Thing is, one can buy a shielded power cable from Belkan for just few more $$ than an unshielded power cable. This should raise questions about companies trying to sell power cables for audio gear at prices up to $25k (yes, twenty five thousand dollars.)
There must be more to it than simply shielding ( and of course you have quality differences in shielding as wel). I had the chance to compare powercables for my PrimaLuna tube amps and also for my digital sources ( which are very sensitive for clean power!). The fact is: better ( and more expensive) powercables simply sound better! After a long session I came out for Audioquest on my amp and Furutech on the CD transport and DAC. Not the other way around! So listening is always vital. Cost me a few K, but not 25. Now I am extremely happy with my set.
@@paulb.3227 I remember when a company marketed a specially treated rock as necessary for audiophile quality sound , which got positive reviews at the time , but are now forgotten, along with a Clock that was supposed to improve sound by conditioning wall electricity. I also remember when coloring the outside of a CD with a yellow highlighter was considered as a performance upgrade , with special pens rushed to market for coloring the outside of CD's. Now , nobody cares, because it was all an illusion of hearing . I do remember being in an audio salon and seeing the small piles of black rocks set around the store and being impressed at the many thousands of dollars required to buy that amount of minpingo rocks. The price was not an illusion .
I like Kimber cables though, because not only do they cancel RFI arriving and leaving the mains cable, but they cancel out RF that was already on the mains circuit. They are too expensive for me though, but back in the days when ebay still had lots of used bargains, I bought quite a few of their cables and still use them nearly twenty years later.
@@banginghats2 audes i love, my home is buld in 1982 and we did a makeover in 1994 ,i should say, we have expanded it, no noice at all , so i use the fabric cable who came in whit the marantz in the box ,high volume all the way up ,no noice at all ,lets say its more a lucky coincidence
Then why don’t manufacturers of high end audio equipment provide this cord? If I’m purchasing “high end” equipment, why does it come with a cheap cord?
Because high end amplifiers are already very expensive. Including a high end power cord with them would make them even more expensive and unaffordable. Which means less people would be buying them which would hurt that manufacturer's business. Thats why they only include "el cheapo" power cords. And if a customer wants to upgrade afterwards, that is up to them.
The supplied power cable is the best solution for your equipement in a normal environment. If you have a non-normal environment or some EMF problems you can sometimes find a solution in different cables but for most people there is no need to do so. The best thing to do is to get rid of the device that is creating the interference.
I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue the validity of time-tested electrical properties, and any contentions away from those should require you to show your work. There is no magic here, no exceptions to the rules. What a lot of people have an issue with is that constructing something properly doesn’t necessarily mean that you can charge thousands of dollars more for an improvement that costs pennies to implement. I have run a non-contact voltage tester over standard OEM power cables and the tester will detect voltage, but my Pangea cables do not, so Pangea has remedied that with a relatively modest increase in price (still too high, IMO). I’m much more worried about what radiates out of my power cable in the vicinity of smaller voltage signals than I am about anything getting into my power cables, which will be cleaned up by any piece of electronic equipment that it’s plugged into.
As someone who deals with EMF interference on a regular bases at work I know it can be a big problem. The difference in the home environment is there are not many devices or equipement which can cause a lot of problems and are used all the time. That being said it is still possible to have devices that will cause problems and with the introduction of equipement like solar systems, homebattery or carcharging stations at home you will get more interference/noise. Having solarpanels I'm able to measure it. So my 230VAC is messy. I don't do anything to clean it. Why? you ask. Well I listened and I couldn't hear it. I also opened up my amp and measured the input and outputs of the power supply. The outputs were perfectly clean. So good power supply and no reason to do anything. For the interference mentioned by Paul in my case that is so small it can be ignored. I was able to measure an old cd-player (20+ years) if I turned it on and moved it closer to the amp but only on the input. The output of the amp psu was not affected. But all newer devices didn't do anything. For all people who don't believe measurements and believe in magic I also tried different cables. I bought some, got some from friends and got some from the store to try out. I didn't hear a difference. My advice would be: Cable should be shielded for high frequency and the shield should be connected on 1 side like Paul said, also good build quality. No need to go expensive. I found some good powercables at €50,- for a set of 6.
Any conductor can act as an antenna picking up stray electromagnetic waves from many sources, microwave ovens, other radios including wifi. These waves can interact with each other in a constructive and destructive manner in the same way noise cancelling headphones work but in a random uncontrolled manner. Shielding around cables when grounded properly act as a Faraday cage capturing stray EM waves preventing them from interfering.
Where are you going to properly ground the shielding on a power cord? To the ground that runs beside the other 2 condictors and attaches to the device case and ground? That will make a great path for EMI.😮
Paul mentions grounding at the male end (away from the source). However, grounding at one end means the other end accumulating high frequencies like an antenna according to theory. Properly grounding at both ends is correct and will then act as a complete Faraday. The problem begins with homemade cable having a different potential at both ends because of keeping the shunts and solder at a high quality of being the same. Homemade has a hard time doing this. So, that becomes a source for a ground loop when the potential is different on the ends. A company like Stay On Line makes military and lab quality shielded power cables that don't have potential differences and don't produce a ground loop and don't act like antennas. Plus they are UL and priced well.
Pay Paul $6000 for this: Conclusions (updated) When using the P12 as one would think to do: using Zone D "high current" outlets, impedance is actually worse than mains AC and hence it reduces power output in our test amplifier. When testing using low current Zone A, this doesn't happen and we get the same power, distortion and noise. Bottom line is that at worst, PS Audio P12 objectively degrades the performance of some audio products if you use the Zone D outlet. If you use the other zones, it simply doesn't do anything useful than waste some power, take up space, and cost you a lot of money. Distortion, noise, dynamic and average power of all tested products remains the same as not using P12. This is what the data shows and after two weeks of waiting, nothing has been presented from PS Audio or anyone else for that matter, to indicate otherwise.
If you can hear the noice from the power input of an amplifier at the outputs of your amplifier. The solution is not to buy a fancy cable but to buy a decent amplifier.
Yeah, exactly. The only exception is with phono cables/turntables. Those can pick up 50/60Hz hum when cable routing is bad, but for any line level signal, it's not an issue.
If there is no RF noise at the wall outlet and only in the power cable why do we use power cables? Why not run the solid core power cable from the fuse box straight into the amp?
In the jumble of cables that are often behind a stereo, shielded power cables also help keep the noise of the AC out of nearby component and speaker interconnects. Also, is many systems the "fancy" cables often go between the power conditioner/regenerator and the components, in which case is not the "last few feet" at all.
Really? Where are you grounding your sheilding too? The ground in the electrical wiring? That attaches to the case of the device so attaching a shield will create a path for interference to follow through the device.
@@JonAnderhub That is ***not** how one drains the noise from the shield, instead ***only*** connect the wall-side of the shield ***not***the component side.
Also make sure the amp runs on green renewable energy and don't forget to untangle the power cables. Then simply do the sacrificial ritual every first off the month or whenever Jupiter is in retrograde, you can really hear the difference !
With limited knowledge but a scientific background, I was skeptical about power cables having an influence on sound. But I experimented with various home made cables and found to my surprise they can have a significant impact. My observations suggest that they act as a filter, a shield and a conduit. I found the shield works well on a digital source. I prefer unshielded on amps. I think that architecture makes an impact. Connector quality makes much smaller impact. I use twisted pair for power conduit. This would filter common noise. I use a ferrite bead on the safety earth but not on the hot/neutral. On the power conduit the inductor dampens dynamics, but added to the safety earth it improves in the way reduced noise improves sound. But I also found that wire gauge makes a difference. Same architecture, but much larger gauge sounded better. Again makes no sense as all this is plugged into a smaller gauge in the wall. So I don't try to understand it, I just use what works and enjoy it. And no, since I spent next to nothing for it I am not justifying my investment.
@@AT-wl9yq Agreed! I just get fed up with the deniers telling me I am trying to justify my investment by thinking I hear a difference. While that is possible, it's a stretch when you build your own cables with wire you found in a recycle bucket.
@@FOH3663 A little consideration of how the brain processes sound would be useful to most audiophiles, just like knowing the basic laws of electricity would also be handy, and stomp out a lot of audiophile nonsense.
The last few feet of power cable is absolutely vital. Without it, the rig will be challenged with significant voltage drop. That said, I've recently experienced systems better off with the aforementioned voltage drop.
@@FOH3663 is it 3 or 1 phase cable, where is the conductivity parameter? :D your formula all in all does nothing with voltage drop expect a very few cases
@@MightyPriest Yes, I know how to calculate E drop (I²R losses). My initial comment was a joke, pointing out the "importance" of the last few feet ... as without the last few feet, you're going to have too much voltage drop (ie., a 2m gap!).
When building my first amplifier I realised how much noise there is "in the air" and how the smallest of things made all the difference. I don't have an expensive power cable though, just a nice red instead of ordinary black. 😄
I can't believe you would run a red power cable! Even a complete idiot knows that a red power cord will color the sound by elevating the lower midrange. The preceding comment was made in jest using artificial AI instead of real AI.
It is a fact that a poor or weak contact point in an AC circuit will generate noise from minute arcing. This can easily happen with cheaply made AC wall outlets when asked to supply larger than average currents. So using better plugs and sockets should reduce if not completely eliminate that source of noise. It's also why I have a dedicated circuit for my audio set-up that is fused from the panel box instead of having a circuit breaker in line with it; breakers have several small point contacts within them. All that said, I made my own power cords using 8 gauge 3 conductor wire from the outlet to my conditioner and 10 gauge from there to my amps. Saved a great deal of money doing it myself. All other power cords were factory 12 gauge. (Of course good grounding is crucial as well.) I can put my preamp volume up full with the selector on phono (without anything playing) and put my ear up to the speaker ... dead silence. No buzz, no hum and no hiss.
This is a good point. Most premium after-market power cables that will run you anywhere from $90 to $9,000 will not be UL-listed. I think that's because most of those companies believe that they build their products to such an incredibly high standard that they are already far beyond that quality and reliability standards that UL would be testing their products for. Now, will every company build to that same level of quality just because they are more expensive? Likely not. Your mileage may vary.
