invalid link, guess i missed out lol. I feel like if I really hit a training routine hard I could improve. many moons ago Halo 3 was a thing. Many many many moons ago lol. Been maining Jeff (I'm sure that's a mistake somewhere) but having tons of fun dousing my team in my sharky fluids lmfao
I like that they don't knee-jerk nerf like a lot of people want. It's annoying when competitive games just do musical chairs and destroy characters and over buff characters.
Nah I agree with you but Hawkeye needs another damage nerf or a range fall off or something. No reason he should be able to sit in the very back and basically 2 shot tanks
@@speaknoevil7697is this ow damage control? Ow was its most fun when it was new. It used to be more like paper rock scissors. Now they prioritize “balance” over fun, and it’s not fun anymore. Brigitte was the beginning of the end.
Whenever a Spiderman locks in immediately in a comp game before seeing anyone else's picks, I just mentally understand it's now a 7v5 and I'm probably going to lose.
Spider-Man is odee when it's against you though of course 😂😂. Like i had a Spiderman on a team when we won the convoy. I swear I only healed Spider-Man like once at the beginning of the match. Never saw him again. He went 44 2 5 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Like blud was WILDIN on his dolo
I think people need to stop thinking of Mr. Fantastic as a DPS but as an Off Tank. I genuinely don’t know why they made him a DPS (other than tricking DPS into playing Tank) as he’s literally just a great OT and all rounder. He can peel amazingly because not only can he quickly reposition with his grab, but it also provides a shield so that the target can survive the dive. He does good midrange “poke” when not inflated that can multi hit, and when inflated, he hits like a truck in close range. Has a pseudo invuln that also counters all CC. And his ult, while the weaker part of his kit, disrupts the enemy team while slowing them significantly. He’s solid and I think people are being too quick to judge him, just like they did with Wolverine.
He's definitely great but greatly relies on other players knowing how to play with him as he has a big push and pull playstyle. The team needs to be aware of what state he's in, and therefore know when to push with or pull back.
In Doom Matches, I've used his LShift to kill countless others using their ult against them. His LShift should be used similiarly to Iron Fist's right-click mechanic.
I like to mix him on the frontline trying to deposition enemy tanks and such and heading back to my backline to protect support from flankers. His dash like ability can help support survive and its hard to fight support as a bp or something with an 800 hp dps harassing you as well
Honestly I have been so happy about the nerfs/buffs. The devs didn't neuter anyone, and they brought others in line with top performers. Gives me hope that this game won't just be an endless cycle of patch notes meta
they massively overbuffed Bucky tho this guy is completely broken, I can't begin to understand why they touched him. Other than that, yeah quite a good patch
Funny thing about these tier lists. "Iron fist. One thing you realize is as players get better he's just not that good." The video i saw right before this. "How I decimated an eternity lobby with iron fist" Lmao. Just play the game people. Play and get good at whoever you want. Yes, even Jeff lol.
I don't think these tier lists are worthless. Especially for support, it's very useful to know which ones have the highest carry potential, but also, the style of play at the highest level will change with time, too.
"Wolverine is D tier, guys. Trust me I'm an OW expert" A month later: "So I was wrong about wolverine guys!!!! What a surprise!!!!" Tier lists in a nutshell. Always take them with a grain of salt, especially when these "pros" publish it within a few days of new seasons.
yeah and that Iron fist in eternity video had no clickbait whatsoever and was definitely your average Iron Fist game when no stars aligned and he didn't pop off out of his mind
Thing is.. all you really need to make sure on Iron Fist is their healers are separated. If they can't heal each other, he'll get a pick. And more importantly, he can distract. But then again.. if you wanted to do that, there are better choices. Still, if he's fun to you, then play him. He'll probably get a buff one day anyway.
These UA-camrs need to stop talking about balance from the perspective of “the highest levels of play”. This is 5% of the player base. People can already carry lobbies through lower levels with Iron Fist, Widow, Spider Man .. make these any stronger and it just gets oppressive. And these levels dont get the benefit of hero bans (for some reason). Every game in Plat last season had Hawk and Hela, which was super annoying to climb through. Bans should start in Plat.
This is exactly what im saying. Ive seen a Storm carry, ive seen a Scarlet witch frag out. Its just the top 5% play the same freakin team comp and it becomes boring. Youre right, buffs or nerfs should be considered for the overall majority
@@aznballaboi4life Yes and so these "tier list" videos just make everyone toxic if you pick any of these "don't play" characters even though you can probably carry the lobby with them. And on the flip side everyone starts playing all the OP comps and the rest of us aren't afforded the ability to ban them. It's already getting stale.
This is true. That's one of the reasons I stopped playing Overwatch. It got tweaked all the time and they gave priority to the pros. These games are successful because of the casual players.
I like the light handed tweaky approach they are taking with buffs and nerfs. Small changes to bring characters in line, instead of nerfing stuff into the ground.
Penni parker is the most fun character design for a tank. I dont care if i throw on attack, playing her zipping on top throwing mines will never be not fun
I think the reason that you're struggling to see Mister Fantastic's value is because you are looking at this game as if it's OW and using its' 3 role categories. I think trying to stick to rigid ideas of poke, dive, shield, brawl, etc from OW is doing a disservice to their unique character designs. The community has been praising Rivals for its' innovation; part of that innovation may come with new classifications within each role that we have never seen before. Instead of fitting heroes into pre-existing boxes, Rivals has already proven they'll just make more boxes.
I've played a little bit of Mr. Fantastic, and I feel like he's almost a lite-Vanguard character. Especially when you pair him with Sue and you use the extra shield, he's really good at harassing the other team's front line.
I have to disagree with the take on Jeff’s ultimate here. Although I do agree his ultimate is typically used as a gimmick and a cheese, it’s probably the best ultimate to have when you need to clear a point in overtime. All players on a point either have to leave the point or get swallowed (forcing them off the point). It’s situational, sure. But I’ve won countless matches by doing this. Plus he got a good healing buff. I agree that other support characters are a lot better at a lot of things but he can be very good and he’s basically unlikable lol.
@@FREKKI No he's talking about the one that makes the whole team untouchable obviously, I used to think Jeffs ult was busted too but after a week I realized there's so many abilities that counter it if your enemies are smart enough
Here's how you Mr.Fantastic. L click> animcancel right click > left click > E > E. Youre now in dmg mode, wreck face with your extra HP and shielding. Once that's over immediately Shift into invul, and fall back to your back line for any support. Now your cooldowns are back, rinse, repeat. For your ult, dont use it without being Super sized, and full health/shield. You'll survive better.
I have played Peni a lot in this season and she is still strong. There is more to her than just laying spider mine traps. I have been successful with her escorting the vehicle as well as defending. Sure I'd rather defend and hold a choke point position but Peni is a lot more than defense only. She is capable of taking objectives on domination modes too. Of course if the team is weak she'll struggle but what hero doesn't when the team is weak overall. :D
If you're with a team that understands she's not a front line tank, she does great. If you're with a team that all want to fall behind you, then you're going to find yourself in so many 1v6 moments cause your team is too far back to be helpful
@Cahalith180 she definitely plays more like a strategist than the other vanguards. One of the reasons I love this game, is that most heros feel like combos. There are few and far between where a single role feels like it's 100% that. If you're using her kit to suppress the right targets and calling shots so your team can focus fire important targets she's phenomenal. And constant damage. I usually top dps with penni purely because I'll keep it coming whIle my duelist find the right shots/off angles.
80% of players are below Plat. Time to start believing why most opinions on the games balance fall on deaf ears. Another reason is those same players watch youtubers who say dagger is meta and mantis isn't. When iron fist starts fisting and you don't have cc. He will feel very broken.
