Seems like Musk has done a public service on this one. The whole issue had been parked as far as the politicians were concerned. Hard to believe a police officer could ever imagine a 12 year old girl could consent to relations with 5 men. Even harder to imagine there's no record of any action being taken against the officer!
Maybe I'm naive or too kind to him but I didn't think Starmer was laying a 'trap' if you will when he was saying he was happy to stand and correct the record if Kemi had ever spoke on the topic in parliament. I thought he was genuinely furious the whole way through PMQ's that the topic was being discussed in that way, and that the Tories were planning to vote against the bill later in the day. He's usually so monotone but when he gets to an issue of justice like this, I think you see a bit of fire come out
I regularly disagree with some of Ava's "hotter" takes and she's not making the point particularly well, but she is right that the voucher idea is dumb and it would stifle candidates from outside the main parties. Independents already face an uphill battle. Campaign finance reform is badly needed, but that's not the answer.
eh, how? I don't think people would be likely to give their vouchers to the main parties - nobody fucking likes the main parties, people only vote for them because of FPTP. The vouchers wouldn't allocate funding by FPTP, so it would benefit smaller parties.
I know the vibe isn't always that serious here but I feel like you're kneecapping your output with "Say what you want about Nigel Farage but he always tells the truth" Ed did challenge it but it feels like someone putting in a lukewarm challenge against the earth being flat.
_“He always tells the truth.”_ is certainly an overstatement. But he does have a reputation amongst his supporters for speaking plainly and being consistent. And maybe that’s earned.
@@DynamiteBobby This isn’t so much journalism as political commentary though. A group of people thinking out loud. She said that and then tempered it immediately when challenged.
Yeah but it's not hard to read between the lines is it, she didn't misspeak, she believed it. No other party gets a free ride on this channel yet Reform do, is that because they're the only party the channel gets interviews from?
Yeah I agree. Look at the riots. He speculated heavily on the context skewing the reality, causing mass panic. As Ed said, the whole leave campaign was full of shit and hypotheticals. Have we forgetting that bloody bus with the promise of millions for the NHS with Farage standing infornt of it.
When did we start calling Farage Nigel. Sounds a bit like the Borissing of Johnson. If you must find a chummy catchy way of shortening his name, how about NF.
@@sparking2016 I’ve recently taken to referring to him as Nigel Sewage. A bit infantile maybe, but he conducts himself like a precocious petulant brat, so even Stevens I suppose. This cozying up to the Sewage’s sentiment is troubling for me. There’s something a bit too Laura kuensberg about it. Let’s not forget that at the heart of his sentiment is a raging hot stinking pile of divisive rhetoric disguised as genuine concern. The riots of last summer were proudly owned by Sewage and sponge blob Tommy, but being proud reserved Englishmen they are too proud to admit it.
Makes you realise how pointless party funding is if leafleting is their main expense. None of the leaflets i got remotely changed my views, while social media and googling the candidates turned me from the labour candidate
Y'know what I was laughing at Ava with Oli and Ed at the bit about changing the funding system but once i actually listened to her argument she'd convinced me
Nah, I'm sorry, Ava's right about the donation system. It's not an adequate solution to our current political finance system, and would shore up the current monopoly the major parties have over the airwaves. Neither of the boys adequately countered her points and, because she was pissed off, and the pair of them kept quiet, decided she didn't have a point. Ava's right. You're both wrong.
How on earth is the current situation any different? In the scenario a new party could be grassroots funded on par with established parties through social media messaging alone.
She’s got a point about it being a chicken-and-egg problem. But then so is the current system. Perhaps the vouchers idea would be fairer overall if private donations had a reasonable cap. After all, it would be impossible to ban all private political funding. You simply couldn’t enforce that. Because there will always be ways that people can be involved in activism, whilst also earning money from it.
How do current start-up political groups happen? Either you do crowd funding (which is basically the same as the proposed system, except you have to find people who have disposable income) or get funded by multi-millionaires/billionaires who now have an outsized influence over your political project.
@@andybrice2711 I agree - I think capping donation is actually a much more pragmatic approach. Private donation is an accepted norm, and pivoting to a voucher system which wouldn't do anything to rebalance the scales, and would simply remove the undue-donor-influence problem isn't better than a solution which both curbs that influence *and* allows smaller parties to still participate fairly.
The Tories and Reform see anither opportunity to divide our society. They don't care about the victims and they don't care about the issue. The whole saga is sickening. Badenoch was disgusting today at PMQs.
Funny it isn’t the torture and rape of children that sickens you, but someone bringing it up Regardless of their political affiliation What does that say about your motivations and psychology
Weird that the torture and rape of children didn't divide our society, but noticing and being against said rape and torture of children actually does. It's also interesting that the only way to apparently help the victims of said rape and torture is to completely ignore the issue. Very interesting indeed.
