"If you ask a significant price premium for a premium product at least make sure that the price is the only real downside worth talking about" - Brilliant
@@TechTesters Perhaps prosumer products can rest on being the current best? I wish the 10x rule applied to all these products then things could get exciting like they were when we were kids.
One of the most thorough reviews for the 980 Pro. You've answered a lot of my questions in regards to future proofing my current build. I now know what to do. Excellent work!
I have been waiting for so long for a review on the 980 pro, I am so glad somebody actually did it as everyone else seems to be uploading their 15th video on the 3080.
Honestly, I think it's fine, even for prosumer use. SSDs are proven to last longer than their rated endurance. Writing 100GB a day on this lasts you 16 years.
this is as near to perfection you can get on a UA-cam channel: beautiful calming setup, great knowledge on the product and explained to perfection, and it sure helps that you are very easy on the eyes too. Stunning review in every way!!!
I'm a subscriber for only a few months now but I must admit this. Your videos are GREATt! Good information - all that's needed to know, good quality video and audio (thank god!), and a lovely look and voice! Keep these videos coming, I'm here watching them all. 😃
I guess the laws of diminishing returns is in play... Currently have two systems with M.2 NVME in them. Samsung 960 pro 512gb and the other has the 970 Evo plus 256. The 980 having the performance cache isn't what I'm really looking for. I'm happy with my purchases. I'll wait for updates or better things. Thanks for the informative review Techtesters.
maybe 990? I'm in a simillar situation having a 1tb 970 evo. I'm kinda annoyed that Samsung is even calling it a pro-grade drive lol. inb4 they introduce a new line up, Samsung 980 Elite for 350~400$/TB lol.
Maybe they are downgrading pro series, and they will make new line up with even more ridiculous prices. These drives will be using mlc again and will feature high tbw
I'm thinking that to achieve such high speeds using MLC would've been far to expensive. What i think is going to happen is the EVO series will also be TLC but with a slower speed.
@@nice8080 well lets help that they never go to PLC. Penta Level cells or 5 level cells. It already is a thing but its duration of usefulness is so short that no one who i can tell uses it outside of research labs trying to get it to last longer.
Terrific review! Your hard drive reviews are very thorough. Not only from a tech spec aspect on it but also from a financial perspective. You've given me some food for thought since I was at first all set and ready to purchase this drive thinking that it would greatly increase read/write speeds and boost my system. But now I think I'm going to put a pause on this one for now and wait and see when new tech comes out maybe then it might be worth it. Fingers crossed. ;)
What a nice comment :) happy I helped. If it's a good upgrade depends on where you ome from though. If you're still on mechanical storage, nows a good time to upgrade to some sort fo SSD for sure!
Despite the use cases that show where the 970 Evo Plus out performs, I would read those result and suggest to anyone with confidence "The 980 Pro is the best performing nVME drive" and of course people will need to work out their own cost limitations; AND universally understand that any SSD is way better than a HDD, and between them all there is little difference in gaming. The remaining and most relevant distinction between the 980 Pro and others, including its predecessors, is clear. If you properly analyze the graph displayed @ 7:45, it should be obvious that the Samsung 980 Pro is STILL faster at completing work than the 970 Evo Plus up through probably 70~80 seconds. The 980 Pro screams ahead of the 970 Evo Plus being almost twice as fast for 27 seconds, then it slows down to maybe 70% of the speed of the 970, but is still transferring data and holds at that new point (I've seen other benchmark where the 980 Pro doesn't slow down further). While the 970 is "catching up", it wouldn't actually catch up unless the transfer operation extended past 70 seconds. That means it takes somewhere around 200GB or more in order for the 970 Evo Plus to have been faster than a 980 Pro. So, there's a situation where the 970 is faster, but I don't see that one happening very often even for a video editor. This seems to be an "in denial" review of what is pretty solidly a better drive. It may not be quite the full domination like AMD's Zen3 did to Intel six months ago and into the foreseeable future; but those "real world" tests are not quite real at all. Reading or writing 16GB worth of 4k block sizes (let's just call them file sizes) is ridiculous. I am a software engineer who finds myself working with plenty of directories full of hundreds or thousands of files occasionally but having this scenario has never happened 1) these directories never add up to 16GB in a state where I have to copy them because I should be deleting built binaries and intermediate compiler and linker files that's bloating it to that size anyways. 2) Anyone needing to do this operation should sensibly be tar/gzip (or 7zip for Windows) before transmission for backing up, moving, or copying such a directory. My point is, it's interesting to see that the Samsung 970 Evo Plus performs well in these read/write scenarios, but those are contrived stress tests also (I admit, the others are synthetic benchmarks too). Anyone doing digital media work and editing - pictures, video, audio - is not working with files that small at all. At best, supporting files that small constantly needing IO performance may be specific to a web server serving up various files at random (though most certainly some should be cached in memory, or hell...cached by another web server specific tool); or possibly the specifics of a terribly implemented database or that databases worst case scenario for disk access.
@@Shapar95 its out now, but the benchmark they shown was fake. the rocket 4 plus is much slower then the 980 pro and the heatsink of the sabrent is really bad.
@@Shapar95 Not even Sabrent knows when it's coming out ( somebody wrote to customer service ). Everyone on their Facebook page is asking the same question. It's just a paper launch. Abandon all hope.
So, now it's 2022 and I just bought this 500gb Samsung 980PRO m.2. I paid 78.00 US. dollars for it on Amazon. A very good price. As this is going to be a replacement m.2 for my Beelink SER5 Ryzen 5 PC I am hoping that it will perform as advertised. I don't actually have it in my hands yet, waiting on delivery this week. Anyway, heat is an important thing for me, and I've noticed from other videos, it doesn't come with a heat sink or thermal tape. bummer. But I hope that I can just swap out the existing thermal tape and put it on the new one. I like your explanation of the 980PRO and it was well presented. Thank you.
I bought a 2tb version from someone for 130$ because they stopped using their pc for whatever reasons and selled their parts, I checked with crystaldiskinfo it was barely used, I got very lucky with it.Anyway my motherboard is gen 3 so the temperature will be halved because it limits their write/read speed ( never really needed high transfer speed).