Yeah iron fist is not broken. Hes only effective against someone if he initiates a 1v1 against someone with significantly less brute strength. Once youre 3 ppl or 2 , hes done for
I think you are looking at mr fantastic from the wrong lens. He is quite good in the off tank role. He doesn't compare to groot, strange, or magnito because he isn't the same type of character. I think he more closely resembles thor and hulk, who both contest the off angles, stop the dives, and have their own dive potential. Mr. Fantastic obviously doesn't have quite the same mobility as hulk, but it is pretty comparable to thor. To add to the thor comparison, he is also roughly just as tanky as thor is with all of his bonus health plus his reflector
I'll repost this from another comment thread. You and I agree on this *I do agree that he could fit in the 2nd tank role. My point was there is not existing spot for his kit and can't slot into any old compositions. If he is good, it's gonna be with something new we innovate, not the old comps. As for Invisible Woman, she can slot right in so it's easier to evaluate her
Mr Fantastic excels at peeling for his backline as a passive DPS/off tank, much like Namor's anti dive. However instead of turrets, he bounces to his supports, grants both of them bonus health then drags the diving hero away. His combo also grants himself 100 passive instantly even through shields if he needs to contest or run it down, because his tank form does very good damage.
Peni is a bunker tank. She's not goid on taking things as you said but her hold it the best of all the tanks. Other tanks are good for other roles like Cap is a good advancing tank and Dr strange is a good all rounder tank. People just needs to learn their situation and learn their roles
19:46 I wished his left arm ability would let him swing somewhere or maybe an additional ability would be so cool if he was able to have a mini swing like Spidey
Gonna be honest, I saw his kit and assumed Mister Fantastic was a tank. It took someone literally saying he was a dps for me to actually look at his health and notice that he was not in fact a tank. He should receive a buff in health and be categorized as a vanguard honestly.
@ragefacememeaholic5366 but he's not weak as it is. You're talking about giving a very large unnecessary buff to a character in order to fit him into a category that the devs didn't even put him in. Wouldn't it make more sense to just acknowledge that these sorts of labels are flexible and not overly important?
18:58 to your little comments on mr fantastic. I'd say he plays more like a tank and a dps because he is a hybrid. if you're complaining about his range not being long enough its because you aren't playing him correctly, he has literal godmode in multiple different forms, as long as you deal enough damage you are going to be nearly impossible to beat. He honestly needs a slight nerf in his current form from what i've seen, I've been able to absolutely destroy teams with him.
As a fellow Mr. Fantastic main. I don't agree at all. He feels just fine. Personally I feel like his regular stretch punch needs a fix. Cause it is a little finicky. Sometimes the damage registers when you do the drag sometimes it doesn't at longer ranges. That just throws me off so much.
Mr. Fantastic is an amazing Backline Defense. Heavy counters Magik, BP, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. He can also assist the tank in the front line if backline is safe
Fantastic is to trick dps players into playing tank. If you have one tank and no one else can fill tank then fantastic can be that half fill that dps players can still manage properly without dying.
Mr. Fantastic is really weird to place truly. He dies really fast if caught offguard once his buffed state ends. He feels toned down on release on purpose. He deals basically vanguard levels of damage while having duelist base hp. If they buff his damage he will be too op. He probably should deal more damage considering how "deep" he has to play. He has striking similarities with Thor in the way they work in a comp, except more pokey less divey.
This opinion on Mr. Fantastic feels A LOT like it's falling on the same pitfall as Wolverine's, focusing on what this character can't do that other DPS can INSTEAD of focusing on what he can do that other DPS can't.
This could be a hybrid GOATs meta with Mr fantastic. I’ve played against a comp with strange and magneto and mr. Fantastic then I’ve seen a mag Thor and Mr fantastic all with a dive type hero like a BP or psylocke and then two supports. (Saw these comps being played in high gold lobbies after season reset on day 1).
as someone who has gotten lord on mr.fantastic by exclusively one tricking him in diamond rank, i can say that he has brief moments of greatness but is severely held back by the overall jank of his kit. He has insane end lag on cancelling big form and after the ult which gets you killed when you really need to flat stanley (block) key cooldowns. His ult is ok at forcing cooldowns but is weaker than pretty much every dps ult and meta tank ults. The one area he is ok at is peeling with block and extra hp, as well as his displacement, but he is not enough to stop a full dive composition from taking out the backline. his displacement tools are completely ruined by los and shields as it causes the tether to break, and he doesnt immediately gain shield when he hits full elasticity, which gets you killed a lot when you are trying to low hp e to get to 100 elastic, as it takes about a half second to gain the tank mode shields. he does shine in extended brawls / ot clutch ups when its down to 1 to 2 characters per team dueling, but those scenarios are not common and the overall jank of his ability cooldowns don't guarantee that he would get value in those scenarios. also the hidden debuff is that your team is going to flame you and play on tilt for playing him as well in high elo- don't say i didnt warn you
Mr fantastic is backline support. He sits back with the healers and protects them from dives. His whole thing is to mainly shield his team mates, preferably the supports and to put out damage and block while being healed by them when someone comes at them. He works well with 2 supports to protect. You still need 1 other tank up front. He works well with offensive supports like rocket, mantis, loke, adam warlock, because he ads to thier backline dps. Except, ya know, wolverine still owns him here. Wolverine is prety much his hard counter.
I agree with the Iron Fist neeeding a buff. I actually enjoyed his feel as an assassin character, but compared to other DPS characters, he is the absolute worst in all categories.
even in ranked, like 70 or 80% are under plat rank and there you can ping as much as you want your team will never turn back to look at the iron fist farming you
I had a lord iron fist on my team in gold and he went 3-12 while the rest of us were doing good. What i dont understand is how do you perform that horrible when your whole team is getting kills and holding objectives without you. Trashcan single handily lost us the game.
Because the character itself is trash. One needs to be so much better than everyone else in the lobby to get good value out of him. If a player is average at best, then they're most likely gonna struggle. This is why some high elo iron fist players can turn the tides of a match if they swap... because the character is awful and they CAN play characters who bring more value much more easily.
I think phd luffy with invisible milf can be a tank. But then he needs an agro tank to keep the enemies stressed. That would be thor. This comp however needs 2 very high damaging dps, so that would be hela and starlord/panther and loki as the last sp.
Spiderman and Iron Fist buffs need to be well thought out. They can easily dominate lower lobbies and any buff could ruin the game for 75% of your player base. Noob Stomp chatacters don't need to be balanced to be viable for the competitive E-sport level of 0.01% of top players.
Moon knight gets to run around doing tons of fucking damage with minimal skill or awareness and even then gets an ultr buff. C&D literally take 0 skill to aim with and get their entire kit buffed. Spiderman is one of the hardest heroes to use, and gets 0 value from it
As a Psylocke main, I feel like with a bit of practice she’s one of the most lethal close range heroes in the game. I’ve gotten to a point where I string together some crazy combos just off of instinct from playing her consistently. This is one game I think buffs and nerfs won’t matter quite as much as the skill of the user.
Mr Fantastic (also Thor tbh) adheres to the dev's philosophy that just because is a character in a particular role that doesn't mean they're hard stuck to that role's expectations. Treat Mr Fantastic as a Vanguard who can easily bounce back and forth to the front and backlines of the team with two target dashes, a hook to pull people out of position or yank escaping divers, a tanky "Hulk mode" without a Hulk leap, and an invul mode that soaks up 300 damage that you could redirect to another target (aim at squishies) and you'll find better success. Also his attacks are melee so can hit through Strange and Magneto shields. Ult sucks but has some solid utility. In the event of a 1-3-2 comp or what have you, he can double as half tank half dps. He's obnoxiously hard to get rid of and self sufficient but not able to be ignored either. Likewise I found better success with Thor when playing him with a duelist mindset.
