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  • @tigerrocks503chase8
    @tigerrocks503chase8 10 місяців тому +967

    Demon is not being retired, they are just tearing down the rockwork as the track is protected

    • @ParkPros
      @ParkPros  10 місяців тому +70

      Yes as I said in the video.

    • @tigerrocks503chase8
      @tigerrocks503chase8 10 місяців тому +49

      @@ParkPros Also the rumor surrounding it’s lift motor being used on Goliath is not true. Now that I think about it. I think I know why Demon is closed. Staffing was one part, but they must have realized the rock work around the loops is in such bad shape, that removing them would lessen the chance of structural failure causing injury or damage. Look what happened to the rockwork on the California Demon

    • @windowzilla952
      @windowzilla952 10 місяців тому +4

      @@tigerrocks503chase8yeah doesn’t mean they are keeping it

    • @Galarticuno
      @Galarticuno 10 місяців тому +11

      @@tigerrocks503chase8the park replace Demon’s lift motor last year with something from S&S, they’re not giving that thing to Goliath when we’d just ask RMC

    • @catherineseapratt2938
      @catherineseapratt2938 10 місяців тому +17

      @@tigerrocks503chase8Goliath is not sharing anything with demon I am a mechanic there. Rock structure got removed because it started crumbling and they obviously don’t want it falling on a rider. Repairing it would mean rebuilding entire thing. Ride needs state to inspect after surrounding/ongoing construction as well.

  • @Splitter4416
    @Splitter4416 10 місяців тому +316

    Removing demon would be like removing whizzer. Part of what makes SFGAm stand out would be gone. With CGA’s closure imminent, they should preserve Demon here.

  • @YourToaster90
    @YourToaster90 10 місяців тому +118

    if they remove Demon, at least wait until 2026. Sending it off on its 50th anniversary would be the best idea in this situation

    • @Pixie_Real123
      @Pixie_Real123 7 місяців тому +6

      I agree or maybe in 2027 after the anniversary

    • @ELMO_ON_FIREE
      @ELMO_ON_FIREE 12 днів тому

      That’s also a bad idea until it can’t work properly

  • @pooryorick831
    @pooryorick831 9 місяців тому +23

    I first rode on what would be The Demon in 1976. At that time it was called the Turn of the Century. It had 3 hills where the loops would later be added. You were lifted out of your seat at the top of each. Then it had the revolutionary corkscrew. It was one of the first to turn riders upside down. It was one of the 3 marquee rides at the park at the time. The others were Willard's Whizzer and The Tidal Wave. Those are already gone. When the demon goes, all the original coasters that were there when the park opened will be gone. They were all state of the art when they opened. Now they'd be kiddie rides.

  • @crooked-halo
    @crooked-halo 7 місяців тому +15

    I’m a wood coaster hobbyist but there’s some steel coasters that are special to me. Demon is one of them. This isn’t an outstanding coaster, but it’s fun, and fairly smooth for a very old Arrow coaster. California’s Great America Demon (same as the one on this video) is actually very smooth as I rode it 2 months ago. Demon in Illinois is the first steel coaster I ever took POV video on, in 1982 or 83. That’s why it’s special to me!

  • @thegamingguys4178
    @thegamingguys4178 3 місяці тому +32

    Demon is actually a really fun ride for its age and

  • @leafylinnea2074
    @leafylinnea2074 10 місяців тому +6

    The can’t remove the demon.every turn you feel like you are going to freaking die but it’s iconic.

  • @Pixie_Real123
    @Pixie_Real123 10 місяців тому +62

    I went to Six Flags Great America last night, and I can confirm they were just doing some work on demon with the rocks. Demon was open when I went, and I went on the ride.

  • @theeverydayguylcw9075
    @theeverydayguylcw9075 10 місяців тому +3

    What some large companies don't understand is that removing certain things that people originally loved will cause them to go bankrupt later on down the road

  • @ianphipps8550
    @ianphipps8550 10 місяців тому +30

    Demon has a special place in my heart, as it was the first roller coaster I rode that went upside down, and helped me conquer my fear of big roller coasters. If it does go away, I'm gonna be really sad.

