A “smart” TV is the dumbest thing one can buy. It’s obsolete long before the actual panel stops work. Just ignore the “smart” part of your new TV and use an external box.
You are the only UA-cam creator that I've seen that actually mentions the private listening feature on Roku. That's a huge feature that never gets mentioned.
That's because the other platforms have bluetooth. So you can simply pair your earbuds/headphones with the tv instead of going through the Roku app or tv remote which in my opinion are just an inconvenience.
Based on this video, I bought a Roku Express 4K+ to add streaming functionality to my 10yr old 'dumb' 1080p TV. I got the "Express 4K+" for $25. I went with the "Express 4K+" over the more basic "Express" due to the remote with TV controls, and I'm very happy. Since my old TV is in the same room as my router and I'll be streaming 1080p, I don't see any issue with the older wifi support. Plus my router doesn't do Wifi AX, just AC. I like how the "Express 4k+" can be wired into my LAN, but it does stink that you need to buy a 3rd party solution.
Excellent summary overall. One thing I will say is that I have also been a Shield user since 2015, but one thing to note that I discovered recently is that HDR on UA-cam doesn't work, and never will. This is because the Shield does not have hardware support for VP9.2 codec that UA-cam uses for HDR since the chip is so old. This is something that most of the competitors offer, including the much cheaper Chromecast and even the latest Apple TV (which previously didn't even support UA-cam 4K due to the lack of VP9 support, but the latest model supports all the way up to VP9.2). Maybe not much of an issue since there's not much UA-cam HDR content out there, but it's worth noting. I've also noticed recently that the "match frame rate" option on the Shield doesn't work very well for a lot of apps; some of them will crash when you try to enable it, and others just won't do anything. This means the Shield gets stuck outputting 24fps content at 60fps, so you get nasty judder. It's even worse if you watch 25fps or 50fps PAL content. The Apple TV not only does this properly, it does it automatically on all content if you have the option turned on in the settings. It's really nice, because it allows my LG CX to handle all the frame rate conversion itself, which it does a much better job of than any of the players do on board. It's for these reasons that, begrudgingly, I've switched to using the Apple TV 4K for pretty much everything except local content playback. The Shield is still better at watching content over my local network via XBMC/Plex, but the Apple TV is better for any kind of app streaming. Also worth noting that Xbox Blu-Ray playback is still wonky, especially with audio. To output Dolby Atmos to your receiver you have to install the Dolby app and enable settings in there. And if you have the Xbox connected to something that doesn't accept DTS (like most new LG TVs) it will refuse to play a disc that uses a DTS soundtrack. You have to go into the options and set it to process the audio onboard, but then you have to disable it if you want to pass Dolby audio again later. It's just not a very good Blu-ray player overall.
This is a good analysis. I debated covering this in the video (which is mostly aimed at general consumers) but opted to save the more technical analysis for a future video. I might do something separately on 24p / fillmmaker mode and which devices support it. I have found the Apple TV is the best at 24p content outside of built in TV apps.
@@LonSeidman , for your technical video, please also talk about how Roku Media Player (RMP) does NOT support decoding DTS. It can pass DTS audio to be decoded elsewhere (A/V receiver as such). Many of us have asked for DTS decoding support (either add a pay option (RMP Pro?) or allow a third party media player. Also, talk about what devices play what type of USB media (MP4, MKV - H264/H265).
@Lon.TV In 2021, Google began rolling out a large update to the Android TV platform. This update included many changes, a new interface, and a new name - *Google TV.* Google TV is designed to be more personalized than Android TV, with Google’s A.I. capabilities working behind the scenes to find recommended content. And, newer devices are adopting Google TV from the outset, so if you buy a new Sony TV and even some new TCL TVs today, it will come loaded with Google TV, not Android TV. Google’s own Chromecast has also been updated to the new version, which is officially called the Chromecast with Google TV. Google has plans to replace Android TV with Google TV by 2022! In the review, why not Google tv? Also the Google tv hardware is hyperlinked. It's not Android tv though.
Lots of good information. 👍 Thanks. I tried to point out several times to people who were dumping their Roku devices that I thought they were changing too soon. All of these services will have spats at one time or another. It happens when renewed contract negotiations start, and almost always goes down to the wire. I really like my Roku Ultra because of it's clean format and simple UI. When the time comes to upgrade, I'll be getting another Roku Ultra.
I'm envious of your geography versus Internet speed. It looks like a rather rural setting, yet your download/upload speeds are faster than any I've ever experienced.
Great roundup! Think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. Crazy with all these streaming devices, there's no one to rule them all. They all have their strength's, weaknesses. Have a Shield TV Pro (2019) and even that doesn't have it all for me. Doubt we ever see that box.
This is a good overview. However, it leaves one major technical aspect out of the discussion: Automatic Frame Rate Switching (AFS), especially 24p and 50 Hz playback. I own the latest Apple TV 4K, an NVIDIA SHIELD TV (2017) and tested the Fire TV 4K stick and the Google TV stick. Roku is not avalable (yet) in my country. The Fire TV only supports AFS on their Prime Video App. The SHIELD has a beta version of AFS implemented which only works on Netflix, but no other streaming App. The Google TV does not support 24p at all, so there will always be stuttering when watching 24p content. The only device supporting AFS reliably for most Apps is the Apple TV 4K: It works with iTunes movies/shows, Amazon Prime Video, Netflix, Disney+ and most other Apps. The only App I use where AFS is not supported on the Apple TV 4K is UA-cam, but that's Google's fault. So the Apple TV 4K is the only valid option to me personally, despite its admittedly very high price.