Mr. Fantastic is best played in tandem with another dive whether it’s a tank or DPS. Really shines when the dive has good mobility and the Mr. Fantastic understands how to capitalize on that with his grappling after teammates
Brooo, been living by these vids since Ow2 launched brother. Thanks for all the good info. Haven't been able to climb out of gold 3 silver 2 to save my life but that's a skill time issue cause my man's parted all the good knowledge know how.!
Mr fantastic has no mobility? Are you just yapping, The man has a dash that stores 2 charges on a melee tank buster. You shouldn’t be playing 2 tanks + Fantastic, he’s intended to be played as a secondary tank.
@ Mr Fantastic isn’t designed to do that though and it was shown in his character reveal spotlight lol. That’s like saying “Venom just doesn’t have enough heals to be a good healer”
@@coach_mills Many tanks are slow. This did not stop magneto from being incredible. Mr. fantastic fast enough to get where he needs to be by just grabbing people.
I do agree that he could fit in the 2nd tank role. My point was there is not existing spot for his kit and can't slot into any old compositions. If he is good, it's gonna be with something new we innovate, not the old comps. As for Invisible Woman, she can slot right in so it's easier to evaluate her
I think Mr. Fantastic is supposed to play on his tank’s hip to bust up groups of enemies with his cleave. It doesn’t seem super useful yet as there’s so many better options, but whipping his arms into a team to the sound of multiple hit markers is kinda satisfying
I get that you probably dont experience mid and low tier gameplay. But in those, people cant aim and counter fast moving dives. A half decent spiderman or ironfist can completely carry in those categories right now. If they received buff the they would decimate the lobbies of 70% of the playerbase even further. There is a fine balancing act that netease has to do to balance the entire playerbase, sure some characters suck in high elo but they are crazy in low or vice versa. If they balance everything for high elo then the game can get significantly worse for the larger playerbase.
Mate I get how they are really good and oppressive in low elo but the balancing of the game will always be around or favoured towards how good a character is in high elo . This is because them being really good in low elo is based mostly of skill issues of people going against them rather than the actual character itself
Captain America and Mr. Fantastic goes insane. You can let Reed back shot you and give you shield while your sprinting forwards gaining distance. Then you can just terrorize back lines and soak up damage. Been testing it out and I think Reed can replace venom in terms of damage mitigation and damage they do. I’m not saying it’s the best but the opposing team has to solve this problem first before they can actually advance on point or always be pushing forward
I think iron fist is strong people just haven’t figured it out yet besides a couple of guys. He has one of the highest winrates in high elo. I thought he was ass at first too. I think the devs know he is strong as well so they aren’t going to buff him and just let people figure it out.
Your Hawkeye analysis is wrong. Dive doesn't work against Hawkeye. Hawkeye's crescent slash hits at 180 angle and knocks all enemies 15m away. Coupled with his Skyward Leap Hawkeye at any given time can and will make a 30 meter gap from all threats. This is the largest space making combo in basically any hero shooter. It requires you to do a 2-hero coordinated staggered dive strat just to deal with one hero. Hawkeye is actually OVERKITTED relative to other ranged heroes. Blackwidow has less than half his abilities. Hawkeye just overshadows his own busted kit with his busted primary fire.
Personally i would change only three things in the game. _ Panther should be given more projectiles option so he can still be a bit more active when waiting for his cooldowns. He relies too much on his abilities and 1 miss leads him to death. _ Spidey has too much to handle. And i blame the swinging system putting together both the swing and the dash movement together. Those two should be separated. _ Widow fire rate should be increased when she hipfires. Two tap before reloading would do it. _ Dps holding weapons such as, B. Widow, Star Lord, Punisher should lower their weapon when after some time they aint shooting. Just like Banner when he isnt. Its just esthetics.
I think the buffs just brought the weaker characters into competition with the already strong ones. More than the nerfs brought them down. And honestly it feels good
I agree that Iron Fist needs tweaking. But I dont think a straight buff is the way to go. A lot of people like to speak in terms of straight buffs or straight nerfs, but a lot of it is balancing. I think Iron Fist needs a buff to his TTK with a tweak to his overall survivability. Probably something like Black Panther where he gets more survivability for properly landing his combos, and his meditate ability is just a basic heal. But also nerf him by making his combos require more precision to make him a rewarding character for those who learn him. He needs to be able to be played in high ranks while not completely steamrolling lower elos, like Hela and Hawkeye have been doing. There are millions of players who arent trying to get to grandmaster, or who cannot get to grandmaster, who also need to be able to enjoy the game for the game to survive. I also absolutely believe they need to work on a better ban system and implement it across all of ranked.
Meanwhile Moonknight gets forgotten and he is really damn good right now, not even mentioning the fact he can out dmg a luna ult now, he feels so good now and his ult is legit deadly, its actually hard NOT to get a kill with it anymore
So like… have you actually played Mr. Fantastic? He’s an incredible off tank/damage hero. He has a gap closer with is paired with a shield that he can use twice, it has a low cool down, he has CC with his right click and his ultimate, an invulnerability state and with Invisible Woman he has a pretty massive shield. His overall damage is nasty, in a good way, where you can even move his arm post punch to hit other targets or if they move out of the way.
nah, ive gotten lord on mr.fantastic, but he has so many problematic pain points that make him super weak. he has self inflicted stun on ult and demech which completely ruin any sort of adaptive play with block. his ult is severely low impact and half the time kills you with the end lag on it. He doesnt instantly gain shields at 100 elastic which gets you killed a bunch. he has brief moments of greatness in extended team fights where he can clutch up and outplay with but the overall jankyness of his kit holds him so far back from what he was intended for.
The only problem with this game is how hard it is to buff and nerf characters where everyone is happy. Because for instance, Iron Fist, he’s a character where in a quick play lobby or a low rank lobby which is 99% of the game he’s crazy because the teams are not organized, you don’t have good healers who know what they’re doing, and the accuracy of players is worse and won’t kill him as easily, so for 99% of the game they would want Iron Fist to be nerfed, but for the 1% of players who are in the top ranks of the game Iron fist will get no use because the healers and team organization is so much better and iron fist can’t do damage fast enough before the person he’s trying to kill is fully healed by a high level healer who knows what they’re doing. And this can be applied to so many other characters in the game, which makes the game very annoying at some points because you get into lobbies where an iron fist or a different character wipes a lobby or where the character is just absolutely useless.
IMO Mr fantastic is broken I’ve had more than a few 40kill games w him. I like that tanky hybrid n low key hes invincible w the right comp. Kinda techy to keep your shields up while diving and trying to keep line of sight with a support but if those things work out you can def carry. Shid ive even had some successful team wipe dives without those things. Ig he can’t truly “carry” bc u need a s tier support on the team
The black panther nerf imo needed to happen if they touched helas health. You see often and hela was toucher because you need an extended combo or to poke her before engage. Now she is one shottable. An indirect buff. And he has less bonus health overall. Sounds like a fair tradeoff to be able to one shot one of the most annoying characters for me.
As incredible as it may seem, I feel like Black Widow has become a great hitscam option, but she's much more difficult to play correctly than people think. What I noticed is that the best, and even me, get great results with it playing closer, aggressive, Faze Testy or Metaphor style.
I don't think Iron Fist and Spider-Man need big buffs, they do well where they are supposed to do well: casual play in lower elos. They are noob stompers and they are stomping noobs in bronze to gold. It makes sense that higher elos can actually counter them. You make that worse and the majority might suffer, let's not fall into the trappings of only looking at the how the top 10% plays for balancing.
