Actually, many Romans in their own time believed that not having a worthy opponent to challenge them (like Carthage) was what made the empire weak; many wished that Carthage had never been destroyed.
By most measures, definitely, but you know how it is--people complaining about societal decline are always trying to come up with reasons for why the past was better. If there's a hole in their argument, they ignore it.
I particularly enjoyed the part where Stefan was literally ranting like an asshole about how stupid women are for being attracted to assholes. I feel awful for this fool's poor daughter.
@@erinhaury5773 "It's almost always the same thing either, the woman chose to mate with a bad man OR, for driving a good man away, which is even worse." Translation: "Even when a man chooses to abandon his children, that is ultimately the woman's fault." I can't stand to hear this man talk.
@@GhengisJohn her "fault" insofar she chose to mate with the bad man instead of choosing a good man, not her fault for the kids ending up abandoned. There are many things to nitpick about the video but that part was fairly straightforward
@@Flackon My brother, I don't even see that as straightforward because real life is a lot more complicated than that. But I salute your Ramirez avatar.
@@GhengisJohn Yeah it is quite more complicated but I think the guy here was alluding to how women have the sexual selective power which is true in aggregate (although It likely wasn't true in the times of the patriarchy and certainly not in the Roman Empire)
@@timothymclean Don't worry, I'm sure he has a credible scientific source that assholery is genetically heritable. We just have to be patient that he will provide it, 5 years after the fact.
It's incredible how this all boils down to you agreeing with him and disagreeing with him at the same time without being aware it. You know, sort of like the same like a neo-nazi claiming to hate wars brought about by international jewry but at the same time glorifying wars as both noble and heroic. Molyneux is useless. But most of you chimps commenting here are just raging chimps trying to *out-chimp* him and as such you're in no position to point fingers at him. You know what the irony is? You're unwittingly empowering the likes of him because you're too ignorant to see that your high-school p*ssing contest level retorts are NOT going to stop vile scum like him.
My mom married a well-educated, hardworking, intelligent, kind man, who it turns out didn't have very much clue how to raise a child. It doesn't take an asshole to make a bad parent.
also: being an asshole isn't inheritable let alone genetic. there is no "asshole gene" that they're willingly passing on or anything. the reason people are abusive for example does not (contrary to popular belief) seem to correlate with having abusive parents. (idk about the source for that but i saw it in a book called "why does he do that?" in case you want to look for it. ik it's not enough but hey). though that connection does grow far stronger in the cases of particularly violent offenders. whereas stefan seems to think that if every woman married a "nice guy" that abuse would disappear.
Right. Parenting is a skill not everyone has. But it should be part of our education. Lack of education isn't excuse why we didnt educate in this or other field we should.
My mom's marriage to my dad was an arranged marriage by their fathers in the fundamentalist community I grew up in. It must have been her fault for agreeing to marry a husband who was chosen for her by other men.
''the answer is obvious but political correctness prevents us from talking about it'' is the most ominous answer anyone could give when asked about how to deal with the urban poor
It leads to every possible answer, really. Like, the answer could be "just start eating them. Literally devour the poor", but it could also be "just behead all landlords and make a public example out of them". 💀
Young men... we need a Western society. I said, young men... you can put your mind at ease. I said, young men... we're gonna make a traditional ethno state And I say women... won't... give... me... a date... ba, da, ba, da... it's fun to stay at the ole' KKK! the ole' KKK...
Artie Rupinen How about this? Young man... we need a western regime i said young man... our world just needs to be cleaned i said young man... put blame on minorities We can end this marxist grand plan It’s fun to bully the L-E-F-T It’s fun to bully the L-E-F-T
Wait a second. Holy shit. That logical conclusion was such a fucking shambles that only after reading your comment did I realize how overwhelmingly shit it was
@@JFRAMEUSA Some women think they can fix an asshole, some women don’t think the man in question is an asshole, some women choose a man that wasn’t an asshole before but became an asshole over time, and so on ad nauseum. Your question is so weird because it could be met with *countless* responses. To reduce a woman’s choice of an asshole partner to reproductive strategism is silly.
The nazi phase sucks but if u go further back like waaaaay further back Germany has done really cool things (one of the most important countries in Europe)
ThatBad Player I don't necessarily think he's good but politicians doing stupid things isn't new whereas I don't expect daycare workers to be ... well...stephan molyneux
@ruslas zubres nothing wrong with a man in daycare, but if said man goes on to say "all bad men came from WOMEN'S VAGINAS, and we need to hold them accountable!". Idk if I would want my child around said man.
It blows my mind that stefan simultaneously puts so much responsibility on women while also claiming that they shouldn't be allowed to have any responsibilities
but if women aren't simultaneously too stupid to be allowed and also responsible for all the most society impacting choices made today then some of the things wrong in my life might be MY fault, and that's unacceptable u.u
You have to love how he makes it a woman's fault for having children with "assholes" bu there is no blame for the "assholes" themselves. Absolutely fascinating.
It is accurate to say that we have some shit people in the world who are that way because their parents were assholes or chose partners poorly. But ALL genders are capable of both being or ending up with assholes. And plenty of people who were raised by assholes grow up to be good people, and vice versa. He talks as though women are deliberately choosing the worst possible partners, and totally discounts the fact that you can be with a person for a long time before their true colours come out. He also never provides any examples of what a non asshole partner would be like which tells me he doesn't know, or does know but knows he isn't that example so he doesn't bring it up. It is highly upsetting not just what this guy says but that there are such bitter, deluded, hate filled people in the world. He looks too old to reform his views but also he is intelligent enough to really be dangerous
10:30 on, Shaun you miss a really golden opportunity here. Most of the urban poor in Rome actually HAD jobs- they worked in cottage industries, manufacturies for the Army (making shields, armour, weapons- typically on an industrial scsle), in the ports, as sailors, as chefs for the rich, cleaning and maintaining infrastructure, as watchmen keeping the streets safe, in early factories (such as in the perfume industry of the Late Empire- which started to approach industrial scale and, a long with early machinery, might have led to an Industrial Revolution if the Western Empire had lasted a few centuries longer) etc. In short, they were NOT unemployed- but simply didn't make enough money in their jobs to make ends meet- partly due to the rich extracting heavy rents from them and the workshops they worked for, partly due to the relative lack of technological sophistication of Roman industry compared to today (although it was far more advanced than most of the world for centuries to come). In short, these were mostly WORKING POOR, not unemployed- although much like today, Roman writers choose to focus most on the unemployed...
Are you saying that some people are working but don't pay taxes because their surplus value is being extracted by property owners? That's preposterous!
@@raphaelmt1706 that's sarcasm, right? (Seems like it, but on the internet can never be sure...) Basically, yes. The landowners in Rome owed all their rental income from tenements for the poor to the value those workers produced in their various jobs. A worker's value (the value of what they produce) doesn't become less just because, through inequalities of social and economic power, they are paid less. Rome had a massive class or impoverished urban menial laborers who kept the workshops and proto-factories of the city running.
So Stefan's sources are: (1) A work of pop history written by an early-twentieth-century British general, which Stefan shamelessly plagiarised; (2) An audiobook by a libertarian crank, which Stefan shamelessly plagiarised; (3) A (probably) legitimate academic article, which Stefan selectively quoted and misunderstood; and (4) Ancient Roman writers grumbling about "kids these days" as old people have done throughout human history.
My older family members when feeling nostalgic: "Back in the day, we would pull pranks on our terrible teachers, run away from homes for a while, we were free, we did what we wanted" My older family members when they're cranky: "Back in the day, we respected our elders! I would never in a million years say something like this to a teacher! I LISTENED to my PARENTS because I RESPECTED ThEM!!"
The "decay" of Greece actually happened during the golden age of Athens. The big thing many call on is the decline of patriarchy but that didn't mean a lack of morality. Instead of patriarchal families that had little loyalty except to the family clan there was a sense of the common good. Many philosphers at the time preached about the common good because it was fresh and new at the time. Something that was good for all Atheans and transcended family. The best example of this is when silver mines were discovered in Athean territory. Instead of the ruling tribe using it to enhance their power it was owned collectively and Athens used this wealth as well as their social cohesion to dominate over all other city states for almost a century and do massive public funding for theaters, books, temples and all the other stuff we admire today. These things were brought about by the decline of patriarchal family authority and it's replacement by the common good. This is why the common good became such an admired thing about Athens even after it was sacked by Sparta. This idea was then spread by Alexander and after that played a crucial role in the development of Christianity with it's idea of morality and communal values. Clearly the common good did not make Athens invincible and it made several bad decisions including sending a doomed expedition to Sicily and sending a charismatic but incompetent admiral to command their main fleet during a crucial sea battle. Yet it also allowed for a wealthy city like Athens to exist and prosper. In previous times tribal family structure would have made this impossible as a single tribe would use wealth to enrich themselves and exclude everyone else. Because of this I find it very hard to define what "moral decay" really means. A lot of the people thought Athens abandoning family structures and worshipping a city god over family gods and making religion public events rather than private was a great moral decay. But today these things are considered normal. Yet also we are today starting to see a move back to tribal social structure due to the atomization of society brought on by cars, consumerism and the internet.
madison knight\ Decayed knight. Your lack of comprehension of ancient Roman culture isn’t surprising, but yeah actually sexual relationships between older and younger men were commonplace in Rome, and also Athens. That was just the norm. Dude. Seriously. You can’t take what Stefan says as valuable info. He’s an actual, legit white supremacist. Don’t make yourself dumber by falling for his idiocy
Arexis Renoldi Rome was also able to interstate a multitude of cultures and religions to its nation and culture encompasses in some the greatest architectural feats in the world. Some society’s still allow sexual relations with younger people.
@@thrawnprotocol9780 True. But sometimes I'm wondering if race and religion are kind of all mixed together in this issue, meaning what people are actually opposing is not some religion, it's more that that religion is foreign to them. Like there are many people who can go on an endless rant how Christianity is somehow superior to Islam, totally disregarding the horrible Christian ideologies or what's written in the bible. More importantly: People who want to exclude Muslims totally ignore that Muslims are themselves actually hurt by this religion and by other Muslims. So they might say "Islam is bad because.... FGM" but what they won't say is "Let's make sure girls are being saved from FGM, for example by taking in Muslim immigrants who want to leave that society". So it seems they are against the people who want to flee because of their race, because even when Muslims oppose harmful ideas in Islam and are themselves harmed by them (more than any non muslim), there are still people who want to deny those Muslims refuge or immigration. That's why I inferred that at least sometimes racism is just hiding behind being against Islam, especially if the criticizing party is religious themselves. It's like people are using the "look, how bad Islam is, it's harming people and it's evil!" - argument and are just using the Muslim victims of religious fundamentalism to justify their bigotry, without wanting to help them. And why? Maybe because they're just racist. They can't be genuinely concerned about the harm an ideology does and at the same time deny the victims of that ideology any help. I'm an atheist by the way. I hope my answer made sense. I'm not an expert and race seems more like an arbitrary construct to me. Believe it or not, I'm German and in Germany, we don't really use the word "race" anymore (at least normal people don't...). We talk more about culture or country of origin when we're discussing such topics.
By “most” I guess he meant everyone except him. Like most stupid assholes, he can only see himself as an exception, because otherwise he might have to gain some self-awareness
Funny thing is, the labor market in my country is currently being severely limited because there aren't enough people working in daycares, making parents unable to work full time. Turns out they're pretty valuable after all huh
The "Rationals" always tell me that SJW's are the sensitive ones that insert their ideology into everything like movies and video games. But then there's Stefan who inserts his views on evolutionary tribal warfare into fucking Zootopia 3:31
That wasn't even the worst thing he used in that video. IIRC he devolved into this argument about World War 1 and white feathers. It went on for about 5 minutes before he brought up Zootopia again.