  • @catherineseapratt2938
    @catherineseapratt2938 10 місяців тому +21

    I’m a mechanic at the park for the coasters and revolution is being replaced by sky striker, dare devil dive got taken down, marti gras is going soon, and demon had its tunnel fully removed, however I’m not saying if ride is staying or going. Also buccaneer battle is also gonna go.

    • @avgnbrkids
      @avgnbrkids 10 місяців тому +2

      Nooooooooo not buccaneer battle

    • @mikep1569
      @mikep1569 9 місяців тому +1

      I don't remember the last time buccaneer battle was operational anyway.

    • @catherineseapratt2938
      @catherineseapratt2938 9 місяців тому

      @@mikep1569 this past summer 2023 it was the only time it was not working, it will be coming out

    • @Duck1-1-1
      @Duck1-1-1 3 місяці тому +1

      Are they keeping X flight please don’t get rid of it 😔

    • @catherineseapratt2938
      @catherineseapratt2938 3 місяці тому

      @@Duck1-1-1 why would they remove it

  • @JKHauntz
    @JKHauntz 10 місяців тому +42

    On the great america’s calendar on the website for october 28, it says “last hangover”

    • @Pixie_Real123
      @Pixie_Real123 7 місяців тому +5

      It was an easter egg/reference to the closure of Revolution and Mardi Gras Hangover.

  • @maxhagenauer24
    @maxhagenauer24 10 місяців тому +9

    There is no way there are removing Demon. Its iconic so much so that the park would know not want to remove it no matter the age. It also has really good theming and a good setting for all that to be removed. Its also like the best arrow looper so...

  • @avgnbrkids
    @avgnbrkids 10 місяців тому +13

    I may hate the headaches but demon is a must do all times

    • @stevenacken6444
      @stevenacken6444 2 місяці тому +1

      A headache ? So I’m guessing you never rode the Shockwave or blacked out on it ? Lol. Miss that ride. So much better than Superman.

  • @pkmntrainerluigi
    @pkmntrainerluigi 3 місяці тому +8

    Hey guy from Grad Nite 2024 here, Demon is still alive and fly in modern day.

    • @DrCranberry
      @DrCranberry 2 місяці тому +1

      Hope you had fun at Gradnite, Grad Nite 2018 was the best god damn night of my life.
      So much fun, got the unlimited drink cup and just feasted off chicken tenders the whole night lmao

  • @godtiergodkiller8854
    @godtiergodkiller8854 7 місяців тому +2

    Demon is hands down one of the top 5 old steel coasters I’ve ever riden, Ngl I enjoyed more than raging bull😅

  • @MrGodsChaos
    @MrGodsChaos 9 місяців тому +2

    A lot of rides where Mardi Gras Hangover stood keep getting removed. Starting with Power Down, then the previous mardi gras ride that flipped you over, and now this one which I remembered as a harley quinn ride

  • @048_bxo
    @048_bxo 10 місяців тому +2

    Thank you for sharing and bringing light to these events happening at Great America. Been going there for over 12 years. :)

  • @Zack-Hates-Youtube
    @Zack-Hates-Youtube Місяць тому

    The Demon was the first coaster I ever went on and instantly fell in love. It would be such a shame for them to remove it. Glad the comments confirmed it's not going anywhere yet and they're just doing stuff with the rocks.

  • @alexkoehler2001
    @alexkoehler2001 10 місяців тому +8

    I kinda liked demon, it was my first inverting coaster 😢

    • @Pixie_Real123
      @Pixie_Real123 10 місяців тому +1

      Don’t worry, Demon isn’t closing. I went last night and it was open.

    • @antoniag4625
      @antoniag4625 9 місяців тому +1

      Me too!

  • @JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor
    @JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor 10 місяців тому +2

    It always sux when a ride is removed, even if it's to bring a new one to its place

  • @The-You-Doober
    @The-You-Doober 7 місяців тому +1

    Demon isn’t going anywhere. I’ve been a patron since the park opened by Marriott. The Rock work is a safety hazard. Half the lights in the tunnel don’t work and is all corroded.

  • @Galarticuno
    @Galarticuno 10 місяців тому +4

    I’ve been told that they’re just working on the concrete structures as most of them are on a decrepit state and are in need of repair. That’s why the ride hasn’t been open recently

    • @Pixie_Real123
      @Pixie_Real123 10 місяців тому

      You’re correct, I went last night and Demon was open and I also went on the ride.