I've been waiting for this. I bought a 1 TB Gen 4 drive from Microcenter's brand Inland Pro, and it died after 5 days...Sooooo I just got the 970 Evo Plus. I use my computer mainly for editing my own UA-cam Videos and as a Freelance Editor. So I need reliability. The best way to configure your editing rig is to use 3 SSD's. OS, Video Previews Drive, and Adobe Cache Drive. So far I love my 970 Evo Plus, but I will be buying one of these soon as my OS drive. Love Samsung drives!!! Great Video guys!!!
I just bought this for 20% off from NewEgg. But I also have a msi gf65 10UE which can only take PCIe Gen 3.0 . For the price, this is extemely worth it as the Data drop is so much better! And also, you reach absolute max read\write limit. Can't wait to install it!
It might be fast enough for PS5,now we just have to wait for the price to drop for 2 TB version in the future,Ill probably buy 1 in 3 or 4 yrs for 2 TB version
"in 3 or 4 years for a 2TB version" You do realize that TIME is a currency too right??? It should take no more than 1 or 2 months at the most for anyone with a job, bills, rent, etc to be able to set aside the money for a 2TB model if they truly want it. 3-4 years is a very long time to wait for a price drop of a couple of hundred dollars at the most.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M I recently purchased the 1 TB version for $190,I missed out on the $175 deal but I’m not looking forward to get 2 TB because its the price of another PS5 but I do have money for it but it doesn’t makes sense to spend that much for only 2TB
Ive waited for gen 4 ssd's from Samsung for long enough At least now i can install a gen 4 Samsung ssd on my msi MEG x570 godlike mobo Only waiting for 3080 to come back in stock again so i can complete my dream build
Phison e18 drives might come soon but it remains to be seen how they compare to the 980 pro. I am personally waiting for that and a 20GB version of 3080.
@@HighMv Yea probabaly, but it is and has always been so with super and TI models. The main selling point is that it can now (sorta) compete with the 3090 cards for much much cheaper (3080 is only 10/15% slower than a 3090 but with less than half the vRAM)
brother, technologies advance non-stop. In a year or two, AMD will have DDR5 and the new Ryzen 5 :D And then You're gonna want a new dream build :D And after that another thing will pop up, and the another ...
I really like the way you present details, very simple and always easy to understand. Great channel, great review as always. The phrase "overall the 980 pro will be faster but most of the time not always" seems somehow implies that the 980 pro performance varies and is not guaranteed to perform regularly on the upper level.
Thank you! SSDs are complicated but I really wanted to break it down. And you're right, the 3-bit with SLC cache approach will be faster in most situations, but if you just hammer it non-stop the 970 PRO will maintain higher sustained speeds over time. So for a server / database for example, it might matter.
In my mind Pro always stood for Professional, not "Prosumer". They should have changed the tag of this line, because this isnt something that Pros would wanna use. Also regarding the I/O meter in real use, I/O performance is extremely important in server use, where drives have to handle thousands of small I/O requests at a time.
What's this lady's name? Fantastic review!! You have earned my sub. QUESTION: 4:21 Where the hell did you find those detailed product sheets about the TurboWrite and buffering?? This would be super-valuable to me before throwing down my money. I take it these are technical drawbacks that the manufacturers love to leave us in the dark about so they can just focus on maximum sequential read/write speeds as the primary selling point. I looked all over Samsung's website, on every link/page I could and still could not find these data sheets featured in your review - Frustrating!
My name is Nada. Means Hope in Serbian, Dew in Arabic (apparently), and it's not a great name in Spanish speaking countries, I know. 😉 That info is provided by Samsung pre-launch. I'll give Samsung credit for that, they really give a lot of good information beforehand. Not surprised that they're not advertising it on a product page though 😁
Good review, thank you. I was honestly wondering whether NVME PCI 4 - right now - was worth the premium as I have a few parts to replace at the same time. I think I’ll grab a PCIE 4 board but stick with a 3.0 M2 NVME drive (assuming it’s compatible?). That should help reduce the total cost of the parts I need.
Hi well im three years late to the party. I just picked up this 980 pro 2tb heatsink version. It makes sense for me cause i run a 9900k on gen 3. This drive is backwards compatible and super fast still. And i paid 129 gbp.
99% of the consumer don't need this high of read/write speed. Its not going to help with games. Unless you have a profession where you have to transfer large files all day this is a waste of money.
@@mrcatsoup4496 there are plenty of games where loading in speed can determine who wins so in some games it makes a major difference. for instance last oasis. if your team under attack in another sever you have to travel and loading times can mean life or death. i can load in be traveling for a full 30 secs before the rest of my team regains connection.
@@WilliamChoochootrain I've been waiting forever for the Sabrent Rocket + it's just a paper launch my dude. The only people who have them are reviewers.
"They are releasing 3 capacities"... yes, one useless, one soon to be useless and one that is just about useful with games and programs getting bigger and bigger.
@DragonEggBedrockBreaking Complete Bullshit with "Useless" it all depends on what the heck you are doing. I use a 250gb 970 as a system drive (completely fine) and an 1tb 860 for Games. My mother uses in her laptop a 512gb SSD and the fucker is not even close to half the capacity after 2 years. And to store random data etc. i got 2x 4tb HDDs
My cousin brother have SSD of gigabyte but this Samsung one is more smart and faster than the gigabyte model . Lovely video and hard worked video as always.....Love you Techtesters
@@merwinpique haha wicked. Just ordered the 1 TB model from DELL because it's sold out almost everywhere. This is my first build so I am pretty stoked for the parts to arrive.
Sabrent already has an pcie 4 drive (1tb) with 5000 read and 4400 write. It's on amazon right now for 160$ (199-40 coupon). If you mean a review for it then yeah.
