Fender ToneMaster VS Standard Deluxe Reverb Amp Battle
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- We’ve been incredibly impressed with Fender’s new Tone Master Amps. Today we offer a battle between the Standard Deluxe Reverb (tubes) and the Tone Master (digital) version… which sounds best to your ears? Why?
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Having had my TMDR for a couple of years now, I would NEVER go back! Weight, attenuation, direct out, etc are priceless and NO tonal sacrifice!!!!
They do sound different, and I did guess correctly, but I also preferred the Tone Master.
I really enjoyed your demo and also just a positive vibe in the room. I have the new Deluxe Reverb tone Master and mostly I'm just excited about getting out and making more and better music with my friends using this is a wonderful tool.
The thing about tube amps is you don’t even think about changing your amp for at least a decade and maybe a lot longer. Modeling amps get redesigned and relaunched every couple of years.
The cool thing about modeling amps is that you can have a bunch of sounds in one amp, but all of those sounds are designed to replicate sounds from other (and mostly tube) amps. The modeling amps are getting better though.
They (Fender - Tonemaster) are already talking about firmware updates. Perhaps a few tweaks during its lifetime? It should be the same as a tube amp. You just use it. If it continues to deliver the goods, then the only thing you might change would be your pedals.
@@PaulSter that would be sweet but if they do too many of them they won't sell new amps either.
Just to play Devil's advocate, with a solid state amp you are not changing tubes and rebiasing them on a semi-regular basis. Also, there is no worry of a tube failing during a performance either because it is faulty or the amp was mishandled causing damage leading to failure.
Yeah, but not all solid state are modeling amps. This one wasn't. It's a replacement for the tube amp for someone who doesn't want the cost or weight issues. And the new designs have usb or bluetooth for software/firmware updates.
The bottom amp instantly sounds like a Deluxe Reverb. The top one does not, at least not in the setting that is used. That doesn´t mean it´s a bad amp
agree
+Fender ToneMaster! I didnt expect that :)
They could have used an A/B switch instead of manually unplugging each time.
Hey, that costs money. Maybe you could donate your old A/B switch and two more guitar cords.
@@tedunguent156 Oy Vey
I have a deluxe reverb tone master and it's a great amp. I've played tube amps for 40 years and it's really close. I like the fact it only weighs 23 pounds. And no tube maintenance. All tube amps are really finicky.
I saw a video where if you match the knobs exactly, they won’t sound the same. But with a little adjustment you can dial the TM to sound just like the tube version
Absolutely true. Dial/tone positions vary from amp model to amp model.
Unless you also turn the knobs on the tube amp... I think the most correct description is that they are different sounding amps with some overlapping tones.
No, it will never sound like a real Deluxe Reverb. Money wasted. In 6 months it will fail and nobody will know how to fix it. My '73 Deluxe Reverb is 47 years old. It is super easy to work on and is point to point wiring. It is super easy to do any number of mods. This amp will never die as long as its maintained, and even if its not, it can be repaired easily as long as tubes are still made. Yes, their digital stuff keeps sounding better, but its never going to replace my vintage Fender amps, and sure, they are going to sell a lot of these to kids who never played the real deal and they will claim its identical, blah blah blah. No, it isn't. The real amps have a raw sound that solid state will never match. Notice how the player in this video keeps saying the REAL DR has better note seperation and more. the fake DR sounds too "nice" muddy, artificial.
@@SDPickups I've been playing a BOSS Katana MK1 for nearly four years without a single hitch. Abuse it, bounce it around, whatever, and it still sounds great and I have never had anyone suggest it sounded anything other than stellar in the mix. Just upgraded to the new BOSS Katana Artist MKII which sports a larger, more robust cabinet and a MUCH improved WAZA greenback speaker. The tones it can achieve as well as the response to attack are truly wonderful. With the Roland GA-FC foot controller, I can set up 2 banks of 4 channels - each with a unique voicing and up to five simultaneous effects that I can turn on or off via the switch. And IF I bring a computer along, I can switch out any of those channels to provide completely different effects, modulation, boosters, fuzz, distortion and reverb. All in one box without worrying about electrical supplies in the venue, or having a valve fail. And it sounds great.
@@SDPickups sounds to me like you’re an old guy with a bunch of expensive gear that will never admit that technology is bound to catch up at some point
Although it's getting closer, modelling amps still have that digital fizziness in the top end that gives it away. Same thing happens when using modelling software. Once they figure out how to properly emulate the top end I will consider a modelling amp for practical reasons (home/studio rehearsal). But for recording and live purposes I think I will always stick with tubes.
