The video is great and I also love the deep explanations, but for future videos could you also show the stats by pressing C(Details) so we can know why there are some high differences in power surge damage (you're getting 2.9~3.1k per proc with no buffs and ur PS is 853, so your damage increased is around 703% in total which seems extremely high) (Please press Read more) Since you did not respond I decided to run the math myself PSI: 853 PSG DMG: -30+20+25+25 = 40% STS DMG: 20+3.6+20+4.8+12+3.6+20+25 = 109% EMT DMG: 8+18+8+20+6.4+4.8+6.4+4.8+6.4+4.8+24+8 = 119.6% Dmg ag Ne:6+4+10+10+8+6+6 = 50% (no bulls-eye or fortress warfare nor deviation buffs and the same food buffs as the test at the very start of the video with full-stack armor buffs and stuff) Formula: PSI/2 * PSG DMG * STS DMG * EMT DMG * Dmg ag Ne = 426.5*1.4*2.09*2.196*1.5 = 4110.7 (rounded to 4111) So this video is legit and correct and if you are wondering why your damage is weaker it is probably due to low damage against normal enemies or you did not stack any armor stacks Im still not sure how it was doing 4221 not 4111 but the difference isn't that great and it could be due to rounding during the equations again this is a great video and please show the stats next time it makes so much qol and can help people understand why their damage is not reaching as high as shown in the video statistically Idk maybe pin this so people can read this before they complain about their low dps output even though they were using the "same" loadout
i have almost identical build and my surge procs are at max 2k hitting on dummy head... dunno what i am doing wrong :S. Tryed treand hard, with status buff dmg from the drink, deviant out and bullseye on it and max were 2.5-2.6 k dmg .. Also , what its PSG, EMT etc ?XD
@@Krovio you probably did not stack armor buffs and you do not have at least all blue for elemental damage bonus for ur mod attributes. lastly, it's probably due to the recent hidden nerf(not shown anywhere but if you equipt it you will realize you did less damage than before) of Mayfly Googles, which changed it from reducing power surge damage bonus to reducing the entire damage of power surge. (went from additive to PSG DMG to just multiplying 0.7 to the entire equation) this means that if Mawn tries that exact setup again he should be proccing 3.5k per power surge and not 4.2k anymore
The savior set is just good in any given PvP situation, it's meant to make you as a hardest target to kill than any armour set currently available in OH. Not sure if anybody would pick the Savior set if it gets nerfed
Love your guide. Playing the SMG variant you previously posted and it is amazing. At the stage oif trying to get talent and status dmg rolls on all my mods (which is a nightmare) but overall the build slaps so hard! Love this variant which I may try on the new server when we get there.
I have all of these Mods with the right substats, Right Calibs and Gear sets but it's nowhere near the damage they put out. I don't know if it got nerfed or you guys are just gaslighting me.
The same thing happens to me. I have a very similar build, practically identical and my damage per magazine does not exceed 100-120k in the best of cases.
it's 2024 already and you still don't know media is fake? Behind one video is a whole script that make you think what you see on the screen is real haha
Overall, the recent videos are great - but I do think they could benefit from something. At the end of the video, would love to see a PVP Gear/Mod and PVE Gear Mod recommendation. Since they would be different and would be interesting to see how you change legendary armor sets for each function.
I feel like there was a recent hidden patch for Mayfly Googles, it went from reducing Power Surge DMG bonus to probably reducing Power Surge Final DMG Bonus or a straight-up just multiplying 0.7 on the equation Could you possibly check if this is true and see if there was any reduction on the build?
Great build for alts i prefer Gaz Mask instead of googles for easy crit rate. Overall 2 purple pieces isnt good if you arent starting the game. 1 star Yellow armor = 3 stars purple armor Stats that change are HP and PSI which means on build using PSI yellow armor are even more valuable than on a build like Shrapnel for example. Ofc 1 key purple item is acceptable (with maybe the exception of the torso) but at the end PSI damage adds up. While there s a difference of +2 PSI between a 3 star purple and 2 star yellow if you have 6 yellow items it makes +12 PSI or +24 PSI with 6 3 stars yellow item. In the long run a 5 Stars purple items = 3 Star Yellow item (ofc we arent at 6 Star yet), but there will be a total difference of +36 PSI on a full yellow build vs a full purple build. (There s ofc also HP to take in consideration, especially with all the % HP buff there is in the game) Definitely not a problem for now but investing too may Stars in Purple items might be an error in the long run, 3 stars is kind of okay going up to 5 stars might be a waste (except for a key item that).
Disagree on investing in purple being an error, the double points we're getting by using same item to max them quickly is going to be the difference of less than 1 season of BPs and help you for the seasons leading up to that point. The double is massive THEN add in the increased quantity required for legendary gear at all and maxing legendaries over time won't change much at all.