I think most M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen4 SSDs still use the 28nm Phison E16 controller. It was the first NVMe PCIe Gen4 controller available. AMD invested $15M to rush development in 9 months to pair with their Ryzen 3000 Series launch. Samsung 8nm Elpis controller seems designed more for enterprise and datacenter NVMe SSDs that regularly sustain high IO queues. I don’t think it has any business in a consumer SSD. Ryzen Threadripper 3990X is the only consumer CPU currently available that would use more than 32 IO queues and it is prohibitively expensive. The consumer use cases are extremely limited that would require or utilize it.
Don't. Do. Premiers! Then I can't hit "watch later" and instead have to stare at the notification all day OR swipe it away and forget the video ever existed! 😭 FIRST WORLD PROBS!
thats due to software issues.... 9/10 games and programs aren't optimized for such fast drives, which is why u wont even feel a difference between a samsung 860 evo (sata) and a samsung 980 pro (nvme gen4)
same experience here bro... 970 evo plus on pcie 3.0 and realworld feel is zero difference to the raid 0 evo 840 ssds I have that do 1000mb/s... dissapointing
FINALLY, somebody that can review something in context for designers. I could give 3 craps about gaming... I needed somebody to give me the benchmark side-by-side comparison and say in plain English the "SO WHAT" to make a choice for me as a graphic designer. Right now the Samsung 970 Evo Plus is at $149 and the Samsung 980 Pro is $229 (both 1TB)... after 5 videos of nerdy geeky guys not giving a good answer and got this recommended by hot brainy lady that can talk about the "SO WHAT" and the "real benefit that you will see or NOT". Please keep the format but also please remember to talk about the real benefit and comparison for designers or content creators that use PS, AE, PR, AI, Affinity, animation, 3D, Da Vince, and also maybe venture into music production software. The needs for gaming DO NOT necessarily tell me anything about rendering in Premiere Pro or bouncing between PS and ID, or all Affinity programs back and forth. In short, the Samsung 980 is not worth the $80 and as far as future-proofing the ROI is not there if I am looking at the earliest 3 yrs and by then they will be probably 1 Samsung 1000 Evo Plus under $200 so who cares for the 980 Pro now? You just gained a subscriber... and I dont like subscribing...
I don't know with which "block-size" you software is sending and receiving the data but ones is for sure, until PBS and LBS (respectively physical and logical block size) are not aligned to one unique measure you will never get the speed and reliability the hardware is capable cause of recomputing the different sizes and transfer to and from the hardware. On top of this, the NVMe (the drive) controller develop a much higher temperature cause of this additional work (Samsung know this problem very well :-) This is called "overlay" or "file-transfer-overlay". At bottom of every "drive" are clusters they don't know anything, over the clusters is a controller which define (under other) how much clusters are in one PBS, this is by Samsung's NVMe 512 bit, other manufacturer use 4096 bit (also called 4k). One PBS don't contain only data but also parity and other bits. If the PBS is bigger (4096 bit = 4k = 8*512) contain not only more data (cause of less additional bit, see parity, etc.) but also write and read much more faster. Some manufacturers (this one too) use an LBS called "512e format" which one is not really 4k, this just group 8 old PBS in one and call him 512e. This is niter 512 bit nor 4k but just a trick. So if you made a software partition e.g. ntfs (for Windows) with 4k sector size... when you use them, the OS want use 4k the drive-controller-2 (responsible for LBS) will use the 512e and the drive-controller-1 (responsible for PBS) will use the 512. This is not recognizable by Windows maybe (or the message will be suppressed) but by or under Linux what he should do e.g. "Ubuntu detected a partition format with 4096 bit, the disk-controller tell is working with 512 bit, what should Ubuntu do?" In fact under Linux the NVMe ahs others connotation e.g. "nvme0n1" for the first drive, "nvme1n1" for second etc., here you can see clear the subdivisions of controller/controller-parts "nvme(main-controller)0(secondary-controller)n1" the partitions on it with "p1" etc.. So one partition on NVMe is called "nvme0n1p1" The only "disadvantage" by 4k is... if your file is smaller than 4096 bit, like an empty text-file, it will take the whole PBS anyway. The advantage of 4k PBS is: If the file is bigger than 4k (and this is the normal case) you save not only place on the drive but your transfer-rate is much higher. The biggest advantage is if you use the same PBS, LBS and formatting e.g. 4096 but not only. I recommend, if the PBS is 512 bit to set also the LBS to the same 512 bit and format the partition or the disk with the same block-size. To eliminate the Linux-advice and let the Samsung nvme works with lower temperature I reset (whit "brute force") the controller to 512 bit for PBS (default already) to 512 and LBS (default 512e) to 512 bit. Now it's even faster than before. I buy and install a Corsair MP 600, this have natively 4k PBS, the LBS can be changed by single command in less than 1 second, I did it too, the OS-partitions are also all formatted to 4k and.... almost double speed of 970 PRO, what can I say? Not surprising me!
I purchased a 970 Pro 1Tb installed on a card in slot 1 about a year ago to boot my HP DL380 Gen 9 Server. Since I expect to have my server running for several more years I would say I am someone who “future-proofed my computer for better performance two years later”(10:30). There are no games more impressive than solitaire on my machine, but I can say Windows Server 2016 loads in less than ten seconds!
Be on board with removing custom drivers. Windows should automatically enable write caching and it will be take care of in a future build. Third party drivers are a security risk at best (who updates their hard drive drivers?)
I'm not convinced yet. Previous Samsung drives performed significantly better after swapping to the Samsung driver, and several SSDs don't auto-enable write caching, so you'll still need to check. Some companies, like Sabrent, actually give you instructions to do this yourself. That wouldn't hurt.
The entire industry is going toward three bit, four bit, and next year five bit cells. Its how we'll get 4+ TB drives at prices that match mechanical drives.
Nice, I was looking forward to your review. You have the best SSD reviews! You know what you should benchmark also? Blender high resolution simulations. Those can easily take up hundreds of gigabytes of cache data! That's probably the only reason I would consider upgrading to a faster NVMe SSD.
