Indeed, I've been outside of the accademic philosophy world for a while and hadn't come across him before. It would be good to make it easier to search his work rather than skipping through the interview to confirm his name again.
I hate the whole "innocent women and children" line. They're all innocent. The men included. The idea that the women and children are innocent but the men aren't is basically a concession to genocide.
There's a reason they say women and children, it's not through hatred of men, it's because of the fragility that people understand when women and children are victims. We've done well in history having the safety of women and children being prioritised. It's a precedent.
Palestine especially Gaza has always been trying to appeal to the world who says all men are fighters. That's why they don't talk about civilian men murdered most of the time.
Gaza? In most contexts when fighting a less conventional military enemy, "fighting age males" is nothing to sneeze at. Roughly 14 and up. They don't all take up arms, and we should make that distinction. But some of them do
The fact that JP said on Piers Morgan that Tommy Robinson was his chief source of information from Britain suggests he should no longer be taken seriously.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
Yeah, I thought that was really weird. The UK media in general has covered this extensively and even the BBC hasn't pulled its punches. He said that TR has been his main news source for the last 15 years. I think he might be fibbing to prop up his recent TR affiliation.
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH!
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
Part of the grift? Mr Robinson's cousin was raped and his uncle died after an assault by Luton residents of Pakistani descent. I don't like everything Tommy says but he grew up on the streets of Luton unlike this well spoken philosopher who has probably never been in a street fight.
You can't tell these people that because they simply don't believe that place's like bury park exist and you know they don't have the balls to go and take a look.
Ironically a few days ago this same podcaster was saying that it was a disgrace that the grooming gang victims weren’t believed because they were working class and rough round the edges, yet dismisses Tommy Robinson in the exact same way. “If only he had decent R.E lessons like we did..teehee”
@@Norfolkandchance886 grew up in luton, my dad my sister and i regularly went to bury park, the only time any one of us felt unsafe was when there was a football match or when the edl did marches.
If those are true, and I've no reason to think that you're lying, then those are crimes that should be prosecuted. It certainly isn't a justification for demonising groups and inciting fear, hatred or violence against them. I have no idea how having been in a physical fight adds to Tommy's credibility or even that that's something we should be considering to be a prsiseworthy thing
Very odd decision to stick Tommy Robinsons names in the heading and description but the name of the philosopher you are talking to throughout this video is nowhere to be found. Bizarre.
I think it`s a very good decision. Philosophers are 10 a penny, Tommy Robinson is unique and very brave - for all his faults. He`s surrounded by enemies and critics, yet still he fights on for the little girls who were brutally raped by hundreds of muslim men, whom we`ve only recently been allowed to speak about - or even call them out for what they are. Come down off your high horses, Tommy is not educated to your level but - ........."even the dull and ignorant have their story to tell`. He`s lived amongst these communities and has watched it all happening and that`s what made him angry.
@@daisyhobbs7500 He has convictions for violence and dishonesty, he's put at risk grooming gang trials, he gambled away six figures while receiving donations from supporters, and he's subject to a stalking prevention order. There are far better people than him working in this field.
I think these two are so naive. I say this as someone who’s well versed in Islam. Part of my family is Muslim. My wife herself was raised within a Muslim household. As the saying goes evil exists when good men do nothing. For far too long due to political correctness and fear of offending a religious community institutions were complicit. You don’t have to like Tommy but at least he had the balls where others didn’t to sound the alarm. What I’d like to see is less finger pointing about Tommy, Rogan and Peterson and more honest discussion about how to tackle elements of the ideology which are problematic so that the next generation don’t experience the ordeal of girls gone by. That requires tough unpleasant and unpopular topics being discussed and hard grown up conversations. A lot of these issues are cultural but have credibility in schools of jurisprudence, tafsirs and authentic hadiths. These things need addressing. I growing up had to wrestle with them. My wife had to wrestle with them. At this moment in time Jack is too eager to please the establishment here. People downplay the religious element of these attacks at their peril.
What most, if not all people missing is the Israeli lobby's involvement with Robinson as well as Peterson recently since he joined the DW !!!!! Robinson is actively working for division on behalf of Israel in the uk, hence that x post too
@@sallyb3806 Professor of Philosophy of religion. He teaches courses and lectures on that topic amongst others that may lay adjacent. Edit: and conducts research.
No, the only way to face criminal charges for any kind of speech in the United States is if it involves an immediate threat of danger or violence. That standard is high when it comes to threats to an individual and it’s much higher when the threat is towards the government. What Tommy Robinson said might get him a civil suit from an individual for defamation, but from what I could tell, there is absolutely no way he would receive a fine or face jail. The idea that someone would face jail time for something said online that isnt a reasonable and credible threat of immediate violence is bizarre and Orwellian to me.
You may be right that Mr Robinson would not be in prison in the USA for his behaviour, although there are 50 states along with the District of Columbia, and about 20 states have criminal defamation laws (punishable by prison albeit rarely in practice, and for which criminal contempt sanctions may be allowed). Damages are also a thing there. Either way, Mr Robinson's wrongdoing was in the jurisdiction of England and Wales. On ten occasions (to which he admitted) he chose to breach a court order that he stop making a specific set of defamatory statements about a boy who had sued him for defamation and won. Aggravating factors in considering the period of his committal (time in prison) included the fact that contempt proceedings were begun after the first four occasions but he nevertheless went on to do it another six times; and that during these contempt proceedings he failed to attend a hearing he was ordered to attend (another contempt in itself). He did all that instead of adopting the law-abiding approaches of appealing against the defamation judgment or applying to vary the court order. Incidentally, instead of paying damages he has declared bankruptcy; he told the court he was in lots of debt and that he had gambled away £100k while receiving donations from supporters. If someone won't be punished after a trial concludes there was defamation then there is no point in defamation law and you might say that's all to the good but, to me, it's not obviously true that an adult who can't support their claims to the civil standard should be free to make a sustained campaign of defamatory statements about a child, causing misery, harassment and other consequences. If Mr Robinson had no previous convictions including one for illegally entering the USA, perhaps he would be able to live in a more defamation-friendly US state,
I'm afraid I can't accept this female as a serious interviewer. This is clearly a hit piece against Tommy Robinson. The 'philosopher' is clearly trying to cause damage to Tommy Robinson's reputation. A very bad piece of journalism. Someone sent him a WhatsApp? The information missed her completely? Sorry, it just doesn't ring true. Pathetic.
At 09:40: Nit picky - but there are allowances for victim testimony to be recorded and not given in front of their abuser. Not as prevalent as perhaps it should be, but misleading to suggest we don't do that at all in the judicial system.
6:52 "There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy….So long as we persist in this inborn error, and indeed even become confirmed in it through optimistic dogmas, the world seems to us full of contradictions." Arthur Schopenhauer
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
No this man is obnoxious he was rude and condescending to a young woman on Piers interview boasting about his credentials to suggest he was more knowledgable than her just because he didn’t agree with something she said. Had to stop watching after that as I’m about to do now
I thought he was fantastic & fact checked her. If you choose to believe that woman then it shows you just want to buy into the hate narrative and dont care for evidence that dr Jack was citing.
This is just the beginning…circa 1930s Germany Point to the 20% of these crimes committed by Brits of South Asian descent. Whilst, ignoring the state-sanctioned violence via The Church of England🤷🏾♂️
You people never think you deserve any reckoning for putting muslims ahead of your own people. Loyalty & love of country are like poison to you things. How tragic for England.
If 3% of the population is commiting 20% of the crime, then that is a massive problem within that section of the population. That is something that needs addressing.
@@GaryParris Robinson would not have been charged for contempt of court in the US. Robinson did not plead guilty to making libelous claims against the Syrian boy. Also, I'm not a fan of either Robinson or Peterson but Robinson is being used for political purposes. He shouldn't be in prison for what he did.