@@thatrandomguyo1 yeah 3 stars to 4 star yellow is 6k XP so it s a lot 3 stars is easy and quick but i think that if you can avoid it it s much better It also depends on how many builds you wanna play and how long you plan to play. At the end of the day for most people it wont matter that much cause they ll probably stop playing at the end of the year anyway, but if there s a way to maximise 1 gear quickly it s definitely better to focus on yellow if possible ofc. With equivalent gear level yellow wins the min max in term of stats especially on builds using PSI so every elemental build. It also impact the explosives damage you deal so for pvp it s also worth and ofc your survivability with more HP. After that it mostly depends on the roll you will have on the wish machine so you can get very lucky and upgrade your gear you are using or really unlucky. Not every season will have the gear people are using like it is right now, next season it should be 2 of those 4 Bounce / Fortress / Frost Vortex / Surge So to increase gear it will start to be rolls.
@@cosmix303 depend of the weapon shotgun need crit obviously rate and dmg. SOCR needs crit rate Smg doesnt need crit. For SOCR it s a bit weird cause it s a mix of crit rate and elemntal dmg. More crit = more surge procs and ofc more basic damage. That s why for a reroll having from 1 item 35% crit rate is a BIG upgrade especially cause you dont have lots of mods and definitely not yellow optimised ones. With optimised mods it s a bit different cause you can optimise your stats more easily having calibration and yellow mods.
I dont understand, I have the same gear, same calibration, and same mods. maybe with a little bit less elem/status dmg, and my procs did 1400 dmg instead of 4k in your video. did they nerf it or I miss something ?
Are power surge ending mods way better then talend? I farm the hole Day manibus for these crates and I cant get it. Now I have no Controllers left to open the chests
Do you think 21% calibration blueprint would be good for my socr right now? I have one element 7.9 and one crit 9%. That calibration has element and 21% crit rate.
Hey man. Just wanted to ask, for the weapon and mask mods that can roll with static shock damage. I do know these are a pain to get due to them being from PW. But my question is, is it worth keeping a static shock blue roll with non beneficial sub stats, or is it better to get Talents + Status dmg rolls even if they are blue? (Got a thunderclap with 3.4% power surge dmg but has power surge crit and 2 other meh mods)
@@mawn7976 Sure. Thunderclap mod 1 (4/5 upgrade): Power surge dmg 3.6%, Dmg against eleite 4.5%, Max HP 3.6% and Power surge Crit dmg 16%. Alternative mod (4/5 upgrades): Talents 3.2%, Dmg against Great one 1.2%, Reload speed bonus 9.6% and Status dmg 3.6%.
@@mawn7976 My Gun has a Static shock 4/5 with talent roll 6.4%, Reload speed 4.8%, Dmg against great 4.8% and Head dmg reduction 4.8% - don't know if it is worth trying to gamble the last upgrade or to get one with status dmg.
Hi Mawn, I just saw Doomeris' PVE weapon tier list, and something about what he said about Mr.Squid made something click, but I don't have the necessary mods and starchrom to build around it. Are you able to make and showcase a PVE Mr.Squid that is viable with the currently avialable buffed cradle perks for it?
You can run 4pc shelterer with 1pc bastille, depending on your star rating. But it assuming you are always over 70% hp, 3pc shelter + 2pc savior > 4pc shelterer + 1pc bastille
on pants and top i disagree. There are other options , that will give u similar bonuses as a blue mod (depending on the sub stats) plus the main perk on top, which can make life just a wee bit more comfy (like rejuvinating - talents). Also basic weapon dmg is allways better then weakspot, since it will allways be benefitial while weakspot dmg is useless against enemies, who dont have weakspots or weakspots, that are hard to hit reliably. So a deadshot-talents mod for the pants for example is situational weaker, but offers more easy of life for general game play. I know the try-hards will disagree, but this is a casuals opinion ;)
@@livefootball2000 you still have to hit your shot w/c deals weapon damage so weapon damage still matters, the main damage source may be powersurge but that doesnt mean your bullet that you need to hit in order to proc powersurge doesnt matter I do agree that blue mods gives way more damage than some gold mods (that people who only see gold might think otherwise).
@@livefootball2000 way to miss the point and thx for proving my last sentence correct, man^^ My argument was made in favour of people, who want a tad more ease-of-life over damage. And there are mods that can provide that as the mentioned rejuvinating. Also, a legendary mod with god-tier roles on the sub-stats should be at least en-par with a blue mod, which is severely limited by number of roles and nnumber of sub-stats. Also the gun doesnt do ONLY power surge dmg-it DOES have a base weapon dmg.
@@mawn7976I spent all afternoon yesterday trying to trace the build and I could swear that it is 95% identical to the one in the video. Even so, my total damage per charger with food, drinks, the deviant and god's help XD ... does not exceed 150k damage, it is still very far from the 300k it does in this video ... Do you have a discord where I can send you screenshots and you can tell me what I'm doing wrong please?
idrk what to do i already made the little jaws build u had(which is great i love it) but idk if i should make a whole other build like fast gunner or if i should make a power surge build considering i alr have the armor and alot in the mods department
hello thank you for the videos i wanted to ask is this better than outerspace smg as in dmg single target? and do you think 4 piece shelter and 1 piece bastille is lower dps than 3 piece shelter and 2 piece saviour? thanks again
1ST(4 shelt + 1 bast): 10% Weapon dmg from 1pc bastille 38% total elemental dmg from 4pc shelterer, but need to stack 15% from 8 bullets VS 2nd(3 shelt + 2 savior): 28% elemental dmg from 3pc shelterer, but needs to stack 10% from 5 bullets 10% weapon dmg from 2pc savior 10% elemental dmg from 2pc savior Comparison: 1st : instant 10% weap and 23% ele, need to shoot 8 bullets to stack 15% 2nd: instant 10% weapon and 28% ele, need to 5 bullets to stack 10% Conclusion 1st has a worse headstart, finishes at 48%. 2nd has better headstart dmg buffs, also finishes at 48% and faster than 1st. HOWEVER, don t fall below 70% hp.