AMEN
As far as gigging out this amp is perfect. We run everything through in ear monitors so our stage is silent except for drums of course.
The one beneath sounds more above.
The tube amp wasn’t as warm sounding as the tonemaster….. very interesting.
However the surfaces they are on are lay a major role in the sound but still, I’m quite impressed
I’d say the tube type and age and/or the speaker makes just as much of a difference as the circuit.
the bottom one sounds a lot better
I sold my 68 Custom Deluxe (2 yrs old) and got the FD TM. I like the Deluxe ToneMaster better. And that's just the tone.....not counting attenuator and XLR IR's.
How does the tone compare from a 68 custom? I want to buy the 65 TM and mod it to look like the 68 Custom, how do the cleans and crunch tones compare? I've seen reviews on UA-cam where the 68 Custom blows the standard 65 RI out of the water in terms of the normal channel and crunch tones. What is your opinion?
The 68 is kinda awful compared to the 65 imo. But no way does the TM hold a candle to the 65. It's so much warmer and fuller. In a mix, the TMs are kinda anemic. I really really wanted to make the trade but after two practice sessions, I returned the TM.
And that my friend is why the Deluxe reverb is one of the favorite tube amps of all time.
Someone else made the comment that if you need to play them side by side to notice a difference then the difference is close enough. I tend to agree.
And we are talking guitar players hearing the differences. The "standard" audience doesn't care at all about the differences and if they can dance to your music they are equally happy...
This guy did a complete 180 when he found out which amp was which he kept refering to the bottom amp sounding better until they removed the stickers both sounded good but the tube amp wins the day again tone master ain't quite there they're just trying to sell us on the tone master
If they don’t have identical speakers.
I own the Tonemaster, it’s very versatile…small venue, large venue, whatever.
Is it me or would the mic placement be completely different between the two because of the way the amps are positioned?
Good point - digital version higher up and further back
Yeah, this wasn't really that well set up. One on top of the other and manually moving the input. I'll bet most people couldn't tell the difference between them.
I definitely liked the bottom one better. Much more clarity and chime.
I liked the regular deluxe from the beginning but I am more than sure you can get that TM to sound good but not by mirroring the controls to the valve version. I was on the fence for months and in the end bought a 65 PRRI, go figure..
Great video !!! Miss you guys 😊
From videos i think it sounds Good, i do Think it should be lower price on the tonemaster.
I picked the bottom one thought it was the tube Deluxe Reverb, I was right, I prefer the tube Deluxe, but will probably get the Tone Master due to its reliability weight and convenience. I had a Deluxe many years ago liked it sold it, want another one.
They should have switched amp positions. Not a fair comparison. I have the Twin Tone Master and owned the 65 reissue and the Tone Master is actually fuller and warmer than the real reissue. And I am a tube snob and own several tube amps.
Guitar Everyone me too! I love fender amps and have several tube models but I am intrigued!
It doesn't take a trained ear if were being honest the tm has a more consistent sound and the tone is outstanding, I'm gonna spring for the tm deluxe but im a little reluctant because sure as I do they will do a tm bassman, and that would be killer.
I like the auto bias function on the tonemaster😲
This was an awesome comparison between the two amps. It would be great to see Blaze using the tone master in a gig situation and then post it for all to see/hear. I love your channel!! Looking forward to heavy small amps...LOL🙃
I have the tube Reverb Deluxe with a Weber Blue Dog 50 Watt speaker and after years of playing, it's developed a high pitched "squeal", not so loud but definitely there so I'm investigating a tube change. The tone master was not muddy to my ears, but warmer. In the spirit of Keep it Simple Stupid, I'm "thinking" of selling the tube and buying the digital. Tum-de-dum...
I wish they would make a Fender Super Reverb or Bassman in Tone Master.
I would scoop up a super reverb tone master tomorrow if they came out with one
To me, the tube amp sounds better.
The bottom just has more mid range. I would've suggested to adjust the EQ until they sounded as close as possible, then compare. Who cares what numbers the dials say?
I would like to see a comparison between a real 1965 deluxe reverb and the tonemaster.
Played and compared The tonemaster deluxe to 65 reissue deluxe and a 68 reissue deluxe at G.C. the other day
Whats the diffrence?
@@MrJananton I thought all 3 sounded good and all 3 had a tad different tone. One not better or worse. The Tonemaster of course uses modeling not tubes. It weighs 23 lbs.thats super light weight.Just my opinion.
The high end, at least on all of these UA-cam videos, is the giveaway for me. I guessed correctly because the tube amp has a brighter high end than the modeler.
