This is the eleventh of fourteen episodes following the Cuban Missile Crisis day-by-day. We'll be back tomorrow, and the day after that until the end of the crisis. All the episodes are already available for the TimeGhost Army on www.patreon.com/timeghosthistory or timeghost.tv. By joining us there you will also support the creation of these independent, realtime historical documentary series! Cheers, Joram . *RULES OF CONDUCT* STAY CIVIL AND POLITE we will delete any comments with personal insults, or attacks. AVOID PARTISAN POLITICS AS FAR AS YOU CAN we reserve the right to cut off vitriolic debates. HATE SPEECH IN ANY DIRECTION will lead to a ban. RACISM, XENOPHOBIA, OR SLAMMING OF MINORITIES will lead to an immediate ban. PARTISAN REVISIONISM, ESPECIALLY HOLOCAUST AND HOLODOMOR DENIAL will lead to an immediate ban. THE PROMOTION OF EXTREME, VIOLENT IDEOLOGIES IS ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN This includes the justification, or promotion of ideologies, regimes, and systems that have historically or are inherently contrary to the principles of democracy and human rights. To be clear some of these ideologies are Naziism, Fascism, Colonialism, Imperialism, Leninism, Stalinism, Revolutionary Socialism, Integral Nationalism and any other ideology that promotes authoritarianism, and a disregard for inalienable individual rights as outlined in the UDHR. Regimes that fall under this rule are for example: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, the British Empire, Colonial France, pre-emancipation USA, Imperial Japan, Communist China, the USSR and any similar systems and regimes. While an academic discussion of these ideologies and regimes is permitted, even desired, any value statements or comparative posts to extoll their positive sides will be deleted, and may lead to a ban. . Here’s why: It is objectively true that the authoritarian regimes we cover in our series, be they far-left or far-right, were willing to use systematic oppression, violence, and murder to create or maintain their preferred system of governance. From the perspective of human rights, democracy, and plain decency, this is clearly unacceptable. Now, that is, of course, a morally absolute statement based on 21st-century morals and ethics. Therefore, in our content, we refrain from any such judgement and just tell the story as it is. We’re concerned only with the past. We don’t take sides, and we don’t decide which side deserves more blame than the other. Our comment section, however, is not taking place in the past. Our comments are made in the present-day, and political comments such as the ones we don’t allow are promoting a present-day agenda by whitewashing, diminishing, or even justifying the crimes of a past regime. We will not allow for such rhetoric in the same way most democratic European countries (where we create this content) won’t allow for such rhetoric. As historians, our very work depends on this so that we can continue interrogating the past free from political influence.
we want news about the cat spy of episode 2 ...what hapenned to it ? is it still active as a spy ? did it drink all the cocktail bucket ? did it come back to Russia or else ? and why a burmese cat ?... too many mysteries...
Stevenson: "Don't wait for the translation: yes or no?" Zorin: "Err, umm, will next Tuesday do?" Stevenson: "I'm prepared to wait until hell freezes over." Zorin: "Err, yes, umm, well, like, that's just your opinion, man!" No question Stevenson won that round handily. And the seemingly conciliatory tone to start things off was effective as well, because it helped make it sound like he didn't want to be doing what he was about to do, but was forced into it by the Soviet actions.
“... well, like that’s just your opinion, man!” - Zorin apparently anticipating that future master of political negotiations, Jeffrey Lebowski... Mentioning “The Dude,” I would have loved to have heard what it would have been like to have had Walter Sobchak on the XCom committee. I feel that he probably would have stolen Curtis Le May’s thunder...🤣
@Plamen Stoev Yes. The USA had actual evidence instead of tricking the world with fake evidence like it has done so many times since. WMDs being the best known example.
sounds like Stevenson was doing a school debate to me. The Soviet Union didn't care if the Americans knew, they let the surveillance planed do their job. and it was acting within the strictures of international law. Unlike the US which breaks the law as it wishes. The Soviet Union had to work within the strictures of a new world order were the hegemon wanted it dead and occupied. The USSR had to let the US lead at this point. The facts on the ground were in the USSR's favour.
@Plamen Stoev Why didn't USSR accused USA putting missiles that also endanger their national security and paint that the USA put all of them on a clear world nuclear annihilation in the first place?