I hate the move of so many companies to continue the "Pro" naming scheme while actually downgrading the hardware and cutting out features and that were present in previous versions. Arguments like "most users won't acutally need this much speed" are total bs since yeah most users are consumers and not acutal professionals. Selling cut down versions of previously good products for a premium is awful. Like what is the Evo line gonna look like? crappy QLC? great review, thanks for the reality check! I was originally pretty excited for this, now i'll take gen 3 back into consideration ^^
This felt like a good & objective review, going from a positive aspect to a negative one back and forth it felt authentic and realistic. Thank you. I think I'll be getting this SSD it seems solid.
@@pashnyovv Have dealt with Samsung mostly for my M.2 drives in the past and will most likely stay the course for these new PCI-E Gen 4 drives as well. I will take a look at the WD Black SN850 though, thank you.
Omg I have the 1 tb 980 pro and just bought the 1 tb 970 evo pro plus and she's absolutely right. The speed are the same after bench marking!!! Wtff!!!
so far this is the first and only female tech reviewer i have seen on youtube and i am totally feeling it shes got a great voice :D subscribed! PLUS she knows what shes talking about so thats even better!
"If you ask a significant price premium for a premium product at least make sure that the price is the only real downside worth talking about" - Brilliant
Right!?
@@TechTesters Perhaps prosumer products can rest on being the current best? I wish the 10x rule applied to all these products then things could get exciting like they were when we were kids.
@@TechTesters I love your case! Would you mind telling me what it's called?
@@Alicecocoz that's the cooler master Cosmos C700M 😉
@@TechTesters Thank you! Really appreciate it 😀
I thought you really nailed it with your closing statement about pricing should be the only downside/complaint regarding "Pro" gear.
She also nailed it with her nails.. ;)
One of the most thorough reviews for the 980 Pro. You've answered a lot of my questions in regards to future proofing my current build. I now know what to do. Excellent work!
Happy to hear, thanks! 😁
@@TechTesters Hello, I have a new notebook asus tuf a15, can I put it on my samsung 980 pro laptop?
I have been waiting for so long for a review on the 980 pro, I am so glad somebody actually did it as everyone else seems to be uploading their 15th video on the 3080.
Just a heads up, the next video will include an RTX 3080 as well 😂
It feels like this is supposed to be called the 980 Evo instead of the 980 Pro given that it is TLC instead of MLC.
I think so too.
So 980 Evo will be QLC?
I really hope not.....
Honestly, I think it's fine, even for prosumer use. SSDs are proven to last longer than their rated endurance.
Writing 100GB a day on this lasts you 16 years.
True
this is as near to perfection you can get on a UA-cam channel: beautiful calming setup, great knowledge on the product and explained to perfection, and it sure helps that you are very easy on the eyes too. Stunning review in every way!!!
Such a great review! Your in-depth technical explanations combined with "real world" performance is just so helpful. Thank you!
I'm a subscriber for only a few months now but I must admit this. Your videos are GREATt! Good information - all that's needed to know, good quality video and audio (thank god!), and a lovely look and voice! Keep these videos coming, I'm here watching them all. 😃
I guess the laws of diminishing returns is in play... Currently have two systems with M.2 NVME in them. Samsung 960 pro 512gb and the other has the 970 Evo plus 256. The 980 having the performance cache isn't what I'm really looking for. I'm happy with my purchases. I'll wait for updates or better things. Thanks for the informative review Techtesters.
maybe 990? I'm in a simillar situation having a 1tb 970 evo. I'm kinda annoyed that Samsung is even calling it a pro-grade drive lol. inb4 they introduce a new line up, Samsung 980 Elite for 350~400$/TB lol.
Samsung should have dropped the PRO line when dropping MLC. It’s basically a 980 EVO.
Maybe they are downgrading pro series, and they will make new line up with even more ridiculous prices. These drives will be using mlc again and will feature high tbw
Exactly omg I thought I could count on them smh nope
you probably would have said the same thing when they went from SLC to MLC for their SSDs
I'm thinking that to achieve such high speeds using MLC would've been far to expensive. What i think is going to happen is the EVO series will also be TLC but with a slower speed.
@@nice8080 well lets help that they never go to PLC. Penta Level cells or 5 level cells. It already is a thing but its duration of usefulness is so short that no one who i can tell uses it outside of research labs trying to get it to last longer.
12:35 every manufacturer should keep in mind this sentence!
Great review! You used all the benchmarks without getting lost in them.
And your conclusion - so eloquently put! Love it.
Terrific review! Your hard drive reviews are very thorough. Not only from a tech spec aspect on it but also from a financial perspective. You've given me some food for thought since I was at first all set and ready to purchase this drive thinking that it would greatly increase read/write speeds and boost my system. But now I think I'm going to put a pause on this one for now and wait and see when new tech comes out maybe then it might be worth it. Fingers crossed. ;)
What a nice comment :) happy I helped. If it's a good upgrade depends on where you ome from though. If you're still on mechanical storage, nows a good time to upgrade to some sort fo SSD for sure!
This is the most comprehensive review of the 980 pro i have seen. All my questions answer in one go thankyou. Just ordered 250GB for my W11 OS.
*cries in 960 pro*
You're missing out on those sequentials dude. How do you even youtube without em 😁
*cries in 850 evo*
2020, Still using HDD WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX, Toshiba 500GB DT01ACA050 😂
Lol.
@Mr10Residentevilfan Even a 970 Pro. For gen 3. Would be still an upgrade.
Ur review is super detailed. Not all reviewers do this. This is an excellent video you've made.
Oh there is a LOT more data, I just think it doesn't really help tell you what you need to know. I'm glad you enjoyed it, thanks! :D
*Amazing presentation! Subbed! :)*
Great job! This review explains the pros and cons so well. Keep up the good work!
Despite the use cases that show where the 970 Evo Plus out performs, I would read those result and suggest to anyone with confidence "The 980 Pro is the best performing nVME drive" and of course people will need to work out their own cost limitations; AND universally understand that any SSD is way better than a HDD, and between them all there is little difference in gaming. The remaining and most relevant distinction between the 980 Pro and others, including its predecessors, is clear.