In the old days, the differences between solid state or modelers from tube amps was that the former struggled for 'warmth'. Now, it seems that, at least with clean tones, they struggle for 'chime' to me.
Just bought a deluxe tonemaster. Have played tube religiously for years, this is such a great amp. Traded in my egnater , still have my laney vc30. Will be buried with it but oh my fender did this right. And it saves my back. Take care
I was wrong too. I thought the top one was warmer and it must be the tube amp.
Im not sure if its my headphones, but they sound so similar that its hard to tell them apart without seeing it!
What model strat is that?
Rarities model
Great comparison video!
Tube amp wins
The Deluxe Reverb on the bottom wins out. More pronounced.
Put them on a stands side by side to make a fair comparison and use a ABY pedal.
Tubes all the way
I don't think they sound close and find the tube version much more defined, far less muddy.
duhhhhhh of course
I'd love to hear the Tone Master next to an old Blackface or even one of the early silver face amps. I didn't guess correctly. Great comparison!
Why doesn't anyone turn the volume while the players plays? That's the test, how the volume grows
the tube amp is on the bottom, because its heavier.
Try the normal channel too. Normal channel is voiced slightly darker on Tonemaster
great demo tone master is incredible !!!!!
I’d like to see someone compare a champion 100 to the tone master. Seems like the champ does the same thing but doesn’t cost as much because it doesn’t have the iconic name
I could tell right away the tube amp. Nothing sounds like a tube amp. The hotter the tubes get the better they sound.
Bottom sounds better. Some weird harmonics in the top one with verb on. I played a deluxe reverb since the 70's. i knew it with the first comparison that the top was the digital. the top may be much more versatile and lighter though and might be worth it. I would have to see what kind of natural feedback I could get out of the tone master and I'm sure it will fail.
make them distort and then we draw conclusions
can fender emulate hot rod amps, or a Fender blues deluxe
Seems like That Pedal Show is the only guys who are honest about how much better the tube version is. Everyone else is pretending like Oh I DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE! Probably because they aren't trying to sell these amps now that people are starting to come around on the DRRIs having superior tone. These TMs are starting to fill the used amp pile up at all the music shops lol. Plug a fuzz into them and you immediately hear the difference. The TM cannot handle fuzz pedals whatsoever. But if you like very crystalline cleans, TM might work for you. But at that point, a Jazz Chorus does that sound better.
These youtube comparisons are more interesting than useful. The sound quality is insufficient to really distinguish the important differences.
That shake-and-bake earthquake at the end. I think solid state amps are like any other electronic device that has evolved over the last few decades. Would you compare your new iPhone with a Motorola Star Tac? Or your 65 inch flatscreen and surround system with an old RCA console? Less expensive and very light weight with "nearly" the same tone qualities while being much more forgiving to mishaps. And they have more input-output and connectivity. Just make sure you buy a good one ($$$$, not $$.)
BUT .... how is the touch?
I wonder what the Fender rep thought of the dude wearing a Gibson t-shirt while demoing Fender gear...
Turn the volume while playing it, Tonemaster full 22,turn them both to 10 while 2 same guitars play
The top amp sounds much darker. I have the Twin Tonemaster and 2 original Twin Reverbs. The TM sounds great but my old Twins have a better sound to my ears. I admit they are very close in tone and TM is lighter by far.
It is truly getting to a point where the price point(although those are a little expensive), that the greatly improved tone and weight of digital technology will eventually outweigh their tube counterparts. No doubt about it. People will always bash digital amps because they started out not being that great. But they are getting extremely close in tone so much that unless you really put them side by side there is nothing to really complain about anymore with a lot of these amps. Their tone is really that close.
I own a Tone Master Twin Reverb and I've owned the all tube 65 reissue Twin version as well as the all tube 65 reissue Deluxe Reverb. I'm impressed with the Tone Master Twin. I've got the Tone Master Deluxe ordered. These are great sounding amps, extremely light weight and the cabinets are even better than the 65 reissues being they are pine. Unless you are paying a lot more money for a hand wired amp, getting reliable tubes (how much longer will good tubes be available?) and performing annual maintenance your tube amps will lose their tone. And the Tone Master amps are whisper quiet. And they don't run hot.
I love tube amps and I own them. I still own a Fender 68 Custom Deluxe and an older Hot Rod Deluxe. Great amps. And I personally used to bash digital technology when all you heard was a scooped harsh and bassy sound that never came close to what they were trying to achieve. That was many years ago. Technology has come a LONG way.