Peterson isn't really cheerleading Robinson either. He just gave him a platform to speak. The trouble with this obsession in going after Robinson is that he's being built up as a martyr. Musk on the other is using Robinson to try to get Farage out and Lowe in. Lowe is a hardcore Austrian economist. Better to leave Farage as leader. Just stop going on about Robinson. The reason Americans are supporting Robinson is because they have a much better sense of justice and free speech and can see Robinson is being unfairly targeted with lawfare and endless lies in the media about what he has said and done even if he has said bad things.
I agree with many of the things that you're saying, especially regarding Tommy Robinson, Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk, however, I think when we're talking about the mainly Pakistani-British nonce gangs, it doesn't serve the victims to skirt around the subject by repeatedly mentioning various other types of paedophilia. Paedophilia, in general, isn't the subject at hand, the subject is this particular type of crime that seems to have a cultural and religious component; experts on the subject such as Trevor Phillips, Ann Cryer, Sara Rowbotham, Simon Danczuk, Sammy Woodhouse, Maggie Oliver, Nazir Afzal and Andrew Norfolk will all tell you the same thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is how we've ended up in this mess in the first place and we shouldn't be afraid of acknowledging hard truths when children's lives are at stake. No one's saying we shouldn't prosecute all the different types of paedophilia, or that it has to be one or the other. They're noticing a pattern that's occurring across the country, that appears to disproportionally involve a specific community, and want to get to the bottom of it. I agree that we should implement the recommendations from the Jay report while simultaneously commissioning a national inquiry into grooming gangs. The more data we can collect, the better.
And if there was another national inquiry, and it ended up agreeing with the Home Office's own report in 2020, which, while not without faults, found that Asian gangs were not disproportionality involved in group base sexual abuse - do you think people would accept those results?
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically Pakistani-British Muslim gangs. But yes, provided the information is in-depth and presented transparently, I expect the majority of people would accept the findings if that happens to be the case.
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically majority Pakistani-British nonce gangs. But yeah, if the inquiry is fully researched and it shows proportionally there's no issue, I believe most people would accept the results.
The problem nowadays is that everyone is throwing everyone under the bus simply to gain on social media ( make money ).... No action is taken on anything just a lot of hot air for 30 minutes before they go on their next podcast.......
I think it's a good point on teaching more RE in schools so you have a greater understanding of people's beliefs. It would go a long way towards changing people's warped perspectives on religion. Even if you're atheist or agnostic (like I am) it's a good idea to know "why" so you don't get people like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon "making shit up".
Correct. I went to a Catholic Convent school. We had to learn about the major religions of the world. We knew all the basic tenets of other religions and even visited a mosque and talks to an imam so we could ask him questions (we went to a Gurdwara ,Temple and synagogue too). None of us grew up with anymore animosity towards people of those religions than our own! 😂
@@daftgowk1 Most religious people have a lot more capacity for nuance than you give them credit for. I used to think like you, but I it's only a minority of religious people I've met who I would describe as having 'blind' faith. It's comforting to think you are smarter than everyone else, but try a bit of humility, listen to people etc.
@ValQuinn you don't need to preach to me. I have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. Its all culty nonsense used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching culty nonsense.
@@ValQuinnI have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. They are all cults used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching cults as a subject
Peterson got his start saying the most utterly objectionable things about trans and gender diverse people in Canada. He has *long* been off the edge. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge his rhetorical skills in various psychology lectures and so on, but the idea he is only now radicalised in a dangerous way is about 5 years too late, I'm sorry. He just played the role of prosperity padre for young men better than many others.
He was against laws being mandated that tried to force his people to use l specific anguage, which is an understandable position. Jack is correct that JP went bat shit after joining right wing news organizations.
Nathan Robinson had his number years ago when he wrote about Peterson in Current Affairs. Peterson's scribblings in Maps of Meaning were the canary in the coalmine.
Not really. His views on transgender people align with the majority of people in the UK. Most people don't think kids can be given puberty blockers, that's just reality
Like it or not, the trans activists managed to trick the medical community into giving out treatment with scant evidence. Its a national scandal, not a surprise most normal people in the UK know it's wrong to mutilate kids
I’m seriously worried that the likes of Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Tommy Robinson and now Zuckerberg can so easily stir up the far right shit show. I’m now in the process of coming off X, Facebook and Instagram and switching to Blue Sky
It's weird, I would support the people I oppose to be given platforms because I'm confident in my beliefs. I want their ideas in the open so they can be challenged and shown for how absurd they are.
Its a double edge sword because on one hand you're correct in wanting to be able to challenge those ideas with the belief that your ideas are more rooted in facts and understanding, but on the other hand its a lot easier to brainwash a society with misinformation than it is to educate them or "deprogram" society that is paralyzed by some dangerously stupid world view. Thats why i agree with Joe in that free speech should be a means to an end because although free speech is important to a morally just society it doesn't mean free speech can't be used as a trojan horse or vector in bringing about the destruction of a society.
@@one_of_the_Bobs This is wrong. Brainwashing happens when free speech doesn't exist. What we want is everyone to say what's on their minds and society decides whether they are wrong or right.
@@richardgullick1867 Most effectively it's public shame that arbitrates what is objectionable/dangerously stupid. For example if you say publicly today what 50 years ago would be commonly heard and accepted about certain races, genders, sexual preference etc then most people around you would tell you to stop being a dick. That sense of shame works quite well to safeguard norms and protected categories - if you think about verbalising a racist thought, you may decide not to because of the social effect / backlash. The overton window on these issues has only shifted because of the hard work and risks taken mostly by members of the persecuted groups (feminist movement, anti-racist campaigners etc). The problem with social media is that it is anonymised and depersonalised, and the profit incentive and structure means that it achieves the opposite effect. The most objectionable views are magnified because they drive engagement and clicks, and the most objectionable people gain larger audiences for the same reason. So it's not as simple as giving platforms to people from a wide range of views and letting the marketplace of ideas decide on which ones are correct, because that will never be possible with the incentive structures and profit model of large social media platforms.
Dr Jack thank you for your knowledge. I was getting depressed from ignorant grifters like sam harris who claim they are experts on Islam and in reality they read 2 pages on wikipedia and talk nonsense 24-7
I went on Joe Rogan last year and told him to de-platform Tommy Robinson... That went well, Rogan is notoriously far left these days isn't he? Christ almighty.
I think your emotions are clouding your view on Tommy Robinson. For example, you misinterpret his tweet at 1:17, where you misinterpet his tweet as insulting innocent palestinians because you didn't realise that islamist is not the same as muslim.
Far right is mildly Conservative most of the time. The left have gotten away with so much engineering that they've managed to gaslight people into thinking they are extreme for resisting mass migration and LGBT theory. Push back
"The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) in England and Wales was an inquiry examining how the country's institutions handled their duty of care to protect children from sexual abuse. It was announced by the British Home Secretary, Theresa May, on 7 July 2014. It published its 19th and final report on 20 October 2022."
Texts, ideas, and arguments can be analyzed and deconstructed for clarity or critique, but individuals, with all their complexities, cannot be reduced to mere fragments. This distinction is key in fostering constructive discussions while respecting human dignity.
I would agree with Ava here that JP has always been an agitator in his time in the spotlight. He may very well be knowledgeable in his field (Which maybe is Jacks point) but what he uses that knowledge and his position for has quite often been dangerous and misguides people. I refuse to believe a man with his intelligence does not know that he often mischaracterises things he is talking about, an academic who acts in bad faith is always sad.
No I think that he embraces politics not out of strategising but out of earnest care and interest. Just because he's political doesn't mean he's corrupt
This guy talking likes to extrapolate from theory and assumption. Could we see him talking to victims of these rape gangs, with demeaning tone that he seems to like using, or going to the areas being reported as being troublesome 👍🏼
There is a convenient confusion (for the far right) between what should be allowed to be said, and what is right or wrong to say. Stating that someone has said something wrong does not detract from their freedom to say it. Words can have many different uses and individually are hard to demarcate as in themselves wrong or right, or warranting being outlawed. Context is key. Context plays a role not only in the meaning, but strength of influence. This reaches into network theory and what can be consitituted as hubs on a network, like a convetional newspaper, but equally a influencer with 100k followers. A reasonable level of fact checking should be expected on those who partake in influential roles in our social network that should be in the realm of the law. Outside of this there are plenty of things that shouldn't be, but should be allowed, to be said. As a listener we should be equally compelled to call this out. This promotes the practice of reason among the populus as well as the sense of freedom of speech.