If you properly analyze the graph displayed @ 7:45, it should be obvious that the Samsung 980 Pro is STILL faster at completing work than the 970 Evo Plus up through probably 70~80 seconds. The 980 Pro screams ahead of the 970 Evo Plus being almost twice as fast for 27 seconds, then it slows down to maybe 70% of the speed of the 970, but is still transferring data and holds at that new point (I've seen other benchmark where the 980 Pro doesn't slow down further). While the 970 is "catching up", it wouldn't actually catch up unless the transfer operation extended past 70 seconds. That means it takes somewhere around 200GB or more in order for the 970 Evo Plus to have been faster than a 980 Pro. So, there's a situation where the 970 is faster, but I don't see that one happening very often even for a video editor.
This seems to be an "in denial" review of what is pretty solidly a better drive. It may not be quite the full domination like AMD's Zen3 did to Intel six months ago and into the foreseeable future; but those "real world" tests are not quite real at all. Reading or writing 16GB worth of 4k block sizes (let's just call them file sizes) is ridiculous. I am a software engineer who finds myself working with plenty of directories full of hundreds or thousands of files occasionally but having this scenario has never happened 1) these directories never add up to 16GB in a state where I have to copy them because I should be deleting built binaries and intermediate compiler and linker files that's bloating it to that size anyways. 2) Anyone needing to do this operation should sensibly be tar/gzip (or 7zip for Windows) before transmission for backing up, moving, or copying such a directory. My point is, it's interesting to see that the Samsung 970 Evo Plus performs well in these read/write scenarios, but those are contrived stress tests also (I admit, the others are synthetic benchmarks too). Anyone doing digital media work and editing - pictures, video, audio - is not working with files that small at all. At best, supporting files that small constantly needing IO performance may be specific to a web server serving up various files at random (though most certainly some should be cached in memory, or hell...cached by another web server specific tool); or possibly the specifics of a terribly implemented database or that databases worst case scenario for disk access.
Why is this the only competent review of this SSD on UA-cam? Every other Tuber has no idea how to test and review SSDs and/or are shills.
No idea but I guess I'll take the compliment? 😛
I'd just wait for the Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus. Also, waiting for Western Digital and Sandisk.
When is the Sabrenet Rocket 4 Plus coming out
@@Shapar95 its out now, but the benchmark they shown was fake. the rocket 4 plus is much slower then the 980 pro and the heatsink of the sabrent is really bad.
@@Shapar95 Not even Sabrent knows when it's coming out ( somebody wrote to customer service ). Everyone on their Facebook page is asking the same question. It's just a paper launch. Abandon all hope.
So, now it's 2022 and I just bought this 500gb Samsung 980PRO m.2. I paid 78.00 US. dollars for it on Amazon. A very good price. As this is going to be a replacement m.2 for my Beelink SER5 Ryzen 5 PC I am hoping that it will perform as advertised. I don't actually have it in my hands yet, waiting on delivery this week. Anyway, heat is an important thing for me, and I've noticed from other videos, it doesn't come with a heat sink or thermal tape. bummer. But I hope that I can just swap out the existing thermal tape and put it on the new one. I like your explanation of the 980PRO and it was well presented. Thank you.
I bought a 2tb version from someone for 130$ because they stopped using their pc for whatever reasons and selled their parts, I checked with crystaldiskinfo it was barely used, I got very lucky with it.Anyway my motherboard is gen 3 so the temperature will be halved because it limits their write/read speed ( never really needed high transfer speed).
Damn how fast are you? Review already? Time for a coffee and watch this :P
I've been waiting for this. I bought a 1 TB Gen 4 drive from Microcenter's brand Inland Pro, and it died after 5 days...Sooooo I just got the 970 Evo Plus. I use my computer mainly for editing my own UA-cam Videos and as a Freelance Editor. So I need reliability. The best way to configure your editing rig is to use 3 SSD's. OS, Video Previews Drive, and Adobe Cache Drive. So far I love my 970 Evo Plus, but I will be buying one of these soon as my OS drive. Love Samsung drives!!! Great Video guys!!!
Thanks! And good choice imho.
waiting on the 2TB version later this year
I just bought this for 20% off from NewEgg. But I also have a msi gf65 10UE which can only take PCIe Gen 3.0 . For the price, this is extemely worth it as the Data drop is so much better! And also, you reach absolute max read\write limit. Can't wait to install it!
It might be fast enough for PS5,now we just have to wait for the price to drop for 2 TB version in the future,Ill probably buy 1 in 3 or 4 yrs for 2 TB version
"in 3 or 4 years for a 2TB version"
You do realize that TIME is a currency too right???
It should take no more than 1 or 2 months at the most for anyone with a job, bills, rent, etc to be able to set aside the money for a 2TB model if they truly want it.
3-4 years is a very long time to wait for a price drop of a couple of hundred dollars at the most.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M true
@@PSYCHOV3N0M I recently purchased the 1 TB version for $190,I missed out on the $175 deal but I’m not looking forward to get 2 TB because its the price of another PS5 but I do have money for it but it doesn’t makes sense to spend that much for only 2TB
@@redscorpion9325 What exact SSD model did you buy?
I've had Samsung ssds for 3 years now and didn't know about the write caching. Thank you 🙏
For Samsung nvme drives, make sure you install the Samsung nvme driver too 😁 happy to help!
Ive waited for gen 4 ssd's from Samsung for long enough
At least now i can install a gen 4 Samsung ssd on my msi MEG x570 godlike mobo
Only waiting for 3080 to come back in stock again so i can complete my dream build
Should wait for 3080 super - double the amount of vRAM
Phison e18 drives might come soon but it remains to be seen how they compare to the 980 pro.
I am personally waiting for that and a 20GB version of 3080.
@@jnx7884 And a lot more expensive probably.
@@HighMv Yea probabaly, but it is and has always been so with super and TI models. The main selling point is that it can now (sorta) compete with the 3090 cards for much much cheaper (3080 is only 10/15% slower than a 3090 but with less than half the vRAM)
brother, technologies advance non-stop. In a year or two, AMD will have DDR5 and the new Ryzen 5 :D And then You're gonna want a new dream build :D And after that another thing will pop up, and the another ...