Why do we need 10-20% crit rate (4-9 bullets per crit) if we're pushing 22 bullets every 2 secs (with a 3 sec window for the buff) are we accounting for reload time and that's what I'm missing. It seems like we could get away with a much lower crit rate. 22 bullets * 0.5 crit rate (just the crit from lone wolf 2) = 11 bullets per crit. That's 2 triggers within the first 2 secs of the buff. Are we just using the extra crit to cover things like reloading or movement in the fight where we can't be applying damage?
I think thunderclap is actually bugged coz it says after 20 stacks of PS a lightning strike(not original name) occurs WITH NO INDICATED COOLDOWN so by paper it should procs every 21st PS procs but I noticed that my thunder clap only procs about 2 times(usually) and 3 times(when I am lucky) per mag given I have 35 shots per mag using outerspace. I start noticing that the stacks get stuck at 20 for quite some time then procs like 10-15 shot late when it should have proc-ed on time edit: 5-10 shots late, I actually over exaggerated
Outsider is a great alternative for those who don’t have the power surge smg! This would be good for early to mid game until you get the outer space which does significantly more dmg. Currently at the moment not built all the way in phase 4 I am doing 1m damage in less then 4 mags using only the outer space. Devs thought they nerfed powersurge but they actually buffed it😤😤 Also great video. But for thunderclap you want to be using thunderclap with a powersurge affix not talents. This will significantly boost the power surge damage by a lot. I did 3.2m damage at prime war yesterday which was double the best persons highest that was using a fully built shrap set
@@mawn7976 might of missed it my bad. Currently in game it dosent drop in from silo ex1 your best chance at getting it will be Chiron if you’re not at the manibus phase yet. Didn’t realize this until I did 54 pro silo runs not getting a single one LOL
@@Occurredcx that’ pretty tragic, oh and they can also be gotten from blue boxes in pw hard server (Specified hard server cuz I don’t know anymore for normal servers)
what is your build? i'm running the smg and my dps is so low only getting like 500k for pro prime wars. I'm trying so hard to like this build but my dmg is so weak.
@@Artis312 everyone is building power surge the wrong way. You can’t build it like it used to be after the nerf which is what I see a lot of people doing. I am currently testing another build at the moment that could beat my current surge dmg 1.1m in 4 mags instead of 1m every 4 mags. This includes zero buffs and no deviants as well. Will make a vid later today for it. There’s a reason I am the top scorer and dps in prime wars fr🙂😤
@@4legion42 yes, you can opt for 4 shelt + 1pc bastille. It will however be weaker than 3pc shelt +2pc savior ( if when ur on 3 shelt + 2 savior ur always above 70% hp)
Hi, quick question, English is not my native language and I ended up not understanding part of the video, the question is, ideally I should have a 20% crit rate right?
quick question i did everything u showed in the video but only got 20k dps with buffs while u showed u get 60k dps without them. I forgot what my question was
There are a few popular possible reasons for this: try using purple tungsten ap ammo, make sure covered advance is active when doing the dps test, calibrate the gun to +10, calibrate all your gear pieces to +6 and you have less bonus dmg vs normal enemies
my build for outsider was the same as you but somehow when i tested it on dummy with all the buff eaten and used i just cant seem to hit 100k dps on the dummy .. my mods are even greater than yours .. im so confused whether the dummy bug out or not :(
@@mawn7976 i have 5 of those 1 gold 1 purple 2 blue and 1 gray .. i dont know man , at this point im convinced that its dummy issue haha because i can kill pretty much everything so easily , i can even solo lea research lab but somehow when i tested on dummy my damage is a bit disappointing :(
I feel like at this piont it might be my ping thats at 180 thats making my dps stay at 35 to40k got all buffs everything in statusdm and elemental dmg mods in like 4 gear sets as food buffs but my damage is not going any higher
Why are people so wrong when it comes to resonance? You can have the bonus 2 times while with talents u can only have 1x elemental damage. I run a double resonance mod setup on my acs12 corrosion. Dead shot with resonance elemental/weakspothits give critdmg and this 2 times each, just my deadshot alone ramped up gives me 73% crit damage. The downside to resonance beside having to ramp it up (which btw is better for bosses if u have a good resonance) is that the rng you need to get a double roll on your necessary stats with good rarity on this attributes is insanely high. So you have to be very lucky and it is insanely tedious to farm resonance. Other than that, it's insanely strong. I can show you a screenshot of my deadshot if you dont believe me, mawn.