I purposely didn't get into the technical weeds in this one but this is a feature I will likely talk about in a more technically oriented episode. The inclusion of AFS is noticeably better on the Apple TV for sure.
I'm very happy with my Roku 4K streaming stick. It does what I want it to do and most of all it's not really expensive. I really like the fact you can choose what resolution you want to use. 4K Dolby Vision wow I love using that resolution sometimes.
Overall I think a pretty fair assessment. But I think the fact that Roku/FireTV have had frequent issues offering apps (HBO Max/UA-cam TV) similar to the carrage fee fights cable companies have with channel providers deserved more weight. I would also say the AppleTV deserved a fairer shake. Absolutely, it's expensive. But it's a much more polished experience. Those 'ads' or video previews can be turned off for a better "top shelf" (their term for the feature of apps on the top row) experience. But just the scrolling experience has a better feel in most apps that take advantage of native APIs. And the Apple TV is the only box I've use (tried them all except Roku), where a simple voice command will turn off subtitles in every app. Or the "what did he say" to rewind and turn on subtitles.
I hv watched many reviews for days, results:..#1 ROKU.. #2..ROKU ..#3..ROKU. Easy user friendly, cheap, keeping up with competition. Rest all are stifling you, forcing users to their way or highway, cluttering Advertisements, expensive.
Great comparison! I think since we are talking about media consumption, the term "frame rate adjustment" deserves to be on the comparison list.. since it can literally mess up the viewing experience.. After a lot of searching i am still clueless when it comes to what each platform can deliver in that aspect. Maybe a follow up comparison touching on the frame rate capabilities?
I'd go for an Nvidia Shield tv any day. I understand that they are more expensive but for instance the 2015 version is still supported now and is still very fast. Also it's a stellar emulation device. Worth every penny
Great comparison Lon. Big fan of the channel. However, this doesn't take into account users who don't reside in the U.S. When it comes to streaming or more generally content, geography matters a lot. As someone living outside of the U.S, I know firsthand how uneven the online streaming space is. So, Roku is great but only if you live in the U.S. While a Roku device will work outside of the U.S, most of the services won't include Roku's own streaming channel. So Roku wouldn't be my least recommended player for users outside of the U.S. Even worse, Roku has no support for VPN apps, so even those who have traveled abroad with their devices will be locked out like the rest of us. The best player for international users is without a doubt any of the Android TV players. Google/Android is the most universally facing Tech company on earth. Chromecast by Google TV comes highly recommended, but even then some services won't work in most regions including Live TV features and Movies recommendations. Android TV supports DStv's streaming app as well as Showmax both of which are absent on the other platforms. These services are owned by the biggest satellite pay tv provider on the African continent. Amazon fire tv would be my second recommendation, but be aware that IMDB TV(now Freeve) owned by Amazon has limited support outside of the U.S. But Prime is mostly globally available. Haven't used Apple TV. I know they don't support VPN apps, so no easy way around geo restrictions. But Apple TV+ is supported in most regions in the world. That's all.
Hi there! I really enjoyed your review. I just wanted to mention one Roku feature that, to me, was the deal maker: I can connect my Roku streaming stick to my TVs USB port, which I can't do with any other device. I don't have to tell you how much flexibility that feature can give you...
Good roundup review of media streaming options. I will say that if you are a PC gamer looking for a tv streaming device, just get the Nvidia Shield and don't look back. Trust me. The shield supports streaming games from your PC to your TV device for a couch experience.
Great video. Really like the honest roundup. It would have been great to touch some on the ethernet options as for some that may be an important aspect if they stream from Plex or similar. Also, are there any missing "normal/expected" apps on any of the platforms. I owned an earlier version of Apple TV device and it was missing too many standard apps at the time. So app support is key on these devices, so would have been fantastic to hear who is currently best in this category. I liked how you brought up the "fights" that can occur and some apps can get removed or no longer receive updates.
Suggestion: which one would you take for traveling? ATV is hard to use in a hotel network (can’t handle the splash screen) and is not very portable. I used to use Fire Stick but too many ads. Google TV handles the hotel splash screen and is very portable and is my go to when traveling. Never tried Roku stick.
That's an awesome question! Roku has a hotel/dorm/hospital mode. It's very easy to sign-in but does require a phone or laptop to bypass any wifi captive portal. I don't know, if it's still available, but I bought a very simple Roku with a composite option a few years ago. It was a mistake at the time, but it actually came in handy whilst traveling. Internet quality can usually be too mediocre for 4K. Some hotel television connections are cumbersome to reach or are inaccessible. No manufacturers seem to have figured out how to put an HDMI port on the front of flat panels just yet, but the composite connection can almost always be connected in more extreme cases. ua-cam.com/video/iPDcUGwfxak/v-deo.html Fortunately, hotels are getting better with streaming as the new norm. The last one I visited in Las Vegas last month had Tubi, UA-cam and Netflix integrated right into their system. Signing into Netflix was simply getting a one time use code directly from my personal device. This will probably become widespread over the next decade. Marriott worked with one of the streaming companies to test it out at some of their properties, and I did try it at a Fairfield Inn to mixed results back in the latter pre-pandemic days. Marriott is simply not my first brand of choice, so I rarely utilise the chain.
Great round-up, true there is no one device to rule them all. My trusty Roku Ultra does so much well and is simple enough for the tech challenged members of the house. Sadly the HD home run app is unrefined compared to the other platforms. And Channel's DVR app is non existent. My Nvidia Shield can run circles around it but is missing the private listening feature. I really like the full featured remote on the tivo stream 4K, it's too bad the device is so lacking.
I have since quit using Roku. Apple TV interface is as simple as Roku for the non techies in the house. It also has an excellent Channels DVR client. I use my Nvidia Shield for myself as it does casting and sideloaded apps.