I really like the way you present details, very simple and always easy to understand. Great channel, great review as always. The phrase "overall the 980 pro will be faster but most of the time not always" seems somehow implies that the 980 pro performance varies and is not guaranteed to perform regularly on the upper level.
Thank you! SSDs are complicated but I really wanted to break it down.
And you're right, the 3-bit with SLC cache approach will be faster in most situations, but if you just hammer it non-stop the 970 PRO will maintain higher sustained speeds over time. So for a server / database for example, it might matter.
omg the presenter is amazing :)
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Very honest and detailed review. Thanks for that!! Greetings from Colombia :)
Glad you think so!
In my mind Pro always stood for Professional, not "Prosumer". They should have changed the tag of this line, because this isnt something that Pros would wanna use.
Also regarding the I/O meter in real use, I/O performance is extremely important in server use, where drives have to handle thousands of small I/O requests at a time.
I'd agree, but everyone seems to call fancy consumer products "pro" now. I guess enterprise is the new pro.
What's this lady's name? Fantastic review!! You have earned my sub.
QUESTION:
4:21
Where the hell did you find those detailed product sheets about the TurboWrite and buffering?? This would be super-valuable to me before throwing down my money. I take it these are technical drawbacks that the manufacturers love to leave us in the dark about so they can just focus on maximum sequential read/write speeds as the primary selling point. I looked all over Samsung's website, on every link/page I could and still could not find these data sheets featured in your review - Frustrating!
My name is Nada. Means Hope in Serbian, Dew in Arabic (apparently), and it's not a great name in Spanish speaking countries, I know. 😉
That info is provided by Samsung pre-launch. I'll give Samsung credit for that, they really give a lot of good information beforehand. Not surprised that they're not advertising it on a product page though 😁
Thank you. Great review. Was waiting for this drive to come out and sadly I am disappointed. It's 980 EVO, there's nothing pro about it.
Thanks! And 980 EVO probably would have been a better name
what a brutally honest review with some genuine good advises for viewers! Won me with this one!
I'll always be honest, and I'll always try to be fair :) Even when I'm positive ;)
Good review, thank you. I was honestly wondering whether NVME PCI 4 - right now - was worth the premium as I have a few parts to replace at the same time. I think I’ll grab a PCIE 4 board but stick with a 3.0 M2 NVME drive (assuming it’s compatible?).
That should help reduce the total cost of the parts I need.
It might make sense to just to wait for the pcie 5 drives to start coming out.
Hi well im three years late to the party. I just picked up this 980 pro 2tb heatsink version. It makes sense for me cause i run a 9900k on gen 3. This drive is backwards compatible and super fast still. And i paid 129 gbp.
I would buy this just to run Crystal Disk all day.
U should buy the upcoming Sabrent Rocket Plus instead. Faster and most likely cheaper.
99% of the consumer don't need this high of read/write speed. Its not going to help with games. Unless you have a profession where you have to transfer large files all day this is a waste of money.
@@mrcatsoup4496 there are plenty of games where loading in speed can determine who wins so in some games it makes a major difference. for instance last oasis. if your team under attack in another sever you have to travel and loading times can mean life or death. i can load in be traveling for a full 30 secs before the rest of my team regains connection.
@@mrcatsoup4496 Some people just like to have the latest and greatest tech on hand, this is the product for them.
@@WilliamChoochootrain I've been waiting forever for the Sabrent Rocket + it's just a paper launch my dude. The only people who have them are reviewers.
I rock a Samsung 970Evo 500Gb Nvme ssd and i am very happy with it
Still a great ssd!
Oh my this looks amazing
This Cosmos C700 build in the background is sick!
Just wait for the next video, trust me ;) (Might be the one after too, we'll see ;) )
"They are releasing 3 capacities"... yes, one useless, one soon to be useless and one that is just about useful with games and programs getting bigger and bigger.
@DragonEggBedrockBreaking Complete Bullshit with "Useless" it all depends on what the heck you are doing. I use a 250gb 970 as a system drive (completely fine) and an 1tb 860 for Games. My mother uses in her laptop a 512gb SSD and the fucker is not even close to half the capacity after 2 years. And to store random data etc. i got 2x 4tb HDDs
@@mrn234 512 is good for os with some favourite games other games well i have other 2tb SSD xD
My cousin brother have SSD of gigabyte but this Samsung one is more smart and faster than the gigabyte model . Lovely video and hard worked video as always.....Love you Techtesters
Just bought one. 150 euros here in Holland for the 500 GB version. Building mine pc right now so I am curious about it.
How's the build going?
@@floki6481went perfect. The ssd is freaking fast.
@@merwinpique haha wicked. Just ordered the 1 TB model from DELL because it's sold out almost everywhere. This is my first build so I am pretty stoked for the parts to arrive.
@@merwinpique nice, in germany its 135€ for the 500 gb, but i ordered the 1 gb one for 209€, its the fastest ssd atm.
Just clicked home 2 tb 970 evo plus for 500 $, and I dont regret it. Also since there is no 980 PRO 2 tb yet. This video helped, thanks.
Not USD I hope? 😁
Damn dude, the 2tb 970 eco plus is less than 400 rn.
Looking forward to Sabrent's offerings as well.
Me too!
Same
Sabrent already has an pcie 4 drive (1tb) with 5000 read and 4400 write. It's on amazon right now for 160$ (199-40 coupon). If you mean a review for it then yeah.
@@ILikeWhatILike69 It's based on an older controller, and it's slower. I'm sure they have new products coming up soon.
I think most M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen4 SSDs still use the 28nm Phison E16 controller. It was the first NVMe PCIe Gen4 controller available. AMD invested $15M to rush development in 9 months to pair with their Ryzen 3000 Series launch. Samsung 8nm Elpis controller seems designed more for enterprise and datacenter NVMe SSDs that regularly sustain high IO queues. I don’t think it has any business in a consumer SSD. Ryzen Threadripper 3990X is the only consumer CPU currently available that would use more than 32 IO queues and it is prohibitively expensive. The consumer use cases are extremely limited that would require or utilize it.
Great video from a channel I'm surprised I didn't even know. Liked and subscribed, keep up the great work!