I appreciate the attention to detail in the increasingly disheveled look and the accumulation of empty liquor bottles in the background. Though for the sake of historical accuracy at this point of the crisis Indy should be drinking that whiskey without ice... or a glas.
I never even noticed that until you pointed it out--keen observation. The overflowing ashtray on the desk is a nice touch. The first Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Tobacco Use wasn't released until two years later in 1964. At the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, 50% of American men and 25% of women smoked, compared to 16% and 12% today.
Great choice of liquor, although Tito's Handmade Vodka is an anachronism, since Tito's wasn't founded until 1997. It may have been more true to the time period if they had a bottle of Beefeater Gin or J&B Scotch, but I'm not sure if Indy would have had as much fun consuming those brands.
@@DavidKutzler You're right. In order to really catch the spirit of the time the pictures on the wall should be barely visible, as the entire room is clouded in a thick haze from the earlier episodes, because Indy and crew never stopped smoking - just lighting one cigarette off the other. They'd also have had three martinis each before even starting to record.
It really is good. I love the liquor bottles that keep piling up (the one near the front is new) and the couch used as a bed in the background is getting more disheveled. Also is the picture on the table by the couch new? EDIT: I checked, the picture is new
Stevenson's reputation was mediocre at the moment and he stood up and proved himself to be a man of courage and eloquence. I think he and Kennedy impressed both Democrats and Republicans at that time. Sad it seems no longer a time when both parties are able to unite behind any cause.
The idea that politics was nicer back then or something just doesn't track: For instance, Stevenson had lost the presidency, twice, in no small part because Ike's running mate Richard Nixon kept calling him an "egghead" (in reference to both his intellectualism and his baldness).
CommandoDude it is beyond clear that there wasn't much beyond his valid internal contributions to the Kennedy Administration. Don't confuse media presentations with actual diplomacy. the first is just propaganda for the home front. Diplomacy is a game of carrot and stick that relies on material resources antagonists can bring to bear.
I was a 19 year old with the CIA guarded by the Navy red legs on Garden Key in the Dry Tortugas monitoring surface ships and subs, jamming the hell out of the Russians and Cubans and communicating with the U2's and low level flights over Castro. What even Indy doesn't know is we fired the only live rounds during the crisis. A Navy radar man named Jordan fired a full mag with his BAR across the bow of a shrimper named the "Bahama Mama" to discourage docking. It worked. I'm now 78. Don't think any others are still living from those days.
So true. I wonder how many students say they "hate history" because it was taught in a poor fashion by bored, uninterested teachers. Folks like Indy with a passion for the subject matter can make even the driest topics fascinating.
October, 1962: my older brother turned 19 today, the 25th - and I was looking forward to my 8th birthday party on the 30th. But no one was celebrating. The Missiles of October is the first deeply permanent impression of a historical event in my life. Our house in Plymouth, Massachusetts was a scant 40 miles from Hyannis Port, the location of the '2nd White House', aka the Kennedy compound. For certain unspoken reasons, my father knew that this was a primary communication center of the government. I'd never in my young life seen my Dad act like this. What learned later was he knew the seriousness of the situation; he also knew Hyannis Port, in the event of nuclear launches, was 3rd in line after New York and Washington DC, ahead of what was the fourth Cincinnati. (Yes, Cincinnati; it was home to several manufacturing facilities including aircraft engines.) He also knew then but did not share the first two missiles, if launched, would hit their targets; the 3rd target was 50-50 on a launch, and the fourth would probably not reach its target. He never mentioned (if he even knew?) what the retaliatory response would be. The mood was somber on this day, the 25th, as the TV was claimed by my parents to watch the feed from the UN. Even as a new 3rd Grader I knew this was a serious event , even if i could not fully understand what was unfolding as my parents tried to explain. I understood the seriousness. We'd done the duck-and-cover drills in school. In 2nd Grade, I was sent to the office for standing up during one and saying "if the bomb can blow up all of Japan, it's going to blow up Cold Spring School. I now know it was only two cities in Japan, but it was also this event that became my first trip to the Principal's Office. But I digress. A clear memory was Ambassador Adlai Stevenson's famous "I will wait until Hell freezes over for your response" because I giggled. He said Hell on the TV! Then Dad explained the situation to me in no uncertain terms. And I began to wonder if I would even see my 8th Birthday. And that memory remains with me to this day. Fact: JFK handled this properly. Even Nikita Khrushchev in spite of his political constraints realized this would be insanity.