@fl-ri- So, to be clear, you want to help the people who are being victimised by rape and torture right now by having them wait for 5 years before any action is taken? Well done. There are 20 recommendations from the last report into child abuse in the UK. Should we ignore them like the Tories and Reform did or take action? Do you want this to be a reasoned attempt to help people or political grandstanding that ignores the actual people who are suffering? Get over yourself, you filthy hippocrite.
48:49 ALTON TOWERS IS IN ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE! It’s the former estate for the Earl of Shrewsbury. My mum worked as a silver service waitress in the gardens (before the theme park expanded) and she accidentally spilt hot tea over Robert Plant in the 70s. also don’t dis Stoke on Trent. Josiah Wedgwood is a legend for mankind, pottery history and human rights! We’d be living in a world of plantation slavery if it wasn’t for him, Erasmus Darwin and the Lunar Society Like come on! Know your geography!
Ava was close. It was a teenage girl that died in Oakwood. The harness on the log flume didn’t lock properly/came undone and she got thrown from the ride.
Ollie instigates a long winded convo about rollercoasters and theme parks Ava and Ed continue conversation. 47:38 Ollie gets annoyed with his own conversation and cuts everyone off. Goes to a PMQs clip on sexual abuse and sexual assault in harrods Then we return to Ava, Ed and Ollie don’t use logic and forget that Alton Towers is in Alton, Staffordshire and not Stoke on Trent
I'm with Ava on this tbh political vouchers makes no sense at all; everyone gets the money to fund the political parties, but they still also have can recieve the funding to begin with to canvas themselves? so its just what we already have AND the monopoly money? what is the point of that? Edit: I live near Oakwood, the only thing that changed about that log flume is the name, its pretty good
I'm with Ava on this one. While our current system isn't the best, that voucher idea is absolutely ridiculous. How would potential candidates coordinate across constituencies to form new political parties without any bootstrap funding? Absolute farce.
Ava is spot on with the voucher debate. Ollie and Ed have no idea what they're talking about. The big parties are already miles ahead of independents and small parties so no one would give them their vouchers
I like Ava but her political dork instincts do make her just love the political swamp and it comes through very strongly in this episode. I would not be surprised if she genuinely did become a Tory eventually
@@nugstendo Not at all she’s the biggest toff at the table and loves the elitist old boy nature of politics and getting close with the MPs at bars etc. Evident in her reactionary hatred of the voucher system idea without thinking about it at all. Not to say I necessarily even support it but her response was purely emotional. That and her loving parliament being like school…
On the campaign finance debate Ava is 100% right. That voucher idea is utter dogshit and would absolutely lead to a rise of populism and radical right politics so easily.
I don’t think Farage lied during the Brexit referendum campaign. To me a lie has to be something you know to be untrue when you say it. Farage believed what he was saying right. He genuinely believed the German car industry needed us more than we needed them. He was just wrong.
If there's one thing the Tories are world class at it's at pointing blame in the direction they want to. Whether justified or not. Often when they've done something abhorrent they make the blame stick to others (eg George Osbourne and local government cuts). Watch them turn the blame for general noncery entirely on Starmer. They are Olympic gold medalists at this
@@rainbowevil It's better because parties can actually get funding. The proposed way has no way of working. You need donations of some sort, or a way for the state to pay for it. I agree we should move from private donations to something _like_ each having a fiver. But it isn't as simple as that.
@@samuelmelton8353 people can be active in the community, well known and liked for their positive impacts, without having any funding. And they can leverage that into standing as an independent, getting those people to put the funding towards their campaigns. Get a few of those independents with likeminded ideals together from regions and that can form into a party. That’s got to be way more feasible for somebody with no large donors than the current system. And people are much more likely to give their money to small parties they strongly believe in than the 2 main parties.
Considering that It is racist to be antisemitic even though Judaism is also a religion similarly Islam is an ethnicity and a religion and through islamophobia you can be racist against Muslims and it should be criminalized.
Boris Johnson called Peter Mandelson a “Tank-top wearing bumboy” While it’s not the language I would use and does not represent my view of Mandelson, I suspect it will be how JD Vance sees him.
I think that’s a bit of a misnomer saying that conservatives innately care about peds If you meant cared about putting their children into those spaces and arenas where they’re likely to be abused. Church’s, faith schools, the desire to restrict sex ed, private boarding schools. All spaces and circumstances where peds are given access and ability to abuse.
What's with 'Nigel'? I voted Green, I like these guys, but they're still Denyer and Ramsay to me. 'Nigel' is icky. Everyone calls him 'Farage'. I suspect his own mum calls him 'Farage'. Dugmore, Santina, Campbell - sort it out.