Thank you! 😊
I think this is PlayStation 5 compatible “unofficially” so far
Yes, but no 2 Tb version for this 980 Pro ?
@@dan8kdanhd757 It's coming in a couple months or so
Try to look for PM9A1, same drive much cheaper.
@Transistor Jump It's drive Samsung made for OEM used in prebuilt and laptop. You can't use Samsung Magician otherwise it's the same.
@Transistor Jump Lol, I never used it tho.
Really looking forward to purchasing a 860 Evo. Right now I'm still on a 4th gen Intel system with no NVME support. Love the video!
Don't. Do. Premiers! Then I can't hit "watch later" and instead have to stare at the notification all day OR swipe it away and forget the video ever existed! 😭 FIRST WORLD PROBS!
Wanted to give it a try, will see for the future ;)
agreed!
@@TechTesters if it improves your stats, please go for it, it just annoys me, but I'm just one person!
Great review! I'm not sure how I've missed this channel, Subbed!
Thank you so much 😁
Q: Can I use the motherboard's heat spreader on top of Samsung's heat spreader?
yes
I didn't even know there WAS a 980 coming out...but after this, I will be sticking with my 970 Pro's. Thank you.
Happy to help 😁
I have a 970 pro and I swear I doesn't feel any faster vs my $60 860 evo and even cheaper $40 kingstons...
thats due to software issues.... 9/10 games and programs aren't optimized for such fast drives, which is why u wont even feel a difference between a samsung 860 evo (sata) and a samsung 980 pro (nvme gen4)
Same, but thats more of a limitation of nVME v1.3 protocol (overhead/ memory type
same experience here bro... 970 evo plus on pcie 3.0 and realworld feel is zero difference to the raid 0 evo 840 ssds I have that do 1000mb/s... dissapointing
FINALLY, somebody that can review something in context for designers.
I could give 3 craps about gaming... I needed somebody to give me the benchmark side-by-side comparison and say in plain English the "SO WHAT" to make a choice for me as a graphic designer. Right now the Samsung 970 Evo Plus is at $149 and the Samsung 980 Pro is $229 (both 1TB)... after 5 videos of nerdy geeky guys not giving a good answer and got this recommended by hot brainy lady that can talk about the "SO WHAT" and the "real benefit that you will see or NOT".
Please keep the format but also please remember to talk about the real benefit and comparison for designers or content creators that use PS, AE, PR, AI, Affinity, animation, 3D, Da Vince, and also maybe venture into music production software.
The needs for gaming DO NOT necessarily tell me anything about rendering in Premiere Pro or bouncing between PS and ID, or all Affinity programs back and forth.
In short, the Samsung 980 is not worth the $80 and as far as future-proofing the ROI is not there if I am looking at the earliest 3 yrs and by then they will be probably 1 Samsung 1000 Evo Plus under $200 so who cares for the 980 Pro now?
You just gained a subscriber... and I dont like subscribing...
I don't know with which "block-size" you software is sending and receiving the data but ones is for sure, until PBS and LBS (respectively physical and logical block size) are not aligned to one unique measure you will never get the speed and reliability the hardware is capable cause of recomputing the different sizes and transfer to and from the hardware. On top of this, the NVMe (the drive) controller develop a much higher temperature cause of this additional work (Samsung know this problem very well :-)
This is called "overlay" or "file-transfer-overlay". At bottom of every "drive" are clusters they don't know anything, over the clusters is a controller which define (under other) how much clusters are in one PBS, this is by Samsung's NVMe 512 bit, other manufacturer use 4096 bit (also called 4k). One PBS don't contain only data but also parity and other bits.
If the PBS is bigger (4096 bit = 4k = 8*512) contain not only more data (cause of less additional bit, see parity, etc.) but also write and read much more faster.
Some manufacturers (this one too) use an LBS called "512e format" which one is not really 4k, this just group 8 old PBS in one and call him 512e. This is niter 512 bit nor 4k but just a trick.
So if you made a software partition e.g. ntfs (for Windows) with 4k sector size... when you use them, the OS want use 4k the drive-controller-2 (responsible for LBS) will use the 512e and the drive-controller-1 (responsible for PBS) will use the 512. This is not recognizable by Windows maybe (or the message will be suppressed) but by or under Linux what he should do e.g. "Ubuntu detected a partition format with 4096 bit, the disk-controller tell is working with 512 bit, what should Ubuntu do?"
In fact under Linux the NVMe ahs others connotation e.g. "nvme0n1" for the first drive, "nvme1n1" for second etc., here you can see clear the subdivisions of controller/controller-parts "nvme(main-controller)0(secondary-controller)n1" the partitions on it with "p1" etc.. So one partition on NVMe is called "nvme0n1p1"
The only "disadvantage" by 4k is... if your file is smaller than 4096 bit, like an empty text-file, it will take the whole PBS anyway.
The advantage of 4k PBS is: If the file is bigger than 4k (and this is the normal case) you save not only place on the drive but your transfer-rate is much higher.
The biggest advantage is if you use the same PBS, LBS and formatting e.g. 4096 but not only. I recommend, if the PBS is 512 bit to set also the LBS to the same 512 bit and format the partition or the disk with the same block-size.
To eliminate the Linux-advice and let the Samsung nvme works with lower temperature I reset (whit "brute force") the controller to 512 bit for PBS (default already) to 512 and LBS (default 512e) to 512 bit. Now it's even faster than before.
I buy and install a Corsair MP 600, this have natively 4k PBS, the LBS can be changed by single command in less than 1 second, I did it too, the OS-partitions are also all formatted to 4k and.... almost double speed of 970 PRO, what can I say? Not surprising me!
always the best
I purchased a 970 Pro 1Tb installed on a card in slot 1 about a year ago to boot my HP DL380 Gen 9 Server. Since I expect to have my server running for several more years I would say I am someone who “future-proofed my computer for better performance two years later”(10:30). There are no games more impressive than solitaire on my machine, but I can say Windows Server 2016 loads in less than ten seconds!
thank you, as far as I understand I can save money for motherboard and buy with supporting pcie 3.0 and buy 970 pro, don't I?