Apple TV does not have any advertising in the interface at all. What you referred to as ads are just the app featured content which is entirely app controlled -- not part of the tvOS interface. Most apps use it to display your own watch list content, or a logo for the app, not ads. But if an app is using it for ads, you can easily turn it off.
I'm surprised you didn't include the Walmart Onn box. I've had one for months now, it was a steal at $30. Very clean Android interface, seems to handle what little 4k content I watch well.
@@LonSeidman Is your review for the TiVo Stream still unchanged from May of last year despite their discounts with the current Android TV updates? I know it's in the $25 neighborhood now, but I question whether TiVo has a future ahead.
Great informative video, long time viewer of your channel. Could you add or offer the pros and cons of just using an old computer as a media streamer - it's a great way repurose older devices to view content.
I enjoy the video but you have to stop calling Android TV when you are talking about Google TV. Android TV and Google TV maybe similar but Google TV brings more to the UI and home screen. Cuz I have Chromecast with Google TV so will you do that I know which device you are talking about. Somebody else who don't know what Google TV is make mistake it for Android TV. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
The voice feature in Firestick works fine for Amazon content, but we use UA-cam TV. Voice commands don’t work for UA-cam TV. Is that a failure of Firestick or UA-cam TV? Any workaround?
I don't see Roku nor FireTV in Norwegian stores. I am kind of worried about apps for Norwegian services on them. I would expect better support with Android and Apple. Being in the Android ecosystem, You confirmed my choice, going for Android. I just wonder if I should get an overpriced gray import, or wait for Google to officially release in Norway.
I have all four platforms on every single one of my TVs because I’m a nerd enthusiast. I find the Apple TV of course does the best with low vision and voice over in second place is the Amazon fire TV platform, followed by Google and then Roku. I really like all of them however great video.
I have an 2014 smart tv.......just old enough not to be supported by hula, sling,, etc. If I get a Ruka, can I use Sling or hula? This Roku device are very new to me, I had no idea they existed. But from the research I have done, this device kinda replace you tv smart hub I believe.
I just want a regular flat tv I don't need no smart TVs or Roku tv or Android TV's but as we all know they are not making the old models from 2011 my Sony Bravia just went down it doesn't show no images only voice and that tv I paid $199.99 great tv just can't find those tvs.
I’m sure you did your best to cover all the systems that are available. That said the Apple TV 4K has the best feature and support services. That said the price is much higher. That old saying you get what you payed for is very true. That Apple TV along with its Home automation is a very powerful system. I have all the systems you talked about except for the roku having a big family that I have helped out. They make great Christmas gifts. To be far, not everyone can afford the best so it’s good to see a wide range of devices and prices Your review is one of the best I’ve seen so far.
Great video but... You ignore the speed differences among the devices. The lower end devices are much slower than the ~$50 list price devices. I never recommend the bottom devices of Roku or Fire TV because the user is paying too much in wasted time waiting for apps and content to load. Also, you can sideload Android apps onto Fire TV devices.
Oh wow this video got recommended and it’s a perfect timing. I have an lg smart tv and their os is a bit abysmal. A friend has a tv with either fire or roku and I like what it offers. I’ve been interested in getting an add-on that would offer more variety than lgs os"
Thank you for all this info your honesty helps a lot so which in the Amazon system I can use with Bluetooth wireless headphones? So I don’t bother the other person
@@LonSeidman oh ok thanks Lon! I enjoy this kind of videos where you make all these comparisons on so many products to pick and one got to be aware more on what they are really picking (according to ones needs of course)
Hi, great video. It was unclear whether the private listening is exclusive to Roku. Does android TV also have a native option for private listening? Thanks
Bought a 3RD party remote which is a clone of the original Amazon Fire TV stick remote. It is okay, but very slow and you have to wait about 15 seconds to wake it up from sleep. The reason why I bought that remote is that the dog stole the original remote then destroyed it.
Android TV is the best for nerds like myself and Roku is the best for people who want simple with the most options. Fire TV is pretty cheap and easy to use as well and Apple TV is only useful if you are already in the Apple ecosystem and don't mind overpaying.
@@LonSeidman I forgot you guys got your own version of it. I’m in the U.K. and I got a ZX Spectrum 48 as my first computer!! But I have fond memories of the 81s great little systems!!
I have the Nvidia shield pro, and Roku ultra 19 version, apple tv newer model and I had Amazon fire cube all of them good top notch, love all of them each a little different than the other, but I most say Roku ultra is number one 1 love love love private listening 🎧 sold my fire cube I sold and really want to sell apple tv device, but I have to sell it also because I lost my sell iphone and Android DOES NOT WORK WELL with APPLE ! Selling. Selling my apple tv device for half price 100$ this year's model it's legget.
My Comcrap internet connection goes out alot with heavy rain storms. I have media servers. Smart tv's, fireTV's don't allow you to access plex/emby on your lan. BUT Roku does !! Way too cool. Soo, for our house we stick with Roku's for that reason. And piHole eliminates the ad tile next to channel tiles.
Just to be transparent, the reason Netflix doesn’t show up on Apple TV search is 100% because Netflix app doesn’t implement Apple’s search API. Apple doesn’t block Netflix from doing so. Furthermore, Apple doesn’t force Netflix to do so in order to be on their box.
@@LonSeidman Okay, maybe I’m just being picky or not understanding since it looked like you were showing the Google TV interface. And I think maybe some people will hear Android TV and get one of those Android boxes which would not like the same (I have one that my wife uses to watch Japanese TV.). Do the Shield use the same interface as the Google TV?