Of course shielding makes a difference, but there is a looooong way from standard shielded cables to the high multi dollar ´water hoses´ with voodoo blocks and gold plated plugs (that by the way goes directly into cheap iron receptacles).
THANKS PAUL…🤗 for giving a reasonable SOUND answer…🙋♂️ I purchased a P S AUDIO Perfectwave AC-3 Cable a few years back…and I noticed an improvement right away and as broke in it got better…I never regret any purchase that improves my experience and also lasts for the indefinite period of time 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Can you explain/elaborate on what it means to "break in" a 6' audiophile power cord. I have a fairly substantial broadcast engineering/audio electronics background but I can't fathom what might be happening to the cord on day one vs day one hundred. Thanks in advance.
Fifty or sixty-cycle hum is so prevalent in our modern home environment that we hardly notice it. Have you ever noticed how quiet it is during a power outage?
When you say “Power cable” are you talking about the plug that comes attached to the audio components or a multi plug surge protector or an extension or what exactly?
Makes sense if you consider shielded power cable helps contain the noise within the cable. Basic principle of balanced audio cabling is same. Shield should connect at only one end. Typically at the destination is best practice.
Audio Science Review and Audioholics tested and compared various high end power cords to a cheap generic and found they made no measurable ( with an expensive Audio Precision analyzer ) or audible difference on the performance of various audio components . Shielding can help if your components or interconnects are susceptible to 60 HZ interference emanating from your power cable.
@@Mark-lq3sb No I just trust the science , if something is claimed to make an improvement it should be measurable or at least pass a blind listening test. You forgot to mention Gene DellaSala at Audioholics who usually comes to the same conclusion as Amir when something is the equivalent of snake oil.
@@Mark-lq3sbaside from being an electrical engineer Amir was also paid as a listening consultant due to his well above average listening ability and skills . So he does not just measure he listens for differences. I should also add that there are some well known manufactures that send him their products to test and listen to.
The thing is no one ever thought or claimed there would be any measurable difference on the AP (same equipment we use). But that's like saying a dynamometer shows no difference in measured performance when the car's suspensions are radically different. That expensive AP is limited in its measurements.
I'm not going down the rabbit hole with expensive power cables.. But I have noticed a difference on some of my equipment, using cheap, heavy gauge, shielded power cables between my components and Furman power conditioner. I'm also less sold on fancy power cords plugged straight into the wall, because then it really is just the last few feet. I but I think of you're using a conditioner of some kind to actually clean up the power, then it makes sense to try and keep it clean.
Power cable replacement goes back to the pre-digital era when everything was analog. When people professed a preference for a fancy low noise cable what was causing the intereference? The only thing I can think of is: rectifiers, bad designed oscillating DC voltage regulators (unusual), FM pilot tone or tape bias oscillator during recording (only)?
I think the recent advancements in brain science will answer these questions, if the simplest and most logical conclusion will do. back when science was more limited, a double blind test was used to separate illusion from reality , but such proof by testing is never cited by any manufacturer of fancy wires.
Audio engineers will tell you Paul's reason is easily disproven. If there were a difference , there would be an answer. Finding one when there isn't, is a tad harder.
I went through this personal discovery/experimentation process about 8 years ago. I started off with a rack of Parasound Z series gear and methodically started replacing ALL the cables from the stock ones that came with gear as well as the "average" grade interconnects I was using. The first cables I replaced were the power cables, I followed a well-known internet recipe (from Chris VenHaus) and built new power cables for each component. That absolutely lowered the background noise coming from my speakers when they were at full volume with nothing playing. It was a revelation. The second thing I did was replace all my interconnects with upper-mid-end to high-end RCA cables. This also made a difference, but it was not as pronounced. The final step was to add a PS Audio Power Regenerator which filtered all the noise and added power "capacity" for credenzos etc... Again, it made a demonstrable difference in reducing the noise to "black" when there was nothing playing but it also gave the music more punch. Not gong to argue, I know what I experienced and I can reproduce it.
It is an undeniable fact of physics that any length of wire is an antenna that will pick up all manner of spurious crud. And the power cord will happily deliver this spurious crud directly inside the chassis of your beautiful amp. It is also an undeniable fact that the human ear is to musical sounds as the human palette is to good food and wine. So doing everything possible to keep your wine glass and flatware clean and fresh is a good idea. And putting a grounded shield around the six foot conductors of your power cord and signal wires is also good idea. However, A well designed analog power supply ought to eliminate 99.99% of any problems coming from yer wall outlet, the other noisy devices in your house (computers, fridge, printer, dimmers, LED lights, etc) and/or the power company. Finally, do you want to terrify the audiophile in your household? Just remind them that all stereo component power supplies have a bridge rectifier to convert AC to DC. It's like opening and slamming a door shut 120 times a second. The EMF spikes that result are horrendous (and the BR is even closer to your beautiful analog circuitry than your suspiciously cheap power cord). But thank God for snubber, bypass and reservoir capacitors. I now leave you in peace....
Ok, but what about the 1000 miles of cable run between your house and the power plant? How is the extra 1 meter of cable going to magically fix whatever problem you seem to think you are having? Paul did not even answer the question.
@@Wordsalad69420 Copy that. As I mentioned, well designed internal power supplies and the amplifier circuitry itself are perfectly capable of filtering almost anything but a lightning strike. in that case, a new house might be required. There are some great books out there on audio amp design. Randy Slone (sp?) is one of my favorite technical authors. He addresses this subject in detail and he's an easy read (as long as you read each paragraph twice)l. Bob Cordell (sp?) is another awesome author/engineer, although you need to be very serious to get through his material, it is detailed, in-depth and absolutely top notch.
@@Wordsalad69420 An excellent question that I'm going to test before answering. I'm in the process of building a very unique musical instrument amplifier from scratch with a power amp section based on a Randy Slone design. It's very "high end" and when I get some time, I'm gonna play with the power cord, shielded vs unshielded. We'll see how it goes, but don't hold your breath, I won't be finished with the amp until January some time.....
The term “deniers” is a bit nasty - calling back to Holocaust deniers. There are skeptics, most of whom (myself included) are skeptical at companies charging thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars on cables claiming to have magical effects on system performance. Will a heavier-gauge, properly insulated and shielded cable help reduce noise? Of course. Does that cable need to cost a couple thousand dollars? Absolutely not. Power supplies have filtering on their input so I’m not sure how much improvement a special power cable will provide - certainly not enough to justify the astronomical prices being asked by many manufacturers. You could just as easily as brand “believers” to be like Scientologists, having spent so much money they must believe it does make a difference or be forced to admit they wasted thousands of dollars on snake oil.
Right? I feel like I am taking crazy pills. Half the video was a rant. The other half was about the current moving back and forth. And that was about it. No substance. No scientific explanation.
My amplifiers are Nelson Pass designed home built F5 Turbo V3 class A that have a bandwidth that extends beyond 100 KHz. The amplifier output/loudspeaker cables are quite long and are shielded with self adhesive aluminium foil tape which is connected to the incoming copper water pipe for a ground because the system was working as an oscillator at an ultrasonic frequency. Lack of audio dynamics, very hot amplifiers and a faint swishing sound gave the clue that something was amiss. There is plenty of noise on an AC power line but I've never seen any of that noise on the output of a well filtered DC power supply, isn't that partly the reason huge (and hopefully smaller non polar) capacitors are used?
@ Douglas Blake. The shield around the 'speaker cables is grounded, not the (low side of) cables themselves. The equipment is not inherently unstable, as stated, the class A amplifier has a very wide bandwidth but also has a low gain of just 16 dBs. That the speaker cables are long doesn't help but they're long because the amplifier is water cooled and has two 5 K RPM (noisy) fans and is in the cellar below my listening room. The RIAA input stage is also a Pass design, as is the single transistor gain stage between the output of the RIAA stage and the F5 input. The system did not oscillate when 'speaker cables were not connected. If you've ever put a finger on the input of a wide bandwidth power amplifier and heard a hiss (rather than a main's frequency buzz) you will know what I'm typing about.
So lets’ see, you have dropped $11,300 on a single-ended triode mono-block amplifier that puts out almost 6 watts with a mere 3% THD. You trust that the engineers that designed it have picked a topology and specified the appropriate components (Vintage NOS tubes, Mundorf silver/gold/oil capacitors, Vishay resistors, and pure silver wiring etc.) to ensure it provides crystal clear transparently that is always agile and dynamic while being rich and fully saturated, offering a tonally and harmonically dense acoustic environment with a huge soundstage and a highly natural tonal and textural delivery that is extremely quick, and controlled - yet neutral, balanced, very musical, and powerful with blackness and control in the bass that allows simply the right transmission of music free from artifacts or manipulation in which the instruments are contained in their own space resulting in a magical musical harmony between speaker and amplifier electronics that assures considerably better focus, instrumental separation, cleaner & sweeter treble and better upper-midrange resolution with an impressive layering of dynamics, as well as nice drive and transient pop, and a strong degree of transparency that is grain-free and offers effortless resolution and reflexes, making it a snap to follow interleaved melodic and rhythmic lines with a sound that is open and detailed with exquisite harmonic nuance and shading with dynamics that are very agile (again!), realistically tracking changes in the music yet with a low end that is elegantly controlled but not over-torqued but instead is luscious, velvety, silken, gorgeous for a presentation that never, ever sounds electro mechanical, instead is always wholly natural with a dynamic range that is prodigious in delivering the sonic goods with naturalness, beauty, and ease, while also throwing a remarkably deep and wide soundstage (again!) brightly every time with a golden sense of bloom, inviting detail, and unwavering musicality that produces lifelike illumination in the mids and treble, exquisite resolution of fine detail, and outstanding transparency to the tintinnabulation that so musically wells from the jingling and the tinkling of the bells, bells, bells, bells (oops I diverge). The engineers that designed the amplifier are, however, completely incapable of specifying a power cord that fully (or even partially perhaps) meets the needs of such an amplifier. Thank the Lord above that there are companies at the ready to make up for such ineptitude - that is if you are willing to pay the price.