@Boxcarcifer Ok, and what about communism/Socialism apologisers? They killed more people in a single century than Religion had managed. (Ok yes, less people going back in time, but then... still one century, Vs. 2000 years? I've actually done the reverse of the usual. I've gone from accidentally Marxist, like any and all Lefties, to Right Wing. All I ever selfishly wanted was to be entertained. Commies ruined all the entertainment. PS. I'm not a /fan/ of Stefan, but I do like Philosophy and I do like to hear his stances on many things. But all the no cos' he's bad, are no better than the Orange Man Bad Brigade.
@@jomotaku If you believe that, good luck in life. Seriously people like you are no different to the Religious Puritans who feared technology and 'Mad Scientists', only you all fear the 'Greedy Capitalist'. You all anthropomorphize either Boogeyman so there's something to blame with all the hate in your hearts, provided they're not your immediate Bill payers, because that just makes (The multitude of people I've encountered who are Anti Capitalist, when they mean Anti-Corporatist) them look unbelievably think and selfish, which most Progressives turn out to be. I know, I was one of them. Takes a long, long time to notice how Hippies, Hipsters etc, etc are often really nasty pieces of work. Secular Puritans, again... good luck with that.
@@suddenlyfrogs9504 its funny that u cannot see the irony in me giving u a meme answer to ur meme statement and then instantly making me out to be some indoctrinated individual, like im not sure maybe ure trying to make fun of me right now but the inability to critically think about a statement and instantly resort to random generalizations seems to me like ure a cardboard cutout rightwinger
I think the most disturbing thing in this video is the idea that Stephan Molyneux worked at at daycare! The idea of him spewing his women hating nonsense at toddlers gives me the shivers
What should scare you more is that he probably didn't, and appears normal in his everyday life. That's the problem with hateful ideology - it takes root wherever it can, sometimes in the unlikely, friendly guy. I've had people who seemed decent but revealed very shitty beliefs later on, and were probably equally surprised I was an "SJW".
jbaz77777 if you want to know who rules over you, find out who you cannot criticise. Second wave feminism fuck the west but if you tell anyone you will get slaughtered and yet feminism is a minority ideology but somehow ingrained it’s self in to everybody’s way of thinking! A little like cancer.
I used to watch Stefan religiously and he was a gateway to further radicalization. I never entertained opposing view points or even took time to deconstruct his arguments. Thank you Shaun for making this video and exposing Stefan for who he is. I’ve said it before, your videos have brought me back to the light and been instrumental in my de-radicalization process, along with going to university and and speaking with very patient professors
That whole bit about descendants of “pilgrim fathers” in New York bit at 21:48 pisses me off so much. Mostly because I am actually descended from some of the first founders of New York (back when it was New Amsterdam) and hearing someone just straight up pretend my ancestors were pilgrims is just....so annoying? They were Dutch, Stefan!! They were from the Netherlands! I know Europe is just one homogenous hodgepodge to you but it sure as hell wasnt to the people of New Netherland.
Geary Well he says some men are just evil....so we should simply accept the fact some men are just evil while holding women accountable for everything. Holding one gender to a higher standard is just fucking stupid.
Geary Molyneux in his own words wants to hold women accountable for the actions of men. Isnt your comment directed at what Molyneux said? So, what is the other guy barking about?
Imagine someone robs Stephan’s house, and we all just respond to him, “why’d you pick a house that could be robbed? You’re causing the decline of western civilization!”
So I have been put in the spot where an angry man starts loudly taking out his personal frustrations with my gender out on me more than once, and it’s horrifying every time. Especially when I’m not great at confrontation and I’ve misplaced my quick witted friends. So with the tone and conviction he had behind his “women perpetuate assholes by continuing to choose assholes” argument, I was actually starting to feel kind that sick panicky feeling of “Oh god, I don’t know how to respond to this and I’m genuinely scared of how this is going to go” when you finally cut in to dryly summarize his point before waiving it off and that got the biggest belly laugh from me. Thank you for your calm, methodical approach. I watch your videos as much for the informational content as I do for the calm dry wit that you make them with.
Dude. You are a hero, and a genuine detective hunting down and investigating all those sources. While reading an article or two isn't difficult of course, when you read whole books, hunt out audio books via quoted transcript -- I mean, that's just damned impressive. Please keep up all this incredible work.
As someone who was raised by a single mother (a fairly young one at that) his comments on it really upset me :/ My biological father left when I was really young so I have no idea what their relationship was like, but what I do know is that she's done her goddamn hardest to raise me well. She's who I'm closest too by far, she's protective as a mother should be, but never overbearing. She's only ever raised her voice at me if she was worried by something I did, and she still makes sure to apologize for it. TL;DR: Single moms are fucking awesome, and I can't believe this human thumb even TRIED to insinuate otherwise
The problem with this take is that it's more of an exception than a rule. A single mother, usually, has lower income, less time to spend on a child, and generally is not particularly wise since she ended up being a single mom. Now there are exceptions, as there always are, but a majority of single moms are not a better or even an equal option to a full family. And yes, I was raised by a single mom. It wasn't fun.
Anti-SJWs: Feminists read WAYY too much into things Also anti-SJWs: **make hours worth of videos about "the Alpha male" or other tribal/sexual-based misogyny whenever they watch a Disney movie** (Edit for typos)
When middle easter shitholes literally live word by word of their ideology; traditional? ✓ Misogynistic? ✓ Hyper-Nationalistic? ✓ Ethno-states? ✓ Homophobia? ✓ So why not convert to islam, learn arabic and fuck off to one of these countries hell surely like it
@@Ponera-Sama I feel for those poor women. I can't imagine the amount of internalized self hatred you need to have to marry a man like that... I hope they're ok.
Whenever people talk about how family values have gone down and fathers used to be strong and manly and mothers used to only focus on loving their children and loving their husband and everybody always knew what they were doing sound like toddlers describing their parents at preschool. Like they managed to live a whole ass 60 something years and never understood that things feel different when you're a child. "My daddy was the biggest strongest daddy in the world and he worked the hardest job and my mommy only ever thought about me and never about sex! How come now that I'm an adult parents aren't like that!? >:("
My Father's grandfather went and left behind a wive and four children in the early 1910s, vanishing to America, never again contacting them... SOO Strong, Manly and morally upstanding...
Historians: Roman hegemony was a really interesting time in history which we can study to understand ancient civilisation, military strategy, politics, philosophy, historiography, engineering, social structures, empire building and collapse - its such a vast subject that historians have been studying since ancient times and will be studying far into the future. Molyneaux: Women are bad. Historians: huh?
How the hell do you get women being bad from the subject of the fall of the Roman Empire? If I were to offhandedly compare it to anything, I'd compare it to the fall of the Ancien Regime with its progressively distant aristocrats (and even that's not a great comparison).
that's a question you should put to molyneaux the faux intellectual. the ancien regime aristos couldnt see the wood for the trees, whether male or female, so i would have the same issue with that argument too. Though the AR & subsequent revolution was fascinating, so i'd be happy for any excuse to read into it again, just not a baseless argument that 'it's women's fault'.
@@rednaxelA11 I didn't mean that the French Revolution was the fault of women either, just that the fall of the Ancien Regime is more comparable to the fall of Roman Empire (which is a stretch, I admit). Apologies if that wasn't clear. BTW, Molyneaux is also a plagiarist in his Rome video.
28:27 "I worked in a daycare and there was some nice people there, but a lot of them are kinda like minimum wage people, and so on. They would be the least economically productive or valuable people to have raise your children." I worked in a daycare and there were some nice people, but one guy was kinda like a moronic bigot who had this youtube channel, and so on. He would be the least economically productive or valuable person to have raise your children.
KUKAKYOTOTOKYO - Thank you for this. I was shocked by how enraged I felt when he said that. Such a caring, big-hearted way to describe your coworkers, who are providing a vital, foundational service for small children. Stefan has the empathy of a hammerhead shark.
I'm surprised Shaun mostly held back from commenting on such an insanely moronic statement. It's like he thinks being poor is a disease that you catch from being around other poors. Plus billionaires would be like the worst daycare workers I can imagine like holy shit lol
It's so dehumanizing and demeaning. Not 'minimum wage worker' but 'minimum wage PERSON'. He deadass thinks that economic production dictates your value as a human being, even if you're doing a job that is pretty up there in 'professions that actually keep society running'.
24:00 I noticed hidden in his incel rage speech, he slipped up talking about "assholes" and accidentally dropped "black" in there and tried to change the sentence into "keeping a flame alive" in a vague metaphor. He very nearly revealed in no uncertain terms what his real problem is
I know this is years old, but you do an incredible amount of research. Thank you for doing this; I’d imagine it took quite a while to put this together.
Lady Cyprus One of the best channels for leftist (who in general) are to stupid to rationally form any serious thoughts for themselves. All I get every time I talk with a leftist is a link to a Shaun video. And he’s shit.
Decayed Knight there’s a reason in the description it says anything else available upon request but since this video came out forever ago, maybe you can take a class and do your own research.
Heather Farewell Tl;dr Too lazy to come up with excuse for my leftist apologetic you should do all research negating the need to even watch said video. NO it is Shaun’s job to place evidence for his conclusions and to have said information readily made accessible and too also (if he felt so inclined.) to time stamp his video into sections, and his rebuttals to points made by Stephan. You can’t just say “Shaun shows all his research.” Then get mad when someone points there is literally no research present once so ever. Yet another reason I don’t trust the left. “Your not sucking up daddy Shaun’s pay load open your mouth now!”
Decayed Knight First off, yes he should put all his research up in the description, Nothing I’ve said entailed that he shouldn’t. But is it really that hard just to google the Roman time line and read for like what, 15 minutes? Secondly you do not know me so keep your assumptions to yourself because no, I’m not constantly sucking off leftists and swallowing their cummies, I’m not radical. Just because I agree that Stephan is a piece of shit doesn’t mean I don’t agree with concepts of the right. Yes his sources should be in the description it if you’re really so triggered they aren’t maybe just don’t watch his videos then.
If we pretend for a moment that Stefan is correct about farmers not being able to compe with slaves and thus end up on the dole... then the easiest solution is to implement a minimum wage and abolish slavery. Slavery is the issue. Nobody can compete with free labour, so abolish free labour. If everyone has a minimum wage, less people will be dependant on the grain dole because they have more money. Theres other factors at play and I simplified it, but still Problem mostly solved.
I'm sorry, sir, but abolishing slavery would require the state to distort the free market and steal millions of denari worth of private property. Damned leftists, letting their weak emotions like "empathy" and "compassion" get in the way of economic prosperity.
Yes! Finnally at least one intelligent comment. Thats why China abolished slavery thousands years ago. Slave is a bad worker. The best slave is a person who thinks he is free. Like in modern times!
@@garrettpreston4136 definitely not. A lot of people worked for a very regular wage (or paid per task), including all of the roman state functionaries, which include the army, but it is also known that slaves themselves were not completely cut out from money, at least not all of them. It was a thing to own slaves and give them money for their work anyway, depending on the type of work they did. Slave miners or debt slaves weren't, for example, because of the cause of their enslavement (for slave miners, mostly condemnation for a crime ; for debt slaves, well it's self-explanatory, you are in debt and temporarily* become a slave to compensate) And obviously, any worker that was not a slave had to be paid : depending on the qualification and how they had been hired, the wage for regular or per task.
I love him going "There only used to be elite universities like Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge." Dude. My University is older than your freaking country.
and most of the modern elite universities (those in the old world as well) started out as bible schools that trained preachers, not academical institutions creating the leading spriits of the englightenment ;)
I don't think you understand Roman history. There was this guy called Seizure and he was the god-king of Romanistan for over 2000 years. He was the baddie in the bible and can also be seen in the film 'Carry On Cleo' if you need a second source. I don't know why you would though. Bible. SEE YA.
1. Hamilton hasn't been written yet 2. Hamilton becomes a wild success 3. Alabama places higher restrictions on abortions Coincidence? If I say it's not with a calm, smart-sounding tone, it's not
Stefan's default tone has a strong, unending aura of "GOTCHA!" like he thinks he's throwing down some sick, unpopular truths and refuses to be silenced, and honestly that's like the third most insufferable part of him, besides the sexism and racism.