It is so obvious the tube one is way better.
Oh c'mon I love Fender but the tube is the classic sound and you guys know it.
The new Tonemasters are way better sounding and feeling. The sound like what you wish the tube stuff would.
What a waste of 11:40.🤔🤨🤔
Tone master is nice, but...do you think it is gonna react at the same manner as the original amp with an overdrive pedal in front?
Salvatore Di Piazza same manner... probably. Exactly the same, probably not.
An A-B pedal will cost you about $30 🙄
Bottom one sounds like crap. Did you forget to flip the bright switch off?
Live science !!
I have watched enough of these. The TM has more midrange which is more noticeable in this video than most. Also if you crank up the volume, you can't miss it. The ToneMaster has a much more modern breakup than the tube amp. Finally, the other way you can tell, if you know what to listen for is nuances in the compression and attack -- the ToneMaster doesn't quite have it perfect yet
Agreed, I guessed it right off. The tube amp had more clarity and the TM was a little muddy. I do believe that making a few adjustments it would be very close.
@@ek2thehands well the TM is already fairly close.. I actually really dig the cleaner sounds and mildly overdriven sounds. If you want the classic cranked Fender OD though, it has a way to go. Fortunately, I use pedals for a tighter, more modern OD anyway, so the TM would actually work well for me. That said, I'm not selling my AB763 circuit '68 Super Reverb anytime soon.
@@shred5 I am leaning pretty hard on getting that TM. Just looking for a good deal, might as well go after the twin TM. I don't need all of the power but What the heck, I might as well, you only live once.
@@ek2thehands Make sure you check out the Twin TM vs Deluxe TM. I know some people said the Twin didn't hold up as well as the Deluxe, and I have seen a demo that backed that as well (but others that didn't).
The idea of a lighter Twin does sound pretty sweet for sure.
@@shred5 ok thanks, will do.
"I gotta say the reverbs are, like, identical..." Identically lousy?
IS the Tone Master that much better then their Mustang GT200 version of the Deluxe Reverb ?
Short answer: Yes, it is that much better.
ua-cam.com/video/OTZb93yrBf0/v-deo.html
I'll stay with the regular Deluxe tubes..
I was wit5h Blaze on this one!! I totally believed the opposite was true!!!!
What's the price difference if it's close get the real one if not get the digital
500$
still prefer the botom one
The tonemaster is miles away.
Miles away, lets send it to the moon so it won't annoy us with its fake tones.
5:37 is a good example of how different these two amps sound. The digital amp is very flat and two dimensional to my ears. The valve amp is fuller and more rounded
I'm still interested in the Tone Master, but I'd agree that it sounds a bit "Hi-Fi" right at that point. I wonder if the effects were turned down it might sound more similar.......
My impression before knowing which was which, the valve amp was sparkly - the digital was throaty. I prefer sparkly, but I've had a Rickenbacker and HiWatt for 30 years.
I want a Deluxe Reverb and have been considering the Tonemaster, but I suspect the resale may suck compared to the valve version.
Are fender planning to pull out of the valve amp market?
yes.
No. They want your money regardless of whichever you want to buy.
Agree with Murat Tube is obviously way better..
The Tonemaster is Fender's attempt to sell a non-tube amp for $1000. If you want a gigging amp that sounds great, doesn't weigh a lot and you don't have fool with tubes, buy a Fender Champion series for less than $400. Other wise the real Deluxe sound has not been duplicated. I own a 65 Deluxe reissue and it was obvious from the very first play which was which.
Ehhh you're paying for the looks too. Most people would never know it wasn't a real Deluxe if you ripped the Tone Master tag off (easy). I think a huge thing is these look exactly like the real things and for a lot of people that's important.
the amp on the bottom is better without a doubt more organic
Anyone says "yeah" one more time, and I'ma start smashing stuff. 🤣
How dose the reverb sound right up I play surf music and does it still get a spring sound to it
Tube DR sounds better
3:48 ...dramatic change.
Tonemaster sounded crappy next to the real thing
Thats because it has valves
Right, put a brick in it and raise the price. lol
Tonemaster kills the ri because its an emulation of an original deluxe
That's what I think folks are missing. The TM isn't intended to cop the RI, it's targeting the real thing. I just sold my Super Reverb RI and kept my '68 drip rail that has BF specs. The RI did not have 'that' tone.
I'm loving my DR TM and is my go-to now.
Tried Line6 and other modeling stuff over the years and rejected all of them.
Get a tube just another gimmick
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Are you Deaf? The tone master is mushy and flat