Trying to simplify the contention that the difference between well working cables and others that are less so misses the point of the argument. I don’t think you’ll get an argument from most people that cables should have a certain level of quality that keep interference to a minimum - the argument is that it shouldn’t cost thousands of dollars more to include decent shielding or quality parts. And if you want to change minds that are changeable, make your argument and then back it up with quantifiable (pertinent) measurements, not just marketing blather. Also, overhyping the benefits of an exorbitantly priced cable instead of buying a component that either filters out or produces less noise and interference of its own is a disservice to us all.
That so far is the only rational explanation.... I have a solid background in electronics and do have a good understanding of proper shielding. I will accept this answer.
It is not, noise comes from everywhere. He need to prove that noise that comes from power cables is big enough and is bigger then other sources of noise and none of this was done. It is like: my car tires are only 99% round this will affect the speed of the car and I should fix this. It definitely affects the speed of the car but not as much as other things that you have in the car.
@@amotriuc I believe you misunderstand how a proper ground shield in this instance can isolate noise. He states clearly that this only will prevent electromagnetic interference from adjacent equipment. When you have a very resolving system with sensitive electronics you must try and eliminate variables to improve noise floor. It may make no difference to your setup but may improve noise floor to other setups.
@@soniclab-cncIt will make no difference to properly designed equiptment. But fair enough I guess, those audiophile types sometimes are into antiquated/primitive amplifier and power supply topologies with inherently low PSRR. They might actually profit from anything that helps their stuff existing in the modern world, while simpler main stream devices just are not as susceptible. Has nothing to do with the resolving capabilities of the system though.
I have never had the opportunity to listen to expensive power cables so I can’t comment on thier validity. The most expensive power cables I have seen were $15,000.00 for a 2 meter length. What I do wonder is what the manufacturing cost is for such a cable. What could possibly make 2 meters of cable and two AC connectors worth that much? I could purchase BHK 600 monoblocks for $36,000.00 then another $30,000.00 for two power cords for them. Just doesn’t make sense when considering the hardware content.
wow are BHK monos really that spendy!if so you really make an awsome point to someone who will never have to make that decision.and dont even play the lottery!
@Douglas Blake'People are willing to pay it' is the obvious answer, but it is still a valid question. How could the best sales person convince anyone to part with that much money for such a simple device? I want to hear the sales pitch that sold them on the idea.
I like to purchase higher-quality aftermarket power cables for my audio, video and PC equipment. However, I don't do it with the idea of it improving their performance at all. I do it because I like heavy-duty, thicker cables that are made with higher quality materials that (at least in theory) will last longer and hold up better over the long term because they are sturdier. Also, they are just simply a lot more fun to have in your system than the standard ones that come with your equipment by default. Now, you don't have to take out a second mortgage to get good quality, well-made, after-market replacement power cables. You can get them for anywhere from about $40 to $90 so no, you don't have to go absolutley crazy and drop $8,000 on one of those at all. Not necessary or required.
Same here. I stick with Worlds Best Cables. Not crazy priced and built to a high standard!! Can I hear a difference? I’m not sure. But they are constructed better than cheaper cables. Plus a 10 year warranty is always nice.
Measure it with an oscilloscope with one end plugged in your wall power outlet regardless of the length of the cable or build quality, do the comparison with the one you're willing to replace, it should show you which one is better. Have a listening test, this is also a way to tell you which is better, if not the most important of them all. Try to install a ferrite choke specific to 50/60 Hz range on your cable. It will make a difference. Save yourself from the trouble. Always trust your ears most important thing ever. I'm not going to get into the discussion of power/line conditioners or filters and generators/rebuilders or seperate electricity into your house through a separate socket etc... otherwise we will be here for days writing a comment.
The cables and a conditioner act synergistically. Folks can argue a thousands paths of disbelief but Paul is right these are often people who have NOT actually evaluated them.
How to ground the noise from a noisy motor in turntable that Is inducting into moving coil phono cartridge as it approaches the center of the vinyl record? Should I get a moving magnet cartridge that picks up less noise from the motor or is it possible to magnetically shield the motor? Yes, I have a cheap turntable.
My solution was to get a belt drive table that didn't have a motor under the cartridge path with my next upgrade, eliminating the concern forever. But if it is possible to put a metal shield around the motor, that would work . It's the same theory behind why people wear Aluminum foil hats, to block out unwanted signals. Although the former is more practical than the latter, both use the same science.
Changing cable capacitance through design can be used as a low pass filter to reduce the amount of EMI going to equipment as well as facilitating moving EMI generated in equipment to ground. I think there are serval reasons why equipment manufacturers don't include $1000+ or even $100+ power cables. First, some people don't hear a difference. Second, not having an expensive power cord allows the manufacturer to set a lower retail price. Finally, not everyone likes the same power cord. I've found that some expensive power cords are too effective at filtering out high frequencies and cause equipment to sound dull.
In the past I tried a power cable (shielded). Also thinking about al the wires right up to the socket, that a relative small power cable could possibly not make a big difference. The guy from the store had me buy a Siltech power cable, and told me that if I didn''t hear any positive difference I could just return the cable and get the money back. I just could not believe the difference! I heard it... (seller new I would i guess) I've let other people listen and they ALL heard the difference. This first cable was on my CD-player back then. Later on I tried replacing cables at the amps, but I must say that didn't't make any difference to me. I guess the CD-player was putting out noise back into the rest of the system so it was more noticeable when using a better power cable there.
You are SO on point here. Most people just repeat what they hear, and they can't be wrong because of either logic or science. I stopped with disccussing and pointed my horizon towards people who actually test the stuff. It's a waste of time with some folks haha, so just let them hear the difference right away if you can or invite them.
It’s how some people view logic in their personal lives. They evaluate for themselves They ask themselves that. What is this service going to do for me personally. What is this product going to do for me personally. Everyone wants to be a salesperson.😀 telling you what you need 😀 that is what Communism is, that is what a Dictator is. People that need someone else to control their life. 😀 Audiophile is an Ideology. What the hell do you think it was…😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Paul...please! You speak to the power link from the wall to the device. The last 3-6 feet typically. What have you to say about benefits of "isolated ground wiring"? Specifically, how the house is wired from distro box to wall outlet. I suggest fancy terminal power cables attempt to treat a symptom, not the cause.
Theres something very wrong here. Paul goes on about how important it is to have screened mains cable and how it is the most important thing you have to do to stop interference getting to your equipment. How come a very high end audio company dont believe in shielded mains cables. That company is from the UK and is called Naim. Yes they also sell snake oil $600 dollar mains cables. Why do they say a shielded cable will degrade the sound. Something not right here guys.
Paul is using words like "option" and "believe" and then tries to explain something no engineer with scientific background would do it like that. Where are the plain facts, like measurements or blind tests?
Hey Paul. I'm an audiophile (250k plus system) but I'm also a general contractor so you can imagine my thoughts on this, but honestly, you have me rethinking everything. I have a designated 20 AMP line to my system and use mostly manufacturers cables. I'm now off to audition power cords. Palm slap to forehead. Thanks ... I think.
The electromagnetic noise outside the wall amongst all your gear is far higher than the 15 amp shielded power run from the circuit breaker to the wall outlet. It's a fact for most residences. The cables -power and interconnects- that hang off the back of your various components can either shun that interference or those cables can act like an antenna and thus induce noise into your system. This is what you face, more or less.
Every notice how none of these cables are UL passed. Good luck with your insurance if you have a fire. It's a power cable, if it measures the same it can't change the way you eguipment sounds. I use induction for cooking, if I put an expensive extension between the wall and the cooker will my food be better? No.
A better question would’ve been: Paul if sticking few feet of some wire could improve the sound, why don’t you put that inside of the amp (or any other device). The answer is obvious.
LOL, in one of Paul's video he was in the manufacturing area standing next to a hookup wire rack. I noted most of the reels said "Consolidated Wire and Cable". That stuff is sold in most electronics and electrical supply houses. Pennies a foot. Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with this wire, it's good quality. But we have to ask why PS Audio would use community hook up wire and at the same time go on and on about the need for ultra expensive power cords. Same goes for the Molex or Tyco connectors I have seen inside PS audio products. Low cost plastic connectors. Now they are good connectors and will do no harm but again these are the same quality you find in a 65in $799 flat screen TV. We hear the AC power outlet is so important but then commodity Molex connectors are just fine inside the BHK and Power Plant products?
3:00 did Paul answer the question? the questioner asked for some studied material science evidence or proof on what happens in the last meter of a cable. then paul settled to write a novel. i will further investigate this matter. i know there is some magic to cables but now im ready to the science behind it. good shield less noise...come on we all know that .
RF exposure of cables can be experienced even behind your wall where your power socket receives AC electricity from. 50/60 Hz of RF energy can penetrate almost any standard wall thickness effortlessly. Where do you start from? Shielding of cables is very important, but what happens if the last bit of cable between the wall socket and your equipment has got excellent shielding while everything else behind the wall socket is exposed to RF energy? Will the RF interference travel along and through the cable all the way to the device you're powering? Factually it can and will. Best way to beat it? Use a 50/60 Hz AC power filter between the wall socket and your device and then, only then you will benefit from a well shielded cable. Also install a ferrite choke on the cable. Just don't go buying something more expensive, no more than $50 to $100.
@Douglas Blake the recording is very important of course. There's good and bad recordings. However there's so many variables in between that can make or break. I got you.