Maybe mr fantastic will good when you are the attacker on cart maps and need to break through the first engagement where the enemy team is spawn camping you? But even than it's not like that's something ppl really struggled with.
I think the reason players don’t like 1 shots is because it’s inherently unfair like the counter play is the Hawkeye has to mess up or miss its the same reason Yasuo got nurfed
As a Peni main i do agree this is not her season compared to S0. With all the buffs to non flank characters she's going to be less powerful because people are picking other characters more. The number one thing for me tho is probably because of mr fantastic like imagine those places where peni is good and then a mr fantastic just running through your defences with widemode or bigmode, its free real estate. The one time and place you shine and he just doesn't care and that's that, only place you can defend space in that case would be high ground which makes her even more niche. She didn't need a counter pick imo but she got one. Tho in S0 there was definitely a difference in skill between the occasional only on defence Peni and people who one trick her. Got to Diamond 1 playing just Peni and almost never felt like i was dead weight. but don't see the same happening in S1 tbh.
Spiderman needs buffs to his uptime. Speed up the charge of his web clusters and swings, lower get over here cooldown, and maybe a slight meele damage buff. I think his problem is that hes out of the fight way too often to be as useful as other dps. GM Lord Spidey btw.
For qp mr fantastic is pretty good at filling in thor or pennis spot as an offtank i think people are sleeping on his potential to make a heavy tank composition like a goats
I've been going crazy with Mr. Fantastic... If you're not playing him like an off tank you're not gonna have a good time though he's not a damage character despite what category he's in. And idk why you're saying he doesn't have mobility I'd say two charges of his E being able to hop to teammates is insanely mobile, if you're stuck in a position with no teammates around you're setting yourself up for failure he's no flanker.
I very much like these little balance changes because in other games like LoL they often nerfed a good character to the ground so it was unplayable. So I like the changes are made carefully.
Would ask for u to articulate exactly what buffs and nerfs we're actually getting w/ the characters before giving ur opinion on what the changes mean, for future videos
Mr fantastic can pull himself to any character. Can infinitely build his own shield. But I agree that his movement is lackluster, wish his jump would launch him in the air, since he can just stretch out his legs
I’ve just started using mr fantastic and he’s kinda weak sauce but still fun. I’m seeing way more penni players now and it’s so annoying. Great vid dude keep it up.
The hero that should've been added to this video is Scarlet WItch. She had the lowest pick rate in Season 0 in high ranked, and will probably remain so.
As an old fart with a bow personality quirk I gotta say hawkeye's not very viable for low level play anymore. Maybe pros with autism bordering information processing can squeeze something out of him, but for me and the rest of the early stage Parkinsons crowd if we want to snipe, we are better off with Black Widow. While I can acknowledge my personal bias here, I also have to say balancing around pro play has never done any game favours in the long run (well maybe LoL but I have a feeling they are losing players as well lately)
Competitive as a solo is pointless. Loading is horrendous. Matches start while people are stuck at 99% loading. Cheaters. The matchmaking system doesn't work. My friends and I have been trying to play the game for two days and finally gave up. We'll try again in a couple months.
I hope they buff psylocks movement somehow. She was already a really well balanced dps and her ult was kinda dogwater before the nerf. She doesn't need more dmg necessarily but she does feel slow
21:27 i’m not exactly sure where the middle is at this point because of how many tears they added with their being eternity, one above all grandmaster, etc. but no one below diamond is going to have consistent synergy teamwork to even deal with an iron fist and the concept of him not being good because teamwork can easily kill him is ultimately flawed and kind of dumb cause it all hinges on the fact that I would have teamwork to work with in the first place meeting by myself and I’m a DPS man I’m I straight up get my ass beat by iron fist because he just instantly pulls me and I’m not exactly getting help even if my teammates are right next to me and it hinges all on me to kill this iron fist
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invalid link, guess i missed out lol. I feel like if I really hit a training routine hard I could improve. many moons ago Halo 3 was a thing. Many many many moons ago lol. Been maining Jeff (I'm sure that's a mistake somewhere) but having tons of fun dousing my team in my sharky fluids lmfao
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@ Try again, seems to be working
I like that they don't knee-jerk nerf like a lot of people want. It's annoying when competitive games just do musical chairs and destroy characters and over buff characters.
Problem so tho is overwhelmiggly frustrating and unrealistic u get popped out of the air
Nah I agree with you but Hawkeye needs another damage nerf or a range fall off or something. No reason he should be able to sit in the very back and basically 2 shot tanks
It'll piss people off if it's unbalanced, people with a life will leave
@@speaknoevil7697is this ow damage control? Ow was its most fun when it was new. It used to be more like paper rock scissors. Now they prioritize “balance” over fun, and it’s not fun anymore. Brigitte was the beginning of the end.
Well it's the first patch since the game been fully out. More nerfs can come overtime.
Whenever a Spiderman locks in immediately in a comp game before seeing anyone else's picks, I just mentally understand it's now a 7v5 and I'm probably going to lose.
I mean their is that 1% that just go ape shit on him drop a casual 40/5 I has happens once to
Me
Spider-Man is odee when it's against you though of course 😂😂. Like i had a Spiderman on a team when we won the convoy. I swear I only healed Spider-Man like once at the beginning of the match. Never saw him again. He went 44 2 5 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Like blud was WILDIN on his dolo
@@Why_TABGthose players would not be at my rank.
If a Spiderman is really good he's literally unhittable and snatches you out of the backline in seconds
@@nijegoyes!
I think people need to stop thinking of Mr. Fantastic as a DPS but as an Off Tank. I genuinely don’t know why they made him a DPS (other than tricking DPS into playing Tank) as he’s literally just a great OT and all rounder. He can peel amazingly because not only can he quickly reposition with his grab, but it also provides a shield so that the target can survive the dive. He does good midrange “poke” when not inflated that can multi hit, and when inflated, he hits like a truck in close range. Has a pseudo invuln that also counters all CC. And his ult, while the weaker part of his kit, disrupts the enemy team while slowing them significantly. He’s solid and I think people are being too quick to judge him, just like they did with Wolverine.
He's definitely great but greatly relies on other players knowing how to play with him as he has a big push and pull playstyle. The team needs to be aware of what state he's in, and therefore know when to push with or pull back.
YUP It's brilliant, actually. I believe the addition of hybrid heroes make the game more enjoyable
In Doom Matches, I've used his LShift to kill countless others using their ult against them. His LShift should be used similiarly to Iron Fist's right-click mechanic.
That’s how I see him as well. A good mid to close range off tank that’s extremely versatile.
I like to mix him on the frontline trying to deposition enemy tanks and such and heading back to my backline to protect support from flankers. His dash like ability can help support survive and its hard to fight support as a bp or something with an 800 hp dps harassing you as well
Honestly I have been so happy about the nerfs/buffs. The devs didn't neuter anyone, and they brought others in line with top performers. Gives me hope that this game won't just be an endless cycle of patch notes meta
i kinda wish they kept wanda terrible because an auto aim character shouldnt be as a good as others
they massively overbuffed Bucky tho this guy is completely broken, I can't begin to understand why they touched him. Other than that, yeah quite a good patch
They nerfed the punishers grapple. That was dumb.
@delirium8172 wanda is still terrible
@ yea but now shes just more annoying i hope she stays terrible
Kinda funny how everyone ranks Peni as D tier but she has a higher than 50% win percentage basically at every tier
I think those people dont know how to play her. Like this guy says she is only good for defending is so wrong.
She’s easy to play honestly don’t make her good
I main Penni...