@@RealFabz like I explained, the fact that you need to ramp ele% up makes it worse. And 2. Why are you talking about the corrosion on an outsider video?
@@mawn7976 it was an example. And like I said, u can have the bonus for a specific thing 2 times with resonance. U can get much more % for a single thing on resonance than with other mods just because you can have the same bonus 2 times
@@RealFabz this is a guide on an outsider build where we focus on power surge damage (obviously). Currently the only 2 resonance main substats that can buff your ele damage are stacking 1% upon dwaling weakspot and crit damage iirc. We can throw crit damage out the window already as we’re not gonna deal crit dmg often. Then considering that after stacking it to its max value, you are at 8%, which is exactly the same amount from talent, yet talent does not need to be stacked to get the 8% buff. Which at this point there is no reason to go for a resonance mod
@@mawn7976 you do not understand my simple explanations why you are wrong with resonance as well as not understanding what an example is so imma dip. Good luck.
@@RealFabz I just proved your « simple » explanation that it is bad for this gun specifically, and here you are not proving any points and whining about it.
They can be gotten from prime war blue boxes in hard seasons or every box in normal season prime wars, and can also be gotten from the purple box dropped from operation chiron event
@@ChristianKrillz if you want to get power surge suffix mods, they can be gotten from opening blue crates from PW in hard server, and they are also dropped from the operation chiron purple box
i dunno man how the hell these builds work... i was power surger all s1. i see no buffs dealing 50k and yet me with deviation, bullseye buff deals 34k at max...but if i look on the mods.. i have the same , sometimes even better substats. and i just dont believe that one armor 5* is 50k dps difference. i would believe it if it was full build 5* . i even tried to play with expensive ammo, yet i cant get nowhere near NO BUFF dmg... idk how the game works it seems :D
The video is great and I also love the deep explanations, but for future videos could you also show the stats by pressing C(Details) so we can know why there are some high differences in power surge damage (you're getting 2.9~3.1k per proc with no buffs and ur PS is 853, so your damage increased is around 703% in total which seems extremely high)
(Please press Read more)
Since you did not respond I decided to run the math myself
PSI: 853
PSG DMG: -30+20+25+25 = 40%
STS DMG: 20+3.6+20+4.8+12+3.6+20+25 = 109%
EMT DMG: 8+18+8+20+6.4+4.8+6.4+4.8+6.4+4.8+24+8 = 119.6%
Dmg ag Ne:6+4+10+10+8+6+6 = 50%
(no bulls-eye or fortress warfare nor deviation buffs and the same food buffs as the test at the very start of the video with full-stack armor buffs and stuff)
Formula: PSI/2 * PSG DMG * STS DMG * EMT DMG * Dmg ag Ne = 426.5*1.4*2.09*2.196*1.5 = 4110.7 (rounded to 4111)
So this video is legit and correct and if you are wondering why your damage is weaker it is probably due to low damage against normal enemies or you did not stack any armor stacks
Im still not sure how it was doing 4221 not 4111 but the difference isn't that great and it could be due to rounding during the equations
again this is a great video and please show the stats next time it makes so much qol and can help people understand why their damage is not reaching as high as shown in the video statistically
Idk maybe pin this so people can read this before they complain about their low dps output even though they were using the "same" loadout
You’re a wizard, Harry. 🧙
i have almost identical build and my surge procs are at max 2k hitting on dummy head... dunno what i am doing wrong :S. Tryed treand hard, with status buff dmg from the drink, deviant out and bullseye on it and max were 2.5-2.6 k dmg .. Also , what its PSG, EMT etc ?XD
@@Krovio you probably did not stack armor buffs and you do not have at least all blue for elemental damage bonus for ur mod attributes.
lastly, it's probably due to the recent hidden nerf(not shown anywhere but if you equipt it you will realize you did less damage than before) of Mayfly Googles, which changed it from reducing power surge damage bonus to reducing the entire damage of power surge. (went from additive to PSG DMG to just multiplying 0.7 to the entire equation)
this means that if Mawn tries that exact setup again he should be proccing 3.5k per power surge and not 4.2k anymore
PSG DMG: power surge damage bonus
STS DMG: static damage bonus
EMT DMG: elemental damage bonus
Dmg ag Ne: damage against normal enemies
@@calamitis-ug9zj What do u think its better to priorize, status bonus or elemental?
Wonderful guides on your channel. Thank you for sharing them. You are leaps and bounds ahead of other OH content creators
Thanks!
Finally I found a build where I can use my Shelterer that i bought by mistake :D
shelterer is actually good, and dw bulleye+savior is broken , is the only build that doesn't decrease the damage for pvp , hope it gets nerfed soon.
@@kaiserdarkangel explain this build more please
The savior set is just good in any given PvP situation, it's meant to make you as a hardest target to kill than any armour set currently available in OH. Not sure if anybody would pick the Savior set if it gets nerfed
Love your guide. Playing the SMG variant you previously posted and it is amazing. At the stage oif trying to get talent and status dmg rolls on all my mods (which is a nightmare) but overall the build slaps so hard! Love this variant which I may try on the new server when we get there.