Paul is 100% right, I tested my system both with a audiophile mains cable and without, and it sounded better with a mains cable fitted. 100% of listeners could tell the difference in with or without a mains cable in a double blind test, so it must be true. OK, Joke off; I don’t have a special mains cable for the following reasons. 1. I have a specially wound transformer which is wound in such a way as to reject noise, and not require any interwinding screen, reducing the interwinding capacitance which can carry HF noise. 2. I have a mains filter fitted. 3. I have a really good ground connection in the house. 4. The amplifiers I use are all very high quality with regard to Engineering build. 5. Finally, I don’t believe in Fairy’s, Lifting speaker wire off the floor, or sonic voodoo which exists simply to prop up the failing industry which is high-end audiofool. (PS Items 1 is true, I do have a one-off transformer in my Class-A amp) Quote PMG "People with zero experience still express an opinion, which, as such, isn't valid", a denier if you will. Case in point, Lets jump out a plane Paul, it will feel great. Now I have no experience in jumping out of a plane per-se, but I have enough knowledge and experience to know its a dumb idea. A HiFI mains cable is a dumb idea. If it made a difference, you need to dump your setup because it’s junk.
If a power cord made any difference to the sound of an audio system it would show up in measurements. Show me the measurements and I'll believe it. I don't understand why you muddy your otherwise decent product line with snake oil. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to considering PS Audio purchases.
It's not the last few feet, it's the middle few feet. Electricity flows in circuits. It starts and ends at the power plant with your hifi component in the middle. Commenters seem to fall into two camps. 1. Those who can't see how a quality power cable can make a difference so never try one and then claim that they make no difference. 2. Those who try and hear a difference. I didn't think that power cables would make a difference but too many people with no skin in the game said they did. So I tried one and was shocked at the level of difference.
I am so tired of unscientific claptrap in the audiophile world. What's even more galling is to be called an "air-quotes" denier simply because the science behind this nonsense isn't there. In most fields people say follow the science - when it comes to audiophile lore it's apparently better to ignore the science and logic. I'm also frustrated by the pompous "people who have no experience" jibe - we've all got ears, Paul, we've all got minds that work, and most everybody who follows you on UA-cam will have experience of a highly resolving system, so please don't keep putting down people who have (like me) years of experience in installations of high end equipment and who can say, categorically, that there is no science or logic or reason in spending a fortune on expensive power cables for the last few feet of power.
@@guinnster1 The truth is just the truth with facts backing up the truth. Otherwise it's a theory of a possible audio improvement concept or a sales practice, purely.
"...we've all got minds that work..." You sure about that buddy? If you're willing to discard something just because it goes against your beliefs, then i dont think your own quote apllies to you. Its sad how triggered these deniers get every time they hear that cables matter. You are free to think anything you want, but dont get triggered when someone doesnt share your opinion and points out that people like you are not willing to listen. You just proved his point.
@@wisehippo3072 but it’s not a belief though is it? If one party always refuses to measure anything to support their claims and it doesn’t make sense within current established scientific consensus, what ever they are paddling probably has some issues with it. Since if this was the case you know, we could have measured it all the way throughout the chain. Our ears are very very poor measurement devices, we can make way way better devices out of hardware to measure essentially everything about the audio band. (Audio band is damn low frequency all things considered and frankly almost trivial te measure with any half competent setup.
Once the power is clean you should keep it clean (after your power filter), that's why the last few feet matter. Shielding is everything here, don't bother with OFC or silver conductors or PTFE dielectrics on power cables, it isn't worth the money. If you have a $100,000 system and want to muck about, why not, get a $1000 power cable, but I wouldn't waste money if you have a more reasonably priced system.
ok, so cheap standard electrician wires inside the wall is shielded by the wall paper and chip board so you need to buy a 1K$ powercord the last few feet to the amp... yeah, of course that make total sense.
Geeeez, I was starting to give some sort of credit to some of your posts, but you’ve just blown that. Firstly, as someone who’s worked with big sound systems and well gen’d up on what works and what doesn’t and who’s primary job is in RF engineering, I can categorically state that no last few feet of power cable is going to make the slightest difference. If it does, you have a very bad RFI problem and probably should have bought equipment from a manufacturer who incorporates decent supply filtering within their products. If you’re relying on a power lead to sort basic RFI problems then your equipment ain’t no good!
Obviously what our eyes can see matters. Our perception of audio includes some degree of visual deception of our brain. There is far more impact on our audio perception from the visuals on cables than from actual technical improvements. It’s like a good quality perfume can make us think a woman is more beautiful.
There are 3 things going on with audiophile power cables. 1) They reduce impedance, however they need to be connected into a low impendence mains block or from the wall. 2) They reduce RFI that's present on the AC mains. 3) The quality of the plugs and IEC connections effects performance, also the materials used such as gold or rhodium plating. Here is the thing, not all audiophile power cables are the same, I use ones made from 12TC Kimber Kable with Watt Gate IEC's and these are very effective, however I also own some entry level Audio Quest cables and the Kimber Kable based ones easily out perform the entry level AQ ones. The improvement in audio from Kimber Kable power cables can easily be demo 'ed if standing in the room and switching with a typical $5 IEC cord. The people in these comments saying power cables can't make an improvement are incorrect and on the wrong side of history.
Sorry, you are just wrong, from a radio engineer. Any minuet impedance manifests it self as minor voltage drop. Your mains power voltage is up and down 10% every day!. Good equipment does not care. Shielding does not reduce existing RFI, it keeps it in as well as stopping collection of any more. Your whole house is putting RFI into the cables in the walls. Who cares about the power cord. Power cord plugs are swipe connection. Material is irrelevant at these low currents. And Paul is wrong as AC neutral is tied top ground earth stake at the fuse box. My system runs of a no break UPS - mains independent.
It’s easier to clean the last few feet of noise by stop/lessening the noise at the wall socket. Tripp-lite Isobar is a plug-in unit that can help ground without a cheap cable to deteriorate or degrade the signal. Plus provide lightning protection. Also a good idea to use plug-in filtering devices to clean the signal. I know PS Audio sells a couple.
When listening, that background noise one is hearing is not in ones head. That's your cables crying out... give me some fucking protection. Of course, if one wishes to be in denial, a little disparaging comment here or there seems to give one some sort of gratification.
Well let's see Paul, perhaps the reason the non believers don't believe and aren't easily swayed is because OBJECTIVE evidence shows power cables make no difference and it's only ever SUBJECTIVE evidence that says it does. Physics vs opinion. We know which one is more reliable.
Neither physics or opinions are static, new theories and methods arise in physics to better measure and explain phenomena. Uncertainty is a significant part of the natural world.
Audiophilia at its finest. All I would say is this: don't take "technical advice" from someone who's trying to sell you something. No matter how "nice" they might seem, they have an agenda. TLDR, no, power cords will not make your hifi sound better. Period.
Wow, what a non-answer. The 2 reasons to buy an expensive cable are because it looks cool and because it will last forever. All that mumbo jumbo about the current moving back and forth is not really an explanation. Why did he even bother to make this video?
Thing is, one can buy a shielded power cable from Belkan for just few more $$ than an unshielded power cable. This should raise questions about companies trying to sell power cables for audio gear at prices up to $25k (yes, twenty five thousand dollars.)
There must be more to it than simply shielding ( and of course you have quality differences in shielding as wel).
I had the chance to compare powercables for my PrimaLuna tube amps and also for my digital sources ( which are very sensitive for clean power!).
The fact is: better ( and more expensive) powercables simply sound better! After a long session I came out for Audioquest on my amp and Furutech on the CD transport and DAC.
Not the other way around! So listening is always vital. Cost me a few K, but not 25. Now I am extremely happy with my set.
@@paulb.3227 I remember when a company marketed a specially treated rock as necessary for audiophile quality sound , which got positive reviews at the time , but are now forgotten, along with a Clock that was supposed to improve sound by conditioning wall electricity. I also remember when coloring the outside of a CD with a yellow highlighter was considered as a performance upgrade , with special pens rushed to market for coloring the outside of CD's.
Now , nobody cares, because it was all an illusion of hearing . I do remember being in an audio salon and seeing the small piles of black rocks set around the store and being impressed at the many thousands of dollars required to buy that amount of minpingo rocks. The price was not an illusion .
I like Kimber cables though, because not only do they cancel RFI arriving and leaving the mains cable, but they cancel out RF that was already on the mains circuit. They are too expensive for me though, but back in the days when ebay still had lots of used bargains, I bought quite a few of their cables and still use them nearly twenty years later.
@@banginghats2 audes i love, my home is buld in 1982 and we did a makeover in 1994 ,i should say, we have expanded it, no noice at all , so i use the fabric cable who came in whit the marantz in the box ,high volume all the way up ,no noice at all ,lets say its more a lucky coincidence
Then why don’t manufacturers of high end audio equipment provide this cord?
If I’m purchasing “high end” equipment, why does it come with a cheap cord?
Because high end amplifiers are already very expensive. Including a high end power cord with them would make them even more expensive and unaffordable. Which means less people would be buying them which would hurt that manufacturer's business. Thats why they only include "el cheapo" power cords. And if a customer wants to upgrade afterwards, that is up to them.
@@wisehippo3072 no, the answer is beacuse the manufacturers know expensive power cables don't matter...
Because the recommended cord that goes with the amplifier is the same price as the amplifier. 🤣😂
It’s your responsibility to buy a better power cord. The manufacturers just include a cord that will make the piece work.
The supplied power cable is the best solution for your equipement in a normal environment. If you have a non-normal environment or some EMF problems you can sometimes find a solution in different cables but for most people there is no need to do so. The best thing to do is to get rid of the device that is creating the interference.
The last few feet matter because they are the only ones audio companies can make money with.
I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue the validity of time-tested electrical properties, and any contentions away from those should require you to show your work. There is no magic here, no exceptions to the rules. What a lot of people have an issue with is that constructing something properly doesn’t necessarily mean that you can charge thousands of dollars more for an improvement that costs pennies to implement. I have run a non-contact voltage tester over standard OEM power cables and the tester will detect voltage, but my Pangea cables do not, so Pangea has remedied that with a relatively modest increase in price (still too high, IMO). I’m much more worried about what radiates out of my power cable in the vicinity of smaller voltage signals than I am about anything getting into my power cables, which will be cleaned up by any piece of electronic equipment that it’s plugged into.
As someone who deals with EMF interference on a regular bases at work I know it can be a big problem. The difference in the home environment is there are not many devices or equipement which can cause a lot of problems and are used all the time. That being said it is still possible to have devices that will cause problems and with the introduction of equipement like solar systems, homebattery or carcharging stations at home you will get more interference/noise.