Regarding the grain dole; I can't fathom the mental hoops one must jump through to acknowledge that the influx of slavery caused a job shortage for farmers, and *still somehow* blame the welfare program enacted to combat a potential revolt as the reason for an economic crash and NOT the slave trade that started it all to begin with.
Exactly. Plus, he goes on to highlight falling birth rates & population decline as another problem... I thought the main issue was there already being *too many* people who couldn't feed themselves! 🤦 (You just KNOW that if the population had been increasing instead of falling, Stephen would have blamed the birth rates all the same! "All the welfare queens on the grain dole kept having children, exploding the population! A society can only support so many people, etc.")
Oh yeah, it's not like the word "people" has anything to do with humanity. Grouping people always inevitably involves some degree of impersonalization.
@@felixmoore6781 He said that they have the least amount of value in all of society implying that how much money and wealth you have determons (not native English sorry) how much you are worth as a person.
"Women only choose a holes." So how many women have been fawning over you, Stefan? Have to admit, during his long diatribe about abuse and criminalistics, I did smirk when he said 'Politicians'.
PandinusRex If women chose only "nice" guys, Stefan would complain that male masculinity is being replaced by effeminate degenerating weakling feminists.
Women "choosing" assholes for partners is a myth that needs to die. I won't lie, I thought the same thing when I was in high school and I resented girls for seemingly skipping over me to date unlikable jerks. Apparently Stefan didn't learn that relationships are more complex than that after leaving 12th grade.. Just the idea of being angry at a woman who is trapped in an abusive relationship (with someone who could have been a totally different person when they met), and "holding her accountable" is pretty terrible.
ye people forget that 9 times out of 10, a woman dates an asshole, is because when they met, he wasent upfront about the fact hes an asshole, noone walks around and goes "do you want to go on a date with me an also i am a bastard who will beat our future children"
He can be glad. I don't choose assholes, so I wont choose him. Also hes the PERFECT EXAMPLE of a "nice guy". I realy want so slap his face softly with a brick over and over again.
I'm glad there are people making videos debunking this area of conspiracy theory, really messed up my mental health getting exposed to this type of thought as a young girl
Wish I didn't relate, but I do. Full on had existential crises thinking I would peak at 19 and society wouldn't value me if I wasn't fertile, like what the actual f
I dont get why anybody likes him. I found him boring and long winded like a class you could fall asleep in, long before I saw excerpts of his that were problematic.
@@cossaizy6309 1) Egypt exists 2) Akhenaten stops worshipping the pantheon in favour of just praising Aten 3) Egypt, the basketcase of Rome, is conquered
@@cossaizy6309 Yeah Ancient Egypt arguably had a longer run time than 'Western Civilization' has had (if you define 'Western Civilization' as starting in Classical Greece, which is debatable) and was already on the way out before Rome was even founded.
@@apophis7712 I know, reading again today I surprised myself. It's a little too much, and Eyore, Piglet and Tigger would have to watch. Hell he'd probably go after Christopher Robin next, just out of blood lust, and to show them who's runnin' shit now.
Also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, he thinks that Augustus wasn't a control freak, this is a man who from the age of 18 had single minded ambition to seize power, a man who had his grandson killed because he made the family look bad, and exiled his daughter from Rome because apparently she was sleeping around. Does that sound like a guy who would just let the state run itself.
He also like literally legalized murdering rich people and their families to steal their wealth. Like isn’t this supposed to be the worst possible nightmare for libertarians?
"WE HAVE TO HOLD WOMEN ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT DATING THE GUYS WE THINK THEY SHOULD. You know. like me. Nice guys." Also, I mean... I'm no historian, but it seems to me that even at its best, "Roman Virtue" pretty much depended whether you were wearing the boot or beneath it.
Roman virtues are very different from what we'd consider nice things today. Contemporary chroniclers of the time seems to produce tales of backstabing, deceitful women from time to time. We might call the patronage system institutionalized, unashamed corruption but to these people it could be what holds their great society together.
Stefan Millienuts: Feminist need to learn your place in life and stop complaining so much about men Also Stephan Millienuts:pretty women need to learn that they can't have everything because of their looks.
Sing with Stefan: 4:45 there's no need to feel down I said, 4:45, pick yourself off the ground I said, 4:45, 'cause you're in a new town There's no need to be unhappy
I'm a historian and those snippets are causing me actual pain. Last time I've seen such warped worldview it was the rambling of middle-school aged children.
@@erinhaury5773 Yes, but the Germanic tribes were not as numerous as the people they conquered, especially in heavily populated Gaul, so most ancestry that goes back that far would be Romano-Gallic. And of course lots of people have come and gone in France in the 1500 years or so since then.
@Eric, The Fearsome Social Liberal That's really not true. The Goths settled in Italy and Spain and parts of the Balkans, the Vandals settled in North Africa, and the Lombards settled in northern Italy after the Goths had lost it to the Byzantines, while the Romans at one time ruled as far north as southern Scotland. However the Goths, Vandals, and Lombards stopped speaking their own Germanic languages and started speaking Romance languages instead, while the people of Britain were never fully Latinized so the Anglo-Saxons who took over there had little incentive to stop speaking their own Germanic language. And the Slavs settled as far south as Bulgaria.
In this case it's "correlation (as long as you don't look at the time scale)". In Stefan's history view: some guy sneezes somewhere in Africa in 10 000 BC → Roman Empire falls. It must be causation!
i first thought that said "tomatoes" and was like "no wait, those weren't near italy for hundreds of years more" and then realized how much of this video was about the times being off.... might as well blame the tomatoes. :P
i want to know the name of the lady in Stefan's head. the one who he just can't stop thinking about, the one who rejected him and he never recovered from it. what's her husband's name? the one she married, who makes her happy. she hardly ever thinks of Stefan anymore, these days. i'm reminded of a Zen koan: two monks are walking along the road when they come to a river that crosses the road. the bridge is out, and there's a lady standing there, wanting to cross the river but unable to. the first monk hesitates, because monks of his country aren't allowed to touch women at all. the second monk, however, moved by compassion for the lady, just bodily picks her up and carries her across the river, fording it with his strength. when they reach the other side, he sets her down and she thanks him, despite the awkwardness of being carried, it was a nice gesture. the monks move on, and the first monk (who held back from helping her) can't contain himself any longer. he cries out at the first monk, "why did you carry her across the river? you KNOW we're not allowed to touch women. you're going to get in trouble!" and the first monk just looks over at his friend and he's like, "oh, i left her at the river. looks like it's you who's still carrying her." set the lady down, Stefan. it's time.
The woman is his mother. He went on a few rants about her as well. Most famous one when he said the only reason she was not dead(did not kill her) is because she is his mother and nothing more. Said she was abusive to him and his siblings growing up. And his father left them all.
Well... he looks to be in his forties. When there is a divorce, courts give the women the children because men can't look after children. They are supposed to make money so that the mother can care for the children. It's possible that the courts gave her custody, and she abused her children. As long as the kids don't need medical attention, the abuse is shrugged off. This is why we need feminism... so that men, and the courts, see themselves as viable nurturing parents.
I want to understand how he can possibly consider himself one of the "good guys." "Every evil man came from the vagina of a woman..." is the most ridiculous, awful, bigoted, victim blaming garbage I've ever heard in my whole life. It's also crazy he puts so much responsibility on the shoulders of women while simultaneously demanding they be given no authority.
What I find interesting is that none of these "Rome's fall mimmicks our own" never bring up the destabilizing effect Christianity had on the Roman sense of unity and character.
Or the fact that the roman war machine was basically their biggest economic boom with all the slaves and manpower and recourses taken from where rome started to where the empire fell apart. Almost as if capitalism running wild eventually dries up supplies, corrupts politicians, treats people like shit and so on Also the fact that the romans used lead in their water pipes The ever growing corruption of those in power who were also the richest motherfuckers in the world while the countryside was being burned by barbarians and so on
@@juanpablomontalvo4715 I know that lead in the water pipes is a bad thing, but what does it do exactly, and how did it contributed to Western Rome's fall ?
Nihil Ego Lead was known to be toxic by the romans but they still used it brazenly to transport their water and to sweeten their wine. What better analogy of short sightedness than that right
@@juanpablomontalvo4715 Woah, one of the mightiest empire in History, one that conquered the Mediterranea and a good chuck of Western Europe was partially defeated by their own carelessness. There's something to learn about that I guess.
@@NIHIL_EGO I visited Pompeii and wrote an essay on Rome's fall before entering University. My tour guide mentioned that the lead pipes were actually not very damaging because it became limescaled and congealed around the inside the pipe so the water spent very little time in contact with the lead. Lead was more widely used in makeup and actually took a little while to poison people. I don't know if they ever changed their makeup material they used over time or not. The major competing theories (by this I mean, Adrian Goldsworthy and Peter Heather) are Infighting, non-romans getting gud + being pushed inward by the Huns, fighting against the barbs who had already been settled in Rome. Though this is not an either or situation, just different historians putting emphasis on different things while accepting its a mixture of everything. Recent research/theorising has centred around how the climate and weather may have forced The Huns to migrate west and thus displacing the non-romans who had to invade/settle in Rome to survive. But my most favourite quote about this debate comes from Goldsworthy. "Not only are the causes of Rome’s fall disputed, but also how long the process took. Some, like Gibbon, see the roots deep in the earlier history of the empire, which produced a slow decline over several centuries. Others suggest a shorter time span, although virtually no one has argued that it took less than a few generations. Debate continues to rage, each age answering the question according to its own obsessions and prejudices. The fall of the Roman Empire remains one of the great mysteries of history."
There are women like that in the world but they are the soulless female version of men like him. Then those men complain about being taken to court and have all their money taken away... they're the type of people who believe relationships are about an exchange of sex for money. Why wouldn't a woman who is the equivalent type of rotten person take her crappy husband she's sick of to court to extract the remaining money from him? After all, these people don't believe in love or compassion. I mostly financially supported my ex for over a decade whilst he got more and more abusive. When I left I lost almost everything. It was better to just get out of there and forget about objects. I miss those things but it wasn't worth having further contact with someone trying to gaslight me into thinking his abuse was him "looking after me". When these men talk about how all women only care about $$$ and sit around planning divorce and bankrupting their ex husbands I know what ilk of women they're talking about.... it isn't most women.
The "women only date assholes" rant was head-scratching for me. In fact, that view in general baffles me, because the people behind it so rarely define what they mean by assholes and their opposite. For example, I would define Stefan Molyneux, who doesn't read or understand his sources, and generally blames women for the complex and varied instances of child abuse, as an asshole, but I doubt he would agree with that definition.
Anna Olson he also basically implies that the only reason a relationship could end is if one of the people involved is a bad person, which is a massively simplified view of relationships.
Asshole = anyone a woman chooses over Stefan. Also - and I'm just guessing - it sounds like Stefan really hates his mom & dad? Maybe his dad was totally a legit, abusive asshole. Shit is Freudian as all fuck.
Anna Olson If I could guess (and that's if they're being serious about it), it's reviving old arguments for eugenics. At the turn of the century, many intellectuals were supportive of eugenics to purify the bloodlines. At worst, it was the Nazis, but I doubt he's going that far. The "liberal" form of eugenics believed that criminality was genetic, so the belief was sterilizing habitual criminals would bring the crime rate down.
"If you watched Frozen, and came away talking about human fertilization and the sexual marketplace, well, you know you definitely took a wrong turn somewhere" -Shaun 2016
As someone who loves history to an obsessive degree. The alt-right makes all these historical references, lying, and cutting out anything that doesn't agree with them. It frustrates me to no end.
And you know what's worse: they say those horrendous things with such a certainty they are right, that I always feel completely baffled. They're either disgustingly dishonest or they're actual sociopaths.
Same. Nothing is more painful than watching an idiot talking about something he knows nothing about like he’s a damn genius... except someone whos doing it to push a retarded political agenda -.-
What does Stefan mean when he screamed that "women have to be held accountable" for "choosing assholes" to have children with? This sounds like some serious Handmaid's Tale stuff here. It gave me chills...
in addition to what others here have said: it might also mean: "women need to stop dating black people". i certainly had that suspicion and that became even stronger when he said they cling on to "those black bastard..." paused and continued with "flame" as if he just caught himself letting his mask slip.