The bed hasn't even been made yet, side lighting and the 5 o'clock shadow. Throw in some Chinese take out boxes and I'd say it looks pretty dang good! Indy and Sparty are at the top of your craft. No detail spared on this series. The tempo, tone and props make you feel like its happening all over again... thanks Indy, I have to go find my wooden knife, my trousers need to be cleaned.
It looked like it was all for the cameras huh? USA seems to do stuff based on election cycles and swaying public opinion. Not always the best choices either on the part of politicians. But where are some of the public's heads at if harassing and boarding a neutral ship and being more aggressive in a very dangerous nuclear arms crisis wins their support? Some wrong headed people in the electorate it seems. A diverse range of world views there to put it kindly.
While Stevenson tells his opponent to answer the question regardless of the translation, a disguised General Chang of the Klingon defense force can only smile and nod his head in approval.
"Don't wait for the translation: yes or no?" Reminded me of the courtroom scene in "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" (around five minutes and eightteen seconds). The same movie is of course a complete allegory of the Cold War.
When Eisenhower spoke of the," Military Industrial Complex." I wonder if this is part of what he was talking about. Both sides had individuals just looking for an excuse to go to war. Obviously as an American I don't want enemy nukes in my backyard. But you could see how some generals were just ready to go at the drop of a hat.
Yes. Look at every war America has gone into the last decade. It's literally only to justify a massive a war industry and spending which keeps the economy going. Without war, military industry and high spending makes no sense.
I think its less about "wanting" a war and more about it being what they know, who they are. In a sense if you were to ask a hammer how to deal with a screw its not going to recommend a screwdriver.
@@hi-tech_soldier2558 Good question. He didn't really need a translator, just as most (not all, but most) UN ambassadors don't need translators for the English language. (Since the UN is based in New York, and the ambassadors must live there, most countries select ambassadors who have at least a good working knowledge of the English language.) Waiting for the translation, however, is a technique they all use to give themselves time to consider the question and formulate an answer. That is actually a very good tactical maneuver. The translators are mainly to insure subtle nuances between languages are not misunderstood as well as for the benefit of the ambassadors support personnel who are more likely to only be fluent in their native tongue.
It's weird. I noticed it being haggard, but now you mention it each video is slightly more disheveled which is an excellent visual representation of the crisis.
Hello, Indy and Spartacus... This is an awesome series on the crisis. Second time I am watching it. My Dad was in the Army stationed in Germany on the Czech border in a heavy artillery unit. He fired the 8in howitzer which was the biggest cannon to fire at the time on land. The only ones bigger were on naval ships. Did you know that the 8 inch guns could fire a tactical nuke as well? The range would be about 21-22 miles from the cannon, so if the wind was blowing back at you it would had been terrible for our troops. There was a model kit put out in the 50s-60s that has been re-released in later years. The box is a good representation of how things would look after firing off one of these weapons. (Do a search for 1/32 scale Renwall Atomic cannon.) That is a specialized cannon that was not put into regular service when it was found out that the army could use the weapons they already had. I do not know if anyone else has mentioned this before, but we had several units in West Germany at the time.
A good old Venezuelan friend of mine told me how Socialist's cynicism can never be understated: He says that if you show a starving kid in the street to a socialist, he will answer something like "Starving? Look at him! He's so happy!"
You're looking stressed Indy......tie undone, ashtray filled up, bottle of booze half gone.....and this is only day 11! Your excellent presentation, only adds to the intensity of the crisis.👍
I think this is your best done, best finished series yet. It's come out great and releasing one each day is great to keep the anticipation built up. Great work!
When I was a little kid growing up in America Khrushchev was always portrayed as a bad guy. I was scared of a nuclear war - we all were - but there was something about Khrushchev's personality I liked. I felt sorry for him when he was ousted. I still think he would have been a far more fun and interesting guy to have a drink with than Brezhnev or Putin. And I am glad he didn't kill me.
Just gotta say, this is the best historical show on youtube right now! Big fan! Been watching these and the ww2 one for a while and just had to buy the patreon subscription! Cheers from Finland!
Everyone knows what happened in history but I'm still gripped and on the edge of my seat. Absolutely great presentation. Everything about these daily briefs is amazing, really well done. Thank you so much.