Having solarpanels I'm able to measure it. So my 230VAC is messy. I don't do anything to clean it. Why? you ask. Well I listened and I couldn't hear it. I also opened up my amp and measured the input and outputs of the power supply. The outputs were perfectly clean. So good power supply and no reason to do anything.
For the interference mentioned by Paul in my case that is so small it can be ignored. I was able to measure an old cd-player (20+ years) if I turned it on and moved it closer to the amp but only on the input. The output of the amp psu was not affected. But all newer devices didn't do anything.
For all people who don't believe measurements and believe in magic I also tried different cables. I bought some, got some from friends and got some from the store to try out. I didn't hear a difference. My advice would be: Cable should be shielded for high frequency and the shield should be connected on 1 side like Paul said, also good build quality. No need to go expensive. I found some good powercables at €50,- for a set of 6.
Any conductor can act as an antenna picking up stray electromagnetic waves from many sources, microwave ovens, other radios including wifi. These waves can interact with each other in a constructive and destructive manner in the same way noise cancelling headphones work but in a random uncontrolled manner. Shielding around cables when grounded properly act as a Faraday cage capturing stray EM waves preventing them from interfering.
Your point about wave interference is excellent! Just a minor correction though: Faraday cages don't capture, they block.
Where are you going to properly ground the shielding on a power cord?
To the ground that runs beside the other 2 condictors and attaches to the device case and ground?
That will make a great path for EMI.😮
@@JonAnderhub No. Drain to the wall, not to the component.
Paul mentions grounding at the male end (away from the source). However, grounding at one end means the other end accumulating high frequencies like an antenna according to theory. Properly grounding at both ends is correct and will then act as a complete Faraday. The problem begins with homemade cable having a different potential at both ends because of keeping the shunts and solder at a high quality of being the same. Homemade has a hard time doing this. So, that becomes a source for a ground loop when the potential is different on the ends. A company like Stay On Line makes military and lab quality shielded power cables that don't have potential differences and don't produce a ground loop and don't act like antennas. Plus they are UL and priced well.
G’day from DownUnder Paul! Thanks for taking time to answer my question with humor 😁👋
Pay Paul $6000 for this:
Conclusions (updated)
When using the P12 as one would think to do: using Zone D "high current" outlets, impedance is actually worse than mains AC and hence it reduces power output in our test amplifier. When testing using low current Zone A, this doesn't happen and we get the same power, distortion and noise.
Bottom line is that at worst, PS Audio P12 objectively degrades the performance of some audio products if you use the Zone D outlet. If you use the other zones, it simply doesn't do anything useful than waste some power, take up space, and cost you a lot of money. Distortion, noise, dynamic and average power of all tested products remains the same as not using P12. This is what the data shows and after two weeks of waiting, nothing has been presented from PS Audio or anyone else for that matter, to indicate otherwise.
O Paul, you really know so much, that's why I enjoy always your presentations. Therefore I thank you very, very much. 🙏 Keep on going with it. 😊
If you can hear the noice from the power input of an amplifier at the outputs of your amplifier. The solution is not to buy a fancy cable but to buy a decent amplifier.
@@AdTrompet well you said that fast true and simple you have to excuse my grandfather Paul he has Alzheimer's.
The problem is, an amp with a built-in power regenerator does not exist, as far as I know
Yeah, exactly.
The only exception is with phono cables/turntables.
Those can pick up 50/60Hz hum when cable routing is bad, but for any line level signal, it's not an issue.
@@5starmaniac sure does, battery powered devices are AC noise free (provided there's no DC to AC conversion).
If there is no RF noise at the wall outlet and only in the power cable why do we use power cables? Why not run the solid core power cable from the fuse box straight into the amp?
... you don't?
In the jumble of cables that are often behind a stereo, shielded power cables also help keep the noise of the AC out of nearby component and speaker interconnects. Also, is many systems the "fancy" cables often go between the power conditioner/regenerator and the components, in which case is not the "last few feet" at all.
Really?
Where are you grounding your sheilding too?
The ground in the electrical wiring?
That attaches to the case of the device so attaching a shield will create a path for interference to follow through the device.
@@JonAnderhub That is ***not** how one drains the noise from the shield, instead ***only*** connect the wall-side of the shield ***not***the component side.
Also make sure the amp runs on green renewable energy and don't forget to untangle the power cables. Then simply do the sacrificial ritual every first off the month or whenever Jupiter is in retrograde, you can really hear the difference !
With limited knowledge but a scientific background, I was skeptical about power cables having an influence on sound. But I experimented with various home made cables and found to my surprise they can have a significant impact.
My observations suggest that they act as a filter, a shield and a conduit.
I found the shield works well on a digital source. I prefer unshielded on amps. I think that architecture makes an impact. Connector quality makes much smaller impact.
I use twisted pair for power conduit. This would filter common noise. I use a ferrite bead on the safety earth but not on the hot/neutral. On the power conduit the inductor dampens dynamics, but added to the safety earth it improves in the way reduced noise improves sound. But I also found that wire gauge makes a difference. Same architecture, but much larger gauge sounded better. Again makes no sense as all this is plugged into a smaller gauge in the wall. So I don't try to understand it, I just use what works and enjoy it. And no, since I spent next to nothing for it I am not justifying my investment.
You don't have to justify your investment. Its your business, and no one else's.
@@AT-wl9yq Agreed! I just get fed up with the deniers telling me I am trying to justify my investment by thinking I hear a difference. While that is possible, it's a stretch when you build your own cables with wire you found in a recycle bucket.
Typically it's both, ... they experience a difference AND they're attempting to justify their gear choices.
@@FOH3663 A little consideration of how the brain processes sound would be useful to most audiophiles, just like knowing the basic laws of electricity would also be handy, and stomp out a lot of audiophile nonsense.
@@AT-wl9yq He doesn't have to justify it, but if he's claiming something, he better have proof to back it up.
The last few feet of power cable is absolutely vital. Without it, the rig will be challenged with significant voltage drop.
That said, I've recently experienced systems better off with the aforementioned voltage drop.
Do you know how to calculate voltage drop at all?
@@MightyPriest
Voltage drop = I²R losses
That said original comment was tongue in cheek.
@@FOH3663 is it 3 or 1 phase cable, where is the conductivity parameter? :D your formula all in all does nothing with voltage drop expect a very few cases
@@MightyPriest
Yes, I know how to calculate E drop (I²R losses).
My initial comment was a joke, pointing out the "importance" of the last few feet ... as without the last few feet, you're going to have too much voltage drop (ie., a 2m gap!).
@@FOH3663 i missed the joke -.-
When building my first amplifier I realised how much noise there is "in the air" and how the smallest of things made all the difference. I don't have an expensive power cable though, just a nice red instead of ordinary black. 😄
I can't believe you would run a red power cable! Even a complete idiot knows that a red power cord will color the sound by elevating the lower midrange.
The preceding comment was made in jest using artificial AI instead of real AI.
It must improve bass control, no doubt. Because red is faster! 😂
@@ropeburn6684 Good thinking, I should add white racing stripes to it! 👍😂
It is a fact that a poor or weak contact point in an AC circuit will generate noise from minute arcing. This can easily happen with cheaply made AC wall outlets when asked to supply larger than average currents. So using better plugs and sockets should reduce if not completely eliminate that source of noise. It's also why I have a dedicated circuit for my audio set-up that is fused from the panel box instead of having a circuit breaker in line with it; breakers have several small point contacts within them. All that said, I made my own power cords using 8 gauge 3 conductor wire from the outlet to my conditioner and 10 gauge from there to my amps. Saved a great deal of money doing it myself. All other power cords were factory 12 gauge. (Of course good grounding is crucial as well.) I can put my preamp volume up full with the selector on phono (without anything playing) and put my ear up to the speaker ... dead silence. No buzz, no hum and no hiss.
Nothing wrong with breakers ... but I certainly respect your fuse game!
Why would I install a power cable that is NOT UL rated? Hey Paul is your cable fire rated?
It's shielded with voodoo.
This is a good point. Most premium after-market power cables that will run you anywhere from $90 to $9,000 will not be UL-listed. I think that's because most of those companies believe that they build their products to such an incredibly high standard that they are already far beyond that quality and reliability standards that UL would be testing their products for. Now, will every company build to that same level of quality just because they are more expensive? Likely not. Your mileage may vary.
Of course shielding makes a difference, but there is a looooong way from standard shielded cables to the high multi dollar ´water hoses´ with voodoo blocks and gold plated plugs
(that by the way goes directly into cheap iron receptacles).
Haha PS audio sells audiophile receptacles as well, big scam.
THANKS PAUL…🤗 for giving a reasonable SOUND answer…🙋♂️ I purchased a P S AUDIO Perfectwave AC-3
Cable a few years back…and I noticed an improvement right away and as broke in it got better…I never regret any purchase that improves my experience and also lasts for the indefinite period of time 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Can you explain/elaborate on what it means to "break in" a 6' audiophile power cord. I have a fairly substantial broadcast engineering/audio electronics background but I can't fathom what might be happening to the cord on day one vs day one hundred. Thanks in advance.
Fifty or sixty-cycle hum is so prevalent in our modern home environment that we hardly notice it. Have you ever noticed how quiet it is during a power outage?
Wow, thanks, Paul! Now I get it! Never knew it was a loop.
When you say “Power cable” are you talking about the plug that comes attached to the audio components or a multi plug surge protector or an extension or what exactly?
Makes sense if you consider shielded power cable helps contain the noise within the cable.
Basic principle of balanced audio cabling is same. Shield should connect at only one end. Typically at the destination is best practice.
Audio Science Review and Audioholics tested and compared various high end power cords to a cheap generic and found they made no measurable ( with an expensive Audio Precision analyzer ) or audible difference on the performance of various audio components . Shielding can help if your components or interconnects are susceptible to 60 HZ interference emanating from your power cable.
Are you related to Amir?