  • @Gamerfox654
    @Gamerfox654 10 місяців тому +1

    Plz try djurssommerland in Denmark

  • @officialsamstermadness
    @officialsamstermadness 10 місяців тому +6

    The demon is still open. I went there last Saturday, and it was running

    • @Sapphichearts
      @Sapphichearts 9 місяців тому +1

      They shut it down to remove the rockwork cause it was degrading and became a hazard. As far as I know there aren't current plans to add new rockwofk

  • @JKHauntz
    @JKHauntz 10 місяців тому +5

    The demon re-opened yesterday!

  • @Thioester66
    @Thioester66 10 місяців тому +26

    They aren't removing Demon; I will not stand for this slander.

    • @tigerrocks503chase8
      @tigerrocks503chase8 10 місяців тому +5

      Demon does not break down that much. I have seen more unreliable roller coasters than that.

    • @Pixie_Real123
      @Pixie_Real123 7 місяців тому +1

      @@tigerrocks503chase8yeah same

  • @jenlilly7569
    @jenlilly7569 2 місяці тому +1

    Demon was the first rollercoaster I’ve ever been on in my entire life. I was hoping to bring my son there this summer so it could be his as well. ❤

  • @FinnaBin
    @FinnaBin Місяць тому

    Vertical velocity was one of the best but it was broken like nearly everytime i went even before it was removed

  • @nathanlopez5667
    @nathanlopez5667 10 місяців тому +2

    That rock structure is falling apart that's it that's all same thing happened here CGA with our theming on the demon it's not going anywhere

  • @samanthalindgren54
    @samanthalindgren54 Місяць тому

    Demon was my first big coaster as a kid. I used to love it. I haven't been on it in a few years, though, because the last time I went on it, I just didn't feel safe. 😢

  • @user-oo5sd1wn7w
    @user-oo5sd1wn7w 9 місяців тому +2

    My favorite is the X-flight I'm glad they aren't getting rid of it

  • @Goldeggz71
    @Goldeggz71 9 місяців тому +1

    They might be closing Demon, because too many people are getting stuck upside down, so their best course of action is to take it down to prevent it.

    • @Pixie_Real123
      @Pixie_Real123 7 місяців тому +1

      That only happened once I believe and it was in the 80s

  • @jackmccool9911
    @jackmccool9911 2 місяці тому +1

    The little dipper and american eagle are literally having vietnam war flashbacks

  • @NicolasFamily-hx9tg
    @NicolasFamily-hx9tg 10 місяців тому +9

    if demon would be removed, what would people want for it to be replaced by? For me, if they also use the land of the go karts and the buccaneer battle, what if they could get a b&m dive or even another rmc like a raptor or if possible, maybe even the first rmc T. rex!?!

    • @ParkPros
      @ParkPros  10 місяців тому +2

      Intamin multi-launch.

    • @NicolasFamily-hx9tg
      @NicolasFamily-hx9tg 10 місяців тому

      Oh yeah that would also be great!!! Six flags should really get a longer launch coaster since our only launches are Maxx force and v2 which are very short. I feel like the park working with into an to get a multi launch would be awesome

    • @catherineseapratt2938
      @catherineseapratt2938 10 місяців тому

      dive is already gone and sky striker is going there, buccaneer will be taken down soon.

    • @huntzzio
      @huntzzio 10 місяців тому

      What a thoosie

  • @jamirgordon9745
    @jamirgordon9745 Місяць тому

    Well, demon has opened back up, it’s my home park so me and my partner went up there on Saturday and it was in operation the whole day. However, the American Eagle was down the whole day which isn’t uncommon as the last time I came there was when I was in middle school which was in 2018, and it was down that day too. I know they plan to remove the American Eagle some day, but both rides I hope they can still stay or even get remodeled. Maybe an RMC edition of American Eagle, and with the Demon they could do the same thing that was done to the Lochness Monster rollercoaster hopefully.