U.S.: I need to board sthg U.S.S.R.: I'm standing just out of your range tho U.S. (pointing at Lebanon): He's not! Lebanon: _I thought we were friends_
i loved that intro.... this whole series has been exciting, i swear these are reuploads, i get deja vu watching it, keep up the excellent work guys, stay safe.
So, not only is the room falling into more and more disrepair and being more and more cluttered, but Indy's outfit's also looking more and more as if he's actively participating in all this drama. at the beginning he had a full suit on, neatly tied tie, and the lot. Now the jacket's gone, the waistcoat's unbuttoned, and the tie is loosened. Extremely neat touch you guys.
With Stevenson scoffing at the idea of defensive nuclear weapons, it is important to remember that the Bay of Pigs Invasion at this point was only one and half years ago. In retrospect Zorin should probably have stood his ground on the missile question and assured that they were purely for defence and deterrence purposes.
@joseaca you do realise the only reason the Soviets put missiles in cuba is because the US put missile in Turkey. The US has already done what you say they may do as a response. The problem is their is a reason Indy says this made the soviets look like the bad guys, as what the soviets are doing was insuring MAD would still work, which the Americans were very keen to break (which is quite worrying when you think about why they would want to do that), Zorin didn't mention this due to the fact the soviet didn't want to reveal the intelligence they had been able to gather.
@joseaca yes you were, however I was pointing out how your idea that if the Soviet used that as an excuse the Americans would put missiles close to Russia wouldn't happen. Due to the very simple fact the US had already done that months before the crisis, and it was the soviets response to the US putting missiles in Turkey, to put missiles on Cuba, to restore MAD.
@joseaca why would they need an excuse the Nuclear weapons they had in Turkey, were an under the table deal. It was top secret in Turkey and the USA, the soviets found out through intelligence, but also didn't release it publicly (because it unbalanced MAD and could compromise there intelligence tactics). So the US already had as many missiles as it wanted in Turkey. The reason America looked better throughout the Cuban crisis, is because no one but Soviet officials and american officials knew the US had missiles in Turkey. To say the US is beating the USSR by a mile in nuclear weapons is laughable in it's stupidity, the Tsar Bomba was only set off a year before. Both nations can destroy each other multiple times over and have been able too for years it literally doesn't matter, if you have 10 more, no one can shoot them out of the sky (although technically the Soviets would have a much better chance with their much more advanced SAM's). P.s. it's obvious you are very ignorant on this topic please just move on, it is getting very tiring having to correct you every comment as you double down comment after comment.
@joseaca as Turkey is a better spot to hit Russian Cities with short and medium range missiles. It's closer than Germany, easier to keep location secret too and Korea is on the wrong side of the country to fire at useful russian cities, the ones their can be dealt with by the subsequent waves from the US mainland. "No one ask for your opinion" 🤦♂️ how can you say something this silly and contradictory, your original comment was an opinion, the OP definitely didn't ask for. I will stop once you stop spreading misinformation.
We currently don't do merch as logistically we haven't got the resources for it. That being said keep your eyes sharp as every now and then we do one time auctions for things like Indy's ties!
All I've known of Adlai Stevenson was that he was a presidential loser. From what I've seen in this series, he was actually rather competent. I'm glad I know more about him now.
Because it is. Just you wait. He's gong to reveal it was mutually assured destruction, and why are we here? The magnitude of all the energy going of made a fracture refraction in causality... and we well oh our own existence in being in one of the causal fractures that provided the lowest probability that it couldn't happen. And that's how it didn't happen in our causal existence. Because everything else being equal the probability of nuclear war during this event was 99.999999999999999999999910% It's the only way to explain our own current existence; that a causal fracture refracted into the universe. And Indy will demonstrate this by revealing damn near an infinite other causal fractures of the MAD Max or Fall Out world that resulted.
I'm addicted to Time Ghost, and will be signing up to send some $ today. Is there another way other than Patreon. I'm not a fan of those guys and I suspect they will be going bust shortly when they lose their court cases.