@@Mark-lq3sb No I just trust the science , if something is claimed to make an improvement it should be measurable or at least pass a blind listening test. You forgot to mention Gene DellaSala at Audioholics who usually comes to the same conclusion as Amir when something is the equivalent of snake oil.
@@leekumiega9268
SCIENCE isn't EVERYTHING.
@@Mark-lq3sbaside from being an electrical engineer Amir was also paid as a listening consultant due to his well above average listening ability and skills . So he does not just measure he listens for differences. I should also add that there are some well known manufactures that send him their products to test and listen to.
The thing is no one ever thought or claimed there would be any measurable difference on the AP (same equipment we use). But that's like saying a dynamometer shows no difference in measured performance when the car's suspensions are radically different. That expensive AP is limited in its measurements.
I'm not going down the rabbit hole with expensive power cables.. But I have noticed a difference on some of my equipment, using cheap, heavy gauge, shielded power cables between my components and Furman power conditioner. I'm also less sold on fancy power cords plugged straight into the wall, because then it really is just the last few feet. I but I think of you're using a conditioner of some kind to actually clean up the power, then it makes sense to try and keep it clean.
I totally agree with Paul; the cables look cool! ;)
What about older receivers? Should a new power cord be installed for better sound ?
Speaking of "NOISE".....you certainly are radiating lots of it here
now that is some funny stuff!
Power cable replacement goes back to the pre-digital era when everything was analog. When people professed a preference for a fancy low noise cable what was causing the intereference? The only thing I can think of is: rectifiers, bad designed oscillating DC voltage regulators (unusual), FM pilot tone or tape bias oscillator during recording (only)?
I think the recent advancements in brain science will answer these questions, if the simplest and most logical conclusion will do. back when science was more limited, a double blind test was used to separate illusion from reality , but such proof by testing is never cited by any manufacturer of fancy wires.
Audio engineers will tell you Paul's reason is easily disproven. If there were a difference , there would be an answer. Finding one when there isn't, is a tad harder.
I went through this personal discovery/experimentation process about 8 years ago. I started off with a rack of Parasound Z series gear and methodically started replacing ALL the cables from the stock ones that came with gear as well as the "average" grade interconnects I was using.
The first cables I replaced were the power cables, I followed a well-known internet recipe (from Chris VenHaus) and built new power cables for each component. That absolutely lowered the background noise coming from my speakers when they were at full volume with nothing playing. It was a revelation.
The second thing I did was replace all my interconnects with upper-mid-end to high-end RCA cables. This also made a difference, but it was not as pronounced.
The final step was to add a PS Audio Power Regenerator which filtered all the noise and added power "capacity" for credenzos etc... Again, it made a demonstrable difference in reducing the noise to "black" when there was nothing playing but it also gave the music more punch.
Not gong to argue, I know what I experienced and I can reproduce it.
Its called placebo effect...
@@royrogers7644 Nope
@@royrogers7644 A man with an argument is at the mercy of a man with experience.
@@lorindamikaela Its called placebo
@@royrogers7644 nope
It is an undeniable fact of physics that any length of wire is an antenna that will pick up all manner of spurious crud. And the power cord will happily deliver this spurious crud directly inside the chassis of your beautiful amp.
It is also an undeniable fact that the human ear is to musical sounds as the human palette is to good food and wine. So doing everything possible to keep your wine glass and flatware clean and fresh is a good idea.
And putting a grounded shield around the six foot conductors of your power cord and signal wires is also good idea.
However, A well designed analog power supply ought to eliminate 99.99% of any problems coming from yer wall outlet, the other noisy devices in your house (computers, fridge, printer, dimmers, LED lights, etc) and/or the power company.
Finally, do you want to terrify the audiophile in your household? Just remind them that all stereo component power supplies have a bridge rectifier to convert AC to DC. It's like opening and slamming a door shut 120 times a second. The EMF spikes that result are horrendous (and the BR is even closer to your beautiful analog circuitry than your suspiciously cheap power cord). But thank God for snubber, bypass and reservoir capacitors.
I now leave you in peace....
Ok, but what about the 1000 miles of cable run between your house and the power plant? How is the extra 1 meter of cable going to magically fix whatever problem you seem to think you are having? Paul did not even answer the question.
@@Wordsalad69420 Copy that. As I mentioned, well designed internal power supplies and the amplifier circuitry itself are perfectly capable of filtering almost anything but a lightning strike. in that case, a new house might be required. There are some great books out there on audio amp design. Randy Slone (sp?) is one of my favorite technical authors. He addresses this subject in detail and he's an easy read (as long as you read each paragraph twice)l. Bob Cordell (sp?) is another awesome author/engineer, although you need to be very serious to get through his material, it is detailed, in-depth and absolutely top notch.
@@Freq412 Well hopefully those $20K amps have state of the art circuitry that filters out anything bad, so then why do you need a fancy power cable?
@@Wordsalad69420 An excellent question that I'm going to test before answering. I'm in the process of building a very unique musical instrument amplifier from scratch with a power amp section based on a Randy Slone design. It's very "high end" and when I get some time, I'm gonna play with the power cord, shielded vs unshielded. We'll see how it goes, but don't hold your breath, I won't be finished with the amp until January some time.....
The term “deniers” is a bit nasty - calling back to Holocaust deniers. There are skeptics, most of whom (myself included) are skeptical at companies charging thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars on cables claiming to have magical effects on system performance.
Will a heavier-gauge, properly insulated and shielded cable help reduce noise? Of course. Does that cable need to cost a couple thousand dollars? Absolutely not.
Power supplies have filtering on their input so I’m not sure how much improvement a special power cable will provide - certainly not enough to justify the astronomical prices being asked by many manufacturers.
You could just as easily as brand “believers” to be like Scientologists, having spent so much money they must believe it does make a difference or be forced to admit they wasted thousands of dollars on snake oil.
Mains supply on the wall may suffer from PQ issues, that why we needs IEC standards of ESD EFT & Surge protection in your machines.
using RCA's in car audio, which end gets the ground wire connection, the head unit or the amplifier (or dsp)?
Dear god what was this? After hearing this, I'm now sure it doesn't make a difference 😂
Right? I feel like I am taking crazy pills. Half the video was a rant. The other half was about the current moving back and forth. And that was about it. No substance. No scientific explanation.
My amplifiers are Nelson Pass designed home built F5 Turbo V3 class A that have a bandwidth that extends beyond 100 KHz. The amplifier output/loudspeaker cables are quite long and are shielded with self adhesive aluminium foil tape which is connected to the incoming copper water pipe for a ground because the system was working as an oscillator at an ultrasonic frequency. Lack of audio dynamics, very hot amplifiers and a faint swishing sound gave the clue that something was amiss.
There is plenty of noise on an AC power line but I've never seen any of that noise on the output of a well filtered DC power supply, isn't that partly the reason huge (and hopefully smaller non polar) capacitors are used?
@ Douglas Blake. The shield around the 'speaker cables is grounded, not the (low side of) cables themselves. The equipment is not inherently unstable, as stated, the class A amplifier has a very wide bandwidth but also has a low gain of just 16 dBs. That the speaker cables are long doesn't help but they're long because the amplifier is water cooled and has two 5 K RPM (noisy) fans and is in the cellar below my listening room.
The RIAA input stage is also a Pass design, as is the single transistor gain stage between the output of the RIAA stage and the F5 input. The system did not oscillate when 'speaker cables were not connected.
If you've ever put a finger on the input of a wide bandwidth power amplifier and heard a hiss (rather than a main's frequency buzz) you will know what I'm typing about.
If I had a home, I would get a super duper power cable.
If you want a home, you might want to spend less time commenting and more time working toward owning a home... just saying.
So lets’ see, you have dropped $11,300 on a single-ended triode mono-block amplifier that puts out almost 6 watts with a mere 3% THD. You trust that the engineers that designed it have picked a topology and specified the appropriate components (Vintage NOS tubes, Mundorf silver/gold/oil capacitors, Vishay resistors, and pure silver wiring etc.) to ensure it provides crystal clear transparently that is always agile and dynamic while being rich and fully saturated, offering a tonally and harmonically dense acoustic environment with a huge soundstage and a highly natural tonal and textural delivery that is extremely quick, and controlled - yet neutral, balanced, very musical, and powerful with blackness and control in the bass that allows simply the right transmission of music free from artifacts or manipulation in which the instruments are contained in their own space resulting in a magical musical harmony between speaker and amplifier electronics that assures considerably better focus, instrumental separation, cleaner & sweeter treble and better upper-midrange resolution with an impressive layering of dynamics, as well as nice drive and transient pop, and a strong degree of transparency that is grain-free and offers effortless resolution and reflexes, making it a snap to follow interleaved melodic and rhythmic lines with a sound that is open and detailed with exquisite harmonic nuance and shading with dynamics that are very agile (again!), realistically tracking changes in the music yet with a low end that is elegantly controlled but not over-torqued but instead is luscious, velvety, silken, gorgeous for a presentation that never, ever sounds electro mechanical, instead is always wholly natural with a dynamic range that is prodigious in delivering the sonic goods with naturalness, beauty, and ease, while also throwing a remarkably deep and wide soundstage (again!) brightly every time with a golden sense of bloom, inviting detail, and unwavering musicality that produces lifelike illumination in the mids and treble, exquisite resolution of fine detail, and outstanding transparency to the tintinnabulation that so musically wells from the jingling and the tinkling of the bells, bells, bells, bells (oops I diverge).
The engineers that designed the amplifier are, however, completely incapable of specifying a power cord that fully (or even partially perhaps) meets the needs of such an amplifier. Thank the Lord above that there are companies at the ready to make up for such ineptitude - that is if you are willing to pay the price.
This
It’s a dam good thing there are no Audiophile food recipes. 😀
I appreciate a man with humor .
Trying to simplify the contention that the difference between well working cables and others that are less so misses the point of the argument. I don’t think you’ll get an argument from most people that cables should have a certain level of quality that keep interference to a minimum - the argument is that it shouldn’t cost thousands of dollars more to include decent shielding or quality parts. And if you want to change minds that are changeable, make your argument and then back it up with quantifiable (pertinent) measurements, not just marketing blather. Also, overhyping the benefits of an exorbitantly priced cable instead of buying a component that either filters out or produces less noise and interference of its own is a disservice to us all.
