Grail | '58 Fender 5F6A Bassman Pt 1
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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You know, just one of the greatest amps of all time, perhaps the first truly great guitar amp, that gave birth to all Marshalls...
Some stuff not said in the video and some corrections:
Tube chart date code says December of 1958.
Top two speakers are silver Jensen P10Rs with a date code of 1957.
Bottom left speaker is a black Jensen P10Q from either 1955 or 1965.
Bottom right speaker is a silver Jensen P10Q from 1960.
Early in the video I said "metal film" resistors in the output (grid stoppers in fact) when I meant "metal oxides."
A bit later I said "selenium diode" when I meant "selenium rectifier."
Sorry, I do these live without a script and sometimes it shows.
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These are things I get asked about a lot :
Amp Tech Gear Used :
Hakko FX-951 soldering station
Weller SPG 80L soldering iron (chassis work)
Rigol DS1054Z digital oscilloscope
Thsinde 18B+ digital multimeters
Kester 60/40 solder
Techspray #4 No-Clean Desoldering Braid
Below are things that make this channel possible that people don’t usually think about. If any of these companies want to send me new and wonderful toys, I’m open to that. I can’t take free stuff when it comes to the amps I review, etc, but for the stuff below, bribe away!
Microphones/Audio Equipment :
Guitar Amps : Royer R-10 Hot Rod and/or Shure SM57 (noted in videos)
Voiceover Bench : sE Audio sE8 (small diaphragm condenser)
Voiceover Streaming : Shure SM57 with shockmount and windscreen
Voiceover Mic Arms : Elgato Wave Mic arms
Guitar Mic Stand : Gator Frameworks short weighted base stand with boom
Mic Cables and Guitar Cables : Mogami/Neutrik
Mic pre : MOTU M2
DAW : Logic Pro II on MacBook Pro 16 running Sonoma 14.5
Plugins : No effects other than level matching/normalization unless a recording
specifically has reverb etc added in post (rare, various Waves plugins)
Monitors : Yamaha HS7s
Monitor Stands : Gator Frameworks Desktop Clamp-On Stands
Monitor Isolation Mounts : IsoAcoustics Iso-Puck Minis
Headphones : Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro (main)
Headphones : Sony MDR-7506 (alternate)
Video Equipment :
Camera : Sony ZVE-10 with SmallRig Cage (main)
Lens : Sigma f2.8 18-50mm (main)
Lens : Sony ZVE10 kit lens (rarely used)
B Camera : Apple iPhone 13 Pro (rarely used)
Tripod : SmallRig 71” with SmallRig Fluid Video Head
Streaming Mount : Elgato Master Mount S with SmallRig Ballhead
Bench Light : SmallRig RC 120D
Bench Light Diffusor : SmallRig Lantern Softbox
Bench C-Stands (light and overhead camera) : Neewer Pro SS Heavy Duty
Streaming Light : SmallRig RC 120B
Streaming Diffusor : SmallRig Parabolic Softbox
Streaming Light Mount : SmallRig 148CM Wall Mount Boom with Triangle Base
Various Other Lights : Neewer LED Panels with Neewer Softboxes
Video Software :
Davinci Resolve 19
Phantom LUTs
Paul Leeming LUTs
Adobe Illustrator 28
Adobe Photoshop 25
Ecamm Live (streaming software)
"I got blisters on my fingers!"
You win!😂
Where is that reference from...i can hear it in my head...cant remember. Beatles white album? or a movie.....?
Ringo at the end of Helter Skelter
Or it’s Money for Nothing - Dire Straits - “maybe get a blister on my finger, maybe get a blister on my thumb……
@@PsionicAudio exactly. And Helter Skelter kinda fits with your current malady, yes?
A trigger warning for us OCD Brothers about all those mismatched caps would be much appreciated 😀
Caution: cap color strobing may affect certain people with visual sensitivities! How’s that?
Please Please give us a LONG detailed restoration video on this beauty! I'll grab my coffee..
Second. This idea
@@TheStephensjoshuaThird
That's some vintage poison Oak. The poison Oak from the black panel years was especially dark sounding unlike the Poison oak from the brown or tweed era. Its easy to tell as the Brown and Tweed poison Oak dont have the FENDER logo on their leaves. This one is a true Gem. Must be nice to have a vintage rash. JK- Coffee and cannabis .
I’ve been itching to see a 58, it’s a rash of good luck it showed up :)
I see what you did there....
I own a 1960 5F6A. It came to me in early 1970's black naugahyde and Spanish Colonial brass furniture tacks. But 4 original cone alnico jensens P10Q with matching date codes, all the right transformers and grille cloth and tube chart. The yellow Astron capacitors were already long gone. Recovered it in tweed and fixed everything. Eventually, I had to make a new board for it, as it suffered tweed disease. It absolutely, totally rocks to this day though. Everything sounds amazing through it.