Medium-range missiles Jupiter had a range of 2,400 km and due to a short flight times, could easily and quickly reach cities in the entire European part of the Soviet Union and all the main industrial centers of the USSR (unlike intercontinental ballistic missiles what Soviet Union mostly had to hit the territory of the United States), which made it impossible for the USSR to deliver an equivalent retaliatory strike. In the affected area were Moscow, Leningrad (St. Petersburg), all of Western Russia to the Urals, as well as all of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States, Moldova, the entire Caucasus and the South of Russia, and even Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan (in the coverage area - 80% of population of the Soviet Union).
In addition, in the early 1960s, medium-range missiles were technologically superior to intercontinental ballistic missiles, not only due to the flight time (less than 10 minutes), they could also be constantly on alert, which the ICBM could not in that times. Also, the United States surpassed the USSR in the number of nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles - 6,000 versus 300.
Merkin Muffley's finest hour. BTW, my daughter used to have the same polka-dot bedspread featured prominently in the episode. Did you happen to borrow it from her?
The outcome of the Cuban missle crisis in 1962 would eventually lead to the downfall of Nikita Krushchev as Soviet Party Secretary-General in 1964 and the rise of Leonid Breshznev.
that is unlikely. It is hard to realise, but in SU there was no WW3 and "WE ALL GONNA DIE!" stuff, I do not remember any scary stories from my grannies and grandpas about that times. And one of them actually was a soviet soldier in Cuba, lol! He said that he loved cigars and thats all. so the reason was mostly to Khrushev inner policy
I would ask Stevenson this: What burglary are you referring to? How where these pictures obtained? I'll tell you how-by breaking into another man's house. Is Cuba a sovereign country? Does it not have the right to defend it self again your imperialistic pretentions? Does it have to wait for another Bay of Pigs invasion, like a lamb in the slaughterhouse?! And tell me, how do these missile installations differ from those in Turkey? Apart from that the Soviet Union never tried to invade Turkey! Stevens wouldn't have the answer, and we wouldn't be able to watch these phenomenal videos, because of the nuclear war that would follow this UN assembly.
If only RFK's comments in the EXCOM meeting had been made public sooner his election later to the Senate and run for president would have been considered different by voters. He promoted himself as an anti-war candidate in 1968.
I suppose if the american society demands were to be hursh on communism those days, RFK would easily turn it in the way that he was the tough guy from the beggining)
Well sadly all I want to know is who is the lady in the picture ??? Is it Indy's Wife, Auntie, Grandmother, Sister, Co host, Cousin, Sister, Lover, Doctor,Nurse, Florist,Hair dresser, etc etc etc Please let me know it's just killing me ???????????
This is the eleventh of fourteen episodes following the Cuban Missile Crisis day-by-day. We'll be back tomorrow, and the day after that until the end of the crisis. All the episodes are already available for the TimeGhost Army on www.patreon.com/timeghosthistory or timeghost.tv. By joining us there you will also support the creation of these independent, realtime historical documentary series!
Cheers, Joram
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Hey Indy! Really nice video! Keep up the good work and stay safe. Also I watch all your videos
Indy did India do much in the cold war? Just asking
we want news about the cat spy of episode 2 ...what hapenned to it ? is it still active as a spy ? did it drink all the cocktail bucket ? did it come back to Russia or else ? and why a burmese cat ?... too many mysteries...
Could you cap this series off with a summary of the other 'oh s**t' moments of the cold war?
Apologies for the not so savory conversation yesterday even though I kept my arguement within bounds, love the show! ;o
EXCOMM: *doubts Stevenson*
Stevenson: _pulls out straight fire Powerpoint presentation_
I love how Indy looks more and more disgruntled as the crisis grows
Thanks, I didn't notice that!
You would too if you had to be in a room with the Kennedy brothers and General LeMay. 🤣🤣🤣
Actually looks like he’s been up trying to resolve the crisis only sleeping intermittently for a week... you can see this in the old series also
Yeah, he does the same in the old Cuban Missile Crisis series. Awesome details.
Disheveled?
Stevenson: "Don't wait for the translation: yes or no?"
Zorin: "Err, umm, will next Tuesday do?"
Stevenson: "I'm prepared to wait until hell freezes over."
Zorin: "Err, yes, umm, well, like, that's just your opinion, man!"
No question Stevenson won that round handily. And the seemingly conciliatory tone to start things off was effective as well, because it helped make it sound like he didn't want to be doing what he was about to do, but was forced into it by the Soviet actions.