The Roku Ultra appears to have a USB 2.0 port in the front. How well does it play movies and music off external HDDs or SSDs? What formats are supported and their bit rates? While I can see definite benefits of voice commands for control of a media player and your home A/V gear the privacy invasion all of these entertainment computers utilize is just too high a price for me personally. My handicapped brother could have used these without knowing anything more than say a specific command word to get the attention of the spy bot and then tell it what you want it to do. "spybot play Wizard of OZ". So then he could watch that a thousand more times off external media just like he used to with a VCR but without talking to the VCR.
In my view in Australia I recommend Android TV as #1. NVIDIA Shield TV Pro as the high end and Chromecast with Google TV on the low end. Amazon Fire TV if you are not happy with Android TV or you want to connect a TV stick to a TV running Android TV #2.
That is great to hear. I owned a Gen 2 v3, and it was on the sluggish side. I hear this new one is really snappy , like you said. Has their app support come up to par with the others? Along with the sluggishness of the older generations I found it missing many of the apps I used. However, I assume Apple has fixed most of this by now? I use Plex, Tubi, Peacock, Hulu, UA-cam TV, Apple TV streaming, Amazon Video, Pureflix, Vudu (for rentals). I also cast from iPhones/iPads along with Android phones (we are a house divided :) )
I can play games with my PS4 controller on the Fire Stick 4k max. I also use an emulator for classic older games I own phisically from the 8 bit, 16 bit era.
The FireTV UI is garbage. Our Local walmart had a LOT of Roku Ultra LT's on clearance for $35. Those have MOST of the features of the ultra the minus the dolby stuff and a USB port.
Before I can cut the cord to my cable co, I need the 'streaming device' are Local stations, Recording programs, Hulu, Prime, Netflix et al. NONE of the 'devices' you talk about can do ALL of that!!! That I can see.
Nvidia shield is probably the best one and then the Google TV. But one thing I hate is that it doesn't support airplay for when friends come over. Also Google TV and Nvidia shield supports Google Stadia and those are top tier games but Nvidia has more top tier games with GeForce. Also nvidia has a Plex server. I've tried all streaming services but nvidia and Google TV are the best for me.
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I don't defend Google for their actions but I can't believe roku would think they could survive without UA-cam... Even now when looking for a new device I won't buy a roku simply because of how close they came to dropping youtube! Again I think it sucks that Google could throw its weight around like that but I need my UA-cam.
A “smart” TV is the dumbest thing one can buy. It’s obsolete long before the actual panel stops work. Just ignore the “smart” part of your new TV and use an external box.
I mean you can use the Smart part until it becomes obsolete which can take a good 5 years.
Hmm guess it depends on the TVs CPU. My TV is three years old and the smart apps still seem as nippy as day one? It's a Samsung btw
The Roku built in to my 3 year old TV works just fine. Smart apps built in to a Blu-ray player are truly awful though.
You are the only UA-cam creator that I've seen that actually mentions the private listening feature on Roku. That's a huge feature that never gets mentioned.
That's because the other platforms have bluetooth. So you can simply pair your earbuds/headphones with the tv instead of going through the Roku app or tv remote which in my opinion are just an inconvenience.
00:42 "Smart TVs get dumber over time." This is funny in more than one way. 🤣
2021 Apple TV 4K all day every day FTW.
Based on this video, I bought a Roku Express 4K+ to add streaming functionality to my 10yr old 'dumb' 1080p TV.
I got the "Express 4K+" for $25. I went with the "Express 4K+" over the more basic "Express" due to the remote with TV controls, and I'm very happy. Since my old TV is in the same room as my router and I'll be streaming 1080p, I don't see any issue with the older wifi support. Plus my router doesn't do Wifi AX, just AC. I like how the "Express 4k+" can be wired into my LAN, but it does stink that you need to buy a 3rd party solution.
I was thinking about upgrading my tv and was confused about the differences of Fire TV and Roku TV, and I'm honestly glad this video exists
Excellent summary overall. One thing I will say is that I have also been a Shield user since 2015, but one thing to note that I discovered recently is that HDR on UA-cam doesn't work, and never will. This is because the Shield does not have hardware support for VP9.2 codec that UA-cam uses for HDR since the chip is so old. This is something that most of the competitors offer, including the much cheaper Chromecast and even the latest Apple TV (which previously didn't even support UA-cam 4K due to the lack of VP9 support, but the latest model supports all the way up to VP9.2). Maybe not much of an issue since there's not much UA-cam HDR content out there, but it's worth noting. I've also noticed recently that the "match frame rate" option on the Shield doesn't work very well for a lot of apps; some of them will crash when you try to enable it, and others just won't do anything. This means the Shield gets stuck outputting 24fps content at 60fps, so you get nasty judder. It's even worse if you watch 25fps or 50fps PAL content. The Apple TV not only does this properly, it does it automatically on all content if you have the option turned on in the settings. It's really nice, because it allows my LG CX to handle all the frame rate conversion itself, which it does a much better job of than any of the players do on board. It's for these reasons that, begrudgingly, I've switched to using the Apple TV 4K for pretty much everything except local content playback. The Shield is still better at watching content over my local network via XBMC/Plex, but the Apple TV is better for any kind of app streaming.
Also worth noting that Xbox Blu-Ray playback is still wonky, especially with audio. To output Dolby Atmos to your receiver you have to install the Dolby app and enable settings in there. And if you have the Xbox connected to something that doesn't accept DTS (like most new LG TVs) it will refuse to play a disc that uses a DTS soundtrack. You have to go into the options and set it to process the audio onboard, but then you have to disable it if you want to pass Dolby audio again later. It's just not a very good Blu-ray player overall.