  • @Kimthunderfan
    @Kimthunderfan 2 місяці тому

    Damn no pls don't take them down I really wanted to grow up and ride x flight as well the spinning one and the hangover

  • @user-hq8cq4ti3y
    @user-hq8cq4ti3y 3 місяці тому +1

    Man for our end of 8 grade trip we went here and rode demon 10 times because the line was short but we helped our conquer his fear or roller coasters that go upside down and he was dragging us in 😢. Never want to see it go

  • @LuxAudio389
    @LuxAudio389 13 днів тому +1

    The Demon needs Landmark Status so it can never be torn down. 👹

  • @BellaAndZy
    @BellaAndZy 5 місяців тому

    Rides that recently shut down
    -revolution
    -mardi gras hangover
    -dare devil dive
    (This next one is in the beginning of the queue of American eagle but I'm not sure when it closed and what the name of the ride was)

  • @lightningboat
    @lightningboat 2 місяці тому

    They should give Demon a CSM retrack, new theming and new Vekoma trains with lap bars

  • @rgg12354
    @rgg12354 Місяць тому +1

    If they remove demon its probably getting shipped down to six flags america

  • @katelynbrown4345
    @katelynbrown4345 Місяць тому

    Devil is moving to NJ great adventure. Was there last week and say it was renaming it Jersey devil coaster or something more fitting

  • @bruceaskew2107
    @bruceaskew2107 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for the info bro, my home park , that last year i went was when Max force open in 2019 with my son, but we going this year

  • @Green.Star_ks
    @Green.Star_ks 9 місяців тому

    I’m so sad about Revaluation😭😭 I loved it so much. I did ride it for the last time on Oct 29th. Never did ride Hangover, me and my brother has the opportunity, but we thought it’d be funny if neither of us ever rode it

  • @christianandrade2973
    @christianandrade2973 2 місяці тому

    After moving to Florida from Chicago. I don't think I could ever return to this park

  • @nickplays1015
    @nickplays1015 9 місяців тому

    Yes Mardi Gras Hangover and Revolution were both rumored to be leaving the park this year :(

    • @DARK_AMBIGUOUS
      @DARK_AMBIGUOUS 5 місяців тому

      That's sad how they are removing Mardigras Hangover, I rode it like a day after it opened and I thought it looked cool, especially at night because of the lights on it, it's kind of fun but also it doesn't really feel that fun, probably because of how big it is which makes it spin slower, but the entrance and the theme are cool and stuff, but I'm glad they are getting rid of the Revolution, it's boring and slow, it takes for ever for the ride to start and stop, the seats face inwards so it's not that fun and you can't really see anything, it doesn't go upside down, it fact it goes slow and slowly gets faster and higher but it only does like 2 or 3 swings at the highest fastest point before the ride ends, it feels like it's over right as it's actually getting good. The only cool thing about the Revolution is how it looks, like the name and the red white and blue and gold colors, but the new one will most likely look way better

  • @HalloweenDr
    @HalloweenDr 9 місяців тому +1

    It's revolution and Mardi gra hangover.

  • @annlebelt2676
    @annlebelt2676 9 місяців тому

    Wow Demon was my first roller coaster to go upside down on as a kid. I forget who made the Demon but there are very few of them left, I think 3 or 4 of them. One in Dollywood

  • @Edwardify
    @Edwardify 29 днів тому

    Imagine removing a good coaster to replace it with a generic swing ride. Those are everywhere

  • @PLURPLVR
    @PLURPLVR Місяць тому

    I went on sky striker today it looked fun but when I got on there was difficulty’s and we did not go as high as other waiting 2hrs for it was disappointing I will have to try again another time though

  • @reddcube
    @reddcube 10 місяців тому +1

    Demon removal would be understandable. The ride ̶i̶s̶n̶’̶t̶ ̶p̶o̶p̶u̶l̶a̶r̶ and its plot of land could easily be split. Making room for 2 new attractions.
    Edit. The ride has fans, but a restoration or removal seems inevitable.