No reverb! You’re a real man dude!
Thanks Lyle. Hope that hand heals quickly for you.
We love you, blisters and all
Your tool is on the other side of the room?? You go Lyle!!
My Bother n Law has a 1958 5F6A he got from a friend. It had been modified with the control head removed and placed in a separate cab. The speaker cabinet is original but has a single 15" radio Shack speaker and baffle plate to accomodate in lieu of the original 4 10 Jensens it came with. The tolex is a dartk grey but it has the original Fender Bassman nameplate on it. Who ever did the mod knew what they were doing, obviously an experienced amp tech, because it looks good and well done. We have discussed re-encasing it to its original form but thats in the future. We went thru it checked xfrmrs, circuits and found no issues other than a blown rectefier tube, one incorrect power tube. We replaced all tubes and fired it up and played for the first time in over 20 years. It has some minor itchy scratchy to it but it sounds amazing. We still need to go back thru it again and do some cap replacement. This video and the next one on it will be helpful. I only trust Psionic Audio and two or three others on UA-cam regarding vintage amp troubleshooting and repair. I have learned a lot from these guys. I am looking forward to the next installment.
Love it! A friend has a '57 that I play through when I travel to Phoenix. I plug in my Topanga Reverb and the tone is amazing!
I was one year old, or two, depending on the amps age. Great classic example. Thanks. Looking forward to more.
I was only this many fingers old when it was born 🖐🏼
I've been binge watching your videos. I am a total ignoramus when it comes to technical things, but your descriptions and illustration makes me want to learn. Really amazing and generous content. Thank you! I just wish I could afford some of the cool amps you work on!
😃👍👍👍
My favorite...!!!👍👍❤
Holding my breath for when we observe your excellent work and the reveal of its sonic goodness 😉👍👍
😎✌👍❤🖖
Love the 2 ivory chickenheads.
Oxfords? I've got a few of the button magnet Rola alnicos legend claims were in the very first 4x10s, real screamers with more bass than those magnets would lead you to believe. Hard to believe they're 70 years old.
A grrrrrrrrrail? Glad that Lyle the Enchanter is getting a chance to take care of everything this beautiful Bassman needs, although I hope that you'll soon find a better way to summon fire from your fingertips. Get well soon, man!
Naughty naughty Zoot.
@@PsionicAudio Brave, brave Concord!
Man, this amp lucked out the F out. It’s in great hands. Can’t wait to see all the TLC you give it!
Got to play through one a long time ago
I remember very smooth overdrive and tremendous volume
What a time capsule. Thanks for sharing this video.
Favorite Guitar Amp. Hands down.
At my age blisters are the least of my freakout haha enjoy the knowledge you drop. cheers blister boy
GM Lyle . . . great way to start off a Monday morning with one of your vids 👍 😎 . . .
Gotta love watching a real pro diagnosing an old classic like that! I think I actually feel a little smarter... Hope the poison ivy is all healed up.
Already sounds great. I’m sure you’ll make it sound fantastic Lyle 👍
I kind of like the colourful inside. I feel it ads some unique character to the unit. Part of it's history.
I’m SUPER allergic to that demon weed. Soldier on sir
The blister thing reminds me of Cheech & Chong--"Whatever you do, don't look at his neck, man"! Thanks.
Script or no script, what you describe is pretty clear in context. No problem to understand.
Yeh, I'd say this and a '63-'64 AC-30 really ARE the holy grail of amps.
Sounds amazing!!!!!!
Tone baby!!!!!
Please, please, please let us hear diverse demos of the amp being played!
45249 is a model number, not a date code. This model was only used in the tweed Bassman and the brownface Concert, as far as I know.
Yeah, I found that. Dating stuff is in the description as I did it after filming this. No other number/code on the OT, but December 58 on the tube chart, 58 on the PT.
@@PsionicAudio Can't seem to open the description under YT's "improved" layout, but wanted to mention one of the speakers had "59" on the end - did Fender date speakers on the rim like that?
Oh Lyle - what a beauty this is! Wondering if the transformer will turn out to be from a Blackface Super. Great series
Thanks. It appears to be completely original to the amp.
My dream amp
GOLDEN WARMTH, PUNCH, AND CLARITY....PERFECT FOUNDATION FOR EFFECTS AND GUITARS TO CREATE LIMITLESS SOUNDS! ❤❤❤
Great video!
I thought that was the best sounding amp you have ever had in there.
if the amp doesn't have a name yet.. call it itchy & scratchy.
Gorgeous amp, put a Strat thru it when finished, please.
I’ve worked on a 57 and a 58 Bassman, both the real deal, the latter was an OT replacement.
Wow, there is 4 individual speaker outs!? Thats nuts. Never knew they did that, or maybe it isn't original.