@Srinivas Arasu for now, I have an old laptop.
Decided to buy stuff with pcie 4.0 as fastest for now.
I don't know what I think about 980pro , but I think you are amazing and your voice is soooooo soothing . wow
Thank you? 😊
Thanks for saving me from spending money on something that isn't even going to give me any real world benefits 😂
Thank you for this review! Really helped me a lot.
Be on board with removing custom drivers. Windows should automatically enable write caching and it will be take care of in a future build. Third party drivers are a security risk at best (who updates their hard drive drivers?)
I'm not convinced yet. Previous Samsung drives performed significantly better after swapping to the Samsung driver, and several SSDs don't auto-enable write caching, so you'll still need to check.
Some companies, like Sabrent, actually give you instructions to do this yourself. That wouldn't hurt.
Video quality is on point! Thank you for the review
Don't suppose you did a test vs a Sabrent Rocket NVME ?
Not yet, but I'll give them a poke for sure!
@@TechTesters won't make a purchase until I see a comparison with Sabrent.
You saved me a lot of cash. Thanks a lot. ❤️❤️
Hope it helped! :)
Far too expensive... I'll come back in 18 months when software actually uses this type of storage and then Samsung will be king again.
Sabrent Nvme are fastest ,they released gen4 with high read and write speeds 1 year back and no one has caught up with them till now
I’ll just keep using 970s in my rigs. The 980s might be a good option for the new gaming consoles that have expandable nvme pcie4 storage.
Whats S?
Nailed It !
Thanks for bringing truth🤟🏻
Samsung will be very happy from your review 😜
Hope it helped! Not sure if Samsung will be happy, but I hope they'll consider what I said for the next launch!
Techtesters absolutely
I’m waiting for Hdmi 2.1 monitor
The entire industry is going toward three bit, four bit, and next year five bit cells. Its how we'll get 4+ TB drives at prices that match mechanical drives.
And for most users, that will be completely fine!
98%
Nice, I was looking forward to your review. You have the best SSD reviews!
You know what you should benchmark also? Blender high resolution simulations. Those can easily take up hundreds of gigabytes of cache data! That's probably the only reason I would consider upgrading to a faster NVMe SSD.
Thank you 😁 Roy oh have a particular (public) example of a blender render that really benefits from fast storage? I'd love to take a look!
well - i stay with my 970 pro then
much higher quality
I hate the move of so many companies to continue the "Pro" naming scheme while actually downgrading the hardware and cutting out features and that were present in previous versions.
Arguments like "most users won't acutally need this much speed" are total bs since yeah most users are consumers and not acutal professionals. Selling cut down versions of previously good products for a premium is awful. Like what is the Evo line gonna look like? crappy QLC?
great review, thanks for the reality check! I was originally pretty excited for this, now i'll take gen 3 back into consideration ^^
One argument was that people complained the 970 pro cost a lot. That's true, but i don't think this was the solution.
should the sticker be removed when installing?
Nope! That's the heatspreader
it will void warranty if you do
I got a pair of them. First M.2 style SSD I've ever gotten. Nice to get rid of the HDD cage in my PC case.
Omg she’s so pretty I can’t stop admiring her looks
You smoked the drives. Excellent review.
we need the ps5 tech in new nvme pciexpress 4.0 ssd
This felt like a good & objective review, going from a positive aspect to a negative one back and forth it felt authentic and realistic. Thank you.
I think I'll be getting this SSD it seems solid.
Pun intended?
@@ofekzada2400 I had to re-read my comment to see where I could've made that pun... It wasn't intended ! (I think) hahaha
"Warranty VOID if product is used."
Thank you for the reviews! Love the channel! Currently using two Samsung m.2's gen3 and am looking forward to these new drives.
Thank you! :D
are you going to buy new one ?
@@pashnyovv I know I am planning on picking at least one up but your question may be for Techtesters and not me. 😁👍
@@longmeistergaming9740 have you looked for wd black sn850 or something else?
@@pashnyovv Have dealt with Samsung mostly for my M.2 drives in the past and will most likely stay the course for these new PCI-E Gen 4 drives as well. I will take a look at the WD Black SN850 though, thank you.
These ssd bring
UNLIMITED POWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEER
that's a riley refrence from linus tech tips
@@ggghhhhg9797 true
Another awesome video. Very informative.
Thank you!
My issue with this is Samsung does not factor in a customer's peace of mind. I know TLC is much practical, but my mind needs MLC and MLC warranty.
Exactly my point! 👊
I’m subscribing mainly because the host in lovely as heck!
i love samsung SSD's but they are so expensive.
Your videos are so informative.
Man i wish i would see a boot time with this NVME! :(
You won't see a significant difference.
raido 0 ssds win 10 abt 6 secs and 970 evo plus 4-5 secs
Omg I have the 1 tb 980 pro and just bought the 1 tb 970 evo pro plus and she's absolutely right. The speed are the same after bench marking!!! Wtff!!!
lol. the best part was the "vault" guy hold the ssd..
Very impressive video. Great details and a charming presentation, I'm subscribed!
This ain't no "Pro". This is Junior Varsity edtion.
agreed 100%. they're tarnishing their branding by using TLC here. ruins the Pro branding 100% among anyone who has extensive knowledge on MLC vs TLC.
Thanks for a great presentation, good and clear information. I like a very nice space set up and a cool rig in the back
Thank you!
Thumbs up if you like the way she says "so."
Solid review. Thanks for clearly and concisely explaining the deal with the Samsung 980 Pro. Definitely some food for thought.
Glad it helped! 😊
OMG your accent is beautiful! ;)
great video, genuinely found it informative and well presented, subscribing!
Thank you, and welcome!
welp! so much for Ps5's SSD being the fastest. :/
hopefully this comes in 8tb...... or at least 6. :)
2TB later, no word on 4TB or more :(
@@TechTesters Many thanks,
When this 2 TB version will be released ?
so far this is the first and only female tech reviewer i have seen on youtube and i am totally feeling it shes got a great voice :D subscribed! PLUS she knows what shes talking about so thats even better!
Thank you and welcome 😊