything He wants. I am citing it as a pious belief, not as a fact. God Bless, Roy
Sam shamoun pointed this out on one of his videos debating a Muslim..very interesting
You’re brilliant. Love your channel!
Thank you Roy, I was one of those people who misunderstood this. I am so very grateful for your faithful teaching
Rita Heisey
Thank you for this perspective, Roy!
I like the idea that when God in Genesis says "Let there be light," God is referring to physical light, but he is also referring to Jesus, the "light of the world." It could be that the rest of the Bible is just the playing out of this third verse in the Bible, "God said 'Let there be light'."
I’ve heard also the interpretation of when at that moment God is creating all the angels. Because in a sense the verse makes us believe this light is being created and as we know and accept The Word has always existed.
Thank you, so much. I love your teachings and for many decades have wished a Jewish convert to Catholicism would teach us.
Fascinating.
Thank yoy Roy, That was beautiful and so enlightening.
Would you ever think of putting an expanded version in book form?
It takes so long to write a book, and get it published, that for better or for worse I've switched to video...
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Thank you Roy, I'll jusr have ti sit down and transcribe what you say as the written word is so much easier to reference but it will be worth it.
I think youtube will automatically generate a transcript for you. You would probably have to clean it up, but still a lot easier.
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Excellent, thank you Roy.
Is Rabbi Drach’s book available in English translation?
I do not believe so. There is a Spanish translation, that's all I know of.
Thanks Roy but not surprised
John first chapter
Great video.!
Deo gracias!
Good to listen the word mystery that makes me automatically remember that I am a creature that will never achieve the God’s purpose.
Then this spiritual feeling brings me peace of mind to try to be ready.
Isaiah 53 Roy. You can argue with the Frummies until the cows come here
But they can't argue with the
מלון בן - יהודה pg.171:
Maiden, n./Maidenhood, n. 'בתולה' - virgin AND 'עלמה' - maiden and 'בתולים' - virginity/maidenhead respectively.
Or is it perhaps that the frumsters see Abraham's Sarah conception of Isaac is the תנ"ך standard as per miracle births go?!
frummies?
Jewish slang for religiously observant Jews (i.e. that keep the Jewish laws).
Can you link to the sources …
Sure. They are all given in Drach's book -- here is an upload of the 11 pages from which all are taken: blog.siftj.org/december-10-2023-judaisms-understanding-of-the-divinity-of-the-messiah-from-rabbi-paul-drachs-de-lharmonie-entre-leglise-et-la-synagogue-vol-ii-pp-387-397
I think you are right, as they thought John the baptist was the Messiah. As a Jewish person, I always wanted to ask, "in the Isaiah verse which says that Jesus was going to be called "mighty God" do Jews today who are still waiting for the Messiah think that it is God himself who is going to come, or do Jews understand the meaning of the Hebrew word "Elohim " ?
Psalm 110
Rabbi Tovia Singer likes to dispute these plain facts
He is not entirely honest (understatement!) when he cites either Catholic doctrine OR Hebrew texts.
@@JewishCatholic Dr. Michael L Brown has debated him and always wins.
You don't learn this stuff in seminary! Wow!
Do you have a podcast 😊
I only have this almost-daily livestream. If you can tell me how to turn it into a podcast, I'm all ears. God Bless, Roy
Judea Roy
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I have read both volumes of Drach's Harmonie. Don't you think his two main theses, that pre-Christian Judaism believed in the Trinity and the future incarnation of the Divinity in the Messiah (and specifically the "second light", or the second ה in the Tetragram) rest too strongly in the purported antiquity that cabalists atribute to the cabala? I remeber as well Drach being at times too optimist in his interpretation of the texts, and, even if they were truly as old as he thinks, I wonder to what extent the text selection represents a general view within pre-Christian Judaism or just a tendency or school.
I don't mean to discredit Drach's work by this. It is a very wonderful piece of work written with utmost erudition, and quite worthwhile reading to get acquainted with some real harmony. I just wonder how far does the harmony really go.
The vast majority of his citations, at least from what I have read of his, are from the Talmud/Midrashim/Targunim. I don't think I use any of his from the Cabala. Besides which, whether the Jewish belief is from the time of Christ or the early middle ages, it nonetheless reflects Jewish beliefs which today are denied to have ever existed.
@@JewishCatholic I remember lots and lots of cabalistic passages, which is not a criticism, but they'd have been written down after the Talmudic period (which certainly doesn't exclude greater antiquity in their content necessarily). But anyways, you probably know much better than I to what degree the interpretations Drach proves as historically held, at least by some, are denied today, and this is no little thing.
@@JewishCatholicYou should do video on Rabbinical Jewish beliefs that Islam is closer in beliefs than Christianity. My wife’s orthodox uncle just repeated the same nonsense yesterday to me
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Jesus did conquer the Romans. He just did it without force. In a vision he softened the heart of Constantine. St Helena "brought Him" to Rome. I love this channel it is so WRONG to disassociate Christ from Judaism. He IS Judaism.
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Hi Roy, there's video of Ben Shapiro making the exact claim you mentioned that he was at least taught regarding the messiah never claiming to be divine. Just type on youtube "Ben Shapiro loses his first debate!? | Historical Evidence for Jesus being God | William Lane Craig". It's a fascinating discussion...it clearly shows that perhaps Ben is not aware of Judaism at the time of Jesus.
ישוע יהוה ינמי 👑👑👑 ש.
I think you can say HaShem, and most will know that it refers to YHVH.
I am under the impression that the circumlocution HaShem is only known in the Jewish, not Catholic, community.
@@JewishCatholic certainly it's not a term we use, but most of us know of it. At any rate, you're the boss, just occurred to me as an option instead of the protestant version of the name. 👍
@@JewishCatholic As a Catholic I do know what HaShem means but only because I studied Judaism with the Orthodox Community. I have a Chumash, Rashi's commentary, the prayerbooks, etc. Most Catholics do not know so I think when you used "Jehovah" it was a better choice to grab their understanding.
@@JewishCatholicI know it, but, my YT tastes are very catholic as well as being more narrowly Catholic.
@@JewishCatholicHow about "Yahweh"?
1 The Messiah is the King. 2. The King is the Holy one of Israel. 3. The Holy one of Israel is God. 4. Therefore, the Messiah is none other than God Himself!
1. Messiah is the king.
• (2 Sam 7:16) And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established forever.
• (ISA 9:7) He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore.
• (ISA 44:6) “This is what the LORD says- Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Holy one of the Israel is the King.
• (ISIAH 43:15) I am the LORD, your Holy One, Creator of Israel, and your King."
• (Psalm 89:18) For the LORD is our defense; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.
• (ISIAH 24:23) Then the moon shall blush, and the sun shall be ashamed, when Jehovah of Hosts shall reign in Mount Zion, in Jerusalem, and gloriously before His elders.
2. The holy one of Israel is God.
• (Isiah 1:4), Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the LORD, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are utterly estranged.
• (Isiah 48:17) Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am the LORD your God, who teaches you to profit, who leads you by the way you should go.”
• (2 Kings 19:22) Whom have you reproached and blasphemed? against whom have you raised your voice, and haughtily lifted up your eyes? Against the Holy One of Israel!
• (Isiah 5: Therefore, as the fire devoured the stubble, and the flame consumes the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
• (ISA 47:4) As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
• (ISIAH 43:15) I am the LORD, your Holy One, Creator of Israel, and your King."
• (Psalm 89:18) For the LORD is our defense; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.
• (ISIAH 60:19) The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.