But the green party really need a name change to neo-colonial communist party. Their ideas on open boarders requiring dramatic urbanisation of tge UK while also wanting rewilding, suggestionss they think poorer nations abroad should have the responsibility of feeding us, which rather a neo-colonial ideology.
@@morrisizing I absolutely agree with them on the idea of open borders. As a goal for some time in some distant future when it is feasible, not as a policy for implementation in the foreseeable future, as they've repeatedly made clear. Don't you? One reason I love the Green Party the longer I'm in it is I've not yet heard one criticism based in reality. Criticisms always rely on misrepresentation. Which suggests to me they have a damn good platform.
Can't spell Kermit without Kemi - what a muppet. Also it's pointless to criticise any debate for being "point scoring" - literally all politics is point scoring we have a massive vote every 5 years.
I'm with Ava on the £5. What about dark money, online campaign and also it doesn't fix musk who owns a social media platform. Also the BBC and other TV / radio shows give platforms by national votes (obviously reform get more air time) but the rest is true
The lad at Loudoun Castle theme park got snagged on the roller coaster cart as he was trying to free it - it got stuck and needed a shove to get it moving.
it all points to a willing ignorance of crimes against the less advantaged. it’s ugly because of the lack of minerals to deal with the real contributing factors. There absolutely is a cultural difference, to talk it down is to repeat the same ignorance.
Loved the discussion on political party funding, confused that state funding of parties (which is by far the most common alternative) didnt get an examination
Funny it is not the torture and rape of children that sickens you, but someone bringing it up Regardless of their political affiliation What does that say about your motivations and psychology
The politicisation point scoring on this is absolutely dispicable,the victims are completely being forgotton and the actions needs like investment in services,youth work,social services and better policing that listens to victims,doesn't discredit or dismiss or see a not credible.they were failed by all these services,all services which have been underfunded and cut under the Tories. It still does not excuse the complete lack of empathy or understanding the victims were met with as the misogyny of the police and may other ways the victims were dismissed by CPS also meant that this went on for years.
I think Eva is really smart, so I'm sometimes confused by her analysis that I find completely lacking in insight and thorough analysis. I find it confusing because it's a dichotomy between what I think is plainly obvious and some of the positions she has been taking lately. And then I think about Ana Kasparian, and I wonder.
While I normally agree with Ava's analysis, I'm really shocked by how terrible her take on political funding and democracy vouchers is. If there's one thing the last 5 years of politics should have thought us, its that grassroots canvassing and social media strategy can galvanize a political movement even without the use of old hat strategies like leafleting. Whats more, by giving everyone a democracy voucher, it would incentivise greater political engagement and awareness amongst the general public, something we desperately need.
33:58 there is a solution to this you say that a party can raise x amount privatly and anything over that amount must come from the token system this still doesnt solve the problem that if you dont have a spare hundred grand to milion pounds you cant form a party but it would be less bad
bad topic for the tories. They did nothing for 14 years, and are on record as never saying anything. whereas starmer and labour MP's like phillips have been all over this, increasing prosecutions, helping victims, making a difference. Anyone calling for another inquiry is just scoring political points (and failing), we need action not words, which is thankfully what labour and starmer is delivering. starmer was very impressive, and strong, gave a good performance, backed up with a great record. The fact these presenters still attack him is just getting childish at this point. I think its becoming increasingly clear they lack real experience and are too in the media bubble, more interested in political point scoring than issue, and have no real appreciation of how things actually work outside of their bubble. They go on like this much longer, ava in particular, and they will go down the road kay burley and others have gone. You also normally attack starmer for being bad at PMQs, now you attack him for being good at it..... and ava's worst take is on vouchers, its a system where every person has equal impact, the current system gives the rich more, but for a reform/tory like her I suppose it comes naturally to want inequality.
So, canvassing. It's about expensive paper and ink? Surely that can be capped and funded by a pool for registered candidates? Even expences and a catchment, with mileage allowance? Yeah fairground rides are deffo death machines now.
Friends, could you note next time the comments section on this commons clip you posted? I'm sort of speechless. What happened to attract this sort of response? ua-cam.com/video/1SYp5f7D4k8/v-deo.htmlsi=qnRjZ8KkFGKQETKO
Ava is the only one speaking truth about donations tbh. Libs policy also excludes trade union money - it wouldn’t facilitate change but continued hegemony of the parties
Consider that the epitome of a good person in Islam is the prophet Muhammad, he is a man all muslims aspire to be like. Consider also that the same Prophet Muhammed executed a man and his children in front of the mans wife, the children's mother. That he then forced her to marry him, raped her and forced her to bear his own children. Consider also that the same prophet Muhammad married a 6 year old, and took her virginity on her 9th birthday. Can you not see why there would be a link here?