If you do not follow the logic. Everyone should bear consequences of own decisions and not being bailed out by anybody else, otherwise they tend to repeat mistakes which didn't burn their ass.
The last bit about being descended from heroes who fought for freedoms had me thinking "yea, I was, but not the ones you think, Stefan." For context my Great Grandad was part of the union strikes when Thatcher closed the mines. I look up to him as a hero of the working class, even though he did not succeed. He fought for his class and his kind. I'm certain that he wasn't the first union member in my family either, and I can safely tell you he's not the last.
Technically it still should be true, these neocon lunatics now holding the party hostage aren't really Republicans anyway... and I'm from a country where the Democrats would count as right wing party...
@@cossaizy6309 They were more or less united under a banner in order to battle against the Romans. Of course they weren't all on that side, but it's like saying the Allies were fighting the Axis in WWII because there were still lots of axis/nazi sympathizers in the war.
These bits where these Alt-Righters become really unhinged and deranged in their rants on women are both fascinating and terrifying. It is the moment where their masks finally slip, all pretense of "intellectuality" or "rationality" gets pushed aside and their true nature is revealed.
1. Ruled by brothers who were raised by wolves
2. Not ruled by brothers raised by wolves
3. Rome collapses
1. Not at war with Carthage
2. At war with Carthage
3. Rome collapses
Actually, many Romans in their own time believed that not having a worthy opponent to challenge them (like Carthage) was what made the empire weak; many wished that Carthage had never been destroyed.
@@cooperross9495 weren't the parthians a worthy opponent?
By most measures, definitely, but you know how it is--people complaining about societal decline are always trying to come up with reasons for why the past was better. If there's a hole in their argument, they ignore it.
So it's the extermination of the timber wolf in America that's led to this country's decline. I fucking knew it.
Oh my god it just never stops. "If women chose nice guys, we..."
We?
Buddy, you wouldn't be in there.
I particularly enjoyed the part where Stefan was literally ranting like an asshole about how stupid women are for being attracted to assholes. I feel awful for this fool's poor daughter.
@@erinhaury5773 "It's almost always the same thing either, the woman chose to mate with a bad man OR, for driving a good man away, which is even worse." Translation: "Even when a man chooses to abandon his children, that is ultimately the woman's fault." I can't stand to hear this man talk.
@@GhengisJohn her "fault" insofar she chose to mate with the bad man instead of choosing a good man, not her fault for the kids ending up abandoned. There are many things to nitpick about the video but that part was fairly straightforward
@@Flackon My brother, I don't even see that as straightforward because real life is a lot more complicated than that. But I salute your Ramirez avatar.
@@GhengisJohn Yeah it is quite more complicated but I think the guy here was alluding to how women have the sexual selective power which is true in aggregate (although It likely wasn't true in the times of the patriarchy and certainly not in the Roman Empire)
I think "women are to blame for criminals because all criminals were birthed by women" is the WILDEST take I've ever heard
so are men powerful and decisive, or do they actually have zero agency and women are the cause for everything they do? pick one stefan lol
Technically, he says that all criminals were birthed by women who chose to marry assholes. This is a claim supported by
@@timothymclean yup supported by
@@timothymclean Don't worry, I'm sure he has a credible scientific source that assholery is genetically heritable. We just have to be patient that he will provide it, 5 years after the fact.
@@FumbleSquid Maybe the answer was "nothing" all along?
its incredible how this all boils down to a middle aged man applying "nice guys finish last" to the fall of the Rome.
It's incredible how this all boils down to you agreeing with him and disagreeing with him at the same time without being aware it. You know, sort of like the same like a neo-nazi claiming to hate wars brought about by international jewry but at the same time glorifying wars as both noble and heroic. Molyneux is useless. But most of you chimps commenting here are just raging chimps trying to *out-chimp* him and as such you're in no position to point fingers at him.
You know what the irony is? You're unwittingly empowering the likes of him because you're too ignorant to see that your high-school p*ssing contest level retorts are NOT going to stop vile scum like him.
while showing he does not understand "nicety" OR Rome ;)
Yep, but then ignorance is the mother of Arrogance
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"That's from his video about Zootopia"
...
WHAT?
Yes. As noted by others, Molyneux is fucking unhinged.
Funny, considering how these types treat furries.
Funny, considering how these types treat furries.
Damn........ We said the exact same thing....... months apart.
Nice
My mom married a well-educated, hardworking, intelligent, kind man, who it turns out didn't have very much clue how to raise a child. It doesn't take an asshole to make a bad parent.
Yeah my dad passed away, isn’t my mom such a cunt for marrying someone who died?
@@connorbranscombe6819 she is if she married him after his death ;)
also: being an asshole isn't inheritable let alone genetic. there is no "asshole gene" that they're willingly passing on or anything.
the reason people are abusive for example does not (contrary to popular belief) seem to correlate with having abusive parents. (idk about the source for that but i saw it in a book called "why does he do that?" in case you want to look for it. ik it's not enough but hey). though that connection does grow far stronger in the cases of particularly violent offenders.
whereas stefan seems to think that if every woman married a "nice guy" that abuse would disappear.
Right. Parenting is a skill not everyone has. But it should be part of our education. Lack of education isn't excuse why we didnt educate in this or other field we should.
My mom's marriage to my dad was an arranged marriage by their fathers in the fundamentalist community I grew up in. It must have been her fault for agreeing to marry a husband who was chosen for her by other men.
''the answer is obvious but political correctness prevents us from talking about it'' is the most ominous answer anyone could give when asked about how to deal with the urban poor
It leads to every possible answer, really.
Like, the answer could be "just start eating them. Literally devour the poor", but it could also be "just behead all landlords and make a public example out of them". 💀
@@floreroafloreril1458the latter has proven itself to work
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The latter doesn’t sound like the wrong answer.
He’s a Nazi, so it would definitely be a really bad idea to follow anything he says.
Can we just take a moment to acknowledge the irony of talking about how "political correctness" prevents us from talking?
Lmao he picked a point in history where slavery was rampant as the happiest overall time for the human race. Yeah, except for all the SLAVES
Yeah but you see it's very clever, if you just don't consider slaves human, hey presto everyone's happy
@Sigurd Blergh Blergh if you work really well as a slave, they might let you retire before you die.
@@j.kaimori3848 Yay! that's so much better
Slaves don't count as people though, everyone knows that.
Has there ever been a time without slavery?
The “what is Stefan talking about” game is my favorite
But if you did not listen to the rant already you'd never be able to guess correctly... he is totally out there... all the time.
@@Ugly_German_Truths e
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Gonna be honest. I just imagine him ranting to little girls about how frozen represents the sexual market place and giggle
I'm ashamed that I could guess accurately despite never having seen any of the mentioned videos.
Willow Wisp how?
When Molyneux began saying "Young men...", I was braced for the world's worst cover of "YMCA", and I wasn't disappointed.
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Young men... we need a Western society.
I said, young men... you can put your mind at ease.
I said, young men... we're gonna make a traditional ethno state
And I say women... won't... give... me... a date...
ba, da, ba, da... it's fun to stay at the ole' KKK! the ole' KKK...
@@ryanotte6737 Eeeeeeeehhhhhhh, needs work.
Artie Rupinen How about this?
Young man... we need a western regime
i said young man... our world just needs to be cleaned
i said young man... put blame on minorities
We can end this marxist grand plan
It’s fun to bully the L-E-F-T
It’s fun to bully the L-E-F-T
@@grantcambron3597 hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Thanks for making me laugh
I love that “women choosing assholes” is both a great reproductive strategy and the end of the human race for Stefan.
Wait a second.
Holy shit. That logical conclusion was such a fucking shambles that only after reading your comment did I realize how overwhelmingly shit it was
Also it's doubly funny since he's an asshole, himself
So why do women choose assholes?
@@JFRAMEUSA Some women think they can fix an asshole, some women don’t think the man in question is an asshole, some women choose a man that wasn’t an asshole before but became an asshole over time, and so on ad nauseum. Your question is so weird because it could be met with *countless* responses. To reduce a woman’s choice of an asshole partner to reproductive strategism is silly.
No no no, I think women are great, they didn't choose him.
Stefan: Stop saying your ancestors were evil!
Also Stefan: Evil exists because women have been propagating it genetically for generations!
He means that your male ancestors aren’t evil. Whenever he says anything about society or ancestors or the world, he means men only.
@@6.lastname even then he asserts that being an asshole is a "good mating strategy," so statistically it's likely both your ancestors were assholes.
@@BaronCemetery that's not statistically likely, that's a fact.
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He hasn't said that.
@@aglazeddonut6635 You got a source for those statistics?
"I encourage you all to go watch Stefan video"
Yeah, I'm have to give that a solid no there, chief
XD best username I've seen in a while.
As a wise man once said "Negatory, good buddy."
I feel sick just from the clips. How much weed is this SOB on?!?!?
I’m worried I’d lose a few brain cells watching it
My brain still hurts from his bullshit about Zootopia.
"You are descended from heroes"
Stefan, I'm German, my grandfathers literally fought for the Nazis.
Yeeeaaah, that one made me wonder if he has a German audience. Not made up of holocaust deniers. Chances are slim.
They all propably believe in the clean wehrmacht myth anyway
@@laurioho2041 lol
Lol Oo
@@laurioho2041 lmfao true
The nazi phase sucks but if u go further back like waaaaay further back Germany has done really cool things (one of the most important countries in Europe)
The funniest thing about Molyneux's ranting about "women choosing arseholes" is that he thinks he's *not* an arsehole.
If women chose partners based on them being assholes Stefan would have a harem.
It's always like that with guys like these lmao. Complete lack of self-awareness.
Stefan: "I worked in a daycare"
Have more terrifying words ever been spoken?
Individual Fat1 you should see the sorts of people that work in social services.
“Trump is president”
Gotta get those fresh, ripe, fertile eggs early!
ThatBad Player I don't necessarily think he's good but politicians doing stupid things isn't new whereas I don't expect daycare workers to be ... well...stephan molyneux
@ruslas zubres nothing wrong with a man in daycare, but if said man goes on to say "all bad men came from WOMEN'S VAGINAS, and we need to hold them accountable!".
Idk if I would want my child around said man.
To be fair, grains are "slow carbs" so they take a while to topple empires.
Godamnit :-). Good one.
I recommend the Keto diet for all the up and coming empires out there, that shit will keep your state fit and healthy.
@@toddharig8142 Does it have soy though?
@@moscanaveia Well, seeing as soy turns men into fembois that will just accelerate the degradation.
@@toddharig8142 Femboys or a successful empire? Well, I know which one I'm choosing.
It blows my mind that stefan simultaneously puts so much responsibility on women while also claiming that they shouldn't be allowed to have any responsibilities
but if women aren't simultaneously too stupid to be allowed and also responsible for all the most society impacting choices made today then some of the things wrong in my life might be MY fault, and that's unacceptable u.u
This right there has always made me laugh because of the transparent and illogical argument. We are watching the rationalization of a fragile mind.
The same goes his antagonistic opinion on "weak liberal men" or "soy boys" as well, yet he proudly coop the social, moral and scientific of such men.
Blame, not responsibility. Your play on words doesn’t fit
@@feonjun The Left are also all soy boys and weak low t bayta cucks but are also dangerous Antifa thugs that need to be imprisoned.
You have to love how he makes it a woman's fault for having children with "assholes" bu there is no blame for the "assholes" themselves. Absolutely fascinating.
Stefan just reminds me of so-called "incels".
It is accurate to say that we have some shit people in the world who are that way because their parents were assholes or chose partners poorly.
But ALL genders are capable of both being or ending up with assholes.
And plenty of people who were raised by assholes grow up to be good people, and vice versa.
He talks as though women are deliberately choosing the worst possible partners, and totally discounts the fact that you can be with a person for a long time before their true colours come out.
He also never provides any examples of what a non asshole partner would be like which tells me he doesn't know, or does know but knows he isn't that example so he doesn't bring it up.