You've got that wrong mate. Biological anthropologist Helen Fisher said once that humans are optimized for survival, not happiness. I agree. We're here to have children and we should try and make that journey as happy as we can.
@@fooddrinkfusion1013Ten names?? Wow you're clever. If you had the guts to speak out against Islam you would have to change yours as well. Many people have had to if you look it up. I wonder why that is.
Claiming religious illiteracy is the issue of this topic is mad. Jack just brazenly went over a fact on pedophilia within the Quran as if it’s not an issue or related to this whole topic. This is wild
Probably made up by the Guardian as usual, the media have been caught lying many many times, like claiming he pleaded guilty one time when he was never even told what the charge was so couldnt have pleaded guilty, even the court of appeal had to admit that.
This guy comes across as very arrogant. Seems put out because people are not listening to his clearly superior opinion. I'm not a fan of Robinson by the way , but Im even less of a fan of preachy Narcissists.
It's ridiculous when any of the Abrahamic religions try to point fingers at the other. The truth is these religions were made by men who didn't consider women equal to them. These are people who would stone a woman for remarrying, but not the man she remarried. I don't know if Muslims have a form of this hypocrisy or not, but I've grown up in a country that considers itself Chrisitian and not a single believer rejects the idea that Lot married his daughters after his god turned his wife into a pillar of salt. There are scores of stories in which the god of the bible commits genocide, including killing prenatal babies.
A philosopher may be fascinated to watch this clip, and ponder whether the questions asked give their game away... An academic would do well to research the subject discussed more thoroughly before opinionating.
Tommy is a mosad asset. But despite his disgusting views on palestinians hes done very little to contribute to the genocide. Labour and conservatives both FULLY support it. Selling weapons for years. Tommy has serious personality disorders i would be terrified to do what he has done. Im hoping he may become more reconciliatory. Its all about the persecution status and narcissism. I dont hate him id be happy to debate his views.
This hardly an eye opening conversation ...sorry but it just all seems so obvious what they're doing to get political mileage out of this and don't care a jot for any victims..Jordan Peterson,Musk and their ilke would have been those who looked at those girls with disdain and not found them "credible",would have victim blamed them and facilitated their abuse by their sheer prejudice and misogyny. Why don't you speak to the woman who worked at the sexual health clinic who spent 10 years trying to get police/social services to take action !!! 10 years of telling them what was going on,about pregnancies and abortions the girls had,young girls coming with bruises etc and asking for the pill !!!! They knew,they all knew but close to believe these girls were making "lifestyle choices",young girls of 13,14,15 hanging out with 20,30..40 year old men. The misogyny at the heart of how the police acted or failed to act is as much as part of this as anything to do with their fears of accusations of racism.They chose to not believe young girls !!!! they chose to believe they were just "slags",bad girls choosing to drink and take drugs and hang out with older men!!! It stinks of misogyny !!
14:35 Mr. Philosopher Is this what you consider concent ? And explicitly making it clear that non-consensual sexx is not allowed 😏 Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
I think Tommy Robinson should NOT be de-platformed. The opposite should happen - he should be invited on platforms where he is shown all his quotes that display bigotry and hatred when he tries to counter argue that he is not a bigot. Push the proof of his bigoted views in his face! Start off every platform that he appears on with all the proof of his anti Islamic beliefs and proceed from there onwards.
Yeah, I think the adage _"Sunlight is the best disinfectant."_ holds true. It sometimes takes a while, but giving more exposure to people's bad ideas usually does lead to their downfall.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
This misses that the algorithm makes money by radicalizing people.. creating echo chambers and extremism to ensure ongoing interactions between the adds and collecting personnel information to sell.. X and Meta want to make money and don’t care about “free speech”..
My house is "Full of junk", does that mean my house is Full of junk or does it mean I have a house with various electronics spares in it along with perfectly functional things I use for day to day living.? Exactly, it's a term of expression, my house IS full of junk yet I'm on my recliner keyboard warrioring in my livingroom onto my 55" television using my PC.
The fact that your more concerned that TR has a platform, he has gone out of his way to shed light on government and police cover ups let alone the damage Islam is doing to Britain and the west as a whole! Let’s all hate on JP and TR for saying things you don’t want to hear!
RICHARD DAWKINS WAS INTERVIEWED BY PETERSON AND SAID HE WENT OFF THE EDGE AND CHANGED TACK OR SUBJECT QUICK, SO REALY WHEN DAWKINS SAYS THAT PETERSON IS T WORTH LISTENING TO, HES LIKE A LITTLE BOY AND HET MAD WHEN HES UNDONE
With all due respect to the guest -- whom I had never heard of before -- the allegation that Jordan Peterson 'became' problematic upon joining The Daily Wire, whereas before his supposedly 'neutral' self-worth and purpose message could be, as far as the public knew, misconstrued or misdirected, is fantastical bollocks. If anything -- and I am not trying to be a stubborn contrarian -- he has toned down his messaging for The Daily Wire. Either the guest is insufficiently familiar with Peterson's pre-DW repertoire (best case scenario), or he is disingenuous (worst case), or he is not very perceptive while pompously dismissive of the large number of people who had been pointing out what Peterson was up to since before the first Trump presidency. Recognize that you were wrong, it's OK, just don't turn your bruised ego into even more 'cautious framing'. It's been 10 years since Peterson emerged as an online and media phenomenon, there is no more need for intelectual nuance, one doesn't need to see through him, everything is on the surface, same as before, no need to know his inner thoughts or intentions.
Disagree, I took have noticed a shift in his focus and style since moving to Daily Wire. It may not be specifically linked to DW, but the range of topics and nature of his tweets have stretched beyond his initial areas of expertise.
@@martinb60 Has he said anything like women in Muslim countries crave male dominance? Or that women would be better protected against rape if they were legally recognized as men's property? Or that black people regrettably have lower intelligence vs. whites?
@@martinb60 I replied earlier but it didn't go through for some reason. I didn't say his rhetoric didn't change, I said he toned it down after he joined DW. Whereas now he's practically "vanilla new-right" within our current unfortunate paradigm, not much different from other mainstream (unfortunately normalized) new-right pundits, influencers, media groups, etc. before joining DW he would say things like -- I'm paraphrasing, but you can find it all online -- "Muslim women crave male dominance", "if women were legally men's property that would protect them better against **pe", "black people regrettaly have lower intelligence than white people, it's tragic, but true", and more. Has he said anything as insane and bluntly terrible as this since joining DW, independently of the proportional 'threat' of having a bigger media machine behind his words?
He literally introduces himself as "Jack Symes, I'm a public philosopher and teacher and researcher in philosophy at the University of Durham" within two seconds of the video starting. Trolls will troll I guess. Maybe use the rewind button, or actually watch the video?
Dr. Jack Symes is a delight, his anthology "Philosophers on God" is excellent. I need to study "Philosophers on Consciousness" next. Wonderful philosopher!
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.
But platforms are multinational while laws are nation specific. it’s also a very low bar. as an example incite to violence laws might be stricter in one country than another. what’s illegal in the US may be legal in Central Asia.. Tommie R has broken the law including assaulting a woman so by your logic should be de-platformed ..
@@garydownes2111 So what if left wing propaganda like this incites someone to attack Tommy Robinson, as it has before, should these two be arrested if he gets attacked in the future? Oh suddenly I bet you're not so keen when its not two tier justice.
A big conspiracy? The fact is that nobody dared to point the finger at the perpetrators for fear of being labelled far right! Re Islam - I'm sorry it's YOU who has no idea. I prefer to trust people who really know their stuff, including Ayaan Hirshi Ali! Or perhaps you'd like to call her a grifter? I suggest you take the time to listen to some recordings of Imam's speaking in Mosques.