I do more damage than some of the duelists on my team....
People don't know how to play her
her hole kit free damg
Im guessing its because shes really good at lower ranks and at higher ranks people only play her into dive comps which shes crazy into
Funny thing about these tier lists.
"Iron fist. One thing you realize is as players get better he's just not that good."
The video i saw right before this.
"How I decimated an eternity lobby with iron fist"
Lmao. Just play the game people. Play and get good at whoever you want. Yes, even Jeff lol.
I don't think these tier lists are worthless. Especially for support, it's very useful to know which ones have the highest carry potential, but also, the style of play at the highest level will change with time, too.
"Wolverine is D tier, guys. Trust me I'm an OW expert"
A month later:
"So I was wrong about wolverine guys!!!! What a surprise!!!!"
Tier lists in a nutshell. Always take them with a grain of salt, especially when these "pros" publish it within a few days of new seasons.
yeah and that Iron fist in eternity video had no clickbait whatsoever and was definitely your average Iron Fist game when no stars aligned and he didn't pop off out of his mind
@@nox6497to be fair the game just released back then
Thing is.. all you really need to make sure on Iron Fist is their healers are separated. If they can't heal each other, he'll get a pick. And more importantly, he can distract.
But then again.. if you wanted to do that, there are better choices. Still, if he's fun to you, then play him. He'll probably get a buff one day anyway.
These UA-camrs need to stop talking about balance from the perspective of “the highest levels of play”. This is 5% of the player base. People can already carry lobbies through lower levels with Iron Fist, Widow, Spider Man .. make these any stronger and it just gets oppressive. And these levels dont get the benefit of hero bans (for some reason). Every game in Plat last season had Hawk and Hela, which was super annoying to climb through. Bans should start in Plat.
This is exactly what im saying. Ive seen a Storm carry, ive seen a Scarlet witch frag out. Its just the top 5% play the same freakin team comp and it becomes boring. Youre right, buffs or nerfs should be considered for the overall majority
@@aznballaboi4life Yes and so these "tier list" videos just make everyone toxic if you pick any of these "don't play" characters even though you can probably carry the lobby with them. And on the flip side everyone starts playing all the OP comps and the rest of us aren't afforded the ability to ban them. It's already getting stale.
i still have the hopes supports below diamond turn on their monitors
Competitive gaming ruined gaming
This is true. That's one of the reasons I stopped playing Overwatch. It got tweaked all the time and they gave priority to the pros. These games are successful because of the casual players.
if you pay for marvel rivals coaching that’s gotta be rock bottom
😂😂😂
I like the light handed tweaky approach they are taking with buffs and nerfs. Small changes to bring characters in line, instead of nerfing stuff into the ground.
Storm went from arguably worst to arguably best, so this makes no sense
@@fangiscool1 shes an outlier
Penni parker is the most fun character design for a tank. I dont care if i throw on attack, playing her zipping on top throwing mines will never be not fun
Tell me your a bot without saying you’re a bot
@@charlielyall1189 penni is fun and unique, why are you so miserable
@@charlielyall1189i mean they're right she is fun id say the only tsnk that may be more fun is venom
nothing is as satisfying as the sound of of your mine randomly killing a backliner
@charlielyall1189 yeah and the shtter crutching on meta stuff (you) isnt a bot? Ahahaha
I think the reason that you're struggling to see Mister Fantastic's value is because you are looking at this game as if it's OW and using its' 3 role categories. I think trying to stick to rigid ideas of poke, dive, shield, brawl, etc from OW is doing a disservice to their unique character designs.
The community has been praising Rivals for its' innovation; part of that innovation may come with new classifications within each role that we have never seen before. Instead of fitting heroes into pre-existing boxes, Rivals has already proven they'll just make more boxes.
GOT EM
I've played a little bit of Mr. Fantastic, and I feel like he's almost a lite-Vanguard character. Especially when you pair him with Sue and you use the extra shield, he's really good at harassing the other team's front line.
You feel like that while these people already know just by seeing his trailer before release bud..
He is😅
I have to disagree with the take on Jeff’s ultimate here. Although I do agree his ultimate is typically used as a gimmick and a cheese, it’s probably the best ultimate to have when you need to clear a point in overtime. All players on a point either have to leave the point or get swallowed (forcing them off the point). It’s situational, sure. But I’ve won countless matches by doing this.
Plus he got a good healing buff.
I agree that other support characters are a lot better at a lot of things but he can be very good and he’s basically unlikable lol.
daggers right click and jeffs ult is useless
@ by “right click” you mean Lightforce Daggers? Her main heal ability? Okay then.
Jeff’s ultimate clears points completely off in overtime.
that's not true, i like jeff a lot
@@FREKKI No he's talking about the one that makes the whole team untouchable obviously, I used to think Jeffs ult was busted too but after a week I realized there's so many abilities that counter it if your enemies are smart enough
@@matthias5152 Wut duh hell you yappin bout?
Here's how you Mr.Fantastic. L click> animcancel right click > left click > E > E. Youre now in dmg mode, wreck face with your extra HP and shielding. Once that's over immediately Shift into invul, and fall back to your back line for any support. Now your cooldowns are back, rinse, repeat. For your ult, dont use it without being Super sized, and full health/shield. You'll survive better.
I have played Peni a lot in this season and she is still strong. There is more to her than just laying spider mine traps. I have been successful with her escorting the vehicle as well as defending. Sure I'd rather defend and hold a choke point position but Peni is a lot more than defense only. She is capable of taking objectives on domination modes too. Of course if the team is weak she'll struggle but what hero doesn't when the team is weak overall. :D
If you're with a team that understands she's not a front line tank, she does great. If you're with a team that all want to fall behind you, then you're going to find yourself in so many 1v6 moments cause your team is too far back to be helpful
@@Cahalith180PREACH
@Cahalith180 she definitely plays more like a strategist than the other vanguards. One of the reasons I love this game, is that most heros feel like combos. There are few and far between where a single role feels like it's 100% that. If you're using her kit to suppress the right targets and calling shots so your team can focus fire important targets she's phenomenal. And constant damage. I usually top dps with penni purely because I'll keep it coming whIle my duelist find the right shots/off angles.
Peni is goated I honestly don't get the hate from so many creators.
@@noahmcclellan4372 Saying a character is below average or needs a buff is not hating on them it's just saying the truth
I cant believe ppl thought iron fist was broken, literally just play him in any rank above plat and you'll see why he needed a buff.
80% of players are below Plat. Time to start believing why most opinions on the games balance fall on deaf ears. Another reason is those same players watch youtubers who say dagger is meta and mantis isn't. When iron fist starts fisting and you don't have cc. He will feel very broken.
Yeah iron fist is not broken. Hes only effective against someone if he initiates a 1v1 against someone with significantly less brute strength. Once youre 3 ppl or 2 , hes done for
I think you are looking at mr fantastic from the wrong lens. He is quite good in the off tank role. He doesn't compare to groot, strange, or magnito because he isn't the same type of character. I think he more closely resembles thor and hulk, who both contest the off angles, stop the dives, and have their own dive potential. Mr. Fantastic obviously doesn't have quite the same mobility as hulk, but it is pretty comparable to thor. To add to the thor comparison, he is also roughly just as tanky as thor is with all of his bonus health plus his reflector
I'd say more tanky than Thor but he doesn't bring the same level of damage or cc
Mr.Fantastic is a good tank slayer, can solo any dps, kill healers and hold down the point for a fair amount of time solo
The wrong what now? :p
I'll repost this from another comment thread. You and I agree on this
*I do agree that he could fit in the 2nd tank role. My point was there is not existing spot for his kit and can't slot into any old compositions. If he is good, it's gonna be with something new we innovate, not the old comps. As for Invisible Woman, she can slot right in so it's easier to evaluate her
The things Mr fantastic does other tanks do better
Mr Fantastic excels at peeling for his backline as a passive DPS/off tank, much like Namor's anti dive. However instead of turrets, he bounces to his supports, grants both of them bonus health then drags the diving hero away. His combo also grants himself 100 passive instantly even through shields if he needs to contest or run it down, because his tank form does very good damage.