This is a good analysis. I debated covering this in the video (which is mostly aimed at general consumers) but opted to save the more technical analysis for a future video. I might do something separately on 24p / fillmmaker mode and which devices support it. I have found the Apple TV is the best at 24p content outside of built in TV apps.
@@LonSeidman , for your technical video, please also talk about how Roku Media Player (RMP) does NOT support decoding DTS. It can pass DTS audio to be decoded elsewhere (A/V receiver as such). Many of us have asked for DTS decoding support (either add a pay option (RMP Pro?) or allow a third party media player. Also, talk about what devices play what type of USB media (MP4, MKV - H264/H265).
@Lon.TV In 2021, Google began rolling out a large update to the Android TV platform. This update included many changes, a new interface, and a new name - *Google TV.* Google TV is designed to be more personalized than Android TV, with Google’s A.I. capabilities working behind the scenes to find recommended content. And, newer devices are adopting Google TV from the outset, so if you buy a new Sony TV and even some new TCL TVs today, it will come loaded with Google TV, not Android TV. Google’s own Chromecast has also been updated to the new version, which is officially called the Chromecast with Google TV. Google has plans to replace Android TV with Google TV by 2022! In the review, why not Google tv? Also the Google tv hardware is hyperlinked. It's not Android tv though.
This is a pretty good roundup. We're a Roku household ourselves, but I wanted to know what sort of advantages the other platforms offered. Thank you
Lots of good information. 👍
Thanks.
I tried to point out several times to people who were dumping their Roku devices that I thought they were changing too soon.
All of these services will have spats at one time or another.
It happens when renewed contract negotiations start, and almost always goes down to the wire.
I really like my Roku Ultra because of it's clean format and simple UI.
When the time comes to upgrade, I'll be getting another Roku Ultra.
what a wonderful vid.. Thanks Lon.. I know a lot of thought and time went into this.. thanks for all you do.. please keep up the good work..
Love your apple computers in the background
I'm envious of your geography versus Internet speed. It looks like a rather rural setting, yet your download/upload speeds are faster than any I've ever experienced.
Check out my series on how it all came about! lon.tv/gigpro
Great roundup! Think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. Crazy with all these streaming devices, there's no one to rule them all. They all have their strength's, weaknesses. Have a Shield TV Pro (2019) and even that doesn't have it all for me. Doubt we ever see that box.
This is a good overview.
However, it leaves one major technical aspect out of the discussion: Automatic Frame Rate Switching (AFS), especially 24p and 50 Hz playback.
I own the latest Apple TV 4K, an NVIDIA SHIELD TV (2017) and tested the Fire TV 4K stick and the Google TV stick. Roku is not avalable (yet) in my country.
The Fire TV only supports AFS on their Prime Video App.
The SHIELD has a beta version of AFS implemented which only works on Netflix, but no other streaming App.
The Google TV does not support 24p at all, so there will always be stuttering when watching 24p content.
The only device supporting AFS reliably for most Apps is the Apple TV 4K: It works with iTunes movies/shows, Amazon Prime Video, Netflix, Disney+ and most other Apps. The only App I use where AFS is not supported on the Apple TV 4K is UA-cam, but that's Google's fault.
So the Apple TV 4K is the only valid option to me personally, despite its admittedly very high price.
I purposely didn't get into the technical weeds in this one but this is a feature I will likely talk about in a more technically oriented episode. The inclusion of AFS is noticeably better on the Apple TV for sure.
I'm very happy with my Roku 4K streaming stick. It does what I want it to do and most of all it's not really expensive. I really like the fact you can choose what resolution you want to use. 4K Dolby Vision wow I love using that resolution sometimes.
I think most people would be happy with a Roku streaming device. Price and ease of use are two of the main factors and it's loaded with APPS.
Like your Mac SE behind you, your reviews as well. Ty
Overall I think a pretty fair assessment. But I think the fact that Roku/FireTV have had frequent issues offering apps (HBO Max/UA-cam TV) similar to the carrage fee fights cable companies have with channel providers deserved more weight. I would also say the AppleTV deserved a fairer shake. Absolutely, it's expensive. But it's a much more polished experience. Those 'ads' or video previews can be turned off for a better "top shelf" (their term for the feature of apps on the top row) experience. But just the scrolling experience has a better feel in most apps that take advantage of native APIs. And the Apple TV is the only box I've use (tried them all except Roku), where a simple voice command will turn off subtitles in every app. Or the "what did he say" to rewind and turn on subtitles.
I hv watched many reviews for days, results:..#1 ROKU.. #2..ROKU ..#3..ROKU. Easy user friendly, cheap, keeping up with competition. Rest all are stifling you, forcing users to their way or highway, cluttering Advertisements, expensive.
I love all the free media apps we have these days, :) anyone else have subscription fatigue?
We're really spoiled for choice! Great roundup, great channel thanks. How would you add additional hdmi ports to a TV that has too few?
A home theater receiver is a good for that or just get a drm compatible switch box
Awesome comparison! I use game console, roku , plus smart tv apps I will try android tv next
Great comparison! I think since we are talking about media consumption, the term "frame rate adjustment" deserves to be on the comparison list.. since it can literally mess up the viewing experience.. After a lot of searching i am still clueless when it comes to what each platform can deliver in that aspect. Maybe a follow up comparison touching on the frame rate capabilities?
Tune in tonight on this very topic!!
I'd go for an Nvidia Shield tv any day. I understand that they are more expensive but for instance the 2015 version is still supported now and is still very fast. Also it's a stellar emulation device. Worth every penny
Yes the Nvidia shield has been EXCELLENT! No regrets for me.