Good for you pal …. TR is crazy says he’s not racist , he is !! JR needs to lay off the green and see the trees for a bit he’s lost it. . JP ugh. wtf to him and his madness. All his chat on how men should be yet got involved with barbs and huge habit …..
TR has never been convicted of any racism. There is no evidence he is racist and if you actually watch any long form interview with him (Andrew Gold is great) it is clear to anyone he is against ISLAM (which is not a race, it's a religion) which any thinking person in the 21st century should also oppose.
I'm sorry but it's not the educational systems job to teach people about religious beliefs, should Jediism and scientology which by the way is no less ridiculous than the Muslim or Christian be taught at school? No, people should respect others as human beings we just need to grow up as a species and leave it behind 😅
So you believe in inanimate objects coming together and forming intelligent beings over time. A serious of miracles after miracles after miracles that goes past anything factual in terms of science. 🙃
I get your sentiment however the difference between scientology and jedism vs Christianity and Islam is that the latter two have historical backing there are places and people in those books that where really there or who really lived. Jedism and Scientology doesn't have any historical backing. Just clarify I'm not arguing if the supernatural events in those books really happened that's up for the individual to discern I'm just arguing the point that you're comparing apples to oranges.
@@khonshu7643 what is historical backing? How many years until Jediism has historical backing? Is a few thousand when people forget it started out as as movies and people start to think maybe obi Wan is the new Jesus 😂
The man in question is a national treasure. Because he is not Oxford educated and calls a spade a spade he is labelled as F right so rather than listen to his views they call him that which now the country has awoken. My blood is boiling i can't put my anger into words
We used to have Parental Guidance to what our younger gen can watch, the problem nowadays is we have videos like this, a biased labeled 'Dr' giving advice when he hasn't put his dummy down for long but he's managed to sway education and now has a title, the dangerous thing about that he's even a lecturer for the sheep, but he doesn't even mention why we even have phobia and the facts that back them up and found this show to be very biased, to show the majority of say rape gangs like in Rotherham, are made up of 85% of one religion, but you both skirt round the facts and giggle like you're both in a 6th form debate.
No because he is an arsehole. Russel brand has not been convicted of anything . Yet he uses him to Gaslight . Freedom of speech only if it agrees with him. Telling everyone what they need to do .Boring.And I dont even like Brand or Robinson.
@@TheDrexelUK A far left brainwashing you mean, anyone thats been to uni or especially if they work at one has gone through the far left endoctrination process, there are hardly any right wing lecturers working in uni's now. He refused to learn anything from what the far more intelligent Peterson tried to educate him with.
It would be helpful if you put Jack's name in either the title or description.
Thanks.
Indeed, I've been outside of the accademic philosophy world for a while and hadn't come across him before. It would be good to make it easier to search his work rather than skipping through the interview to confirm his name again.
Absolutely. Incredibly disrespectful.
It would be helpful when you are pointing this out if you could give the full name 😕 What is Jack's full name?
@@John12050 Jack Symes.
He introduces himself at the beginning of the video, but you're right, his name should be menstioned, it's Dr. Jack Symes
I hate the whole "innocent women and children" line. They're all innocent. The men included. The idea that the women and children are innocent but the men aren't is basically a concession to genocide.
There's a reason they say women and children, it's not through hatred of men, it's because of the fragility that people understand when women and children are victims.
We've done well in history having the safety of women and children being prioritised.
It's a precedent.
The extent to which they shelter and give succour to terrorists, they're certainly not innocent.
Palestine especially Gaza has always been trying to appeal to the world who says all men are fighters. That's why they don't talk about civilian men murdered most of the time.
So true.
Gaza? In most contexts when fighting a less conventional military enemy, "fighting age males" is nothing to sneeze at. Roughly 14 and up. They don't all take up arms, and we should make that distinction. But some of them do
Gaslighting at it`s finest. Let`s talk about the victims for once.
The f are you talking about?
Tommy Robinson made it harder to get justice for the victims by breaking the law.
Funny how you don’t care at all about victims of SA from white males 🤷🏽♂️
What aboutism
I recall hearing about a marine biologist working at an aquarium who became depressed when he realized there was no porpoise.
Very nice
The fact that JP said on Piers Morgan that Tommy Robinson was his chief source of information from Britain suggests he should no longer be taken seriously.
It’s quite interesting that since coming out of his medical induced coma he’s been moving with a christian crusade like agenda.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
Bruv .l named me 2 xl bully Tommy n Robinson. I nose what's going down, bruv ..you tryna cancel him..President Starmer is not good bruv
Yeah, I thought that was really weird. The UK media in general has covered this extensively and even the BBC hasn't pulled its punches. He said that TR has been his main news source for the last 15 years. I think he might be fibbing to prop up his recent TR affiliation.
Yes you just stick to the BBC and the government for your source of information.
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH!
How did you do it? Do explain please 😯
My family have been into series of sufferings lately
All thanks to Anna Kathleen Sanford
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
I do know Anna K. Sanford, I also have even become successful....
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Anna Kathleen Sanford.
I personally find these 2 insufferable.
Why suffer then
@@johncarroll772 to keep an eye on how crazy the far left are.
@@johncarroll772 Same reason why we go to the zoo to see the animals.
They are some self important bores .
Oh look! There are other videos on this webpage, try one of those then and don't "suffer" at all.
Some surviving victims from Rotherham have said that they wouldn't be alive without public support. Free speech is a lifeline, not a luxury.
False Flag racist troglodytes are us.
Them being saved had absolutely nothing to do with Tommy Robinson. They were saved because social workers who knew the girls went to the authorities
The EDL did absolutely nothing to advance justice for the victims though. Don’t be fooled.
@mynewcolour The EDL ?
That was disbanded over a decade ago. Robinson exposed the rape Gangs solo. Then his persecution began
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
Part of the grift? Mr Robinson's cousin was raped and his uncle died after an assault by Luton residents of Pakistani descent. I don't like everything Tommy says but he grew up on the streets of Luton unlike this well spoken philosopher who has probably never been in a street fight.
You can't tell these people that because they simply don't believe that place's like bury park exist and you know they don't have the balls to go and take a look.
Ironically a few days ago this same podcaster was saying that it was a disgrace that the grooming gang victims weren’t believed because they were working class and rough round the edges, yet dismisses Tommy Robinson in the exact same way. “If only he had decent R.E lessons like we did..teehee”
This bloke above is a wet wipe!
@@Norfolkandchance886 grew up in luton, my dad my sister and i regularly went to bury park, the only time any one of us felt unsafe was when there was a football match or when the edl did marches.
If those are true, and I've no reason to think that you're lying, then those are crimes that should be prosecuted. It certainly isn't a justification for demonising groups and inciting fear, hatred or violence against them.
I have no idea how having been in a physical fight adds to Tommy's credibility or even that that's something we should be considering to be a prsiseworthy thing
Very odd decision to stick Tommy Robinsons names in the heading and description but the name of the philosopher you are talking to throughout this video is nowhere to be found. Bizarre.
Clickbait
I think it`s a very good decision. Philosophers are 10 a penny, Tommy Robinson is unique and very brave - for all his faults. He`s surrounded by enemies and critics, yet still he fights on for the little girls who were brutally raped by hundreds of muslim men, whom we`ve only recently been allowed to speak about - or even call them out for what they are. Come down off your high horses, Tommy is not educated to your level but - ........."even the dull and ignorant have their story to tell`. He`s lived amongst these communities and has watched it all happening and that`s what made him angry.
@@daisyhobbs7500 Your horse is higher, need a ladder?
@@daisyhobbs7500 He has convictions for violence and dishonesty, he's put at risk grooming gang trials, he gambled away six figures while receiving donations from supporters, and he's subject to a stalking prevention order. There are far better people than him working in this field.
Hes a self titled philosopher, hes not really 9ne, just a big gas bag really
I think these two are so naive. I say this as someone who’s well versed in Islam. Part of my family is Muslim. My wife herself was raised within a Muslim household.