  • @nuggs4snuggs516
    @nuggs4snuggs516 10 місяців тому

    I love Demon, but when I was there last year the ride was pretty rough, I'd understand them removing or remodeling it

  • @Jennifer-px2us
    @Jennifer-px2us 29 днів тому

    The ride demon at Six Flags has not been removed because Sky Striker because it's in a different place and I don't know why that hangover ride there's a lot of Goofy Goose was knocked over I miss Levolution

  • @adamkostowicz7289
    @adamkostowicz7289 12 днів тому

    Omg I almost lost a heart beat hearing demon could be gone but it appears not…my grandpa took my dad on it and he took me on it and now I have an 8 year old

  • @seriomarkj
    @seriomarkj 10 місяців тому +4

    I get the classic aspect, but you cant save every old coaster, and i think its about time, if we decided to save wizzer then demon needs to be put to sleep for something newer and better, there js only so much room at SFGAM

    • @nose_toes
      @nose_toes 10 місяців тому

      for me i need to save wizzer at all costs because its the best ride ever even though its made for literally 5 year olds. sorry demon 😢

  • @Woods10995
    @Woods10995 Місяць тому

    Mardi Gras was removed from the six flags app too

  • @AJtheShrekFan2005
    @AJtheShrekFan2005 10 місяців тому

    Dang, 5 Years Ago, Mardi Gras Hangover was open but now it's getting Replaced this year and we're gonna kiss it Goodbye.

  • @mdjones7006
    @mdjones7006 Місяць тому

    I love the mardi gra ride i was so sad to see it gone

  • @chitownsuperfan
    @chitownsuperfan 11 днів тому

    Demon sucks. It's slow, uncomfortable, shaky, rough, the loops feel more like obstacles to brace for and traverse rather than fun elements, and waaaaay too small (I'm 6'4" and do not fit properly in the cars). I know it's a classic, but I've never enjoyed it, I don't ride it, and would most definitely would not miss it. I'd ride The Whizzer 100 times before riding Demon once

  • @neokidd1395
    @neokidd1395 9 місяців тому +1

    They need more rides not remove them.

  • @Jack-lu3dv
    @Jack-lu3dv 10 місяців тому +1

    I went to great America 5 times this summer and all 5 times demon was not open. Probably has something to do with this

    • @048_bxo
      @048_bxo 10 місяців тому

      Agreed!

  • @Random_Eebs
    @Random_Eebs 10 місяців тому

    As a great America home Parker, THEY WONT GET RID OF IT. I WONT STAND FOR THIS

  • @robertmartin542
    @robertmartin542 3 дні тому

    Demon was originally called “turn of the century “. So they may change it, who knows.

  • @jamessveinsson6006
    @jamessveinsson6006 Місяць тому

    In here, I thought the demon was very popular. I thought it was one of my favorite.

  • @Michael-sb8jf
    @Michael-sb8jf 6 місяців тому

    Whst cedar fair park needs an arrow coaster transpant

  • @wwefan2496
    @wwefan2496 9 місяців тому

    I'll be sad if they remove demon, its not ny favorite ride but it's the first coaster I ever rode so it holds a special place in my heart

  • @Whyyoulookinghere705
    @Whyyoulookinghere705 3 місяці тому

    The fact that he predicted this is sad😢 they were 2 of my fav rides

  • @KevinsBurger
    @KevinsBurger 2 місяці тому

    Sky striker is being built!!

  • @Procoaster
    @Procoaster 10 місяців тому +2

    Well the park doesnt have a dive or floorless, but as said in the video, id like the theming to be like the demons revenge if they do get the 50th year ride.

    • @Galarticuno
      @Galarticuno 10 місяців тому

      We used to have a floorless that we specifically got rid of to make way for Goliath, but I’ve heard rumors in the past that we could’ve gotten a small dive coaster that would be placed somewhere around Buccaneer Battle. It wouldn’t be replacing Demon, however, and would probably take up the space of the GoCarts and/or the area near Revolution before we knew of High Striker

    • @Procoaster
      @Procoaster 10 місяців тому

      @Galarticuno oh yeah I forgot about iron wolf

    • @Jfxkxdvrvr
      @Jfxkxdvrvr 10 місяців тому

      ​@benbdc17 it was never a floorless at Great America. Was a stand up until it was removed. It changed to a floor less when it relocated to Maryland

  • @chipsdip10
    @chipsdip10 Місяць тому

    My favorite ride is RMC BOSS AT SIX FLAGS ST LOUIS!!!!!!!

  • @melonchaa07
    @melonchaa07 Місяць тому

    Theres no way theyd remove the demon. Demon is a good ride for all ages and also for kids who are just starting to ride roller coasters

  • @SS-cy9xy
    @SS-cy9xy Місяць тому

    I just rode demon today lol had so much fun!!!