LOVE this video, it helped me dial in my Outsider and gear. quick question, what deviant would you recommend?
This is helpful thank you! 🔥
thank you for the build!
keep up the good work , thanks for confirming im not insane
I have all of these Mods with the right substats, Right Calibs and Gear sets but it's nowhere near the damage they put out. I don't know if it got nerfed or you guys are just gaslighting me.
The same thing happens to me. I have a very similar build, practically identical and my damage per magazine does not exceed 100-120k in the best of cases.
the cradle little bit diferent every slot have 5 choice. maybe those make diferent. i build same as him and never reace 100k in 1 megazine 😂
it's 2024 already and you still don't know media is fake? Behind one video is a whole script that make you think what you see on the screen is real haha
@@Darkbunciondjembe the testing dummy is not accurate brother try it on the treant boss.
I havent the mods jet and I get 57k dps and 120k damage per magazine
Overall, the recent videos are great - but I do think they could benefit from something. At the end of the video, would love to see a PVP Gear/Mod and PVE Gear Mod recommendation. Since they would be different and would be interesting to see how you change legendary armor sets for each function.
I feel like there was a recent hidden patch for Mayfly Googles, it went from reducing Power Surge DMG bonus to probably reducing Power Surge Final DMG Bonus or a straight-up just multiplying 0.7 on the equation
Could you possibly check if this is true and see if there was any reduction on the build?
Great build for alts i prefer Gaz Mask instead of googles for easy crit rate.
Overall 2 purple pieces isnt good if you arent starting the game. 1 star Yellow armor = 3 stars purple armor
Stats that change are HP and PSI which means on build using PSI yellow armor are even more valuable than on a build like Shrapnel for example.
Ofc 1 key purple item is acceptable (with maybe the exception of the torso) but at the end PSI damage adds up. While there s a difference of +2 PSI between a 3 star purple and 2 star yellow if you have 6 yellow items it makes +12 PSI or +24 PSI with 6 3 stars yellow item.
In the long run a 5 Stars purple items = 3 Star Yellow item (ofc we arent at 6 Star yet), but there will be a total difference of +36 PSI on a full yellow build vs a full purple build. (There s ofc also HP to take in consideration, especially with all the % HP buff there is in the game)
Definitely not a problem for now but investing too may Stars in Purple items might be an error in the long run, 3 stars is kind of okay going up to 5 stars might be a waste (except for a key item that).
Yes, but I just wanted to put that out there because it’s very easy to +3* them :)
Disagree on investing in purple being an error, the double points we're getting by using same item to max them quickly is going to be the difference of less than 1 season of BPs and help you for the seasons leading up to that point. The double is massive THEN add in the increased quantity required for legendary gear at all and maxing legendaries over time won't change much at all.
@@thatrandomguyo1 yeah 3 stars to 4 star yellow is 6k XP so it s a lot
3 stars is easy and quick but i think that if you can avoid it it s much better
It also depends on how many builds you wanna play and how long you plan to play.
At the end of the day for most people it wont matter that much cause they ll probably stop playing at the end of the year anyway, but if there s a way to maximise 1 gear quickly it s definitely better to focus on yellow if possible ofc.
With equivalent gear level yellow wins the min max in term of stats especially on builds using PSI so every elemental build.
It also impact the explosives damage you deal so for pvp it s also worth and ofc your survivability with more HP.
After that it mostly depends on the roll you will have on the wish machine so you can get very lucky and upgrade your gear you are using or really unlucky. Not every season will have the gear people are using like it is right now, next season it should be 2 of those 4 Bounce / Fortress / Frost Vortex / Surge
So to increase gear it will start to be rolls.
@@MishaXG Crit on power surge builds? makes not really sense to me maybe you can explain? Cheers
@@cosmix303 depend of the weapon shotgun need crit obviously rate and dmg.
SOCR needs crit rate
Smg doesnt need crit.
For SOCR it s a bit weird cause it s a mix of crit rate and elemntal dmg. More crit = more surge procs and ofc more basic damage.
That s why for a reroll having from 1 item 35% crit rate is a BIG upgrade especially cause you dont have lots of mods and definitely not yellow optimised ones.
With optimised mods it s a bit different cause you can optimise your stats more easily having calibration and yellow mods.
I dont understand, I have the same gear, same calibration, and same mods. maybe with a little bit less elem/status dmg, and my procs did 1400 dmg instead of 4k in your video. did they nerf it or I miss something ?
You probably use worse bullets, have less stars on your gear, and aren’t using the buffs I listed in the corresponding damage showcase
Are power surge ending mods way better then talend? I farm the hole Day manibus for these crates and I cant get it. Now I have no Controllers left to open the chests
Do you think 21% calibration blueprint would be good for my socr right now? I have one element 7.9 and one crit 9%. That calibration has element and 21% crit rate.