I wholeheartedly agree!! The ShieldTV was 10yrs ahead of its time. I really hope Nvidia stays in the game. Their streaming consoles are top shelf.
They need to make new one
Great comparison Lon. Big fan of the channel. However, this doesn't take into account users who don't reside in the U.S. When it comes to streaming or more generally content, geography matters a lot. As someone living outside of the U.S, I know firsthand how uneven the online streaming space is. So, Roku is great but only if you live in the U.S. While a Roku device will work outside of the U.S, most of the services won't include Roku's own streaming channel. So Roku wouldn't be my least recommended player for users outside of the U.S. Even worse, Roku has no support for VPN apps, so even those who have traveled abroad with their devices will be locked out like the rest of us.
The best player for international users is without a doubt any of the Android TV players. Google/Android is the most universally facing Tech company on earth. Chromecast by Google TV comes highly recommended, but even then some services won't work in most regions including Live TV features and Movies recommendations. Android TV supports DStv's streaming app as well as Showmax both of which are absent on the other platforms. These services are owned by the biggest satellite pay tv provider on the African continent.
Amazon fire tv would be my second recommendation, but be aware that IMDB TV(now Freeve) owned by Amazon has limited support outside of the U.S. But Prime is mostly globally available. Haven't used Apple TV. I know they don't support VPN apps, so no easy way around geo restrictions. But Apple TV+ is supported in most regions in the world. That's all.
Excellent explanation for newbies
Thank you.
Hi there! I really enjoyed your review. I just wanted to mention one Roku feature that, to me, was the deal maker: I can connect my Roku streaming stick to my TVs USB port, which I can't do with any other device. I don't have to tell you how much flexibility that feature can give you...
Is that for powering it ?
@@LonSeidman Yes
Good roundup review of media streaming options. I will say that if you are a PC gamer looking for a tv streaming device, just get the Nvidia Shield and don't look back. Trust me. The shield supports streaming games from your PC to your TV device for a couch experience.
You should mention that the TiVo 4 K streaming stick in my opinion is better than the rest.
It also has expanded memory available.
Apple TV if you can afford it, Roku if your on a budget. I don’t like the Roku express seems laggy.
Great video. Really like the honest roundup. It would have been great to touch some on the ethernet options as for some that may be an important aspect if they stream from Plex or similar. Also, are there any missing "normal/expected" apps on any of the platforms. I owned an earlier version of Apple TV device and it was missing too many standard apps at the time. So app support is key on these devices, so would have been fantastic to hear who is currently best in this category. I liked how you brought up the "fights" that can occur and some apps can get removed or no longer receive updates.
Suggestion: which one would you take for traveling? ATV is hard to use in a hotel network (can’t handle the splash screen) and is not very portable. I used to use Fire Stick but too many ads. Google TV handles the hotel splash screen and is very portable and is my go to when traveling. Never tried Roku stick.
It looks like the Roku's have support for the splash screens: support.roku.com/article/215058118
That's an awesome question!
Roku has a hotel/dorm/hospital mode. It's very easy to sign-in but does require a phone or laptop to bypass any wifi captive portal.
I don't know, if it's still available, but I bought a very simple Roku with a composite option a few years ago. It was a mistake at the time, but it actually came in handy whilst traveling. Internet quality can usually be too mediocre for 4K. Some hotel television connections are cumbersome to reach or are inaccessible. No manufacturers seem to have figured out how to put an HDMI port on the front of flat panels just yet, but the composite connection can almost always be connected in more extreme cases. ua-cam.com/video/iPDcUGwfxak/v-deo.html Fortunately, hotels are getting better with streaming as the new norm. The last one I visited in Las Vegas last month had Tubi, UA-cam and Netflix integrated right into their system. Signing into Netflix was simply getting a one time use code directly from my personal device. This will probably become widespread over the next decade. Marriott worked with one of the streaming companies to test it out at some of their properties, and I did try it at a Fairfield Inn to mixed results back in the latter pre-pandemic days. Marriott is simply not my first brand of choice, so I rarely utilise the chain.
Which one if you have a lan cable available and don't want to use WiFi?
Wow. Good info about biases on offerings in devices and services
Great round-up, true there is no one device to rule them all. My trusty Roku Ultra does so much well and is simple enough for the tech challenged members of the house. Sadly the HD home run app is unrefined compared to the other platforms. And Channel's DVR app is non existent. My Nvidia Shield can run circles around it but is missing the private listening feature. I really like the full featured remote on the tivo stream 4K, it's too bad the device is so lacking.
I achieved private listening on my Nvidia shield with Onn TWS earbuds. I also have the 2015 remote with the headphone jack.
I see little use for Roku without the Channels DVR app, or any sideloads for that matter.
I have since quit using Roku. Apple TV interface is as simple as Roku for the non techies in the house. It also has an excellent Channels DVR client. I use my Nvidia Shield for myself as it does casting and sideloaded apps.
LOL comparing sticks. Well my stick is bigger than your stick. I must have sparked this debate with my last comment.
I have an average size one, but it can do all the tricks!
Apple TV does not have any advertising in the interface at all. What you referred to as ads are just the app featured content which is entirely app controlled -- not part of the tvOS interface. Most apps use it to display your own watch list content, or a logo for the app, not ads. But if an app is using it for ads, you can easily turn it off.
By default it is running advertising from Apple on boot - that’s what I was referring to.
I always like the Google product but Rokus got the best free tv shows.
What app(s) do u use for the free tv?
I'm surprised you didn't include the Walmart Onn box. I've had one for months now, it was a steal at $30. Very clean Android interface, seems to handle what little 4k content I watch well.
It’s an android tv - I think the Google TV is the best one out there and competitively priced.