Peni is a bunker tank. She's not goid on taking things as you said but her hold it the best of all the tanks. Other tanks are good for other roles like Cap is a good advancing tank and Dr strange is a good all rounder tank. People just needs to learn their situation and learn their roles
19:46 I wished his left arm ability would let him swing somewhere or maybe an additional ability would be so cool if he was able to have a mini swing like Spidey
Don't listen to em use Jeff specifically the enemy team
Gonna be honest, I saw his kit and assumed Mister Fantastic was a tank. It took someone literally saying he was a dps for me to actually look at his health and notice that he was not in fact a tank. He should receive a buff in health and be categorized as a vanguard honestly.
Yeah you're tripping bro. Mr fantastic is the perfect balance between tanky and damage.
@egozttb72 im loving mr fantastic but the guy is kinda right. We just need more tanks cuz nobody likes to play tank
To what end? Does he feel too low on health right now? I don't see it.
@@lucaswilliams7280 The health buff is so he is in line with the other tanks.
@ragefacememeaholic5366 but he's not weak as it is. You're talking about giving a very large unnecessary buff to a character in order to fit him into a category that the devs didn't even put him in.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just acknowledge that these sorts of labels are flexible and not overly important?
I swear spider-mans that i go against are ALWAYS GOATED
18:58 to your little comments on mr fantastic. I'd say he plays more like a tank and a dps because he is a hybrid. if you're complaining about his range not being long enough its because you aren't playing him correctly, he has literal godmode in multiple different forms, as long as you deal enough damage you are going to be nearly impossible to beat. He honestly needs a slight nerf in his current form from what i've seen, I've been able to absolutely destroy teams with him.
As a fellow Mr. Fantastic main. I don't agree at all. He feels just fine. Personally I feel like his regular stretch punch needs a fix. Cause it is a little finicky. Sometimes the damage registers when you do the drag sometimes it doesn't at longer ranges. That just throws me off so much.
Peni had the best win rate for season 0 and had no nerfs. So it's horrible advice for this guy to say not to play her.
That’s not true mantis was the highest WR
@Since when mantis is a Vanguard you muppet?
He didn't say vangard mrs piggy@@Regalya
Mr. Fantastic is an amazing Backline Defense. Heavy counters Magik, BP, Spider-Man, and Wolverine. He can also assist the tank in the front line if backline is safe
Fantastic is to trick dps players into playing tank. If you have one tank and no one else can fill tank then fantastic can be that half fill that dps players can still manage properly without dying.
Mr. Fantastic is really weird to place truly. He dies really fast if caught offguard once his buffed state ends. He feels toned down on release on purpose. He deals basically vanguard levels of damage while having duelist base hp. If they buff his damage he will be too op. He probably should deal more damage considering how "deep" he has to play. He has striking similarities with Thor in the way they work in a comp, except more pokey less divey.
This opinion on Mr. Fantastic feels A LOT like it's falling on the same pitfall as Wolverine's, focusing on what this character can't do that other DPS can INSTEAD of focusing on what he can do that other DPS can't.
Hawkeye's biggest nerf is that they fixed the hitbox on his arrows. You actually have to shoot people in the head now, not just vaguely near it.
This could be a hybrid GOATs meta with Mr fantastic. I’ve played against a comp with strange and magneto and mr. Fantastic then I’ve seen a mag Thor and Mr fantastic all with a dive type hero like a BP or psylocke and then two supports. (Saw these comps being played in high gold lobbies after season reset on day 1).
but in both these cases a venom or thor/cap would probably do better
@ you’re not wrong but I think we just need time to see the full potential of Mr. Fantastic. In the right hands he is very tanky
as someone who has gotten lord on mr.fantastic by exclusively one tricking him in diamond rank, i can say that he has brief moments of greatness but is severely held back by the overall jank of his kit. He has insane end lag on cancelling big form and after the ult which gets you killed when you really need to flat stanley (block) key cooldowns. His ult is ok at forcing cooldowns but is weaker than pretty much every dps ult and meta tank ults. The one area he is ok at is peeling with block and extra hp, as well as his displacement, but he is not enough to stop a full dive composition from taking out the backline.
his displacement tools are completely ruined by los and shields as it causes the tether to break, and he doesnt immediately gain shield when he hits full elasticity, which gets you killed a lot when you are trying to low hp e to get to 100 elastic, as it takes about a half second to gain the tank mode shields.
he does shine in extended brawls / ot clutch ups when its down to 1 to 2 characters per team dueling, but those scenarios are not common and the overall jank of his ability cooldowns don't guarantee that he would get value in those scenarios.
also the hidden debuff is that your team is going to flame you and play on tilt for playing him as well in high elo- don't say i didnt warn you
Lord already?!?
Mr fantastic is backline support. He sits back with the healers and protects them from dives. His whole thing is to mainly shield his team mates, preferably the supports and to put out damage and block while being healed by them when someone comes at them. He works well with 2 supports to protect. You still need 1 other tank up front. He works well with offensive supports like rocket, mantis, loke, adam warlock, because he ads to thier backline dps.
Except, ya know, wolverine still owns him here. Wolverine is prety much his hard counter.
I agree with the Iron Fist neeeding a buff. I actually enjoyed his feel as an assassin character, but compared to other DPS characters, he is the absolute worst in all categories.
10% of the community plays comp if even. Spiderman and iron fist don’t get buffs because they’re broken in quick play when nobody is squaded up
I would say it’s much more than 10 % more like 40% 60% split. meaning that about 40% of the playerbase plays competitive regularly
Bro just pulling numbers from his butt 😂😂😂 where you get 10 from?
@@nef2k I hit Silver I last night and it said I was placed higher than 80% of the server on PS5 so idk man
even in ranked, like 70 or 80% are under plat rank and there you can ping as much as you want your team will never turn back to look at the iron fist farming you
idk about that stat, I feel like most people play comp just much lower levels where these characters are still problematic
I had a lord iron fist on my team in gold and he went 3-12 while the rest of us were doing good. What i dont understand is how do you perform that horrible when your whole team is getting kills and holding objectives without you. Trashcan single handily lost us the game.
Because the character itself is trash. One needs to be so much better than everyone else in the lobby to get good value out of him. If a player is average at best, then they're most likely gonna struggle.
This is why some high elo iron fist players can turn the tides of a match if they swap... because the character is awful and they CAN play characters who bring more value much more easily.
I think phd luffy with invisible milf can be a tank. But then he needs an agro tank to keep the enemies stressed. That would be thor. This comp however needs 2 very high damaging dps, so that would be hela and starlord/panther and loki as the last sp.
I don't think Thor has the mobility or the survivability for aggro. Cap is able to adapt to most situations as long as his team communicates
Spiderman and Iron Fist buffs need to be well thought out.
They can easily dominate lower lobbies and any buff could ruin the game for 75% of your player base.