The only reason labour would reject an enqury is political. The previous inquiries done have not been sufficient, no one can claim they have been. Starmer is trying to save labour the embarrasment of uncovering the behaviour of their councils
A 7 year £ 200 m inquiry insufficient? The Tories are even more incompetent than I believed if they can't spend all the time and money and it was a total waste.
@@danmayberry1185 was anyone held accountable from the government, police etc? Surely people should be in jail for negligence. Did that happen? Also, did they do an inquiry of the whole country or just a specific town? Clearly the inquiry didn’t go far enough.
@@danmayberry1185my word if you really want to know about this topic, watch some documentaries, do some research. The councils and community leaders covered up huge failings . Its horrendous, victims were blamed, ignored , charged on occasion. Its absolutely horrific.
This discussion about roller coasters triggered a long buried memory of the time I unofficially assisted my friend, who was a social worker. With about a billion teenagers with down syndrome, going to a theme park. On this log flume, a chain snapped. They had to put the handbrake or something. And we had to get off this ride. At an angle. Going down these wet steps.. Petrified of slipping, or just as bad, a poor fella with downs slipping, and crashing into me. Like a mid-nineties episode of Casualty. Luckily. We didn't. And in the end, we got given a massive stack of free meal coupons. And I ended up having an interesting conversation with a guy about pinball machines.
I'm not nearly as against the political vouchers idea as Ava is 😅 but one thing to note is that a lot of people don't vote. Would they get round to donating their political voucher? I think the principle of the idea is good, but some kinks regarding enfranchisement (or lack thereof) would need to be considered.
45:26 chestington is amazing. I remember hearing that story. It’s my local theme park. The Vampire ride is amazing. Very sad the Bubble Works in no longer there.
chestington is amazing. I remember hearing that story. It’s my local theme park. The Vampire ride is amazing. Very sad the Bubble Works in no longer there.
45:26 chestington is amazing. I remember hearing that story. It’s my local theme park. The Vampire ride is amazing. Very sad the Bubble Works in no longer there.
Children get abused - Kemi sleeps.
Musk tweets about it - Real shit.
Jenrick goes Enoch Powell
We've literally been speaking about it for years,
Whilst your types screech "racist", to sweep it under the carrier
@@scottishdmck2875 Nobody "sweeps it under the carrier", we had an inquiry, the Conservatives didn't implement it
@@scottishdmck2875 The Conservatives? Yes.
Seems like Musk has done a public service on this one. The whole issue had been parked as far as the politicians were concerned.
Hard to believe a police officer could ever imagine a 12 year old girl could consent to relations with 5 men. Even harder to imagine there's no record of any action being taken against the officer!
the nonce hating podcast really coming into its own on this topic
Maybe I'm naive or too kind to him but I didn't think Starmer was laying a 'trap' if you will when he was saying he was happy to stand and correct the record if Kemi had ever spoke on the topic in parliament. I thought he was genuinely furious the whole way through PMQ's that the topic was being discussed in that way, and that the Tories were planning to vote against the bill later in the day. He's usually so monotone but when he gets to an issue of justice like this, I think you see a bit of fire come out
I regularly disagree with some of Ava's "hotter" takes and she's not making the point particularly well, but she is right that the voucher idea is dumb and it would stifle candidates from outside the main parties. Independents already face an uphill battle.
Campaign finance reform is badly needed, but that's not the answer.
eh, how? I don't think people would be likely to give their vouchers to the main parties - nobody fucking likes the main parties, people only vote for them because of FPTP. The vouchers wouldn't allocate funding by FPTP, so it would benefit smaller parties.
Existing smaller parties would probably benefit from it but Ava is right that new parties couldn’t emerge under that system.
I know the vibe isn't always that serious here but I feel like you're kneecapping your output with "Say what you want about Nigel Farage but he always tells the truth"
Ed did challenge it but it feels like someone putting in a lukewarm challenge against the earth being flat.
_“He always tells the truth.”_ is certainly an overstatement. But he does have a reputation amongst his supporters for speaking plainly and being consistent. And maybe that’s earned.
@@andybrice2711 right, but as a journalist you shouldn't just be parroting such an easily refutable point.
@@DynamiteBobby This isn’t so much journalism as political commentary though. A group of people thinking out loud. She said that and then tempered it immediately when challenged.
Yeah but it's not hard to read between the lines is it, she didn't misspeak, she believed it. No other party gets a free ride on this channel yet Reform do, is that because they're the only party the channel gets interviews from?
Yeah I agree. Look at the riots. He speculated heavily on the context skewing the reality, causing mass panic.
As Ed said, the whole leave campaign was full of shit and hypotheticals. Have we forgetting that bloody bus with the promise of millions for the NHS with Farage standing infornt of it.