But - I did get one in last week and will have a review up soon.
@@LonSeidman Is your review for the TiVo Stream still unchanged from May of last year despite their discounts with the current Android TV updates? I know it's in the $25 neighborhood now, but I question whether TiVo has a future ahead.
@@MrSchimpf I do plan to revisit it but I feel the Google device is just so much better than anything at or near its price point.
@@LonSeidman Totally makes sense; I bought the Chromecast as soon as I could and it’s expansion options via USB-C and interface are incomparable.
Great informative video, long time viewer of your channel. Could you add or offer the pros and cons of just using an old computer as a media streamer - it's a great way repurose older devices to view content.
Yes just in time for the holidays!!
I enjoy the video but you have to stop calling Android TV when you are talking about Google TV. Android TV and Google TV maybe similar but Google TV brings more to the UI and home screen. Cuz I have Chromecast with Google TV so will you do that I know which device you are talking about. Somebody else who don't know what Google TV is make mistake it for Android TV. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
I like the ability for the new Google TV remote to control my TV's power and input.
12,000 notifications!!!…is that your email??? You need a secretary, Lon my friend
Roku = ‘6’ in Japanese. The Roku was the creator’s 6th thing he came up with.
The voice feature in Firestick works fine for Amazon content, but we use UA-cam TV. Voice commands don’t work for UA-cam TV. Is that a failure of Firestick or UA-cam TV? Any workaround?
I’m really impressed. You know your shat and are reeeaally thorough. Great information!
I don't see Roku nor FireTV in Norwegian stores. I am kind of worried about apps for Norwegian services on them.
I would expect better support with Android and Apple.
Being in the Android ecosystem, You confirmed my choice, going for Android. I just wonder if I should get an overpriced gray import, or wait for Google to officially release in Norway.
I have all four platforms on every single one of my TVs because I’m a nerd enthusiast. I find the Apple TV of course does the best with low vision and voice over in second place is the Amazon fire TV platform, followed by Google and then Roku. I really like all of them however great video.
I have an 2014 smart tv.......just old enough not to be supported by hula, sling,, etc.
If I get a Ruka, can I use Sling or hula?
This Roku device are very new to me, I had no idea they existed. But from the research I have done,
this device kinda replace you tv smart hub I believe.
And before 2016, samsung smart tvs dont have youtube tv.
I miss private listening but since twitch was removed from roku I went with the older 4k fire stick and love it
You can connect Bluetooth headphones directly to it for private listing.
Same here, the lack of a twitch app and star+ app is such a downer.
Amazed Android tv has the least amount of intrusive ads
Excellent review. Thx Lon
This actually worked!!!! Thank you so much
I just want a regular flat tv I don't need no smart TVs or Roku tv or Android TV's but as we all know they are not making the old models from 2011 my Sony Bravia just went down it doesn't show no images only voice and that tv I paid $199.99 great tv just can't find those tvs.
Thanks. I have Apple TV for my bedroom, Roku for my living room and just ordered an Amazon Fire TV. I just need Chromecast to complete the set 😃
Any preference based on your experience? Which do you like more?
I’m sure you did your best to cover all the systems that are available. That said the Apple TV 4K has the best feature and support services. That said the price is much higher. That old saying you get what you payed for is very true. That Apple TV along with its Home automation is a very powerful system.
I have all the systems you talked about except for the roku having a big family that I have helped out. They make great Christmas gifts. To be far, not everyone can afford the best so it’s good to see a wide range of devices and prices
Your review is one of the best I’ve seen so far.
Great video but... You ignore the speed differences among the devices. The lower end devices are much slower than the ~$50 list price devices. I never recommend the bottom devices of Roku or Fire TV because the user is paying too much in wasted time waiting for apps and content to load.
Also, you can sideload Android apps onto Fire TV devices.
Oh wow this video got recommended and it’s a perfect timing. I have an lg smart tv and their os is a bit abysmal. A friend has a tv with either fire or roku and I like what it offers. I’ve been interested in getting an add-on that would offer more variety than lgs os"
Apple tv is the best. Have everyone, Apple has the best picture and speed plus layout by far!
I would have been curious about comparing the video and audio formats that these tv boxes Support. For example, which support Dolby Vision
This was mentioned - all of the 4k devices I mentioned and/or recommended support Dolby Vision.
Thank you for all this info your honesty helps a lot so which in the Amazon system I can use with Bluetooth wireless headphones?
So I don’t bother the other person
They should all support bluetooth headphones
@@LonSeidman oh ok thanks Lon! I enjoy this kind of videos where you make all these comparisons on so many products to pick and one got to be aware more on what they are really picking
(according to ones needs of course)
Hi, great video.
It was unclear whether the private listening is exclusive to Roku.
Does android TV also have a native option for private listening?
Thanks
Hi like allways top vid again!!! thx
Bought a 3RD party remote which is a clone of the original Amazon Fire TV stick remote. It is okay, but very slow and you have to wait about 15 seconds to wake it up from sleep. The reason why I bought that remote is that the dog stole the original remote then destroyed it.
Great Video 👍
Only thing I don't like on roku is that it isn't work with kodi. Firestick is too bloat with amazon crap.
Xfinity App isn’t on Apple or Android platforms just Roku, which I have.
Android TV is the best for nerds like myself and Roku is the best for people who want simple with the most options. Fire TV is pretty cheap and easy to use as well and Apple TV is only useful if you are already in the Apple ecosystem and don't mind overpaying.
Waaay I just bought a Roku 4k stick very happy with it.. Is that a ZX 81 on the shelf??
It's the US version called the Timex Sinclair 1000 - but the same device. My first computer!