Noob Stomp chatacters don't need to be balanced to be viable for the competitive E-sport level of 0.01% of top players.
true, me being the noob that lose vs spiderman all the time at least i can counter iron fist now
Moon knight gets to run around doing tons of fucking damage with minimal skill or awareness and even then gets an ultr buff. C&D literally take 0 skill to aim with and get their entire kit buffed. Spiderman is one of the hardest heroes to use, and gets 0 value from it
Marvel Rivals is my first hero shooter, am now in Silver. Regardless of any tier list, I think Jeff is best for beginners.😂
As a Psylocke main, I feel like with a bit of practice she’s one of the most lethal close range heroes in the game. I’ve gotten to a point where I string together some crazy combos just off of instinct from playing her consistently. This is one game I think buffs and nerfs won’t matter quite as much as the skill of the user.
Mr Fantastic (also Thor tbh) adheres to the dev's philosophy that just because is a character in a particular role that doesn't mean they're hard stuck to that role's expectations.
Treat Mr Fantastic as a Vanguard who can easily bounce back and forth to the front and backlines of the team with two target dashes, a hook to pull people out of position or yank escaping divers, a tanky "Hulk mode" without a Hulk leap, and an invul mode that soaks up 300 damage that you could redirect to another target (aim at squishies) and you'll find better success. Also his attacks are melee so can hit through Strange and Magneto shields. Ult sucks but has some solid utility. In the event of a 1-3-2 comp or what have you, he can double as half tank half dps. He's obnoxiously hard to get rid of and self sufficient but not able to be ignored either.
Likewise I found better success with Thor when playing him with a duelist mindset.
Cap is for me the most fun hero
Mr. Fantastic is best played in tandem with another dive whether it’s a tank or DPS. Really shines when the dive has good mobility and the Mr. Fantastic understands how to capitalize on that with his grappling after teammates
Brooo, been living by these vids since Ow2 launched brother. Thanks for all the good info. Haven't been able to climb out of gold 3 silver 2 to save my life but that's a skill time issue cause my man's parted all the good knowledge know how.!
Mr fantastic has no mobility? Are you just yapping, The man has a dash that stores 2 charges on a melee tank buster. You shouldn’t be playing 2 tanks + Fantastic, he’s intended to be played as a secondary tank.
I meant *hyper mobility, the type that let's you roam around the map and play many positions like Panther, Psylocke, starlord, etc
@ Mr Fantastic isn’t designed to do that though and it was shown in his character reveal spotlight lol. That’s like saying “Venom just doesn’t have enough heals to be a good healer”
@@coach_mills Many tanks are slow. This did not stop magneto from being incredible. Mr. fantastic fast enough to get where he needs to be by just grabbing people.
I do agree that he could fit in the 2nd tank role. My point was there is not existing spot for his kit and can't slot into any old compositions. If he is good, it's gonna be with something new we innovate, not the old comps. As for Invisible Woman, she can slot right in so it's easier to evaluate her
@ ur point was “10 biggest losers S1 NEVER play” not “will need new comp to play”
I think Mr. Fantastic is supposed to play on his tank’s hip to bust up groups of enemies with his cleave. It doesn’t seem super useful yet as there’s so many better options, but whipping his arms into a team to the sound of multiple hit markers is kinda satisfying
I swear they somehow nerfed Punisher, I'm not dealing the same damage as before. Still gonna main him through _😩😂_
I can't remember the last time I saw an Iron Fist carry. I see more good Black Widows than good Iron Fists lately.
I get that you probably dont experience mid and low tier gameplay. But in those, people cant aim and counter fast moving dives. A half decent spiderman or ironfist can completely carry in those categories right now. If they received buff the they would decimate the lobbies of 70% of the playerbase even further. There is a fine balancing act that netease has to do to balance the entire playerbase, sure some characters suck in high elo but they are crazy in low or vice versa. If they balance everything for high elo then the game can get significantly worse for the larger playerbase.
Mate I get how they are really good and oppressive in low elo but the balancing of the game will always be around or favoured towards how good a character is in high elo . This is because them being really good in low elo is based mostly of skill issues of people going against them rather than the actual character itself
You be surprised mr.fantastic can grab people and move to their location with E key technically so he sort of has mobility 😅
Captain America and Mr. Fantastic goes insane. You can let Reed back shot you and give you shield while your sprinting forwards gaining distance. Then you can just terrorize back lines and soak up damage. Been testing it out and I think Reed can replace venom in terms of damage mitigation and damage they do. I’m not saying it’s the best but the opposing team has to solve this problem first before they can actually advance on point or always be pushing forward
Another person of culture i see. Lol your right
@ game is game 🔥
They said they wanted melee to be more prevalent in the meta, and yet they buff winter soldier and punisher. 😔
I think it’s crazy when you look at the win percentage and higher ELO for iron fist and Penny they are some of the best
I think iron fist is strong people just haven’t figured it out yet besides a couple of guys. He has one of the highest winrates in high elo. I thought he was ass at first too. I think the devs know he is strong as well so they aren’t going to buff him and just let people figure it out.
Your Hawkeye analysis is wrong.
Dive doesn't work against Hawkeye.
Hawkeye's crescent slash hits at 180 angle and knocks all enemies 15m away.
Coupled with his Skyward Leap Hawkeye at any given time can and will make a 30 meter gap from all threats.
This is the largest space making combo in basically any hero shooter.
It requires you to do a 2-hero coordinated staggered dive strat just to deal with one hero.
Hawkeye is actually OVERKITTED relative to other ranged heroes. Blackwidow has less than half his abilities.
Hawkeye just overshadows his own busted kit with his busted primary fire.
Personally i would change only three things in the game.
_ Panther should be given more projectiles option so he can still be a bit more active when waiting for his cooldowns. He relies too much on his abilities and 1 miss leads him to death.
_ Spidey has too much to handle. And i blame the swinging system putting together both the swing and the dash movement together. Those two should be separated.
_ Widow fire rate should be increased when she hipfires. Two tap before reloading would do it.
_ Dps holding weapons such as, B. Widow, Star Lord, Punisher should lower their weapon when after some time they aint shooting. Just like Banner when he isnt. Its just esthetics.
Please keep saying penni is lackluster so people don't play her. And I just climb ranked with her.
Indeed! Propaganda I can get behind!
I think the buffs just brought the weaker characters into competition with the already strong ones. More than the nerfs brought them down. And honestly it feels good
An overview at the end would be nice to see. Kind of like a tier list
I agree that Iron Fist needs tweaking. But I dont think a straight buff is the way to go. A lot of people like to speak in terms of straight buffs or straight nerfs, but a lot of it is balancing. I think Iron Fist needs a buff to his TTK with a tweak to his overall survivability. Probably something like Black Panther where he gets more survivability for properly landing his combos, and his meditate ability is just a basic heal. But also nerf him by making his combos require more precision to make him a rewarding character for those who learn him.
He needs to be able to be played in high ranks while not completely steamrolling lower elos, like Hela and Hawkeye have been doing.
There are millions of players who arent trying to get to grandmaster, or who cannot get to grandmaster, who also need to be able to enjoy the game for the game to survive.
I also absolutely believe they need to work on a better ban system and implement it across all of ranked.
Meanwhile Moonknight gets forgotten and he is really damn good right now, not even mentioning the fact he can out dmg a luna ult now, he feels so good now and his ult is legit deadly, its actually hard NOT to get a kill with it anymore
So like… have you actually played Mr. Fantastic? He’s an incredible off tank/damage hero. He has a gap closer with is paired with a shield that he can use twice, it has a low cool down, he has CC with his right click and his ultimate, an invulnerability state and with Invisible Woman he has a pretty massive shield. His overall damage is nasty, in a good way, where you can even move his arm post punch to hit other targets or if they move out of the way.
nah, ive gotten lord on mr.fantastic, but he has so many problematic pain points that make him super weak. he has self inflicted stun on ult and demech which completely ruin any sort of adaptive play with block. his ult is severely low impact and half the time kills you with the end lag on it. He doesnt instantly gain shields at 100 elastic which gets you killed a bunch. he has brief moments of greatness in extended team fights where he can clutch up and outplay with but the overall jankyness of his kit holds him so far back from what he was intended for.