When did we start calling Farage Nigel. Sounds a bit like the Borissing of Johnson. If you must find a chummy catchy way of shortening his name, how about NF.
@@sparking2016 I’ve recently taken to referring to him as Nigel Sewage. A bit infantile maybe, but he conducts himself like a precocious petulant brat, so even Stevens I suppose.
This cozying up to the Sewage’s sentiment is troubling for me. There’s something a bit too Laura kuensberg about it. Let’s not forget that at the heart of his sentiment is a raging hot stinking pile of divisive rhetoric disguised as genuine concern. The riots of last summer were proudly owned by Sewage and sponge blob Tommy, but being proud reserved Englishmen they are too proud to admit it.
Ava is 100% correct, then saying you aren't eliminating private donations defeats the point.
Wdym?
Makes you realise how pointless party funding is if leafleting is their main expense. None of the leaflets i got remotely changed my views, while social media and googling the candidates turned me from the labour candidate
Starmer wasn’t grandstanding, at some point Politics Joe will grow up.
Y'know what I was laughing at Ava with Oli and Ed at the bit about changing the funding system but once i actually listened to her argument she'd convinced me
Never has a discussion on Campaign Finances been so funny 🤣
Nah, I'm sorry, Ava's right about the donation system. It's not an adequate solution to our current political finance system, and would shore up the current monopoly the major parties have over the airwaves. Neither of the boys adequately countered her points and, because she was pissed off, and the pair of them kept quiet, decided she didn't have a point. Ava's right. You're both wrong.
How on earth is the current situation any different? In the scenario a new party could be grassroots funded on par with established parties through social media messaging alone.
She’s got a point about it being a chicken-and-egg problem. But then so is the current system.
Perhaps the vouchers idea would be fairer overall if private donations had a reasonable cap.
After all, it would be impossible to ban all private political funding. You simply couldn’t enforce that. Because there will always be ways that people can be involved in activism, whilst also earning money from it.
How do current start-up political groups happen? Either you do crowd funding (which is basically the same as the proposed system, except you have to find people who have disposable income) or get funded by multi-millionaires/billionaires who now have an outsized influence over your political project.
@@JackHGUK If the proposed solution is no different than the problem it's solving, then it's a shite solution, no?
@@andybrice2711 I agree - I think capping donation is actually a much more pragmatic approach. Private donation is an accepted norm, and pivoting to a voucher system which wouldn't do anything to rebalance the scales, and would simply remove the undue-donor-influence problem isn't better than a solution which both curbs that influence *and* allows smaller parties to still participate fairly.
The Tories and Reform see anither opportunity to divide our society. They don't care about the victims and they don't care about the issue.
The whole saga is sickening. Badenoch was disgusting today at PMQs.
the country has been divided for along time. thats why these gangs continue
Wow must be so amazing to have the ability to read people minds to know their motivations 😂
Funny it isn’t the torture and rape of children that sickens you, but someone bringing it up
Regardless of their political affiliation
What does that say about your motivations and psychology
Weird that the torture and rape of children didn't divide our society, but noticing and being against said rape and torture of children actually does. It's also interesting that the only way to apparently help the victims of said rape and torture is to completely ignore the issue. Very interesting indeed.
@fl-ri- So, to be clear, you want to help the people who are being victimised by rape and torture right now by having them wait for 5 years before any action is taken? Well done. There are 20 recommendations from the last report into child abuse in the UK. Should we ignore them like the Tories and Reform did or take action?
Do you want this to be a reasoned attempt to help people or political grandstanding that ignores the actual people who are suffering?
Get over yourself, you filthy hippocrite.
48:49 ALTON TOWERS IS IN ALTON, STAFFORDSHIRE! It’s the former estate for the Earl of Shrewsbury. My mum worked as a silver service waitress in the gardens (before the theme park expanded) and she accidentally spilt hot tea over Robert Plant in the 70s.
also don’t dis Stoke on Trent. Josiah Wedgwood is a legend for mankind, pottery history and human rights! We’d be living in a world of plantation slavery if it wasn’t for him, Erasmus Darwin and the Lunar Society
Like come on! Know your geography!
Ava was close. It was a teenage girl that died in Oakwood. The harness on the log flume didn’t lock properly/came undone and she got thrown from the ride.
If everyone has to choose who to give £5 to, that’s just an early round of voting but voting pre-manifesto
This is some irredeemably bad politics. The lot of them are tooling victims to deflect from their own failure… 3:55
Ava's dead on with the party funding stuff. There needs to be an overhaul, but thatt would be ruinous
"How would someone with your profile get the word out there?" - Brutal
Ava is right
Ava is 100% right. That was an insanely stupid idea.