As the saying goes evil exists when good men do nothing. For far too long due to political correctness and fear of offending a religious community institutions were complicit. You don’t have to like Tommy but at least he had the balls where others didn’t to sound the alarm.
What I’d like to see is less finger pointing about Tommy, Rogan and Peterson and more honest discussion about how to tackle elements of the ideology which are problematic so that the next generation don’t experience the ordeal of girls gone by.
That requires tough unpleasant and unpopular topics being discussed and hard grown up conversations. A lot of these issues are cultural but have credibility in schools of jurisprudence, tafsirs and authentic hadiths. These things need addressing. I growing up had to wrestle with them. My wife had to wrestle with them. At this moment in time Jack is too eager to please the establishment here. People downplay the religious element of these attacks at their peril.
Churches carrying about abuses for centuries in UK has tommy ten names said a peep. 🤡
Could say exactly the same of Christianity.
I agree we need to have the discussion
Im trying to reply to you but all my comments get deleted. And I'm a moderate.
@@3brenm It's not a conspiracy - sometimes comments just don't get through irrespective of the content.
What most, if not all people missing is the Israeli lobby's involvement with Robinson as well as Peterson recently since he joined the DW !!!!! Robinson is actively working for division on behalf of Israel in the uk, hence that x post too
We need to start talking about the Jews
Oh be quiet
Divide the Brits cause infighting. Take attention away from the elites, neo-cons and zinits.
And the piblic fall for it hook line and sinker.
Dr. Jack Symes, for anyone that's wondering who the guest is
What does he do , just curious, seems knowledgeable
@@sallyb3806 Professor of Philosophy of religion. He teaches courses and lectures on that topic amongst others that may lay adjacent. Edit: and conducts research.
A champagne socialist. 😳
@@muttley5958 which does nothing to devalue his opinions or knowledge - just shows off your bigotry
@@muttley5958 Really!
Rogan's views change depending on who he's talking to.
Bingo
We change with the facts human Joe is a good lad he has never said he was perfect 😊
@@gullygullible9774He’s a massive cnt and if you’re British you have no business listening to that shite
He's like indecisive Dave off the Fast Show.
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Who is this guy? Why his name is not in the title?
He said his name and profession in the first 5 seconds
Dr Jack Symes
Clicks
A poorly educated champagne socialist. 🎯😂😂
Exactly @@gizmo5601
No, the only way to face criminal charges for any kind of speech in the United States is if it involves an immediate threat of danger or violence. That standard is high when it comes to threats to an individual and it’s much higher when the threat is towards the government.
What Tommy Robinson said might get him a civil suit from an individual for defamation, but from what I could tell, there is absolutely no way he would receive a fine or face jail. The idea that someone would face jail time for something said online that isnt a reasonable and credible threat of immediate violence is bizarre and Orwellian to me.
You may be right that Mr Robinson would not be in prison in the USA for his behaviour, although there are 50 states along with the District of Columbia, and about 20 states have criminal defamation laws (punishable by prison albeit rarely in practice, and for which criminal contempt sanctions may be allowed). Damages are also a thing there. Either way, Mr Robinson's wrongdoing was in the jurisdiction of England and Wales.
On ten occasions (to which he admitted) he chose to breach a court order that he stop making a specific set of defamatory statements about a boy who had sued him for defamation and won. Aggravating factors in considering the period of his committal (time in prison) included the fact that contempt proceedings were begun after the first four occasions but he nevertheless went on to do it another six times; and that during these contempt proceedings he failed to attend a hearing he was ordered to attend (another contempt in itself). He did all that instead of adopting the law-abiding approaches of appealing against the defamation judgment or applying to vary the court order.
Incidentally, instead of paying damages he has declared bankruptcy; he told the court he was in lots of debt and that he had gambled away £100k while receiving donations from supporters. If someone won't be punished after a trial concludes there was defamation then there is no point in defamation law and you might say that's all to the good but, to me, it's not obviously true that an adult who can't support their claims to the civil standard should be free to make a sustained campaign of defamatory statements about a child, causing misery, harassment and other consequences.
If Mr Robinson had no previous convictions including one for illegally entering the USA, perhaps he would be able to live in a more defamation-friendly US state,
@arfurascii2232 how could that boy afford to go through the court's?
Legal aid is a complete joke
Ask Trump, he'll explain how he'll be doing that.
@@arfurascii2232 The bar is very high
I'm afraid I can't accept this female as a serious interviewer. This is clearly a hit piece against Tommy Robinson. The 'philosopher' is clearly trying to cause damage to Tommy Robinson's reputation. A very bad piece of journalism. Someone sent him a WhatsApp? The information missed her completely? Sorry, it just doesn't ring true. Pathetic.
At 09:40: Nit picky - but there are allowances for victim testimony to be recorded and not given in front of their abuser. Not as prevalent as perhaps it should be, but misleading to suggest we don't do that at all in the judicial system.
6:52 "There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy….So long as we persist in this inborn error, and indeed even become confirmed in it through optimistic dogmas, the world seems to us full of contradictions."
Arthur Schopenhauer
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
These two are so far from knowledgeable. Absolute waste of time watching this.
No this man is obnoxious he was rude and condescending to a young woman on Piers interview boasting about his credentials to suggest he was more knowledgable than her just because he didn’t agree with something she said. Had to stop watching after that as I’m about to do now
I thought he was fantastic & fact checked her. If you choose to believe that woman then it shows you just want to buy into the hate narrative and dont care for evidence that dr Jack was citing.
You mean they don't agree with what you hear on GBeebies.
Too subtle for your binary worldview? Go get an education
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This is just the beginning…circa 1930s Germany
Point to the 20% of these crimes committed by Brits of South Asian descent. Whilst, ignoring the state-sanctioned violence via The Church of England🤷🏾♂️
You people never think you deserve any reckoning for putting muslims ahead of your own people. Loyalty & love of country are like poison to you things. How tragic for England.
Pakistani you mean. Saying south Asian is like calling English hooliganism western hooliganism.
Did Labour order the church abuse covered up as well then?
If 3% of the population is commiting 20% of the crime, then that is a massive problem within that section of the population. That is something that needs addressing.
I don't think the church was running prostitution and gang rape, drug rings.
God. Five minutes in and already numerous lies. Stopped watching.
Its pretty shocking how uninformed these “educated” people are!
[citation needed]
which lies are those? if it was about tommy, jordon or elon, chances are you are fan of one or all and simp hard!
@@GaryParris Robinson would not have been charged for contempt of court in the US. Robinson did not plead guilty to making libelous claims against the Syrian boy. Also, I'm not a fan of either Robinson or Peterson but Robinson is being used for political purposes. He shouldn't be in prison for what he did.
Peterson isn't really cheerleading Robinson either. He just gave him a platform to speak. The trouble with this obsession in going after Robinson is that he's being built up as a martyr. Musk on the other is using Robinson to try to get Farage out and Lowe in. Lowe is a hardcore Austrian economist. Better to leave Farage as leader. Just stop going on about Robinson. The reason Americans are supporting Robinson is because they have a much better sense of justice and free speech and can see Robinson is being unfairly targeted with lawfare and endless lies in the media about what he has said and done even if he has said bad things.
Him joining the daily wire was the end of him for me. I don’t think it was always his aim, but his ego and his own poor mental health took him over.
Probably his daughter signed him up
I agree with many of the things that you're saying, especially regarding Tommy Robinson, Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk, however, I think when we're talking about the mainly Pakistani-British nonce gangs, it doesn't serve the victims to skirt around the subject by repeatedly mentioning various other types of paedophilia. Paedophilia, in general, isn't the subject at hand, the subject is this particular type of crime that seems to have a cultural and religious component; experts on the subject such as Trevor Phillips, Ann Cryer, Sara Rowbotham, Simon Danczuk, Sammy Woodhouse, Maggie Oliver, Nazir Afzal and Andrew Norfolk will all tell you the same thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is how we've ended up in this mess in the first place and we shouldn't be afraid of acknowledging hard truths when children's lives are at stake. No one's saying we shouldn't prosecute all the different types of paedophilia, or that it has to be one or the other. They're noticing a pattern that's occurring across the country, that appears to disproportionally involve a specific community, and want to get to the bottom of it.