That so far is the only rational explanation.... I have a solid background in electronics and do have a good understanding of proper shielding. I will accept this answer.
It is not, noise comes from everywhere. He need to prove that noise that comes from power cables is big enough and is bigger then other sources of noise and none of this was done. It is like: my car tires are only 99% round this will affect the speed of the car and I should fix this. It definitely affects the speed of the car but not as much as other things that you have in the car.
@@amotriuc I believe you misunderstand how a proper ground shield in this instance can isolate noise. He states clearly that this only will prevent electromagnetic interference from adjacent equipment. When you have a very resolving system with sensitive electronics you must try and eliminate variables to improve noise floor. It may make no difference to your setup but may improve noise floor to other setups.
@@soniclab-cncIt will make no difference to properly designed equiptment. But fair enough I guess, those audiophile types sometimes are into antiquated/primitive amplifier and power supply topologies with inherently low PSRR. They might actually profit from anything that helps their stuff existing in the modern world, while simpler main stream devices just are not as susceptible. Has nothing to do with the resolving capabilities of the system though.
I have never had the opportunity to listen to expensive power cables so I can’t comment on thier validity.
The most expensive power cables I have seen were $15,000.00 for a 2 meter length.
What I do wonder is what the manufacturing cost is for such a cable. What could possibly make 2 meters of cable and two AC connectors worth that much?
I could purchase BHK 600 monoblocks for $36,000.00 then another $30,000.00 for two power cords for them.
Just doesn’t make sense when considering the hardware content.
The labor involved in rubbing them down with snake oil is expensive.
wow are BHK monos really that spendy!if so you really make an awsome point to someone who will never have to make that decision.and dont even play the lottery!
@Douglas Blake'People are willing to pay it' is the obvious answer, but it is still a valid question. How could the best sales person convince anyone to part with that much money for such a simple device? I want to hear the sales pitch that sold them on the idea.
Spending more than $2500 on 2 amplified channels is a waste.
I like to purchase higher-quality aftermarket power cables for my audio, video and PC equipment. However, I don't do it with the idea of it improving their performance at all. I do it because I like heavy-duty, thicker cables that are made with higher quality materials that (at least in theory) will last longer and hold up better over the long term because they are sturdier. Also, they are just simply a lot more fun to have in your system than the standard ones that come with your equipment by default. Now, you don't have to take out a second mortgage to get good quality, well-made, after-market replacement power cables. You can get them for anywhere from about $40 to $90 so no, you don't have to go absolutley crazy and drop $8,000 on one of those at all. Not necessary or required.
Same here. I stick with Worlds Best Cables. Not crazy priced and built to a high standard!! Can I hear a difference? I’m not sure. But they are constructed better than cheaper cables. Plus a 10 year warranty is always nice.
Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the Troll Show. Paul, you must have Rhino Skin.
Lol...certain things bring out the "comment experts" welding on UA-cam is high on the list but audio is close to the top
just when I thought it was shielding the rest of the components from the noise of the power. wow learn things every day. :)
You can also say it's the first few feet your gear see
Measure it with an oscilloscope with one end plugged in your wall power outlet regardless of the length of the cable or build quality, do the comparison with the one you're willing to replace, it should show you which one is better. Have a listening test, this is also a way to tell you which is better, if not the most important of them all. Try to install a ferrite choke specific to 50/60 Hz range on your cable. It will make a difference. Save yourself from the trouble. Always trust your ears most important thing ever. I'm not going to get into the discussion of power/line conditioners or filters and generators/rebuilders or seperate electricity into your house through a separate socket etc... otherwise we will be here for days writing a comment.
Yeah, measurements do not necessarily tell the whole story. Your ears must do that.
@@marcusbrsp Measurements tell the whole story, the only story. Any other story is psychoacoustics.
@@lassesaikkonen501 amen
I think I remember Paul saying he still recommends a high end cable even with a power plant. That always seemed silly to me
it can regerate power, but with 2 thousand dollar cable it can do it better :D
The cables and a conditioner act synergistically. Folks can argue a thousands paths of disbelief but Paul is right these are often people who have NOT actually evaluated them.
How to ground the noise from a noisy motor in turntable that Is inducting into moving coil phono cartridge as it approaches the center of the vinyl record? Should I get a moving magnet cartridge that picks up less noise from the motor or is it possible to magnetically shield the motor? Yes, I have a cheap turntable.
My solution was to get a belt drive table that didn't have a motor under the cartridge path with my next upgrade, eliminating the concern forever. But if it is possible to put a metal shield around the motor, that would work . It's the same theory behind why people wear Aluminum foil hats, to block out unwanted signals. Although the former is more practical than the latter, both use the same science.
Changing cable capacitance through design can be used as a low pass filter to reduce the amount of EMI going to equipment as well as facilitating moving EMI generated in equipment to ground.
I think there are serval reasons why equipment manufacturers don't include $1000+ or even $100+ power cables. First, some people don't hear a difference. Second, not having an expensive power cord allows the manufacturer to set a lower retail price. Finally, not everyone likes the same power cord. I've found that some expensive power cords are too effective at filtering out high frequencies and cause equipment to sound dull.
In the past I tried a power cable (shielded). Also thinking about al the wires right up to the socket, that a relative small power cable could possibly not make a big difference. The guy from the store had me buy a Siltech power cable, and told me that if I didn''t hear any positive difference I could just return the cable and get the money back.
I just could not believe the difference! I heard it... (seller new I would i guess) I've let other people listen and they ALL heard the difference. This first cable was on my CD-player back then. Later on I tried replacing cables at the amps, but I must say that didn't't make any difference to me. I guess the CD-player was putting out noise back into the rest of the system so it was more noticeable when using a better power cable there.
In other words the cd player was crap?
You are SO on point here. Most people just repeat what they hear, and they can't be wrong because of either logic or science. I stopped with disccussing and pointed my horizon towards people who actually test the stuff. It's a waste of time with some folks haha, so just let them hear the difference right away if you can or invite them.
It’s how some people view logic in their personal lives.
They evaluate for themselves
They ask themselves that.
What is this service going to do for me personally. What is this product going to do for me personally. Everyone wants to be a salesperson.😀 telling you what you need
😀 that is what Communism is, that is what a Dictator is.
People that need someone else to control their life. 😀
Audiophile is an Ideology.
What the hell do you think it was…😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Paul...please! You speak to the power link from the wall to the device. The last 3-6 feet typically. What have you to say about benefits of "isolated ground wiring"? Specifically, how the house is wired from distro box to wall outlet. I suggest fancy terminal power cables attempt to treat a symptom, not the cause.
Theres something very wrong here. Paul goes on about how important it is to have screened mains cable and how it is the most important thing you have to do to stop interference getting to your equipment. How come a very high end audio company dont believe in shielded mains cables. That company is from the UK and is called Naim. Yes they also sell snake oil $600 dollar mains cables. Why do they say a shielded cable will degrade the sound. Something not right here guys.
Paul is using words like "option" and "believe" and then tries to explain something no engineer with scientific background would do it like that. Where are the plain facts, like measurements or blind tests?
After watching this video, it calls into question the credibility of any of Paul's other videos
Hey Paul. I'm an audiophile (250k plus system) but I'm also a general contractor so you can imagine my thoughts on this, but honestly, you have me rethinking everything. I have a designated 20 AMP line to my system and use mostly manufacturers cables. I'm now off to audition power cords. Palm slap to forehead. Thanks ... I think.
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God I wouldn’t of picked you for 75 mate. Look fantastic.
If your equipment generates enough EMI to be picked up in a power cord and transmitted through your system, you have bigger problems than 3' of cable.
The electromagnetic noise outside the wall amongst all your gear is far higher than the 15 amp shielded power run from the circuit breaker to the wall outlet. It's a fact for most residences. The cables -power and interconnects- that hang off the back of your various components can either shun that interference or those cables can act like an antenna and thus induce noise into your system. This is what you face, more or less.
I know some Facebook audio groups banned cable discussion because it usually doesn't end well.
Every notice how none of these cables are UL passed. Good luck with your insurance if you have a fire. It's a power cable, if it measures the same it can't change the way you eguipment sounds. I use induction for cooking, if I put an expensive extension between the wall and the cooker will my food be better? No.
Some chef will say it matters, and back it up with a double-blind study.
The longer a cable, the better it becomes a pickup / antenna for noise. Solution: Get rid of it.
In 1/120th of a second (1/2 a singe cycle of the 60 hz cycle) electrons move about 2250 kilometers distance.
I don't think so.
The electrons in your wires are not moving very far. The current is passed along.
A better question would’ve been: Paul if sticking few feet of some wire could improve the sound, why don’t you put that inside of the amp (or any other device).
The answer is obvious.
LOL, in one of Paul's video he was in the manufacturing area standing next to a hookup wire rack. I noted most of the reels said "Consolidated Wire and Cable". That stuff is sold in most electronics and electrical supply houses. Pennies a foot. Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with this wire, it's good quality. But we have to ask why PS Audio would use community hook up wire and at the same time go on and on about the need for ultra expensive power cords. Same goes for the Molex or Tyco connectors I have seen inside PS audio products. Low cost plastic connectors. Now they are good connectors and will do no harm but again these are the same quality you find in a 65in $799 flat screen TV. We hear the AC power outlet is so important but then commodity Molex connectors are just fine inside the BHK and Power Plant products?
3:00 did Paul answer the question? the questioner asked for some studied material science evidence or proof on what happens in the last meter of a cable. then paul settled to write a novel. i will further investigate this matter. i know there is some magic to cables but now im ready to the science behind it.
good shield less noise...come on we all know that .