Original
It's too late I was already disturbed!!! LOL
Very good sound though. Like the descreet RCA speaker outputs, 1 for each P10r , makes it a lot quicker to deal with speaker changes etc better than complicated series/parallel headache wiring. Are they all 8 ohm outputs? Great vid as always. This amp sound is perfecto!
We'll set Lyle up with little dolly tracks and two liquid damped gyroscopically stabilized camera booms for his Sony cameras. I think Leitz made a lot of the Sony lenses. Leitz was once a part of Leica.
The other way around: Leitz was the company and the camera (now the camera company) was LEItz CAmera -- or Leica.
You need a Zero-gravity room for chassis removal/installation.
The way to remove and put the chassis back in is to place it upside down on a padded workbench. You let just enough hang over the edge to get the screws out one at a time. Left side hangs over, then the right side. Everything comes out easy and when you put it back in you can easily line everything up and just secure it down. Sometimes you'll need to squat down on the ground to get enough leverage with the screwdriver, but it's the cleanest and safest way I've found to pull or install a tweed chassis. Cheers...
Lyle, I have a June ‘93 59 Bassman Tweed reissue, it has a ss rectifier and I’m really curious to how it would sound if it were a tube rectifier, is it an easy change? any advice? Love your new series.❤️🔥🤙🏾
How about a comparison between 5F6A and the Super Reverb? You seem to be in a great position to do that at the moment.
If the rash gets worse get a prednisone shot (doctors care of course); greatly appreciate your videos, Lyle.
It's only 9:15 am here. Until I tuned in, a crappola day thus far. This video has turned that around. Feeling a whole lot better. Hell of a good manicure by the way. Did the Missus insist? Good on her.
Hi can you recommend Mallory 150 capacitors for vintage Tweed and Blackface Fenders? Or what is your choice if the old yellow or Blue are leaky? Greetings
I hope the power is not "just" off.....but unplugged. 🙂
Yeah, I clarified a moment later. Unplugged.
I hope you got an ocean of calamine lotion. 😂
"Ooh hoo, ain't it good for you/that good old-fashioned medicated goo....." Traffic
What wattage bulb do you use in the limiter for an amp of this size?
Psionic... you should find the closest experience to this amp for a low watt amp and make it. My dream amp would be cranked 5F6A tones at so called bedroom volumes.
It won’t do the thing at very low volumes.
@@PsionicAudio That's probably why I keep wandering the desert of tone, endlessly searching without finding. :) Thanks for the reply and great videos. Good luck with the poison ivy.
@@Think_UpLyle is obviously correct, but you do say “closest experience”. Rob Robinette has a design on his website for a 1-watt 5F6A. I haven’t built it, but it looks like it would work well. I’ll get to it someday!
I sent you an e-mail a couple of days ago with some questions I had about having you repair my 65 DRRI and my Marshall DSL 100 ( 2023 yr issue not the jcm 2000) I never recieved an answer. Did you recieve it.?
Are the 4 RCA jacks for the speakers original? I assume so. Less than optimal. I have even changed the RCA jack on my lowly Vibro Champ to a 1/4", because I often used different speaker cabinets with the amp, but I assume you are going to keep the '58 Bassman original.
Those are original, but they work fine. There's no reason to worry about RCA jacks unless they're stressed too much by pulling the wires to the side. Mine is an early '58 and the jacks are all in excellent condition, as are most of the other amps from this era- the insulator in these jacks is ceramic, not phenolic. Since the plugs are accessible from behind, using a different cabinet is easy enough.
FWIW, I've found the best treatment for my poison ivy/oak/sumac,.....to be fresh goo from an aloe vera plant.
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So long as the blisters aren’t herpes, not a problem.
If the presence pot builds up dc on it and you have to turn it fully clockwise and counter clockwise to get the noise off, is there a fix for that? I have a build that copied a 5F6A for the most part, and I have to do that occasionally
The DC on that version of the presence circuit is normal.
Lyle, you should reserve display of your contact dermatitis for videos that involve a *blistering* critique of someone else's bad design or poor repair work! 😁
How often should caps be replaced?
They’re expected to give 15 years or so of regular use. The caps in there now are from ‘88, 36 years ago.
What is the ohms resistance of the 15 inch speaker for this amp?
Well, as this amp has four 8 ohm 10 inch speakers, I cannot say.
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After rewatching the video. It's obvious that it's the standard 4x10. Not sure what I saw making me think it only had 1 speaker.
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Seems to be a simple beast. Why don't they make them how they used to?
MBAs.
@@PsionicAudio "MBAs" love it. They're (one of) the curses of modern life
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My hands and arms look worse than yours on the regular just from playing with my dog. I think anyone sensitive enough to be triggered by what I saw doesn’t really want to watch a video about a bassman
I didn’t give you a 4K closeup.
@@PsionicAudio lol thank you for what you do!