Thanks for the mod explain
Hey man. Just wanted to ask, for the weapon and mask mods that can roll with static shock damage. I do know these are a pain to get due to them being from PW. But my question is, is it worth keeping a static shock blue roll with non beneficial sub stats, or is it better to get Talents + Status dmg rolls even if they are blue? (Got a thunderclap with 3.4% power surge dmg but has power surge crit and 2 other meh mods)
@@christopherborrageiro4350 can you list me the all the substats of both your mods
@@mawn7976 Sure. Thunderclap mod 1 (4/5 upgrade): Power surge dmg 3.6%, Dmg against eleite 4.5%, Max HP 3.6% and Power surge Crit dmg 16%. Alternative mod (4/5 upgrades): Talents 3.2%, Dmg against Great one 1.2%, Reload speed bonus 9.6% and Status dmg 3.6%.
@@mawn7976 My Gun has a Static shock 4/5 with talent roll 6.4%, Reload speed 4.8%, Dmg against great 4.8% and Head dmg reduction 4.8% - don't know if it is worth trying to gamble the last upgrade or to get one with status dmg.
@@christopherborrageiro4350 what is the name of the alternative mod?
@@mawn7976 It is also a thunder clap (sorry forgot to add that)
Hi Mawn, I just saw Doomeris' PVE weapon tier list, and something about what he said about Mr.Squid made something click, but I don't have the necessary mods and starchrom to build around it. Are you able to make and showcase a PVE Mr.Squid that is viable with the currently avialable buffed cradle perks for it?
I can probably dive into it eventually but not in the close future
4 pieces of shelterer is not good? You get a stack of 30 so 30% element damage,or would I do less damage?
You can run 4pc shelterer with 1pc bastille, depending on your star rating. But it assuming you are always over 70% hp, 3pc shelter + 2pc savior > 4pc shelterer + 1pc bastille
on pants and top i disagree. There are other options , that will give u similar bonuses as a blue mod (depending on the sub stats) plus the main perk on top, which can make life just a wee bit more comfy (like rejuvinating - talents).
Also basic weapon dmg is allways better then weakspot, since it will allways be benefitial while weakspot dmg is useless against enemies, who dont have weakspots or weakspots, that are hard to hit reliably. So a deadshot-talents mod for the pants for example is situational weaker, but offers more easy of life for general game play.
I know the try-hards will disagree, but this is a casuals opinion ;)
Your opinion is objectively wrong. Power surge doesnt scale off weapon damage ,and blue mod gives MUCH more dps than you're thinking it does.
@@livefootball2000 you still have to hit your shot w/c deals weapon damage so weapon damage still matters, the main damage source may be powersurge but that doesnt mean your bullet that you need to hit in order to proc powersurge doesnt matter
I do agree that blue mods gives way more damage than some gold mods (that people who only see gold might think otherwise).
@@livefootball2000 way to miss the point and thx for proving my last sentence correct, man^^
My argument was made in favour of people, who want a tad more ease-of-life over damage. And there are mods that can provide that as the mentioned rejuvinating. Also, a legendary mod with god-tier roles on the sub-stats should be at least en-par with a blue mod, which is severely limited by number of roles and nnumber of sub-stats.
Also the gun doesnt do ONLY power surge dmg-it DOES have a base weapon dmg.
the power surge damage takes up 60~70% of the guns damage...
Hello!
Does the melee weapon have anything to do with the final damage of the assault rifle?
Yes it gives fortress warfare buff upon performing a heavy attack
@@mawn7976I spent all afternoon yesterday trying to trace the build and I could swear that it is 95% identical to the one in the video. Even so, my total damage per charger with food, drinks, the deviant and god's help XD ... does not exceed 150k damage, it is still very far from the 300k it does in this video ... Do you have a discord where I can send you screenshots and you can tell me what I'm doing wrong please?
idrk what to do i already made the little jaws build u had(which is great i love it) but idk if i should make a whole other build like fast gunner or if i should make a power surge build considering i alr have the armor and alot in the mods department
hello thank you for the videos i wanted to ask is this better than outerspace smg as in dmg single target? and do you think 4 piece shelter and 1 piece bastille is lower dps than 3 piece shelter and 2 piece saviour? thanks again
1ST(4 shelt + 1 bast):
10% Weapon dmg from 1pc bastille
38% total elemental dmg from 4pc shelterer, but need to stack 15% from 8 bullets
VS
2nd(3 shelt + 2 savior):
28% elemental dmg from 3pc shelterer, but needs to stack 10% from 5 bullets
10% weapon dmg from 2pc savior
10% elemental dmg from 2pc savior
Comparison:
1st : instant 10% weap and 23% ele, need to shoot 8 bullets to stack 15%
2nd: instant 10% weapon and 28% ele, need to 5 bullets to stack 10%
Conclusion 1st has a worse headstart, finishes at 48%. 2nd has better headstart dmg buffs, also finishes at 48% and faster than 1st.
HOWEVER, don t fall below 70% hp.
@@mawn7976 ty for the info and the video
Why do we need 10-20% crit rate (4-9 bullets per crit) if we're pushing 22 bullets every 2 secs (with a 3 sec window for the buff) are we accounting for reload time and that's what I'm missing. It seems like we could get away with a much lower crit rate. 22 bullets * 0.5 crit rate (just the crit from lone wolf 2) = 11 bullets per crit. That's 2 triggers within the first 2 secs of the buff. Are we just using the extra crit to cover things like reloading or movement in the fight where we can't be applying damage?