I agree that we should implement the recommendations from the Jay report while simultaneously commissioning a national inquiry into grooming gangs. The more data we can collect, the better.
And if there was another national inquiry, and it ended up agreeing with the Home Office's own report in 2020, which, while not without faults, found that Asian gangs were not disproportionality involved in group base sexual abuse - do you think people would accept those results?
Very well articulated - and for me the only sensible opinion.
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically Pakistani-British Muslim gangs. But yes, provided the information is in-depth and presented transparently, I expect the majority of people would accept the findings if that happens to be the case.
Completely agree
@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically majority Pakistani-British nonce gangs. But yeah, if the inquiry is fully researched and it shows proportionally there's no issue, I believe most people would accept the results.
The problem nowadays is that everyone is throwing everyone under the bus simply to gain on social media ( make money ).... No action is taken on anything just a lot of hot air for 30 minutes before they go on their next podcast.......
I think it's a good point on teaching more RE in schools so you have a greater understanding of people's beliefs. It would go a long way towards changing people's warped perspectives on religion. Even if you're atheist or agnostic (like I am) it's a good idea to know "why" so you don't get people like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon "making shit up".
Correct. I went to a Catholic Convent school. We had to learn about the major religions of the world. We knew all the basic tenets of other religions and even visited a mosque and talks to an imam so we could ask him questions (we went to a Gurdwara ,Temple and synagogue too). None of us grew up with anymore animosity towards people of those religions than our own! 😂
Blind faith is not belief, it's foolish. This is what we should be teaching
@@daftgowk1 Most religious people have a lot more capacity for nuance than you give them credit for. I used to think like you, but I it's only a minority of religious people I've met who I would describe as having 'blind' faith. It's comforting to think you are smarter than everyone else, but try a bit of humility, listen to people etc.
@ValQuinn you don't need to preach to me. I have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. Its all culty nonsense used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching culty nonsense.
@@ValQuinnI have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. They are all cults used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching cults as a subject
Peterson got his start saying the most utterly objectionable things about trans and gender diverse people in Canada. He has *long* been off the edge. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge his rhetorical skills in various psychology lectures and so on, but the idea he is only now radicalised in a dangerous way is about 5 years too late, I'm sorry. He just played the role of prosperity padre for young men better than many others.
He was against laws being mandated that tried to force his people to use l specific anguage, which is an understandable position.
Jack is correct that JP went bat shit after joining right wing news organizations.
Nathan Robinson had his number years ago when he wrote about Peterson in Current Affairs. Peterson's scribblings in Maps of Meaning were the canary in the coalmine.
Not really. His views on transgender people align with the majority of people in the UK. Most people don't think kids can be given puberty blockers, that's just reality
Like it or not, the trans activists managed to trick the medical community into giving out treatment with scant evidence. Its a national scandal, not a surprise most normal people in the UK know it's wrong to mutilate kids
How middle class and boring
I’m seriously worried that the likes of Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Tommy Robinson and now Zuckerberg can so easily stir up the far right shit show. I’m now in the process of coming off X, Facebook and Instagram and switching to Blue Sky
Has it ever occurred to you that you might the one that's wrong?
Run Forrest run.
It's weird, I would support the people I oppose to be given platforms because I'm confident in my beliefs. I want their ideas in the open so they can be challenged and shown for how absurd they are.
Its a double edge sword because on one hand you're correct in wanting to be able to challenge those ideas with the belief that your ideas are more rooted in facts and understanding, but on the other hand its a lot easier to brainwash a society with misinformation than it is to educate them or "deprogram" society that is paralyzed by some dangerously stupid world view. Thats why i agree with Joe in that free speech should be a means to an end because although free speech is important to a morally just society it doesn't mean free speech can't be used as a trojan horse or vector in bringing about the destruction of a society.
@@one_of_the_Bobs This is wrong. Brainwashing happens when free speech doesn't exist. What we want is everyone to say what's on their minds and society decides whether they are wrong or right.
@@one_of_the_Bobs Who decides which views are "dangerously stupid"?
Aye....there's the rub.@@richardgullick1867
@@richardgullick1867 Most effectively it's public shame that arbitrates what is objectionable/dangerously stupid. For example if you say publicly today what 50 years ago would be commonly heard and accepted about certain races, genders, sexual preference etc then most people around you would tell you to stop being a dick. That sense of shame works quite well to safeguard norms and protected categories - if you think about verbalising a racist thought, you may decide not to because of the social effect / backlash. The overton window on these issues has only shifted because of the hard work and risks taken mostly by members of the persecuted groups (feminist movement, anti-racist campaigners etc). The problem with social media is that it is anonymised and depersonalised, and the profit incentive and structure means that it achieves the opposite effect. The most objectionable views are magnified because they drive engagement and clicks, and the most objectionable people gain larger audiences for the same reason. So it's not as simple as giving platforms to people from a wide range of views and letting the marketplace of ideas decide on which ones are correct, because that will never be possible with the incentive structures and profit model of large social media platforms.
It’s so irritating when the guy giggles when he says something that he thinks should be obvious to others.
I think more of this is what we need, clear talk with all sides being seen, with truth and facts, imagine if the main stream news was like this.
Haha you mean you want even more far left propaganda because youre not brainwashed enough or you enjoy being kept ignorant?
Dr Jack thank you for your knowledge. I was getting depressed from ignorant grifters like sam harris who claim they are experts on Islam and in reality they read 2 pages on wikipedia and talk nonsense 24-7
I went on Joe Rogan last year and told him to de-platform Tommy Robinson... That went well, Rogan is notoriously far left these days isn't he? Christ almighty.
Brits are renowned for sarcasm 😅😅
I saw this guy earlier. He just used insults, no evidence or stats. Looked very weak and silly.
I think your emotions are clouding your view on Tommy Robinson. For example, you misinterpret his tweet at 1:17, where you misinterpet his tweet as insulting innocent palestinians because you didn't realise that islamist is not the same as muslim.
Come off it. There's no nuanced take to what he tweeted, it's vile however you try to polish it.
It would be helpful to have a definition of 'far right', this term is used so freely, I want t check the people using it mean the same thing.
Same with far left.
currently the view is if you want to keep children safe, then of course, you're far right.
@@rollthetape88 who is saying that?
Far right is mildly Conservative most of the time. The left have gotten away with so much engineering that they've managed to gaslight people into thinking they are extreme for resisting mass migration and LGBT theory. Push back
@@rollthetape88 I want to keep children safe & I'm a very proud leftist. I'm proud to be against grooming gangs but not against Muslims.
"The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) in England and Wales was an inquiry examining how the country's institutions handled their duty of care to protect children from sexual abuse. It was announced by the British Home Secretary, Theresa May, on 7 July 2014. It published its 19th and final report on 20 October 2022."
Texts, ideas, and arguments can be analyzed and deconstructed for clarity or critique, but individuals, with all their complexities, cannot be reduced to mere fragments. This distinction is key in fostering constructive discussions while respecting human dignity.
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How middle class and tame, trouble is you never lived in the trenches
Or the sewers.
“You never lived in the trenches” cringeee
What fkn trenches were Robinson or Jordan Peterson in? Fkn none of them did any service but you glaze them like they did 🤡
@@marcbaigrie2295 its metaphorical dumb dumb
Neither did you. Get over yourself.
Smug, also forces a hard smile to attempt to get you on his side, poor tactic, can see right through it
I would agree with Ava here that JP has always been an agitator in his time in the spotlight. He may very well be knowledgeable in his field (Which maybe is Jacks point) but what he uses that knowledge and his position for has quite often been dangerous and misguides people. I refuse to believe a man with his intelligence does not know that he often mischaracterises things he is talking about, an academic who acts in bad faith is always sad.
No I think that he embraces politics not out of strategising but out of earnest care and interest. Just because he's political doesn't mean he's corrupt
This guy talking likes to extrapolate from theory and assumption.