@@LonSeidman I forgot you guys got your own version of it. I’m in the U.K. and I got a ZX Spectrum 48 as my first computer!! But I have fond memories of the 81s great little systems!!
Did you forget the fireTV stick light and both onn devices? Why they are not included here as an option?
Stick light was mentioned. Onn device is ok but Amazon devices offer more for the price point
I have the Nvidia shield pro, and Roku ultra 19 version, apple tv newer model and I had Amazon fire cube
all of them good top notch, love all of them each a little different than the other, but I most say Roku ultra is number one 1 love love love private listening 🎧 sold my fire cube I sold and really want to sell apple tv device, but I have to sell it also because I lost my sell iphone and Android DOES NOT WORK WELL with APPLE ! Selling. Selling my apple tv device for half price 100$ this year's model it's legget.
Roku bonus: Green Acres for free! Found it there the other night.
My Comcrap internet connection goes out alot with heavy rain storms. I have media servers. Smart tv's, fireTV's don't allow you to access plex/emby on your lan. BUT Roku does !! Way too cool. Soo, for our house we stick with Roku's for that reason. And piHole eliminates the ad tile next to channel tiles.
I got of of my Shield TV because of the DS across the top third of the screen after the most recent update, I am getting an Apple TV to replace it.
Just to be transparent, the reason Netflix doesn’t show up on Apple TV search is 100% because Netflix app doesn’t implement Apple’s search API. Apple doesn’t block Netflix from doing so. Furthermore, Apple doesn’t force Netflix to do so in order to be on their box.
Regarding browser experience why is Roku so underwhelming without mirroring?
Lon, is there a reason why you are calling it Android TV? Isn’t it called Google TV?
Google TV is Android TV everywhere except the Chromecast.
@@LonSeidman Okay, maybe I’m just being picky or not understanding since it looked like you were showing the Google TV interface. And I think maybe some people will hear Android TV and get one of those Android boxes which would not like the same (I have one that my wife uses to watch Japanese TV.). Do the Shield use the same interface as the Google TV?
That’s why I made the recommendation for the Google device - there really isn’t anything even close to it at that price point.
The Roku Ultra appears to have a USB 2.0 port in the front. How well does it play movies and music off external HDDs or SSDs? What formats are supported and their bit rates? While I can see definite benefits of voice commands for control of a media player and your home A/V gear the privacy invasion all of these entertainment computers utilize is just too high a price for me personally. My handicapped brother could have used these without knowing anything more than say a specific command word to get the attention of the spy bot and then tell it what you want it to do.
"spybot play Wizard of OZ". So then he could watch that a thousand more times off external media just like he used to with a VCR but without talking to the VCR.
In my view in Australia I recommend Android TV as #1. NVIDIA Shield TV Pro as the high end and Chromecast with Google TV on the low end. Amazon Fire TV if you are not happy with Android TV or you want to connect a TV stick to a TV running Android TV #2.
Apple TV is definitely pricey but man, you can't beat that snappiness. That's worth it in my view, and I also love the "global player controls".
That is great to hear. I owned a Gen 2 v3, and it was on the sluggish side. I hear this new one is really snappy , like you said. Has their app support come up to par with the others? Along with the sluggishness of the older generations I found it missing many of the apps I used. However, I assume Apple has fixed most of this by now? I use Plex, Tubi, Peacock, Hulu, UA-cam TV, Apple TV streaming, Amazon Video, Pureflix, Vudu (for rentals). I also cast from iPhones/iPads along with Android phones (we are a house divided :) )
Onn Google Tv box Walmart $20 your welcome
Great video! Could u share a link to the hdmi switcher you’re using to connect all the devices!? Thanks!
I integrated everything into Vmix: ua-cam.com/video/QHVGhvwuEYg/v-deo.html
@@LonSeidman thanks so much brother! Great channel! 🙏🏼
Thank you
I have a Roku 240, how do I install apps?
I can play games with my PS4 controller on the Fire Stick 4k max. I also use an emulator for classic older games I own phisically from the 8 bit, 16 bit era.
You know you can mirror Comcast stick with your Android phone I do that sometimes I'm surprised he didn't mention that but oh well 🤷🏻♂️
Do u mean chromecast stick
Crazy paying for ads and with that said only the Fire TV and Chromecast can side load Kodi which makes it the most attractive for the money ! ...LoL
The moral of the story : Connect a pc instead of using ay of these.
The FireTV UI is garbage. Our Local walmart had a LOT of Roku Ultra LT's on clearance for $35. Those have MOST of the features of the ultra the minus the dolby stuff and a USB port.
Before I can cut the cord to my cable co, I need the 'streaming device' are Local stations, Recording programs, Hulu, Prime, Netflix et al. NONE of the 'devices' you talk about can do ALL of that!!! That I can see.
Piracy is your best friend.
Not the most conveinent option but def the most cost efficent
Do video on how to get free streaming services on them cheers
What about Google TV?
Nvidia shield is probably the best one and then the Google TV. But one thing I hate is that it doesn't support airplay for when friends come over. Also Google TV and Nvidia shield supports Google Stadia and those are top tier games but Nvidia has more top tier games with GeForce. Also nvidia has a Plex server. I've tried all streaming services but nvidia and Google TV are the best for me.
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I don't defend Google for their actions but I can't believe roku would think they could survive without UA-cam... Even now when looking for a new device I won't buy a roku simply because of how close they came to dropping youtube! Again I think it sucks that Google could throw its weight around like that but I need my UA-cam.
I thought the google device was google tv and not android tv.
Just waiting for Roku Ultra to include gigabit ethernet wired.
Walmart has 30 buck smart box
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