The only problem with this game is how hard it is to buff and nerf characters where everyone is happy. Because for instance, Iron Fist, he’s a character where in a quick play lobby or a low rank lobby which is 99% of the game he’s crazy because the teams are not organized, you don’t have good healers who know what they’re doing, and the accuracy of players is worse and won’t kill him as easily, so for 99% of the game they would want Iron Fist to be nerfed, but for the 1% of players who are in the top ranks of the game Iron fist will get no use because the healers and team organization is so much better and iron fist can’t do damage fast enough before the person he’s trying to kill is fully healed by a high level healer who knows what they’re doing. And this can be applied to so many other characters in the game, which makes the game very annoying at some points because you get into lobbies where an iron fist or a different character wipes a lobby or where the character is just absolutely useless.
IMO Mr fantastic is broken I’ve had more than a few 40kill games w him. I like that tanky hybrid n low key hes invincible w the right comp. Kinda techy to keep your shields up while diving and trying to keep line of sight with a support but if those things work out you can def carry. Shid ive even had some successful team wipe dives without those things. Ig he can’t truly “carry” bc u need a s tier support on the team
The black panther nerf imo needed to happen if they touched helas health. You see often and hela was toucher because you need an extended combo or to poke her before engage. Now she is one shottable. An indirect buff. And he has less bonus health overall. Sounds like a fair tradeoff to be able to one shot one of the most annoying characters for me.
Bp didn’t need a nerf
As incredible as it may seem, I feel like Black Widow has become a great hitscam option, but she's much more difficult to play correctly than people think. What I noticed is that the best, and even me, get great results with it playing closer, aggressive, Faze Testy or Metaphor style.
I don't think Iron Fist and Spider-Man need big buffs, they do well where they are supposed to do well: casual play in lower elos. They are noob stompers and they are stomping noobs in bronze to gold. It makes sense that higher elos can actually counter them. You make that worse and the majority might suffer, let's not fall into the trappings of only looking at the how the top 10% plays for balancing.
Maybe mr fantastic will good when you are the attacker on cart maps and need to break through the first engagement where the enemy team is spawn camping you? But even than it's not like that's something ppl really struggled with.
I think the reason players don’t like 1 shots is because it’s inherently unfair like the counter play is the Hawkeye has to mess up or miss its the same reason Yasuo got nurfed
I think we're getting a midseason patch. So I'm wondering if they're just seeing if these minor shifts do anything with more to come
No one is unplayable. You can wreck with anybody
If your playing at diamond+ there are 3-4 characters that will get very little value
As a Peni main i do agree this is not her season compared to S0.
With all the buffs to non flank characters she's going to be less powerful because people are picking other characters more.
The number one thing for me tho is probably because of mr fantastic like imagine those places where peni is good and then a mr fantastic just running through your defences with widemode or bigmode, its free real estate.
The one time and place you shine and he just doesn't care and that's that, only place you can defend space in that case would be high ground which makes her even more niche.
She didn't need a counter pick imo but she got one.
Tho in S0 there was definitely a difference in skill between the occasional only on defence Peni and people who one trick her.
Got to Diamond 1 playing just Peni and almost never felt like i was dead weight.
but don't see the same happening in S1 tbh.
Spiderman needs buffs to his uptime. Speed up the charge of his web clusters and swings, lower get over here cooldown, and maybe a slight meele damage buff. I think his problem is that hes out of the fight way too often to be as useful as other dps. GM Lord Spidey btw.
For qp mr fantastic is pretty good at filling in thor or pennis spot as an offtank i think people are sleeping on his potential to make a heavy tank composition like a goats
Hulk, venom, Mr. Fantastic, Luna, invisible woman, Loki seems like it might actually be a good comp if Wolverine is banned.
I've been going crazy with Mr. Fantastic... If you're not playing him like an off tank you're not gonna have a good time though he's not a damage character despite what category he's in. And idk why you're saying he doesn't have mobility I'd say two charges of his E being able to hop to teammates is insanely mobile, if you're stuck in a position with no teammates around you're setting yourself up for failure he's no flanker.
I very much like these little balance changes because in other games like LoL they often nerfed a good character to the ground so it was unplayable. So I like the changes are made carefully.
I 100% agree with Iron Fist. That 1st season is a nightmare for him. Even before he gets so little value
Would ask for u to articulate exactly what buffs and nerfs we're actually getting w/ the characters before giving ur opinion on what the changes mean, for future videos
I started playing mantis in season 1 and I absolutely love her. I deal a ton o damage, heal at least the same as with others AND give dmg buffs
man play who y’all want anybody can carry if y’all good with the character
Mr fantastic can pull himself to any character. Can infinitely build his own shield. But I agree that his movement is lackluster, wish his jump would launch him in the air, since he can just stretch out his legs
They should have left things chaotic. This is how OVW went onto the slippery slope. Fingers crossed we don't get a Brig situation.
What Mister Fantastic lacks in pokes and mobility, he more then makes up for in survivability. He’s (pardon the pun) fantastic in most 1v1 fights
Nah the Hawkeye nerfs are huge, 33% less range on passive? That's absurd
I’ve just started using mr fantastic and he’s kinda weak sauce but still fun. I’m seeing way more penni players now and it’s so annoying. Great vid dude keep it up.
I’ve basically only seen Mr. Fantastic be absolute trash or destroy my entire team without breaking a sweat. No in between.
This is how to properly balance a game, many small changes over time instead of few gigant changes every now and then.
The hero that should've been added to this video is Scarlet WItch. She had the lowest pick rate in Season 0 in high ranked, and will probably remain so.
As an old fart with a bow personality quirk I gotta say hawkeye's not very viable for low level play anymore. Maybe pros with autism bordering information processing can squeeze something out of him, but for me and the rest of the early stage Parkinsons crowd if we want to snipe, we are better off with Black Widow.
While I can acknowledge my personal bias here, I also have to say balancing around pro play has never done any game favours in the long run (well maybe LoL but I have a feeling they are losing players as well lately)
Competitive as a solo is pointless.
Loading is horrendous.
Matches start while people are stuck at 99% loading.
Cheaters.
The matchmaking system doesn't work.
My friends and I have been trying to play the game for two days and finally gave up.
We'll try again in a couple months.
I can't wait for people to start bitching at me in Quick Play because I chose a character someone on youtube told them nobody should play.
I cant believe they didnt touch IronFist
I hope they buff psylocks movement somehow. She was already a really well balanced dps and her ult was kinda dogwater before the nerf.
She doesn't need more dmg necessarily but she does feel slow
21:27 i’m not exactly sure where the middle is at this point because of how many tears they added with their being eternity, one above all grandmaster, etc. but no one below diamond is going to have consistent synergy teamwork to even deal with an iron fist and the concept of him not being good because teamwork can easily kill him is ultimately flawed and kind of dumb cause it all hinges on the fact that I would have teamwork to work with in the first place meeting by myself and I’m a DPS man I’m I straight up get my ass beat by iron fist because he just instantly pulls me and I’m not exactly getting help even if my teammates are right next to me and it hinges all on me to kill this iron fist
Necros actually says Spiderman is crap atm.Sure he can rock with him, but he knows the character is crap.
Idc what they change about Hawkeye. If he still has a one shot he needs a nerf.
I'm a Penni Parker main, and honestly, I completely agree with what you said. 🔥
won't hela be right back to where she was with a storm on her team?