Could we see him talking to victims of these rape gangs, with demeaning tone that he seems to like using, or going to the areas being reported as being troublesome 👍🏼
Peterson is cheerleading Tommy Robinson is because now they receive paycheques from the same source.
There is a convenient confusion (for the far right) between what should be allowed to be said, and what is right or wrong to say. Stating that someone has said something wrong does not detract from their freedom to say it.
Words can have many different uses and individually are hard to demarcate as in themselves wrong or right, or warranting being outlawed. Context is key.
Context plays a role not only in the meaning, but strength of influence. This reaches into network theory and what can be consitituted as hubs on a network, like a convetional newspaper, but equally a influencer with 100k followers. A reasonable level of fact checking should be expected on those who partake in influential roles in our social network that should be in the realm of the law.
Outside of this there are plenty of things that shouldn't be, but should be allowed, to be said. As a listener we should be equally compelled to call this out. This promotes the practice of reason among the populus as well as the sense of freedom of speech.
and what is the context of your post? is tommy robinson right to bring a spotlight on this issue?
Stop using your platform to talk about tommy and start using them to talk about the rape gangs, and islamic rape coultur if you want him to go away.
Tommy Jordan Elon = Zio connection
you mean Zion?
So thankful to find Jack on PJ. I think very much like him, but right now, I don't have anyone in person to talk to about these thoughts.
Its Tommys whole business model. He is literally on the Israeli goverments payroll to do such things.
Talking rubbish, has no clue of real life. Let him live in Bradford or Leeds for a week, he wouldn’t last 24 hours before he called for his daddy
Nice country you have for yourself...
fake profile
why is there a picture stalin ow i mean starmer in the back ground
they have been pushing pro starmer hard on here. They 're on the wrong side of history for sure.
You've got that wrong mate. Biological anthropologist Helen Fisher said once that humans are optimized for survival, not happiness. I agree. We're here to have children and we should try and make that journey as happy as we can.
Yea what’s jacks full name?
jack symes
Who's making the decision to upload 3 videos in 3 hours?
This guy is so woke, he has been programmed by his education. More misinformation about Tommy.
Tommy ten names is the peak of factual information, just like his name suggests 😉
What did he say that was "woke"? If anyone has been programmed it's people like you who can't spot a racist grifter when you see one.
@@fooddrinkfusion1013Ten names?? Wow you're clever. If you had the guts to speak out against Islam you would have to change yours as well. Many people have had to if you look it up. I wonder why that is.
@@fooddrinkfusion1013 What are these 10 names, ive only heard 2.
He's been educated you mean. Unlike you obviously.
Claiming religious illiteracy is the issue of this topic is mad. Jack just brazenly went over a fact on pedophilia within the Quran as if it’s not an issue or related to this whole topic. This is wild
please point me towards this statement tommy robinson made were can i find it?
Probably made up by the Guardian as usual, the media have been caught lying many many times, like claiming he pleaded guilty one time when he was never even told what the charge was so couldnt have pleaded guilty, even the court of appeal had to admit that.
Jordan is a psychiatrist not a psychologist. I turned it off after he said this.
He is obviously completely the wrong type of person to be teaching philosophy.
This guy comes across as very arrogant. Seems put out because people are not listening to his clearly superior opinion. I'm not a fan of Robinson by the way , but Im even less of a fan of preachy Narcissists.
Quick question.
Have you ever taken a good long hard look at yourself in the imaginary mirror?
Are you sure you watched the same video?
Wow an upset JP fan? did the man hurt you with his words? his free speech words?
LOL, I'm sure Joe Rogan really took notice
It's ridiculous when any of the Abrahamic religions try to point fingers at the other. The truth is these religions were made by men who didn't consider women equal to them. These are people who would stone a woman for remarrying, but not the man she remarried. I don't know if Muslims have a form of this hypocrisy or not, but I've grown up in a country that considers itself Chrisitian and not a single believer rejects the idea that Lot married his daughters after his god turned his wife into a pillar of salt. There are scores of stories in which the god of the bible commits genocide, including killing prenatal babies.
Not surprised a bit that a far-right ideologue would find respite on Joe Rogan🤷🏾♂️
Just follow the money. The Jews are obviously paying him. We need to pretend it’s not the case and actually start addressing it.
paying who? TR?
I would like to see the actual evidence of this tweet!
A philosopher may be fascinated to watch this clip, and ponder whether the questions asked give their game away...
An academic would do well to research the subject discussed more thoroughly before opinionating.
JACK SYMES.
Tommy is a mosad asset. But despite his disgusting views on palestinians hes done very little to contribute to the genocide. Labour and conservatives both FULLY support it. Selling weapons for years. Tommy has serious personality disorders i would be terrified to do what he has done. Im hoping he may become more reconciliatory. Its all about the persecution status and narcissism. I dont hate him id be happy to debate his views.
This hardly an eye opening conversation ...sorry but it just all seems so obvious what they're doing to get political mileage out of this and don't care a jot for any victims..Jordan Peterson,Musk and their ilke would have been those who looked at those girls with disdain and not found them "credible",would have victim blamed them and facilitated their abuse by their sheer prejudice and misogyny.
Why don't you speak to the woman who worked at the sexual health clinic who spent 10 years trying to get police/social services to take action !!! 10 years of telling them what was going on,about pregnancies and abortions the girls had,young girls coming with bruises etc and asking for the pill !!!! They knew,they all knew but close to believe these girls were making "lifestyle choices",young girls of 13,14,15 hanging out with 20,30..40 year old men.
The misogyny at the heart of how the police acted or failed to act is as much as part of this as anything to do with their fears of accusations of racism.They chose to not believe young girls !!!! they chose to believe they were just "slags",bad girls choosing to drink and take drugs and hang out with older men!!! It stinks of misogyny !!
What about the rape victims is that not the important thing
Not to these people, they have to cover for Labour and their fantasy of "diversity is our strength".
@@sonofsomerset1695 Not to Tommy who makes millions from this.
Good on farage for standing up to the Americans and putting them right on Tommy
Really, he only did it because he knows it would be political suicide if he hitched up with the football thug.
I think youre ego is getting in the of the trurths and to be fair a majority of uk citizens see it to.
14:35 Mr. Philosopher Is this what you consider concent ? And explicitly making it clear that non-consensual sexx is not allowed 😏
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
You were both fantastic on Piers Morgan. Will be subscribing to both your channels.
I think Tommy Robinson should NOT be de-platformed. The opposite should happen - he should be invited on platforms where he is shown all his quotes that display bigotry and hatred when he tries to counter argue that he is not a bigot. Push the proof of his bigoted views in his face! Start off every platform that he appears on with all the proof of his anti Islamic beliefs and proceed from there onwards.
Yeah, I think the adage _"Sunlight is the best disinfectant."_ holds true. It sometimes takes a while, but giving more exposure to people's bad ideas usually does lead to their downfall.
They used to do this but he came out of most interactions outsmarting the interviewer.
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
This misses that the algorithm makes money by radicalizing people.. creating echo chambers and extremism to ensure ongoing interactions between the adds and collecting personnel information to sell.. X and Meta want to make money and don’t care about “free speech”..
Haha anti Islamic. Have you just seen what thousands of Muslims men did to British girls? How pathetic. Not all are bad though right?
"Offending and Trending" is a bar.
Drivel
And it is wildly apparent that you do not understand what Islam teaches vs what you believe what Muslims believe.
And you do? Spoken to every Muslim have you?
Religious education is only mandatory up to the age of 16 in the UK.
My house is "Full of junk", does that mean my house is Full of junk or does it mean I have a house with various electronics spares in it along with perfectly functional things I use for day to day living.?
Exactly, it's a term of expression, my house IS full of junk yet I'm on my recliner keyboard warrioring in my livingroom onto my 55" television using my PC.
The fact that your more concerned that TR has a platform, he has gone out of his way to shed light on government and police cover ups let alone the damage Islam is doing to Britain and the west as a whole! Let’s all hate on JP and TR for saying things you don’t want to hear!