Sounds like you have just planned a Politics Joe vlog day, random Tuesday in a theme park !!
Im so on Ava's side
Can we get a count on Ed's mic adjustments?
Ollie instigates a long winded convo about rollercoasters and theme parks
Ava and Ed continue conversation.
47:38 Ollie gets annoyed with his own conversation and cuts everyone off.
Goes to a PMQs clip on sexual abuse and sexual assault in harrods
Then we return to Ava, Ed and Ollie don’t use logic and forget that Alton Towers is in Alton, Staffordshire and not Stoke on Trent
I'm with Ava on this tbh political vouchers makes no sense at all; everyone gets the money to fund the political parties, but they still also have can recieve the funding to begin with to canvas themselves? so its just what we already have AND the monopoly money? what is the point of that?
Edit:
I live near Oakwood, the only thing that changed about that log flume is the name, its pretty good
I'm with Ava on this one. While our current system isn't the best, that voucher idea is absolutely ridiculous. How would potential candidates coordinate across constituencies to form new political parties without any bootstrap funding? Absolute farce.
Ava is spot on with the voucher debate. Ollie and Ed have no idea what they're talking about. The big parties are already miles ahead of independents and small parties so no one would give them their vouchers
Joe is a good British name, keep up the good work!
I was today years old when I realised that Davina McCall and Claudia Winkleman are two different people.
Long live podcasts Joe, and Long live freedom, damn it🇦🇷🦁
I like Ava but her political dork instincts do make her just love the political swamp and it comes through very strongly in this episode. I would not be surprised if she genuinely did become a Tory eventually
I think she's a Cameronite
Or maybe a Rory Stewart
she understands the opinion of the general public more than the other two
@@nugstendoI don’t think there’s evidence of that, she agrees with the public more, true, but the public are often wrong, most of the time actually
@@nugstendo Not at all she’s the biggest toff at the table and loves the elitist old boy nature of politics and getting close with the MPs at bars etc. Evident in her reactionary hatred of the voucher system idea without thinking about it at all. Not to say I necessarily even support it but her response was purely emotional. That and her loving parliament being like school…
On the campaign finance debate Ava is 100% right. That voucher idea is utter dogshit and would absolutely lead to a rise of populism and radical right politics so easily.
That's like saying we should keep first past the post just so farage doesn't get in
I don’t think Farage lied during the Brexit referendum campaign. To me a lie has to be something you know to be untrue when you say it. Farage believed what he was saying right. He genuinely believed the German car industry needed us more than we needed them. He was just wrong.
If there's one thing the Tories are world class at it's at pointing blame in the direction they want to. Whether justified or not. Often when they've done something abhorrent they make the blame stick to others (eg George Osbourne and local government cuts). Watch them turn the blame for general noncery entirely on Starmer. They are Olympic gold medalists at this
Ava is right on campaign finance reform.
But how is the current system better than the proposed one?
Yup
@@rainbowevil It's better because parties can actually get funding.
The proposed way has no way of working. You need donations of some sort, or a way for the state to pay for it.
I agree we should move from private donations to something _like_ each having a fiver. But it isn't as simple as that.
@@rainbowevilbecause shall parties and independents can get some kind of finance in the current system
@@samuelmelton8353 people can be active in the community, well known and liked for their positive impacts, without having any funding. And they can leverage that into standing as an independent, getting those people to put the funding towards their campaigns. Get a few of those independents with likeminded ideals together from regions and that can form into a party. That’s got to be way more feasible for somebody with no large donors than the current system. And people are much more likely to give their money to small parties they strongly believe in than the 2 main parties.
Ed shares my position so much on this.
To remind the panel, Muslim is not a race. Some anti-muslim rhetoric crosses the line into sectarianism, but it’s not racism.
Considering that It is racist to be antisemitic even though Judaism is also a religion similarly Islam is an ethnicity and a religion and through islamophobia you can be racist against Muslims and it should be criminalized.
Boris Johnson called Peter Mandelson a “Tank-top wearing bumboy” While it’s not the language I would use and does not represent my view of Mandelson, I suspect it will be how JD Vance sees him.
I think that’s a bit of a misnomer saying that conservatives innately care about peds
If you meant cared about putting their children into those spaces and arenas where they’re likely to be abused.
Church’s, faith schools, the desire to restrict sex ed, private boarding schools. All spaces and circumstances where peds are given access and ability to abuse.
18:05 there literally was a cover up though 😂
Less than 20 seconds and he's already playing with his microphone - he just can't leave it alone.
How would the state know the independents?
……You do have to register to run in elections.
Its not a government debate its a cover up.
What's with 'Nigel'? I voted Green, I like these guys, but they're still Denyer and Ramsay to me. 'Nigel' is icky. Everyone calls him 'Farage'. I suspect his own mum calls him 'Farage'. Dugmore, Santina, Campbell - sort it out.