It is highly upsetting not just what this guy says but that there are such bitter, deluded, hate filled people in the world.
He looks too old to reform his views but also he is intelligent enough to really be dangerous
Classic misogyny. It’s not the man’s fault for being an abuser. It’s the woman’s fault for being with him.
Mothers play a huge role in the development of the personality
@@bellatordei3440 As do fathers and at some point adults are all responsible for their own actions.
10:30 on, Shaun you miss a really golden opportunity here. Most of the urban poor in Rome actually HAD jobs- they worked in cottage industries, manufacturies for the Army (making shields, armour, weapons- typically on an industrial scsle), in the ports, as sailors, as chefs for the rich, cleaning and maintaining infrastructure, as watchmen keeping the streets safe, in early factories (such as in the perfume industry of the Late Empire- which started to approach industrial scale and, a long with early machinery, might have led to an Industrial Revolution if the Western Empire had lasted a few centuries longer) etc. In short, they were NOT unemployed- but simply didn't make enough money in their jobs to make ends meet- partly due to the rich extracting heavy rents from them and the workshops they worked for, partly due to the relative lack of technological sophistication of Roman industry compared to today (although it was far more advanced than most of the world for centuries to come). In short, these were mostly WORKING POOR, not unemployed- although much like today, Roman writers choose to focus most on the unemployed...
"Darn Plebs. Getvs a jobvs!"
Could u give me a reference or a book that talk about roman mass industry ?
Are you saying that some people are working but don't pay taxes because their surplus value is being extracted by property owners? That's preposterous!
@@raphaelmt1706 that's sarcasm, right? (Seems like it, but on the internet can never be sure...)
Basically, yes. The landowners in Rome owed all their rental income from tenements for the poor to the value those workers produced in their various jobs. A worker's value (the value of what they produce) doesn't become less just because, through inequalities of social and economic power, they are paid less. Rome had a massive class or impoverished urban menial laborers who kept the workshops and proto-factories of the city running.
@@Northstar1989 XD of course it's sarcasm
So Stefan's sources are:
(1) A work of pop history written by an early-twentieth-century British general, which Stefan shamelessly plagiarised;
(2) An audiobook by a libertarian crank, which Stefan shamelessly plagiarised;
(3) A (probably) legitimate academic article, which Stefan selectively quoted and misunderstood; and
(4) Ancient Roman writers grumbling about "kids these days" as old people have done throughout human history.
Tbf, Stefan's work is a big [CITATION NEEDED] joke. It's amazing, not even a broken clock.
My older family members when feeling nostalgic:
"Back in the day, we would pull pranks on our terrible teachers, run away from homes for a while, we were free, we did what we wanted"
My older family members when they're cranky:
"Back in the day, we respected our elders! I would never in a million years say something like this to a teacher! I LISTENED to my PARENTS because I RESPECTED ThEM!!"
@James Marshall they crossed their legs? By Zeus what horror!
(5) he made it the fuck up
(6) his nice guy/incel ramblings
The "decay" of Greece actually happened during the golden age of Athens. The big thing many call on is the decline of patriarchy but that didn't mean a lack of morality. Instead of patriarchal families that had little loyalty except to the family clan there was a sense of the common good. Many philosphers at the time preached about the common good because it was fresh and new at the time. Something that was good for all Atheans and transcended family.
The best example of this is when silver mines were discovered in Athean territory. Instead of the ruling tribe using it to enhance their power it was owned collectively and Athens used this wealth as well as their social cohesion to dominate over all other city states for almost a century and do massive public funding for theaters, books, temples and all the other stuff we admire today. These things were brought about by the decline of patriarchal family authority and it's replacement by the common good. This is why the common good became such an admired thing about Athens even after it was sacked by Sparta. This idea was then spread by Alexander and after that played a crucial role in the development of Christianity with it's idea of morality and communal values.
Clearly the common good did not make Athens invincible and it made several bad decisions including sending a doomed expedition to Sicily and sending a charismatic but incompetent admiral to command their main fleet during a crucial sea battle. Yet it also allowed for a wealthy city like Athens to exist and prosper. In previous times tribal family structure would have made this impossible as a single tribe would use wealth to enrich themselves and exclude everyone else.
Because of this I find it very hard to define what "moral decay" really means. A lot of the people thought Athens abandoning family structures and worshipping a city god over family gods and making religion public events rather than private was a great moral decay. But today these things are considered normal.
Yet also we are today starting to see a move back to tribal social structure due to the atomization of society brought on by cars, consumerism and the internet.
He's against states and authoritarianism yet idolises Rome? LOL
Zena 364 Wait so by his logic the culturally acceptable practice of fucking boys and men in Roman society is “lack of degeneracy”
Zena 364
Agree.
Ainan Kashif
Nice token example. Lol they still do worst in other parts of the world
madison knight\ Decayed knight. Your lack of comprehension of ancient Roman culture isn’t surprising, but yeah actually sexual relationships between older and younger men were commonplace in Rome, and also Athens. That was just the norm. Dude. Seriously. You can’t take what Stefan says as valuable info. He’s an actual, legit white supremacist. Don’t make yourself dumber by falling for his idiocy
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Rome was also able to interstate a multitude of cultures and religions to its nation and culture encompasses in some the greatest architectural feats in the world. Some society’s still allow sexual relations with younger people.
Im a victim of child abuse and I would not call my mother a monster for marrying my father. She was a victim as well. This man is fucking insane
You don't understand him, if she was not egoistic, she wouldn't Mary him
@@bellatordei3440 not very smart, are you?
@@bellatordei3440 dont forget to wear your helmet
@@marcb.4401 why?
@@hand13932 also the cooking gloves
Stefan has a pretty low opinion of women for a guy who rails against Islam's treatment of women
I sometimes say: The only thing that is greater than some people's sexism, is their racism.
@@riotgrrrl8807 Islam is not a race tho
@@thrawnprotocol9780 True.
But sometimes I'm wondering if race and religion are kind of all mixed together in this issue, meaning what people are actually opposing is not some religion, it's more that that religion is foreign to them.
Like there are many people who can go on an endless rant how Christianity is somehow superior to Islam, totally disregarding the horrible Christian ideologies or what's written in the bible.
More importantly: People who want to exclude Muslims totally ignore that Muslims are themselves actually hurt by this religion and by other Muslims.
So they might say "Islam is bad because.... FGM" but what they won't say is "Let's make sure girls are being saved from FGM, for example by taking in Muslim immigrants who want to leave that society".
So it seems they are against the people who want to flee because of their race, because even when Muslims oppose harmful ideas in Islam and are themselves harmed by them (more than any non muslim), there are still people who want to deny those Muslims refuge or immigration.
That's why I inferred that at least sometimes racism is just hiding behind being against Islam, especially if the criticizing party is religious themselves.
It's like people are using the "look, how bad Islam is, it's harming people and it's evil!" - argument and are just using the Muslim victims of religious fundamentalism to justify their bigotry, without wanting to help them.
And why? Maybe because they're just racist. They can't be genuinely concerned about the harm an ideology does and at the same time deny the victims of that ideology any help.
I'm an atheist by the way.
I hope my answer made sense. I'm not an expert and race seems more like an arbitrary construct to me.
Believe it or not, I'm German and in Germany, we don't really use the word "race" anymore (at least normal people don't...). We talk more about culture or country of origin when we're discussing such topics.
@@thrawnprotocol9780 in the case of Islam it is because people don't like it because it's a brown people religion.
@@riotgrrrl8807 Good comment. One thing tho, FGM isnt islamic. It is a cultural thing. Neither the quran nor any credible hadith mentiones it
Stefan: I used to work at a daycare.
Stefan: Most people who worked at daycares aren't valuable to society.
That's called providing evidence for your claims.
This was actually a good one :) But still most means many but not all. You may check in dictionary if you dont believe.
By “most” I guess he meant everyone except him. Like most stupid assholes, he can only see himself as an exception, because otherwise he might have to gain some self-awareness
@@ebrelus7687 seriously troll harder.
Funny thing is, the labor market in my country is currently being severely limited because there aren't enough people working in daycares, making parents unable to work full time. Turns out they're pretty valuable after all huh
I sleep soundly at night knowing how many women have out-achieved Stefan Molyneux in every way
By sleeping around with douchebag guys?
@@JFRAMEUSA yes
Among other things. Out achieving him is not hard.
tru dat
@@ohno5559
Don't be jealous because he is smarter than you.
@@JFRAMEUSA is this a bit
"The most recent republican president... George W. Bush-" felt like being struck in the head like a bowling ball how has it only been 4-ish years
Well…
The "Rationals" always tell me that SJW's are the sensitive ones that insert their ideology into everything like movies and video games.
But then there's Stefan who inserts his views on evolutionary tribal warfare into fucking Zootopia 3:31
20shitzngiggles It's only bad when the left does it!... Or something like that.
The left is held to a higher standard than the right.
20shitzngiggles Not to mention his patronizing and blatantly sexist mommy issues being forced into his analysis of fucking Star Wars.
20shitzngiggles yes, because films never try to give a message
That wasn't even the worst thing he used in that video. IIRC he devolved into this argument about World War 1 and white feathers. It went on for about 5 minutes before he brought up Zootopia again.
>Woman has baby
>Rome collapses
>Wamen bad
Jimmy Scrambles >Jimmy smart
@Boxcarcifer Ok, and what about communism/Socialism apologisers? They killed more people in a single century than Religion had managed. (Ok yes, less people going back in time, but then... still one century, Vs. 2000 years? I've actually done the reverse of the usual. I've gone from accidentally Marxist, like any and all Lefties, to Right Wing. All I ever selfishly wanted was to be entertained. Commies ruined all the entertainment.
PS. I'm not a /fan/ of Stefan, but I do like Philosophy and I do like to hear his stances on many things. But all the no cos' he's bad, are no better than the Orange Man Bad Brigade.
@@suddenlyfrogs9504 every person that died in a capitalist country is someone who died due to capitalism
@@jomotaku If you believe that, good luck in life.
Seriously people like you are no different to the Religious Puritans who feared technology and 'Mad Scientists', only you all fear the 'Greedy Capitalist'. You all anthropomorphize either Boogeyman so there's something to blame with all the hate in your hearts, provided they're not your immediate Bill payers, because that just makes (The multitude of people I've encountered who are Anti Capitalist, when they mean Anti-Corporatist) them look unbelievably think and selfish, which most Progressives turn out to be. I know, I was one of them. Takes a long, long time to notice how Hippies, Hipsters etc, etc are often really nasty pieces of work. Secular Puritans, again... good luck with that.
@@suddenlyfrogs9504 its funny that u cannot see the irony in me giving u a meme answer to ur meme statement and then instantly making me out to be some indoctrinated individual,
like im not sure maybe ure trying to make fun of me right now but the inability to critically think about a statement and instantly resort to random generalizations seems to me like ure a cardboard cutout rightwinger
I think the most disturbing thing in this video is the idea that Stephan Molyneux worked at at daycare! The idea of him spewing his women hating nonsense at toddlers gives me the shivers
What should scare you more is that he probably didn't, and appears normal in his everyday life. That's the problem with hateful ideology - it takes root wherever it can, sometimes in the unlikely, friendly guy. I've had people who seemed decent but revealed very shitty beliefs later on, and were probably equally surprised I was an "SJW".
jbaz77777 if you want to know who rules over you, find out who you cannot criticise. Second wave feminism fuck the west but if you tell anyone you will get slaughtered and yet feminism is a minority ideology but somehow ingrained it’s self in to everybody’s way of thinking! A little like cancer.
@@djdusted6485 oh hey, found the real cancer.
jbaz77777 Found the incel.
@Long duk dong Five seconds after some dingus thought of the term. "You want social justice, and I think this is a bad thing."
I used to watch Stefan religiously and he was a gateway to further radicalization. I never entertained opposing view points or even took time to deconstruct his arguments. Thank you Shaun for making this video and exposing Stefan for who he is. I’ve said it before, your videos have brought me back to the light and been instrumental in my de-radicalization process, along with going to university and and speaking with very patient professors
Massive props to you for having the intellectual integrity to question your beliefs. I'm glad you found your way out.
welcome back, Goodoldpal :)
Do you support his pro-race realism position?