RF exposure of cables can be experienced even behind your wall where your power socket receives AC electricity from. 50/60 Hz of RF energy can penetrate almost any standard wall thickness effortlessly. Where do you start from? Shielding of cables is very important, but what happens if the last bit of cable between the wall socket and your equipment has got excellent shielding while everything else behind the wall socket is exposed to RF energy? Will the RF interference travel along and through the cable all the way to the device you're powering? Factually it can and will. Best way to beat it? Use a 50/60 Hz AC power filter between the wall socket and your device and then, only then you will benefit from a well shielded cable. Also install a ferrite choke on the cable. Just don't go buying something more expensive, no more than $50 to $100.
@Douglas Blake surely agree with what you're saying so far. What about vintage equipment prior IEC standard though?
@Douglas Blake the recording is very important of course. There's good and bad recordings. However there's so many variables in between that can make or break. I got you.
@Douglas Blake 100% 👍 I couldn't agree with you more.
@Douglas Blake ...so you like antennas behind your gear?
Paul is 100% right, I tested my system both with a audiophile mains cable and without, and it sounded better with a mains cable fitted. 100% of listeners could tell the difference in with or without a mains cable in a double blind test, so it must be true.
OK, Joke off;
I don’t have a special mains cable for the following reasons. 1. I have a specially wound transformer which is wound in such a way as to reject noise, and not require any interwinding screen, reducing the interwinding capacitance which can carry HF noise. 2. I have a mains filter fitted. 3. I have a really good ground connection in the house. 4. The amplifiers I use are all very high quality with regard to Engineering build.
5. Finally, I don’t believe in Fairy’s, Lifting speaker wire off the floor, or sonic voodoo which exists simply to prop up the failing industry which is high-end audiofool. (PS Items 1 is true, I do have a one-off transformer in my Class-A amp)
Quote PMG "People with zero experience still express an opinion, which, as such, isn't valid", a denier if you will. Case in point, Lets jump out a plane Paul, it will feel great. Now I have no experience in jumping out of a plane per-se, but I have enough knowledge and experience to know its a dumb idea. A HiFI mains cable is a dumb idea. If it made a difference, you need to dump your setup because it’s junk.
Yeah, they make a difference, I bought 2 of them. But is a $300 cord 30x better than a $10 cord? No.
Paul, you are a Jem.
If a power cord made any difference to the sound of an audio system it would show up in measurements. Show me the measurements and I'll believe it. I don't understand why you muddy your otherwise decent product line with snake oil. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to considering PS Audio purchases.
The last few feet of a power cable is called pseudo.
So your that guy who didn’t even experimented himself and has a opinion..
Yeah if u sit on a sh1t system absolutely.
Try to do without the last meters of cable, you will find it to sound a lot different.
It's not the last few feet, it's the middle few feet. Electricity flows in circuits. It starts and ends at the power plant with your hifi component in the middle.
Commenters seem to fall into two camps.
1. Those who can't see how a quality power cable can make a difference so never try one and then claim that they make no difference.
2. Those who try and hear a difference.
I didn't think that power cables would make a difference but too many people with no skin in the game said they did. So I tried one and was shocked at the level of difference.
Psychoacustics at its finest
I am so tired of unscientific claptrap in the audiophile world. What's even more galling is to be called an "air-quotes" denier simply because the science behind this nonsense isn't there. In most fields people say follow the science - when it comes to audiophile lore it's apparently better to ignore the science and logic.
I'm also frustrated by the pompous "people who have no experience" jibe - we've all got ears, Paul, we've all got minds that work, and most everybody who follows you on UA-cam will have experience of a highly resolving system, so please don't keep putting down people who have (like me) years of experience in installations of high end equipment and who can say, categorically, that there is no science or logic or reason in spending a fortune on expensive power cables for the last few feet of power.
Wow! That's bold of you to go against the Paul... on his own channel even
God bless you mate well said 👍
@@guinnster1 The truth is just the truth with facts backing up the truth. Otherwise it's a theory of a possible audio improvement concept or a sales practice, purely.
"...we've all got minds that work..."
You sure about that buddy?
If you're willing to discard something just because it goes against your beliefs, then i dont think your own quote apllies to you.
Its sad how triggered these deniers get every time they hear that cables matter. You are free to think anything you want, but dont get triggered when someone doesnt share your opinion and points out that people like you are not willing to listen. You just proved his point.
@@wisehippo3072 but it’s not a belief though is it? If one party always refuses to measure anything to support their claims and it doesn’t make sense within current established scientific consensus, what ever they are paddling probably has some issues with it. Since if this was the case you know, we could have measured it all the way throughout the chain. Our ears are very very poor measurement devices, we can make way way better devices out of hardware to measure essentially everything about the audio band. (Audio band is damn low frequency all things considered and frankly almost trivial te measure with any half competent setup.
Putting your washing machine, oven, microwave on the same circuit has 1000 times more influence than 1/10000 length of the net power cable
Once the power is clean you should keep it clean (after your power filter), that's why the last few feet matter. Shielding is everything here, don't bother with OFC or silver conductors or PTFE dielectrics on power cables, it isn't worth the money. If you have a $100,000 system and want to muck about, why not, get a $1000 power cable, but I wouldn't waste money if you have a more reasonably priced system.
ok, so cheap standard electrician wires inside the wall is shielded by the wall paper and chip board so you need to buy a 1K$ powercord the last few feet to the amp... yeah, of course that make total sense.
You should consult with Trigger on such matters.
@@Mark-lq3sb Yep, even trigger know more about cables...
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Probably not, but I wouldn't argue about reins with him.
Gotta be pretty dumb if you think dog crap taste like chocolate just because it is wrapped in silverfoil
@@royrogers7644replies to Roy Rogers.
Gotta be pretty dumb..........
Geeeez, I was starting to give some sort of credit to some of your posts, but you’ve just blown that. Firstly, as someone who’s worked with big sound systems and well gen’d up on what works and what doesn’t and who’s primary job is in RF engineering, I can categorically state that no last few feet of power cable is going to make the slightest difference. If it does, you have a very bad RFI problem and probably should have bought equipment from a manufacturer who incorporates decent supply filtering within their products. If you’re relying on a power lead to sort basic RFI problems then your equipment ain’t no good!
well said
Next, you're gonna tell us that digital interconnect cables matter!
they do, and you can verify that with a really poorly constructed cable by checking the number of retransmits required due to bit check errors.
Paul was right, no matter what he says…he ain’t going to change some minds.
Especially after that non-answer.
Can you detect the noise being dissipated at the male end of the cable?
you mean "the placebo effect " ?
Donald Trump says audiophile power cable are "fake science" 🤣
No he doesn't. 2 of the companies he owns make high end cables.
@@AT-wl9yq Proud Boyz Cables Inc.
@@AT-wl9yq heavy on the gold
It can not matter, impossible! Maybe a separate electrical group can do something. I would spend the money there and get a normal decent power cable.
Referring to "those deniers" is not helpful and frankly arrogant. I was disappointed that you presented no evidence.
The cable ends at the amplifier were cheap internal cables take over.
Obviously what our eyes can see matters. Our perception of audio includes some degree of visual deception of our brain. There is far more impact on our audio perception from the visuals on cables than from actual technical improvements. It’s like a good quality perfume can make us think a woman is more beautiful.
It's a overabundance of alcohol that makes the ladies beautiful. 😁
@@Mark-lq3sb Both of you should be ashamed - sexist neanderthals.
There are 3 things going on with audiophile power cables. 1) They reduce impedance, however they need to be connected into a low impendence mains block or from the wall. 2) They reduce RFI that's present on the AC mains. 3) The quality of the plugs and IEC connections effects performance, also the materials used such as gold or rhodium plating. Here is the thing, not all audiophile power cables are the same, I use ones made from 12TC Kimber Kable with Watt Gate IEC's and these are very effective, however I also own some entry level Audio Quest cables and the Kimber Kable based ones easily out perform the entry level AQ ones. The improvement in audio from Kimber Kable power cables can easily be demo 'ed if standing in the room and switching with a typical $5 IEC cord. The people in these comments saying power cables can't make an improvement are incorrect and on the wrong side of history.
Sorry, you are just wrong, from a radio engineer. Any minuet impedance manifests it self as minor voltage drop. Your mains power voltage is up and down 10% every day!. Good equipment does not care. Shielding does not reduce existing RFI, it keeps it in as well as stopping collection of any more. Your whole house is putting RFI into the cables in the walls. Who cares about the power cord. Power cord plugs are swipe connection. Material is irrelevant at these low currents. And Paul is wrong as AC neutral is tied top ground earth stake at the fuse box. My system runs of a no break UPS - mains independent.
It’s easier to clean the last few feet of noise by stop/lessening the noise at the wall socket.
Tripp-lite Isobar is a plug-in unit that can help ground without a cheap cable to deteriorate or degrade the signal. Plus provide lightning protection.
Also a good idea to use plug-in filtering devices to clean the signal. I know PS Audio sells a couple.
Use power cables off hospital equipment 😊
John's question could have been answered with a single word; no!
I think he was talking about you
When listening, that background noise one is hearing is not in ones head. That's your cables crying out... give me some fucking protection. Of course, if one wishes to be in denial, a little disparaging comment here or there seems to give one some sort of gratification.
Well let's see Paul, perhaps the reason the non believers don't believe and aren't easily swayed is because OBJECTIVE evidence shows power cables make no difference and it's only ever SUBJECTIVE evidence that says it does. Physics vs opinion. We know which one is more reliable.
Neither physics or opinions are static, new theories and methods arise in physics to better measure and explain phenomena. Uncertainty is a significant part of the natural world.
0:44 aha!
Audiophilia at its finest. All I would say is this: don't take "technical advice" from someone who's trying to sell you something. No matter how "nice" they might seem, they have an agenda. TLDR, no, power cords will not make your hifi sound better. Period.
"Eppur si muove"
the worst are the cellphone chargers
... no, drummers are the worst.
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Yes but I saw on the internet that the world really is flat.....explain that!!!
Could also be NOT using the chinese stamped 3 strand tin junk thats free in the box power cable.
Wow, what a non-answer. The 2 reasons to buy an expensive cable are because it looks cool and because it will last forever. All that mumbo jumbo about the current moving back and forth is not really an explanation. Why did he even bother to make this video?