  • @omarfaruq9233
    @omarfaruq9233 14 днів тому

    DEMON IS SAFE and now we have a new dive coaster

  • @EliteZer0
    @EliteZer0 4 місяці тому

    So they’re replacing a roller coaster with another damn swinging ride? What crap.

  • @WinnerDoge1
    @WinnerDoge1 3 місяці тому +1

    I rode demon this morning for a school trip (8th grade graduation)

  • @markiewodi3371
    @markiewodi3371 24 дні тому

    I love the Demon…. Old school yes….. but still all kinda fun….

  • @MaxxFameYT
    @MaxxFameYT 9 місяців тому +1

    Where is this.. Illinois?

  • @cupid6341
    @cupid6341 3 місяці тому

    Im so upset they removed the revolution it was one of my favorites 😢

  • @Sphoderman_Dav
    @Sphoderman_Dav 10 місяців тому

    Have you been to liseberg in Sweden?

  • @vickygonzales1682
    @vickygonzales1682 9 місяців тому

    Demon needs to be removed if u ask me 😭 the headache that ride gives u is ridiculous

  • @Jennifer-px2us
    @Jennifer-px2us 29 днів тому

    Analog common sound like I love wizard

  • @coleaugust4792
    @coleaugust4792 2 місяці тому

    Demon was my first roller coaster hope it never gets removed

  • @jacklankford7349
    @jacklankford7349 2 місяці тому

    Demon made my ears swell up so I guess it wouldn’t be so bad to get rid of anyways😂

  • @elmato7227
    @elmato7227 2 місяці тому

    Glad to see the demon back open😊

  • @catvtm4573
    @catvtm4573 10 місяців тому

    Why they get rid ur Daredevil dive!!!???!?!?!???

  • @mmrtoast
    @mmrtoast 10 місяців тому

    The demons never open I swear

  • @azulaaaaa01
    @azulaaaaa01 2 місяці тому

    why are they removing that awesome ass winged coaster? oh fuck nah i’d be so mad if that was my home park 😂😂

  • @Jennifer-px2us
    @Jennifer-px2us 29 днів тому

    I need to have a new ride at the water park

  • @Melodythemm2pro
    @Melodythemm2pro 2 місяці тому

    Why am i just now saying that umm I forgot the name but the new roller coaster now it's open and if you're scared of heights I do not recommend this one bc I went on it

  • @jp61207
    @jp61207 10 місяців тому

    is the retired Dare Devil Dive the same Dare Devil Dive at Six Flags Georgia?

    • @moonbunny24
      @moonbunny24 9 місяців тому

      Not the same as the dive coaster, but it IS the same as the SkyCoaster (the big arch thing over near Scream Machine) which used to be called "Fearless Freep's Daredevil Dive"

  • @bac0nha1r52
    @bac0nha1r52 9 місяців тому

    Great America is my hometown park and it need to get rid of hangover. It’s always and the time it’s is open nobody rides ot

  • @user-nq8jo8cs2c
    @user-nq8jo8cs2c 10 місяців тому

    It's sad to see mardigras go but it's been broken for so long. And revolution shouldn't go, it's so much fun

  • @Jemoeder-l8
    @Jemoeder-l8 10 місяців тому

    When he said 47 yo i was afraid they would remove kingda ka, or is that not in this attraction park?

    • @048_bxo
      @048_bxo 10 місяців тому

      Nope! That's not in the Great America park.

    • @Jemoeder-l8
      @Jemoeder-l8 10 місяців тому

      Oh its in another six flags then

  • @Coastersnoot
    @Coastersnoot 10 місяців тому

    I like your videos!

  • @kayden4675
    @kayden4675 2 місяці тому

    Peapole get stuck upside down on sky striker

  • @LongLiveAubrieghWyatt
    @LongLiveAubrieghWyatt Місяць тому +1

    Demon hurts my head so i would not mind if it got removed but that’s just my opinion

  • @WillDuggan-ue8zg
    @WillDuggan-ue8zg 5 годин тому

    I just rode a dare devil dive

  • @Jackjaberofficial
    @Jackjaberofficial 9 місяців тому

    My favorite ride ever was v2

  • @rebekahhesketh1220
    @rebekahhesketh1220 2 місяці тому

    I was just at this park 8 days ago, and Demon was still up and running, just saying.