@Goodoldpal_
Glad to have you back. I missed you
The thought of Stefan only being the 'gateway' to even worse people is terrifying
That whole bit about descendants of “pilgrim fathers” in New York bit at 21:48 pisses me off so much. Mostly because I am actually descended from some of the first founders of New York (back when it was New Amsterdam) and hearing someone just straight up pretend my ancestors were pilgrims is just....so annoying? They were Dutch, Stefan!! They were from the Netherlands! I know Europe is just one homogenous hodgepodge to you but it sure as hell wasnt to the people of New Netherland.
@Robert Bonneau Wouldn't have happen if they drank Sailor Moon instead !
So you speak Dutch? If not, you should try learning Nederlandisch
Go back to Europe, colonizer
But the dutch took some of those areas from Sweden!
So the Dutch weren't religious?
Notice how he never holds men accountable for any of their actions, but demands that women be held accountable for the actions of those men.
Geary Well he says some men are just evil....so we should simply accept the fact some men are just evil while holding women accountable for everything. Holding one gender to a higher standard is just fucking stupid.
+
last I checked society has no problem holding men accountable for their stupid shit...
Explain Trump
Geary
Molyneux in his own words wants to hold women accountable for the actions of men.
Isnt your comment directed at what Molyneux said?
So, what is the other guy barking about?
Imagine someone robs Stephan’s house, and we all just respond to him, “why’d you pick a house that could be robbed? You’re causing the decline of western civilization!”
So I have been put in the spot where an angry man starts loudly taking out his personal frustrations with my gender out on me more than once, and it’s horrifying every time. Especially when I’m not great at confrontation and I’ve misplaced my quick witted friends.
So with the tone and conviction he had behind his “women perpetuate assholes by continuing to choose assholes” argument, I was actually starting to feel kind that sick panicky feeling of
“Oh god, I don’t know how to respond to this and I’m genuinely scared of how this is going to go” when you finally cut in to dryly summarize his point before waiving it off and that got the biggest belly laugh from me.
Thank you for your calm, methodical approach. I watch your videos as much for the informational content as I do for the calm dry wit that you make them with.
Shaun is an absolute treasure, I recommend him to everyone
He worked at a daycare? The most disturbing thing I learned from all this.
Daycare if pretty alpha, most well know tribal leaders and champions worked at daycare
@[A]ddiction he has a daughter, my heart shakes
I really hope he was just the janitor.
In the one about The Force Awakens, he said he has a daughter - that's truly disturbing & worrying...
He reminds me of the old music teacher at the school i used to work at
He traumatized kids every day and we couldn't do anything to get rid of him
When Stephan Molineux talks about women he sounds like a guy whose trying to scientifically understand why the pretty girl at the bar shot him down
Nah
Science gives objectivity.
Objectivity gives distance.
Distance protects his ego.
And utterly failing to understand the real reasons. He treats women badly, therefore they don't like him.
I used to say that about Tucker Carlson as well.
He is just a grown up Incel, that’s all
Dude. You are a hero, and a genuine detective hunting down and investigating all those sources. While reading an article or two isn't difficult of course, when you read whole books, hunt out audio books via quoted transcript -- I mean, that's just damned impressive. Please keep up all this incredible work.
As someone who was raised by a single mother (a fairly young one at that) his comments on it really upset me :/ My biological father left when I was really young so I have no idea what their relationship was like, but what I do know is that she's done her goddamn hardest to raise me well. She's who I'm closest too by far, she's protective as a mother should be, but never overbearing. She's only ever raised her voice at me if she was worried by something I did, and she still makes sure to apologize for it. TL;DR: Single moms are fucking awesome, and I can't believe this human thumb even TRIED to insinuate otherwise
Stefan Molynuts has never known shit from clay about what he talks about. The very pinnacle of a pseudo intellectual arsehole.
Human thumb lol, accurate
Unfair to thumbs, thumbs are strong and necessary for tool use and technological progress, Stephen is none of these things
Stephan is a fuckin pinkie. Just kinda there, weakest of the group, rarely used, and you can live without it quite easily
The problem with this take is that it's more of an exception than a rule. A single mother, usually, has lower income, less time to spend on a child, and generally is not particularly wise since she ended up being a single mom. Now there are exceptions, as there always are, but a majority of single moms are not a better or even an equal option to a full family.
And yes, I was raised by a single mom. It wasn't fun.
Anti-SJWs: Feminists read WAYY too much into things
Also anti-SJWs: **make hours worth of videos about "the Alpha male" or other tribal/sexual-based misogyny whenever they watch a Disney movie**
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When middle easter shitholes literally live word by word of their ideology; traditional? ✓
Misogynistic? ✓
Hyper-Nationalistic? ✓
Ethno-states? ✓
Homophobia? ✓
So why not convert to islam, learn arabic and fuck off to one of these countries hell surely like it
@@cossaizy6309 nO tHeY AWe nOT kWistIan
@@saladcaesar7716 lebanon is christian enough, plus islam is basically christianity 2.0
@@cossaizy6309 However they also hate brown people. So the migration option is out.
@@kazaddum2448 well is it too late to tell you most middle easterners are just tanned, cause you know, its fucking hot down there
Molyneaux: "Why did Rome fall? Because women won't have sex with me"
Nope. Thats how Sparta fell.
Molyneaux is married and has a daughter
@@Ponera-Sama bet he wished for a son 😒
@@Ponera-Sama I feel for those poor women. I can't imagine the amount of internalized self hatred you need to have to marry a man like that... I hope they're ok.
@@anaestrada6906 And yet he's complaining that women marry assholes. He should be glad, or he'd still be an incel.
Stefan Molyneux sounds like a student trying to wing a presentation he clearly didn't prepare
Also like a student, he also plagiarized an author and passed it off as his own idea.
Holy shit, I just posted a nearly identical comment to this before I saw yours...
This is it. I couldn't figure out what he was trying to communicate because it was almost a stream-of-consciousness type speech.
He did put words on some slides, though...
Whenever people talk about how family values have gone down and fathers used to be strong and manly and mothers used to only focus on loving their children and loving their husband and everybody always knew what they were doing sound like toddlers describing their parents at preschool.
Like they managed to live a whole ass 60 something years and never understood that things feel different when you're a child. "My daddy was the biggest strongest daddy in the world and he worked the hardest job and my mommy only ever thought about me and never about sex! How come now that I'm an adult parents aren't like that!? >:("
Wow you just really hit the nail on the head. I’ve never been able to put this into words before but you’re 1000% right, that’s exactly what it is.
My Father's grandfather went and left behind a wive and four children in the early 1910s, vanishing to America, never again contacting them... SOO Strong, Manly and morally upstanding...
Historians: Roman hegemony was a really interesting time in history which we can study to understand ancient civilisation, military strategy, politics, philosophy, historiography, engineering, social structures, empire building and collapse - its such a vast subject that historians have been studying since ancient times and will be studying far into the future.
Molyneaux: Women are bad.
Historians: huh?
How the hell do you get women being bad from the subject of the fall of the Roman Empire? If I were to offhandedly compare it to anything, I'd compare it to the fall of the Ancien Regime with its progressively distant aristocrats (and even that's not a great comparison).
that's a question you should put to molyneaux the faux intellectual.
the ancien regime aristos couldnt see the wood for the trees, whether male or female, so i would have the same issue with that argument too.
Though the AR & subsequent revolution was fascinating, so i'd be happy for any excuse to read into it again, just not a baseless argument that 'it's women's fault'.
@@rednaxelA11 I didn't mean that the French Revolution was the fault of women either, just that the fall of the Ancien Regime is more comparable to the fall of Roman Empire (which is a stretch, I admit). Apologies if that wasn't clear.
BTW, Molyneaux is also a plagiarist in his Rome video.
28:27 "I worked in a daycare and there was some nice people there, but a lot of them are kinda like minimum wage people, and so on. They would be the least economically productive or valuable people to have raise your children."
I worked in a daycare and there were some nice people, but one guy was kinda like a moronic bigot who had this youtube channel, and so on. He would be the least economically productive or valuable person to have raise your children.
KUKAKYOTOTOKYO - Thank you for this. I was shocked by how enraged I felt when he said that. Such a caring, big-hearted way to describe your coworkers, who are providing a vital, foundational service for small children. Stefan has the empathy of a hammerhead shark.
I'm surprised Shaun mostly held back from commenting on such an insanely moronic statement. It's like he thinks being poor is a disease that you catch from being around other poors. Plus billionaires would be like the worst daycare workers I can imagine like holy shit lol
@@matthewmacdonaldchannel1 I resent that. I love sharks and they have much more empathy than Stefan Molyneux.
It's so dehumanizing and demeaning. Not 'minimum wage worker' but 'minimum wage PERSON'. He deadass thinks that economic production dictates your value as a human being, even if you're doing a job that is pretty up there in 'professions that actually keep society running'.
24:00 I noticed hidden in his incel rage speech, he slipped up talking about "assholes" and accidentally dropped "black" in there and tried to change the sentence into "keeping a flame alive" in a vague metaphor. He very nearly revealed in no uncertain terms what his real problem is
That sounded deliberate imo. It sounded intentional and there's a solid pause. Scary stuff
I heard that too. I wondered what he meant (I can guess) 🙄
And what's that? Because you seem paranoic
@@rodrigodemiguellamminen5244 what's scary about that?
@@maryanne1830 he said what he meant
"The golden age before the decline never existed"
This quote just never stops being relevant, does it?
I know this is years old, but you do an incredible amount of research. Thank you for doing this; I’d imagine it took quite a while to put this together.
Phil Collins
There’s literally no research. No links to support is caused just Stephan’s video and that’s its
Lady Cyprus
One of the best channels for leftist (who in general) are to stupid to rationally form any serious thoughts for themselves. All I get every time I talk with a leftist is a link to a Shaun video. And he’s shit.
Decayed Knight there’s a reason in the description it says anything else available upon request but since this video came out forever ago, maybe you can take a class and do your own research.
Heather Farewell
Tl;dr
Too lazy to come up with excuse for my leftist apologetic you should do all research negating the need to even watch said video. NO it is Shaun’s job to place evidence for his conclusions and to have said information readily made accessible and too also (if he felt so inclined.) to time stamp his video into sections, and his rebuttals to points made by Stephan. You can’t just say “Shaun shows all his research.” Then get mad when someone points there is literally no research present once so ever. Yet another reason I don’t trust the left. “Your not sucking up daddy Shaun’s pay load open your mouth now!”
Decayed Knight First off, yes he should put all his research up in the description, Nothing I’ve said entailed that he shouldn’t. But is it really that hard just to google the Roman time line and read for like what, 15 minutes? Secondly you do not know me so keep your assumptions to yourself because no, I’m not constantly sucking off leftists and swallowing their cummies, I’m not radical. Just because I agree that Stephan is a piece of shit doesn’t mean I don’t agree with concepts of the right.
Yes his sources should be in the description it if you’re really so triggered they aren’t maybe just don’t watch his videos then.
If we pretend for a moment that Stefan is correct about farmers not being able to compe with slaves and thus end up on the dole... then the easiest solution is to implement a minimum wage and abolish slavery.
Slavery is the issue. Nobody can compete with free labour, so abolish free labour.
If everyone has a minimum wage, less people will be dependant on the grain dole because they have more money.
Theres other factors at play and I simplified it, but still Problem mostly solved.
I'm sorry, sir, but abolishing slavery would require the state to distort the free market and steal millions of denari worth of private property. Damned leftists, letting their weak emotions like "empathy" and "compassion" get in the way of economic prosperity.
Yes! Finnally at least one intelligent comment. Thats why China abolished slavery thousands years ago. Slave is a bad worker. The best slave is a person who thinks he is free. Like in modern times!
Not a historian but I think the very concept of wage labour would have been very strange to the Romans.