I do around 65-95k dps rn without buffs our builds are pretty similar I enjoy the surge a lot
YEAHHHHHH!!!!!!
Can i build this with 3pcs heavy and 2pcs scout for cheaper gear if no starchorm yet? But ofc similar mods?
Yes :)
I think thunderclap is actually bugged coz it says after 20 stacks of PS a lightning strike(not original name) occurs WITH NO INDICATED COOLDOWN so by paper it should procs every 21st PS procs but I noticed that my thunder clap only procs about 2 times(usually) and 3 times(when I am lucky) per mag given I have 35 shots per mag using outerspace. I start noticing that the stacks get stuck at 20 for quite some time then procs like 10-15 shot late when it should have proc-ed on time
edit: 5-10 shots late, I actually over exaggerated
@@zsigadee5653 this is most probably a ping problem, as sometimes when my ping is high it either procs late or doesn’t proc
What mod did he mention for top? I couldn't quite hear it right. All I heard was perfect subs.
@@ebess2 munitions amplifier or flame resonance, depending on their substats
@@mawn7976 thanks!!
Also, I don't have corrosive shotgun yet. Do you think the frost vortex smg would be an okay alternative?
Icy rain as n alterntive to outsider? Kinda, but it’ll be weaker
Outsider is a great alternative for those who don’t have the power surge smg! This would be good for early to mid game until you get the outer space which does significantly more dmg. Currently at the moment not built all the way in phase 4 I am doing 1m damage in less then 4 mags using only the outer space. Devs thought they nerfed powersurge but they actually buffed it😤😤
Also great video. But for thunderclap you want to be using thunderclap with a powersurge affix not talents. This will significantly boost the power surge damage by a lot.
I did 3.2m damage at prime war yesterday which was double the best persons highest that was using a fully built shrap set
@@Occurredcx I did say to use power surge suffix on mask mod :)
@@mawn7976 might of missed it my bad. Currently in game it dosent drop in from silo ex1 your best chance at getting it will be Chiron if you’re not at the manibus phase yet. Didn’t realize this until I did 54 pro silo runs not getting a single one LOL
@@Occurredcx that’ pretty tragic, oh and they can also be gotten from blue boxes in pw hard server (Specified hard server cuz I don’t know anymore for normal servers)
what is your build? i'm running the smg and my dps is so low only getting like 500k for pro prime wars. I'm trying so hard to like this build but my dmg is so weak.
@@Artis312 everyone is building power surge the wrong way. You can’t build it like it used to be after the nerf which is what I see a lot of people doing. I am currently testing another build at the moment that could beat my current surge dmg 1.1m in 4 mags instead of 1m every 4 mags. This includes zero buffs and no deviants as well. Will make a vid later today for it. There’s a reason I am the top scorer and dps in prime wars fr🙂😤
will full set of shelter be good? then + one piece of something else
@@4legion42 yes, you can opt for 4 shelt + 1pc bastille. It will however be weaker than 3pc shelt +2pc savior ( if when ur on 3 shelt + 2 savior ur always above 70% hp)
Whats the mod for the top?
Hi, quick question, English is not my native language and I ended up not understanding part of the video, the question is, ideally I should have a 20% crit rate right?
@@Gomezu between 10-20
@@mawn7976 okok ty, helped me a lot with my build, you're awesome
quick question i did everything u showed in the video but only got 20k dps with buffs while u showed u get 60k dps without them. I forgot what my question was
There are a few popular possible reasons for this: try using purple tungsten ap ammo, make sure covered advance is active when doing the dps test, calibrate the gun to +10, calibrate all your gear pieces to +6 and you have less bonus dmg vs normal enemies
Nice
my build for outsider was the same as you but somehow when i tested it on dummy with all the buff eaten and used i just cant seem to hit 100k dps on the dummy .. my mods are even greater than yours .. im so confused whether the dummy bug out or not :(
Do you have as much normal dmg vs normal enemies as I do?
@@mawn7976 i have 5 of those 1 gold 1 purple 2 blue and 1 gray .. i dont know man , at this point im convinced that its dummy issue haha because i can kill pretty much everything so easily , i can even solo lea research lab but somehow when i tested on dummy my damage is a bit disappointing :(
Is the scar better than mps7?
No
I feel like at this piont it might be my ping thats at 180 thats making my dps stay at 35 to40k got all buffs everything in statusdm and elemental dmg mods in like 4 gear sets as food buffs but my damage is not going any higher
often times ping affects the dummy and often times will make the dummy not register your power surge procs
Nice Beginner friendly build , i can buy armor with starcroms
i can not find the "Munitions Amplifier" for the Top mod, i can only found it for gloves =/
If you are playing on a hard mode server they can be found from gear boxes in the dayton wetlands area
@@mawn7976 aah okay, and they are "only" blue, you cant find them as legandary?
@@mawn7976 is it online "blue" or can i get it as legendary?
Why are people so wrong when it comes to resonance? You can have the bonus 2 times while with talents u can only have 1x elemental damage.