But the green party really need a name change to neo-colonial communist party. Their ideas on open boarders requiring dramatic urbanisation of tge UK while also wanting rewilding, suggestionss they think poorer nations abroad should have the responsibility of feeding us, which rather a neo-colonial ideology.
@@morrisizing Quite the McCarthyan strawman you've built there.
@@morrisizing "suggestionss they think poorer nations abroad should have the responsibility of feeding us"
Source?
@@morrisizing I absolutely agree with them on the idea of open borders. As a goal for some time in some distant future when it is feasible, not as a policy for implementation in the foreseeable future, as they've repeatedly made clear. Don't you? One reason I love the Green Party the longer I'm in it is I've not yet heard one criticism based in reality. Criticisms always rely on misrepresentation. Which suggests to me they have a damn good platform.
@@petemarchetto4998What kind of adult uses the word "icky"?
Can't spell Kermit without Kemi - what a muppet. Also it's pointless to criticise any debate for being "point scoring" - literally all politics is point scoring we have a massive vote every 5 years.
I'm with Ava on the £5. What about dark money, online campaign and also it doesn't fix musk who owns a social media platform. Also the BBC and other TV / radio shows give platforms by national votes (obviously reform get more air time) but the rest is true
The lad at Loudoun Castle theme park got snagged on the roller coaster cart as he was trying to free it - it got stuck and needed a shove to get it moving.
As always Ed is the best
it all points to a willing ignorance of crimes against the less advantaged. it’s ugly because of the lack of minerals to deal with the real contributing factors. There absolutely is a cultural difference, to talk it down is to repeat the same ignorance.
Loved the discussion on political party funding, confused that state funding of parties (which is by far the most common alternative) didnt get an examination
14:48 Ed's arms look like teeny tiny Ken doll arms because of the camera angle and I love it.
Ed is officially the only normal person on this podcast
Olly is being a bit naive thinking that Starmer could appeal to the morality of the Tories by being sincere in his cries for unity on the issue.
Nigel Farage would not do the things he claims if he did stumble into power
the democracy vouchers idea has been implemented in australia, no?
Maybe Eva should get better informed how parties are being financed in other countries before getting hysterical...Germany for example
Not all women who disagree with you are hysterical
Funny it is not the torture and rape of children that sickens you, but someone bringing it up
Regardless of their political affiliation
What does that say about your motivations and psychology
The politicisation point scoring on this is absolutely dispicable,the victims are completely being forgotton and the actions needs like investment in services,youth work,social services and better policing that listens to victims,doesn't discredit or dismiss or see a not credible.they were failed by all these services,all services which have been underfunded and cut under the Tories.
It still does not excuse the complete lack of empathy or understanding the victims were met with as the misogyny of the police and may other ways the victims were dismissed by CPS also meant that this went on for years.
I think Eva is really smart, so I'm sometimes confused by her analysis that I find completely lacking in insight and thorough analysis. I find it confusing because it's a dichotomy between what I think is plainly obvious and some of the positions she has been taking lately. And then I think about Ana Kasparian, and I wonder.
Ah yes Nigel Farage the most truthful & veracious man in England
While I normally agree with Ava's analysis, I'm really shocked by how terrible her take on political funding and democracy vouchers is.
If there's one thing the last 5 years of politics should have thought us, its that grassroots canvassing and social media strategy can galvanize a political movement even without the use of old hat strategies like leafleting.
Whats more, by giving everyone a democracy voucher, it would incentivise greater political engagement and awareness amongst the general public, something we desperately need.
33:58 there is a solution to this you say that a party can raise x amount privatly and anything over that amount must come from the token system this still doesnt solve the problem that if you dont have a spare hundred grand to milion pounds you cant form a party but it would be less bad
bad topic for the tories. They did nothing for 14 years, and are on record as never saying anything. whereas starmer and labour MP's like phillips have been all over this, increasing prosecutions, helping victims, making a difference. Anyone calling for another inquiry is just scoring political points (and failing), we need action not words, which is thankfully what labour and starmer is delivering. starmer was very impressive, and strong, gave a good performance, backed up with a great record. The fact these presenters still attack him is just getting childish at this point. I think its becoming increasingly clear they lack real experience and are too in the media bubble, more interested in political point scoring than issue, and have no real appreciation of how things actually work outside of their bubble. They go on like this much longer, ava in particular, and they will go down the road kay burley and others have gone. You also normally attack starmer for being bad at PMQs, now you attack him for being good at it..... and ava's worst take is on vouchers, its a system where every person has equal impact, the current system gives the rich more, but for a reform/tory like her I suppose it comes naturally to want inequality.