@@ebrelus7687 you think that the Chinese who work in sweatshops making plastic toys think they’re free?
@@garrettpreston4136 definitely not.
A lot of people worked for a very regular wage (or paid per task), including all of the roman state functionaries, which include the army, but it is also known that slaves themselves were not completely cut out from money, at least not all of them. It was a thing to own slaves and give them money for their work anyway, depending on the type of work they did. Slave miners or debt slaves weren't, for example, because of the cause of their enslavement (for slave miners, mostly condemnation for a crime ; for debt slaves, well it's self-explanatory, you are in debt and temporarily* become a slave to compensate)
And obviously, any worker that was not a slave had to be paid : depending on the qualification and how they had been hired, the wage for regular or per task.
"I worked in a daycare" - Stefan Molyneux
Those poor kids.
Someone find those kids and give them mental help.
I froze in horror at that line.
As a cleaner.
Facts
Hopefully they weren't shown Frozen with him
I love him going "There only used to be elite universities like Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge."
Dude. My University is older than your freaking country.
Multiple non-elite Dutch universities are even older than his country LOL.
@@TikoVerhelst lol. I even studied at one :D
My high school was 30 years younger than his country
and most of the modern elite universities (those in the old world as well) started out as bible schools that trained preachers, not academical institutions creating the leading spriits of the englightenment ;)
I don't think you understand Roman history. There was this guy called Seizure and he was the god-king of Romanistan for over 2000 years. He was the baddie in the bible and can also be seen in the film 'Carry On Cleo' if you need a second source. I don't know why you would though. Bible. SEE YA.
Phizzy
lmao
Phizzy haha
All that I've learned Is that Caeser is a salad dressing, dude.
Caesar lives under a rock, guys.
Seezar is a really short guy that opened a pizzeria.
1. Hamilton hasn't been written yet
2. Hamilton becomes a wild success
3. Alabama places higher restrictions on abortions
Coincidence? If I say it's not with a calm, smart-sounding tone, it's not
Shaun comments sections are so witty they're *always* worth a look.
Stefan's default tone has a strong, unending aura of "GOTCHA!" like he thinks he's throwing down some sick, unpopular truths and refuses to be silenced, and honestly that's like the third most insufferable part of him, besides the sexism and racism.
Succinctly stated. Bravo. Or Brava.
@BLAIR M Schirmer Watch the video.
You summed him up perfectly
Insufferable is the exact word I was thinking of even before I read your comment. It's the correct word for this awful man
@BLAIR M Schirmer Do you actually need people to literally say "I hate women" to know they're sexist? Are you that socially incompetent?
Regarding the grain dole; I can't fathom the mental hoops one must jump through to acknowledge that the influx of slavery caused a job shortage for farmers, and *still somehow* blame the welfare program enacted to combat a potential revolt as the reason for an economic crash and NOT the slave trade that started it all to begin with.
Exactly. Plus, he goes on to highlight falling birth rates & population decline as another problem...
I thought the main issue was there already being *too many* people who couldn't feed themselves! 🤦
(You just KNOW that if the population had been increasing instead of falling, Stephen would have blamed the birth rates all the same! "All the welfare queens on the grain dole kept having children, exploding the population! A society can only support so many people, etc.")
"Women choose ASSholes over NICE guys, like ME! I'M a nice GUY! Can't you TELL. by the way I randomly EMPHASIZE. random. WORDS?"
27:35 Karen took the kids, half my money and the western half of the Roman empire. It all makes sense
This is it. This is the best comment
Don't worry, man. She took the half that's gonna be worthless real quick. Trust me, your half will last much longer.
“Minimum-wage people” has got to be one of the most dehumanizing expressions ever.
It's another side of the "Welfare Queen" label
Oh yeah, it's not like the word "people" has anything to do with humanity. Grouping people always inevitably involves some degree of impersonalization.
@@felixmoore6781 He said that they have the least amount of value in all of society implying that how much money and wealth you have determons (not native English sorry) how much you are worth as a person.
"Women only choose a holes."
So how many women have been fawning over you, Stefan?
Have to admit, during his long diatribe about abuse and criminalistics, I did smirk when he said 'Politicians'.
28:30 The apparent fact that Molyneux once worked in a daycare is probably the most terrifying thing he's said.
Lol true.
Yeahh. I bet those kids know that they are descended from heroes, though.
somed214 Molyneaux lies about his past a lot, he's stated that he worked in a lot of careers
I thought he said he's BEEN in daycares, not he's WORKED in daycares.
He probably got inspired by the Ayn Rand School for Tots.
If women started to choose only "nice" guys, Stefan definitely wouldn't be one of them...
PandinusRex If women chose only "nice" guys, Stefan would complain that male masculinity is being replaced by effeminate degenerating weakling feminists.
Even then, sometimes "nice" guys can turn out to actually be possessive A-holes. A good example is Titan from Megamind.
@@aria5614 I fucking love your audacity to use Titan from Megamind as an example of anything
PandinusRex, Good point.
No, he would, but only because you used quotation marks
Women "choosing" assholes for partners is a myth that needs to die. I won't lie, I thought the same thing when I was in high school and I resented girls for seemingly skipping over me to date unlikable jerks. Apparently Stefan didn't learn that relationships are more complex than that after leaving 12th grade..
Just the idea of being angry at a woman who is trapped in an abusive relationship (with someone who could have been a totally different person when they met), and "holding her accountable" is pretty terrible.
ye people forget that 9 times out of 10, a woman dates an asshole, is because when they met, he wasent upfront about the fact hes an asshole, noone walks around and goes "do you want to go on a date with me an also i am a bastard who will beat our future children"
He can be glad. I don't choose assholes, so I wont choose him.
Also hes the PERFECT EXAMPLE of a "nice guy". I realy want so slap his face softly with a brick over and over again.
I'm glad there are people making videos debunking this area of conspiracy theory, really messed up my mental health getting exposed to this type of thought as a young girl
Wish I didn't relate, but I do. Full on had existential crises thinking I would peak at 19 and society wouldn't value me if I wasn't fertile, like what the actual f
It's always so satisfying when the ranting lunatic finally says it's all because women won't date him. It's like playing bingo.
Blankout when they go on a rampage.
@Youcef B I agree with it being the alt right, but c'mon, lumping in gamers with that. Usually it's the conservatives who are against video games.
I dont get why anybody likes him. I found him boring and long winded like a class you could fall asleep in, long before I saw excerpts of his that were problematic.
"stefan molyneux's fall of rome" sounds like the title of a really complicated computer game.
Tom Clancy’s Why Won’t You Date Me Sarah
@@AppendixMIA Based on "Tommy Wiseau's You're tearing me apart, Lisa!"
Sid Meier's We Live In A Society IV
I wish..
@Ian Smith Yeah, I confused him with Peter Molyneux at first ...
Did Molineux just say that Egypt was the basketcase of Rome?
I think he meant to say breadbasket.
Speaking of egypt, did he forget that egypt dominated the civilization game for at least 1500 years, collapsing only 500 years later
It was the breadbasket but the Empire eventually became self sufficient
@@cossaizy6309
1) Egypt exists
2) Akhenaten stops worshipping the pantheon in favour of just praising Aten
3) Egypt, the basketcase of Rome, is conquered
It was also one of their greatest sources of internal critique. So I suppose he’s right in a roundabout way
@@cossaizy6309 Yeah Ancient Egypt arguably had a longer run time than 'Western Civilization' has had (if you define 'Western Civilization' as starting in Classical Greece, which is debatable) and was already on the way out before Rome was even founded.
Now I'm just thinking about Diocletian yelling "MY CABBAGES!!!"
yay, I was also picturing him as the cabbage man from avatar
Stefan watches Winnie-the-Pooh...
"Men need to secure Women for their tribe!"
I could see him prison style raping that bear.
@@willdenham
How dare you create such imagery?!
@@apophis7712 I know, reading again today I surprised myself. It's a little too much, and Eyore, Piglet and Tigger would have to watch. Hell he'd probably go after Christopher Robin next, just out of blood lust, and to show them who's runnin' shit now.
Neo Narcoleptic - Quite possibly my favorite comment in this whole comment section. I raise a glass of Nightmare Fuel to you.
Our white women are mixing
Roman Empire: economically based on slavery.
Molyneux : Well that's freedom.
Freedom to have someone else solve your problems
The concept of economics hadn't been invented yet.
@MustafSeye
me: the earth has been geologically active for £4,000,000,000 years
you: uh, no it hasn't, geology hadn't been invented yet.
@@alexscriabin 4,000,000,000... Pounds? And I didn't mention geology.
@@alexscriabin why did you use the euro symbol?
Also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, he thinks that Augustus wasn't a control freak, this is a man who from the age of 18 had single minded ambition to seize power, a man who had his grandson killed because he made the family look bad, and exiled his daughter from Rome because apparently she was sleeping around. Does that sound like a guy who would just let the state run itself.
a whole culture dedicated to selflessly serving the state and also ruthlessly climbing the ladder of state power, was actually somehow libertarian
He also like literally legalized murdering rich people and their families to steal their wealth.
Like isn’t this supposed to be the worst possible nightmare for libertarians?
@@servoaugusta513 Comrade Augustus 😳
@@servoaugusta513 I think that solves the tax evasion issue.
@@servoaugusta513 Libertarians aren’t very smart.
If your empire falls at the slightest instance of internal criticism, it's probably not an empire that deserves to be an empire.
Molyneux: "That will teach them ! No one will fact check 159 minutes of this drivel"
Shaun: "I'm a big Roman History fan !"
Molyneux: "Oh shit !"
"WE HAVE TO HOLD WOMEN ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT DATING THE GUYS WE THINK THEY SHOULD. You know. like me. Nice guys."
Also, I mean... I'm no historian, but it seems to me that even at its best, "Roman Virtue" pretty much depended whether you were wearing the boot or beneath it.
Roman virtues are very different from what we'd consider nice things today. Contemporary chroniclers of the time seems to produce tales of backstabing, deceitful women from time to time. We might call the patronage system institutionalized, unashamed corruption but to these people it could be what holds their great society together.
Stefan Millienuts: Feminist need to learn your place in life and stop complaining so much about men
Also Stephan Millienuts:pretty women need to learn that they can't have everything because of their looks.
Also also stephan , i must have everything i want because i have a penis
Cossai Zy And a very unimpressive one at that
Alex The space monkey lol
He is rational. Building own life on basis of looks makes ppl blind to their other qualities which they don't develop. What is you complain actually?
Sing with Stefan:
4:45 there's no need to feel down
I said, 4:45, pick yourself off the ground
I said, 4:45, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Thank you, that made me laugh
OMG😂
As a Classical Civilizations major, I was physically in pain every time the bald man spoke
Brienne Kennedy I have been scrolling through a shit ton of these comments, and this was the only one to make me Actualy laugh out loud
Hahahaha
Why does so much of the alt-right boil down to "women won't bang me and that's evil!"
@Ace Saylor Well the first one is true actually
@Ace Saylor incel detected!
@Ace Saylor and that is usually a good thing.
@Ace Saylor sure it is, you should have grown out of it by the time you are old enough to vote.
@Ace Saylor actually, yes, you should have grown out of it by now
*whiny voice* "they slaughtered all the natives!" Well yeah stefan. Genocide is kind of a thing to whine...
but thats FeElInGs
Not genocide; colonization. Now go live in an Indian Reservation and shit in a bush.
Yeah and what does colonization bring along? Genocide. Are you scared of a word?
I'm a historian and those snippets are causing me actual pain. Last time I've seen such warped worldview it was the rambling of middle-school aged children.
I love how Stefan Molyneux just berates his own mother constantly.
he really needs some form of counselling he’s been projecting his mommy issues for way too many years lmao
It's clearly her fault for giving birth to an asshole. Apparently 🤷♂️
Curiously, Stefan is most likely descended from tribes Rome would have considered barbarians.
Well, he's white and the name sounds French (or Franks, one of the Germanic barbarian states that settled in present-day France).