I run a double resonance mod setup on my acs12 corrosion. Dead shot with resonance elemental/weakspothits give critdmg and this 2 times each, just my deadshot alone ramped up gives me 73% crit damage.
The downside to resonance beside having to ramp it up (which btw is better for bosses if u have a good resonance) is that the rng you need to get a double roll on your necessary stats with good rarity on this attributes is insanely high.
So you have to be very lucky and it is insanely tedious to farm resonance. Other than that, it's insanely strong.
I can show you a screenshot of my deadshot if you dont believe me, mawn.
@@RealFabz like I explained, the fact that you need to ramp ele% up makes it worse. And 2. Why are you talking about the corrosion on an outsider video?
@@mawn7976 it was an example. And like I said, u can have the bonus for a specific thing 2 times with resonance. U can get much more % for a single thing on resonance than with other mods just because you can have the same bonus 2 times
@@RealFabz this is a guide on an outsider build where we focus on power surge damage (obviously). Currently the only 2 resonance main substats that can buff your ele damage are stacking 1% upon dwaling weakspot and crit damage iirc. We can throw crit damage out the window already as we’re not gonna deal crit dmg often. Then considering that after stacking it to its max value, you are at 8%, which is exactly the same amount from talent, yet talent does not need to be stacked to get the 8% buff. Which at this point there is no reason to go for a resonance mod
@@mawn7976 you do not understand my simple explanations why you are wrong with resonance as well as not understanding what an example is so imma dip. Good luck.
@@RealFabz I just proved your « simple » explanation that it is bad for this gun specifically, and here you are not proving any points and whining about it.
Would 3pc Shelterer and 2 pc Heavy better than 3pc Shelterer and 2pc Scout?
yes
@@mawn7976 which one should i get first in order to increase my dmg, three set Shelter or SMG blueprint? Im using a limited starchrome as of now
@@Rairu21 smg blueprint? Not sure what you mean by that
@@mawn7976 the outerspace smg in the wish machine shop
@@mawn7976 i meant the Outerspace smg weapon in the wishmachine shop
Great Video but i use the purple mag not all gold is good
how can i get suffix?
They can be gotten from prime war blue boxes in hard seasons or every box in normal season prime wars, and can also be gotten from the purple box dropped from operation chiron event
@@mawn7976 where did u find these information? cuz i wasn’t able to find anything online
where do you find this information?
My power surge dmg doesn’t go up to 1500 or 2500:( why is that?
You probably don’t have as much dmg bonus vs normal enemies as I do. I use dmg bonus vs normal enemies to increase dmg vs dummies
@@mawn7976 Oohh than it think my problem is in the substats
Farmed so many kills and never got a Static shock power surge... only a bunch of Talents i'm pretty sure.. is Power surge suffix rare?
I got it on first account from prime war now, people are saying chiron or in pro version but i think drop rate is reduced af.
For pve only prime wars drop the special suffix mods (power surge, shrapnel, etc) but in pvp servers you can farm them from certain silos, bosses, etc
@@ChristianKrillz if you want to get power surge suffix mods, they can be gotten from opening blue crates from PW in hard server, and they are also dropped from the operation chiron purple box
U can get them from Operatiin Chiron chests or PW chests
@@bigtech_d564 then they fixed the drop rate cuz did over 30 pw and didnt get nothing
Why is cradle of mine and his are different?
@@LokiTheSavior cradles change depending on the server ur in
i dont get nearly that amount of dmg, i get max 28k with 820psi, 332dmg, 20 crit rate, 27 c dmg, 52 elm dmg, surge trigger bonus 30 dmg 2,4
i dunno man how the hell these builds work... i was power surger all s1. i see no buffs dealing 50k and yet me with deviation, bullseye buff deals 34k at max...but if i look on the mods.. i have the same , sometimes even better substats. and i just dont believe that one armor 5* is 50k dps difference. i would believe it if it was full build 5* . i even tried to play with expensive ammo, yet i cant get nowhere near NO BUFF dmg... idk how the game works it seems :D
bro we literally have the same build but i dont do that much damage wtf... only difference is that my calibration is 1critrate 1 elem damage
make video to scar shrapnel please
have you not seen the like 4000 videos on that build already?
builds been cooked to perfection already.
@@BitterJane i see but i have proplem in my build i cannot make damge more than 40k dps when i test it with outbuff can you help me
best pvp weapon for u? that is not bingo and wildfire?
@@daemonkisure2952 I’d recommend going with the corrosion shotgun
trash. outer space power surge mp7 with mayfly googles does 3 times the dmg to pve/pvp. pushes 200k damage per sec
Can ya do hammerhead. I play Pistols. Only. I like to have other peeps opinions. 🤣
that pistol is complete butt bro. Use the mp7
If you want the short answer, hammerhead is currently in a pretty bad spot
Bruddah suggested an SMG on a pistol only character 💀
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ur dmg is very low
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stop making surge build guides , they will nerf it to the ground ...
Doombringer...
Lol they will anyways
If they nerf surge and let that bingo go untouched ima lose my mind