So, canvassing. It's about expensive paper and ink? Surely that can be capped and funded by a pool for registered candidates? Even expences and a catchment, with mileage allowance?
Yeah fairground rides are deffo death machines now.
Ava doesn't know that the current system gives people no cash either
Still day 89 of asking for a production team microphone.
Friends, could you note next time the comments section on this commons clip you posted? I'm sort of speechless. What happened to attract this sort of response?
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The comments on that video are wild and very suspicious - Politics Joe is clearly not a right-wing channel so where have these commenters come from?
Does Ava not know how long it takes to get legislation done in the commons.
Political Joe would make great MP’s for the Greens, totally useless.
Ava completely overlooked the fact that you can't have an independent candidate *with* billionaire funding
Its ironic how much Reform and Tories are pushing about a grooming enquiry when they have both become victims to political grooming from Elon Musk !!
Yeah, that’s not really the same as child sex abuse at all now, is it?
@@tdh1990 And calling for another enquiry after ignoring the recommendations of the last one which was only 2 years is not protection children !!
Farage also says a lot of half truths, which is, or can be, a clever way of telling a lie.
Ava is the only one speaking truth about donations tbh. Libs policy also excludes trade union money - it wouldn’t facilitate change but continued hegemony of the parties
Nigella or Fanny?
Who is Joe?
I agree with Ava, that voucher system sucks
52:37 icon x
What has Muslim and Islam got to do with grooming? How biased is the colonial mind.
No idea, how do Islam and Muslims view women?
@@alanmckay7040are they a monolith? How do young men view women? Dont they all like andrew tate?
Read the transcripts of the court cases
Consider that the epitome of a good person in Islam is the prophet Muhammad, he is a man all muslims aspire to be like. Consider also that the same Prophet Muhammed executed a man and his children in front of the mans wife, the children's mother. That he then forced her to marry him, raped her and forced her to bear his own children. Consider also that the same prophet Muhammad married a 6 year old, and took her virginity on her 9th birthday.
Can you not see why there would be a link here?
The groomers (child rapists) were Muslims. Are you regarded?
Oblivion opened '98, Air opened '02
Ava: Not sure oblivion was there when I went ...
Also Ava: Air was amazing!
Insane yah
The only reason labour would reject an enqury is political. The previous inquiries done have not been sufficient, no one can claim they have been. Starmer is trying to save labour the embarrasment of uncovering the behaviour of their councils
A 7 year £ 200 m inquiry insufficient? The Tories are even more incompetent than I believed if they can't spend all the time and money and it was a total waste.
By not sufficient do you mean their terms of reference, methodology, compilation or key findings?
@@danmayberry1185 was anyone held accountable from the government, police etc? Surely people should be in jail for negligence. Did that happen? Also, did they do an inquiry of the whole country or just a specific town? Clearly the inquiry didn’t go far enough.
Bang on!!!!
@@danmayberry1185my word if you really want to know about this topic, watch some documentaries, do some research. The councils and community leaders covered up huge failings . Its horrendous, victims were blamed, ignored , charged on occasion. Its absolutely horrific.
avas right shite idea
About what?
Ava's most impassioned takes are always her worst. This is like jail for people who serve peanuts all over again.
This discussion about roller coasters triggered a long buried memory of the time I unofficially assisted my friend, who was a social worker. With about a billion teenagers with down syndrome, going to a theme park.
On this log flume, a chain snapped. They had to put the handbrake or something. And we had to get off this ride. At an angle. Going down these wet steps.. Petrified of slipping, or just as bad, a poor fella with downs slipping, and crashing into me.
Like a mid-nineties episode of Casualty.
Luckily. We didn't. And in the end, we got given a massive stack of free meal coupons. And I ended up having an interesting conversation with a guy about pinball machines.
😂 Ava, I agree. It sucks.
Reborn's got my vote, but I want a £5 voucher.
She really isn’t very intelligent, how can she not get the point of donation.
I'm not nearly as against the political vouchers idea as Ava is 😅 but one thing to note is that a lot of people don't vote. Would they get round to donating their political voucher?
I think the principle of the idea is good, but some kinks regarding enfranchisement (or lack thereof) would need to be considered.
I agree with Ava. Oli and Ed are stupid people with stupid ideas.
45:26 chestington is amazing. I remember hearing that story. It’s my local theme park. The Vampire ride is amazing. Very sad the Bubble Works in no longer there.
chestington is amazing. I remember hearing that story. It’s my local theme park. The Vampire ride is amazing. Very sad the Bubble Works in no longer there.
45:26 chestington is amazing. I remember hearing that story. It’s my local theme park. The Vampire ride is amazing. Very sad the Bubble Works in no longer there.
Is this BOT broken? Posted three times the same text....