@@erinhaury5773 Yes, but the Germanic tribes were not as numerous as the people they conquered, especially in heavily populated Gaul, so most ancestry that goes back that far would be Romano-Gallic. And of course lots of people have come and gone in France in the 1500 years or so since then.
@Eric, The Fearsome Social Liberal That's really not true. The Goths settled in Italy and Spain and parts of the Balkans, the Vandals settled in North Africa, and the Lombards settled in northern Italy after the Goths had lost it to the Byzantines, while the Romans at one time ruled as far north as southern Scotland. However the Goths, Vandals, and Lombards stopped speaking their own Germanic languages and started speaking Romance languages instead, while the people of Britain were never fully Latinized so the Anglo-Saxons who took over there had little incentive to stop speaking their own Germanic language. And the Slavs settled as far south as Bulgaria.
I heard rumors that some of his ancestors were even Africans...
As are all these “Anglo-Saxons”.
God, how many times do idiots have to realize that correlation =/= causation?
Fascists do not care about logic or facts as long as it does not serve their message.
In this case it's "correlation (as long as you don't look at the time scale)". In Stefan's history view: some guy sneezes somewhere in Africa in 10 000 BC → Roman Empire falls. It must be causation!
Do you talk about author of the video here? ;-)
@@kazaddum2448 just wanted to add that maybe any hard ideological group doesnt cares about logic or facts as long as it does not serve their message.
I just had the thought "I've never felt so hated by someone I've never met" and realized how privileged I am
Pretty much everything contributes to the fall of Rome at this point.
I'm surprised no one blamed it on tornadoes yet.
i mean if you count alien spacecrafts as planes im pretty sure someone has
i first thought that said "tomatoes" and was like "no wait, those weren't near italy for hundreds of years more" and then realized how much of this video was about the times being off....
might as well blame the tomatoes. :P
tbh...I blame you.
clearly it was destroyed by the flying spaghetti monster.
on first glance I read that as "I'm surprised no one blamed it on tomatoes"
i want to know the name of the lady in Stefan's head. the one who he just can't stop thinking about, the one who rejected him and he never recovered from it. what's her husband's name? the one she married, who makes her happy. she hardly ever thinks of Stefan anymore, these days.
i'm reminded of a Zen koan:
two monks are walking along the road when they come to a river that crosses the road. the bridge is out, and there's a lady standing there, wanting to cross the river but unable to. the first monk hesitates, because monks of his country aren't allowed to touch women at all. the second monk, however, moved by compassion for the lady, just bodily picks her up and carries her across the river, fording it with his strength.
when they reach the other side, he sets her down and she thanks him, despite the awkwardness of being carried, it was a nice gesture. the monks move on, and the first monk (who held back from helping her) can't contain himself any longer. he cries out at the first monk, "why did you carry her across the river? you KNOW we're not allowed to touch women. you're going to get in trouble!" and the first monk just looks over at his friend and he's like, "oh, i left her at the river. looks like it's you who's still carrying her."
set the lady down, Stefan. it's time.
The woman is his mother. He went on a few rants about her as well. Most famous one when he said the only reason she was not dead(did not kill her) is because she is his mother and nothing more. Said she was abusive to him and his siblings growing up. And his father left them all.
Well his hatred for his mother certainly explains the "hold women accountable for reproducing assholes" rant, in ways that would make Freud blush.
That's actually a very good moral story. I'll have to remember that.
Well... he looks to be in his forties. When there is a divorce, courts give the women the children because men can't look after children. They are supposed to make money so that the mother can care for the children. It's possible that the courts gave her custody, and she abused her children. As long as the kids don't need medical attention, the abuse is shrugged off.
This is why we need feminism... so that men, and the courts, see themselves as viable nurturing parents.
I want to understand how he can possibly consider himself one of the "good guys."
"Every evil man came from the vagina of a woman..." is the most ridiculous, awful, bigoted, victim blaming garbage I've ever heard in my whole life.
It's also crazy he puts so much responsibility on the shoulders of women while simultaneously demanding they be given no authority.
What I find interesting is that none of these "Rome's fall mimmicks our own" never bring up the destabilizing effect Christianity had on the Roman sense of unity and character.
Or the fact that the roman war machine was basically their biggest economic boom with all the slaves and manpower and recourses taken from where rome started to where the empire fell apart. Almost as if capitalism running wild eventually dries up supplies, corrupts politicians, treats people like shit and so on
Also the fact that the romans used lead in their water pipes
The ever growing corruption of those in power who were also the richest motherfuckers in the world while the countryside was being burned by barbarians and so on
@@juanpablomontalvo4715 I know that lead in the water pipes is a bad thing, but what does it do exactly, and how did it contributed to Western Rome's fall ?
Nihil Ego
Lead was known to be toxic by the romans but they still used it brazenly to transport their water and to sweeten their wine. What better analogy of short sightedness than that right
@@juanpablomontalvo4715 Woah, one of the mightiest empire in History, one that conquered the Mediterranea and a good chuck of Western Europe was partially defeated by their own carelessness. There's something to learn about that I guess.
@@NIHIL_EGO I visited Pompeii and wrote an essay on Rome's fall before entering University. My tour guide mentioned that the lead pipes were actually not very damaging because it became limescaled and congealed around the inside the pipe so the water spent very little time in contact with the lead. Lead was more widely used in makeup and actually took a little while to poison people. I don't know if they ever changed their makeup material they used over time or not.
The major competing theories (by this I mean, Adrian Goldsworthy and Peter Heather) are Infighting, non-romans getting gud + being pushed inward by the Huns, fighting against the barbs who had already been settled in Rome. Though this is not an either or situation, just different historians putting emphasis on different things while accepting its a mixture of everything. Recent research/theorising has centred around how the climate and weather may have forced The Huns to migrate west and thus displacing the non-romans who had to invade/settle in Rome to survive.
But my most favourite quote about this debate comes from Goldsworthy. "Not only are the causes of Rome’s fall disputed, but also how long the process took. Some, like Gibbon, see the roots deep in the earlier history of the empire, which produced a slow decline over several centuries. Others suggest a shorter time span, although virtually no one has argued that it took less than a few generations. Debate continues to rage, each age answering the question according to its own obsessions and prejudices. The fall of the Roman Empire remains one of the great mysteries of history."
He make women sound so transactional. He’s not used to being around actual people, or having friends, is he?
There are women like that in the world but they are the soulless female version of men like him. Then those men complain about being taken to court and have all their money taken away... they're the type of people who believe relationships are about an exchange of sex for money. Why wouldn't a woman who is the equivalent type of rotten person take her crappy husband she's sick of to court to extract the remaining money from him? After all, these people don't believe in love or compassion.
I mostly financially supported my ex for over a decade whilst he got more and more abusive. When I left I lost almost everything. It was better to just get out of there and forget about objects. I miss those things but it wasn't worth having further contact with someone trying to gaslight me into thinking his abuse was him "looking after me". When these men talk about how all women only care about $$$ and sit around planning divorce and bankrupting their ex husbands I know what ilk of women they're talking about.... it isn't most women.
"The most recent Republican President, George W. Bush..."
ah, what a time.
You almost miss it, don't you. ^_^
I was thinking this exact thing when that came up. ah, the good old days
iu dont care about the money guys. i will never vote for a king or a queen for the us president. wrex supporters.
Only a month after this until that changed, what a time indeed
I had to quadruple take when i heard that
The "women only date assholes" rant was head-scratching for me. In fact, that view in general baffles me, because the people behind it so rarely define what they mean by assholes and their opposite.
For example, I would define Stefan Molyneux, who doesn't read or understand his sources, and generally blames women for the complex and varied instances of child abuse, as an asshole, but I doubt he would agree with that definition.
Also is assholery genetic? I don't know.
women generally lack the ability to differentiate between confidence in a man and mistreatment from a man....thus the problem persists
Anna Olson he also basically implies that the only reason a relationship could end is if one of the people involved is a bad person, which is a massively simplified view of relationships.
Asshole = anyone a woman chooses over Stefan.
Also - and I'm just guessing - it sounds like Stefan really hates his mom & dad? Maybe his dad was totally a legit, abusive asshole. Shit is Freudian as all fuck.
Anna Olson If I could guess (and that's if they're being serious about it), it's reviving old arguments for eugenics. At the turn of the century, many intellectuals were supportive of eugenics to purify the bloodlines. At worst, it was the Nazis, but I doubt he's going that far. The "liberal" form of eugenics believed that criminality was genetic, so the belief was sterilizing habitual criminals would bring the crime rate down.
"If you watched Frozen, and came away talking about human fertilization and the sexual marketplace, well, you know you definitely took a wrong turn somewhere"
-Shaun 2016
Stefan has the charisma of a guy who leads team building exercises at a corporate retreat
I haven’t heard this line before, but it’s really good
@@waytoobiasedWoah woah woah, not copypasta. Original work ™️
alright team were going to go around the circle and tell the room 1 fun fact about ourselves and our favorite factor in romes downfall
Stefan Molyneaux used to work at a daycare? That is extremely frightening.
Nope. It's extremely irrational comment.
@@ebrelus7687 god is not real
As someone who loves history to an obsessive degree.
The alt-right makes all these historical references, lying, and cutting out anything that doesn't agree with them. It frustrates me to no end.
And you know what's worse: they say those horrendous things with such a certainty they are right, that I always feel completely baffled. They're either disgustingly dishonest or they're actual sociopaths.
the left is no better.
I dunno. Shaun seems to have a good grasp on facts and reason. Steevie Molly-neww? Not so much.
Same.
Nothing is more painful than watching an idiot talking about something he knows nothing about like he’s a damn genius... except someone whos doing it to push a retarded political agenda -.-
Extremists tend to call themselves "revisionist historians" that made the word "revisionist" a problematic word
What does Stefan mean when he screamed that "women have to be held accountable" for "choosing assholes" to have children with? This sounds like some serious Handmaid's Tale stuff here. It gave me chills...
"women needs to be held accountable for being raped", he's just as bad, or worse, than those he hates the most
And he himself is no asshole, of course?
in addition to what others here have said: it might also mean: "women need to stop dating black people". i certainly had that suspicion and that became even stronger when he said they cling on to "those black bastard..." paused and continued with "flame" as if he just caught himself letting his mask slip.
If you do not follow the logic. Everyone should bear consequences of own decisions and not being bailed out by anybody else, otherwise they tend to repeat mistakes which didn't burn their ass.
Also passing bad behavior on children.
The last bit about being descended from heroes who fought for freedoms had me thinking "yea, I was, but not the ones you think, Stefan."
For context my Great Grandad was part of the union strikes when Thatcher closed the mines. I look up to him as a hero of the working class, even though he did not succeed. He fought for his class and his kind. I'm certain that he wasn't the first union member in my family either, and I can safely tell you he's not the last.
"The most recent Republican president, George W. Bush..." Damn that sounded good for some reason.
Bushy boy or an Oompa Loompa. The greatest question of our time
Technically it still should be true, these neocon lunatics now holding the party hostage aren't really Republicans anyway... and I'm from a country where the Democrats would count as right wing party...
Trump makes Bush lite look like Jesus
Ugly German Truths that’s because dems are center right.
It is ironic that the stupid, ignorant twat that so many hated now seems like a reasonable and balanced guy... the horror... the horror...
LOL he couldn't tell the difference between Arabs and the Ottoman Empire. Stefan Molyneux everybody.
Yup. The Arabs who fought AGAINST the Ottoman Empire in WW1. Stephan's arse must be fucking huge with all the facts he pulls from it.
@@Indoor_Carrot well not all arabs did, because again history aint that simple
@@cossaizy6309 They were more or less united under a banner in order to battle against the Romans. Of course they weren't all on that side, but it's like saying the Allies were fighting the Axis in WWII because there were still lots of axis/nazi sympathizers in the war.
These bits where these Alt-Righters become really unhinged and deranged in their rants on women are both fascinating and terrifying. It is the moment where their masks finally slip, all pretense of "intellectuality" or "rationality" gets pushed aside and their true nature is revealed.
wow that rant about "holding women accountable" for "choosing assholes" was... 100% fucking insane