RICHARD DAWKINS WAS INTERVIEWED BY PETERSON AND SAID HE WENT OFF THE EDGE AND CHANGED TACK OR SUBJECT QUICK, SO REALY WHEN DAWKINS SAYS THAT PETERSON IS T WORTH LISTENING TO, HES LIKE A LITTLE BOY AND HET MAD WHEN HES UNDONE
With all due respect to the guest -- whom I had never heard of before -- the allegation that Jordan Peterson 'became' problematic upon joining The Daily Wire, whereas before his supposedly 'neutral' self-worth and purpose message could be, as far as the public knew, misconstrued or misdirected, is fantastical bollocks. If anything -- and I am not trying to be a stubborn contrarian -- he has toned down his messaging for The Daily Wire. Either the guest is insufficiently familiar with Peterson's pre-DW repertoire (best case scenario), or he is disingenuous (worst case), or he is not very perceptive while pompously dismissive of the large number of people who had been pointing out what Peterson was up to since before the first Trump presidency. Recognize that you were wrong, it's OK, just don't turn your bruised ego into even more 'cautious framing'. It's been 10 years since Peterson emerged as an online and media phenomenon, there is no more need for intelectual nuance, one doesn't need to see through him, everything is on the surface, same as before, no need to know his inner thoughts or intentions.
Disagree, I took have noticed a shift in his focus and style since moving to Daily Wire. It may not be specifically linked to DW, but the range of topics and nature of his tweets have stretched beyond his initial areas of expertise.
@@martinb60 Has he said anything like women in Muslim countries crave male dominance? Or that women would be better protected against rape if they were legally recognized as men's property? Or that black people regrettably have lower intelligence vs. whites?
@@martinb60 I replied earlier but it didn't go through for some reason. I didn't say his rhetoric didn't change, I said he toned it down after he joined DW. Whereas now he's practically "vanilla new-right" within our current unfortunate paradigm, not much different from other mainstream (unfortunately normalized) new-right pundits, influencers, media groups, etc. before joining DW he would say things like -- I'm paraphrasing, but you can find it all online -- "Muslim women crave male dominance", "if women were legally men's property that would protect them better against **pe", "black people regrettaly have lower intelligence than white people, it's tragic, but true", and more. Has he said anything as insane and bluntly terrible as this since joining DW, independently of the proportional 'threat' of having a bigger media machine behind his words?
He literally introduces himself as "Jack Symes, I'm a public philosopher and teacher and researcher in philosophy at the University of Durham" within two seconds of the video starting. Trolls will troll I guess. Maybe use the rewind button, or actually watch the video?
The blokes clearly an arsehole!
Dr. Jack Symes is a delight, his anthology "Philosophers on God" is excellent. I need to study "Philosophers on Consciousness" next. Wonderful philosopher!
I disagree No one should be de-platformed unless they're breaking the law
Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA...
Why isn't this being mentioned ?
He is an Enemy of the State.
But platforms are multinational while laws are nation specific. it’s also a very low bar. as an example incite to violence laws might be stricter in one country than another. what’s illegal in the US may be legal in Central Asia..
Tommie R has broken the law including assaulting a woman so by your logic should be de-platformed ..
@@garydownes2111 So what if left wing propaganda like this incites someone to attack Tommy Robinson, as it has before, should these two be arrested if he gets attacked in the future? Oh suddenly I bet you're not so keen when its not two tier justice.
Love your channel, brilliant opinion, keep your courage up & keep doing what you do 💖💖💖
They’re unfortunately too weak
A big conspiracy? The fact is that nobody dared to point the finger at the perpetrators for fear of being labelled far right!
Re Islam - I'm sorry it's YOU who has no idea. I prefer to trust people who really know their stuff, including Ayaan Hirshi Ali! Or perhaps you'd like to call her a grifter?
I suggest you take the time to listen to some recordings of Imam's speaking in Mosques.
Wow, politics Joe is really going down the drain.
Good for you pal …. TR is crazy says he’s not racist , he is !! JR needs to lay off the green and see the trees for a bit he’s lost it. .
JP ugh. wtf to him and his madness. All his chat on how men should be yet got involved with barbs and huge habit …..
TR has never been convicted of any racism.
There is no evidence he is racist and if you actually watch any long form interview with him (Andrew Gold is great) it is clear to anyone he is against ISLAM (which is not a race, it's a religion) which any thinking person in the 21st century should also oppose.
@@mattl2k6 you can't be convicted of an opinion lol. He's clearly racist
Rogan just agrees with whoever he's interviewing at the time.
I'm sorry but it's not the educational systems job to teach people about religious beliefs, should Jediism and scientology which by the way is no less ridiculous than the Muslim or Christian be taught at school? No, people should respect others as human beings we just need to grow up as a species and leave it behind 😅
So you believe in inanimate objects coming together and forming intelligent beings over time. A serious of miracles after miracles after miracles that goes past anything factual in terms of science. 🙃
I get your sentiment however the difference between scientology and jedism vs Christianity and Islam is that the latter two have historical backing there are places and people in those books that where really there or who really lived. Jedism and Scientology doesn't have any historical backing. Just clarify I'm not arguing if the supernatural events in those books really happened that's up for the individual to discern I'm just arguing the point that you're comparing apples to oranges.
@@fooddrinkfusion1013 no I belive it's better to admit you don't know, but that doesn't stop you trying to find out, beats teaching lies
@@khonshu7643 what is historical backing? How many years until Jediism has historical backing? Is a few thousand when people forget it started out as as movies and people start to think maybe obi Wan is the new Jesus 😂
The man in question is a national treasure. Because he is not Oxford educated and calls a spade a spade he is labelled as F right so rather than listen to his views they call him that which now the country has awoken. My blood is boiling i can't put my anger into words
One hardly needs a philosopher to deconstruct robbo...rogan and petersen marginally more valid subjects.
We used to have Parental Guidance to what our younger gen can watch, the problem nowadays is we have videos like this, a biased labeled 'Dr' giving advice when he hasn't put his dummy down for long but he's managed to sway education and now has a title, the dangerous thing about that he's even a lecturer for the sheep, but he doesn't even mention why we even have phobia and the facts that back them up and found this show to be very biased, to show the majority of say rape gangs like in Rotherham, are made up of 85% of one religion, but you both skirt round the facts and giggle like you're both in a 6th form debate.
Tommy robinson named twice in title and description of video. The guy in video i don't even know his name.
Thats because Tommy Robinson is someone important, this guy isnt.
Mmmmmmmm. This was rushed. The machine spin is going mad.
This guy seems really full of himself.
Who should he be full of?
What because he has an education?
No because he is an arsehole. Russel brand has not been convicted of anything . Yet he uses him to Gaslight . Freedom of speech only if it agrees with him. Telling everyone what they need to do .Boring.And I dont even like Brand or Robinson.
@@TheDrexelUK A far left brainwashing you mean, anyone thats been to uni or especially if they work at one has gone through the far left endoctrination process, there are hardly any right wing lecturers working in uni's now.
He refused to learn anything from what the far more intelligent Peterson tried to educate him with.
@TheDrexelUK no because clearly hes a Jeremy
This guy speaks language of youth. Privileged youth it seems. Of course he does not understand veteran warrior.
Robinson was literally right about Gaza. There are also innocent people there.
If Trump can shut down Tik tok in the US, let's shut down X in the UK
@danpatterson7108 If you dont like having the right to air your views on X, then don't use it.
@@shelleyphilcox4743nobody uses X i just know 1 real person that uses it all the rest is celebrities and bots.
Yeah go to Bluesky or whatever its called and stay in your far left ignorant echo chamber.
Yup censor what you don't agree with. What could possibly go wrong
@@Norfolkandchance886 just like how anti-trump rhetoric is censored on X?
After listening to this Ive started to like Brand and Robinson.
Trump likes the poorly educated 😊
And you'd be correct.
Nick Robinson?
@@markderby29 Rock on Tommy.