“... well, like that’s just your opinion, man!” - Zorin apparently anticipating that future master of political negotiations, Jeffrey Lebowski... Mentioning “The Dude,” I would have loved to have heard what it would have been like to have had Walter Sobchak on the XCom committee. I feel that he probably would have stolen Curtis Le May’s thunder...🤣
@Plamen Stoev Yes. The USA had actual evidence instead of tricking the world with fake evidence like it has done so many times since. WMDs being the best known example.
sounds like Stevenson was doing a school debate to me. The Soviet Union didn't care if the Americans knew, they let the surveillance planed do their job. and it was acting within the strictures of international law. Unlike the US which breaks the law as it wishes. The Soviet Union had to work within the strictures of a new world order were the hegemon wanted it dead and occupied. The USSR had to let the US lead at this point. The facts on the ground were in the USSR's favour.
@Plamen Stoev Why didn't USSR accused USA putting missiles that also endanger their national security and paint that the USA put all of them on a clear world nuclear annihilation in the first place?
@@bisacool7339 USSR didn't have a public military alliance with Cuba, USA does with Turkey or italy.
I appreciate the attention to detail in the increasingly disheveled look and the accumulation of empty liquor bottles in the background. Though for the sake of historical accuracy at this point of the crisis Indy should be drinking that whiskey without ice... or a glas.
I never even noticed that until you pointed it out--keen observation. The overflowing ashtray on the desk is a nice touch. The first Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Tobacco Use wasn't released until two years later in 1964. At the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, 50% of American men and 25% of women smoked, compared to 16% and 12% today.
He needs to take a drink on the last day on camera.
Great choice of liquor, although Tito's Handmade Vodka is an anachronism, since Tito's wasn't founded until 1997. It may have been more true to the time period if they had a bottle of Beefeater Gin or J&B Scotch, but I'm not sure if Indy would have had as much fun consuming those brands.
@@DavidKutzler You're right. In order to really catch the spirit of the time the pictures on the wall should be barely visible, as the entire room is clouded in a thick haze from the earlier episodes, because Indy and crew never stopped smoking - just lighting one cigarette off the other. They'd also have had three martinis each before even starting to record.
The slightly changing background is a good addition to the series
10 of 16 days, I'm guessing the tie will be gone by day 14, probably by day 12
It really is good. I love the liquor bottles that keep piling up (the one near the front is new) and the couch used as a bed in the background is getting more disheveled. Also is the picture on the table by the couch new?
EDIT: I checked, the picture is new
And his outfit looking more and more disheveled and hectic aswell
Getting some 60s vibes with this tie, which is obviously apt. I like it. 3.5/5
When the green lantern bubbles over the nuclear war starts.
Stevenson's reputation was mediocre at the moment and he stood up and proved himself to be a man of courage and eloquence. I think he and Kennedy impressed both Democrats and Republicans at that time. Sad it seems no longer a time when both parties are able to unite behind any cause.
The idea that politics was nicer back then or something just doesn't track: For instance, Stevenson had lost the presidency, twice, in no small part because Ike's running mate Richard Nixon kept calling him an "egghead" (in reference to both his intellectualism and his baldness).
What courage? He made some appropriate noises in a somewhat civilized meeting. He wasn't on the front lines where bombs drop and tanks crush.
Going head-to-head toe-to-toe with a global superpower does take courage.
CommandoDude it is beyond clear that there wasn't much beyond his valid internal contributions to the Kennedy Administration. Don't confuse media presentations with actual diplomacy. the first is just propaganda for the home front. Diplomacy is a game of carrot and stick that relies on material resources antagonists can bring to bear.
They did during 911
Day 10 - Indy is having a double triple by the looks of it
I was a 19 year old with the CIA guarded by the Navy red legs on Garden Key in the Dry Tortugas monitoring surface ships and subs, jamming the hell out of the Russians and Cubans and communicating with the U2's and low level flights over Castro. What even Indy doesn't know is we fired the only live rounds during the crisis. A Navy radar man named Jordan fired a full mag with his BAR across the bow of a shrimper named the "Bahama Mama" to discourage docking. It worked. I'm now 78. Don't think any others are still living from those days.
You would have been a very good history teacher sir. Hats off to your brilliant work!
He is already a teacher, and his students are more than willing to learn.
So true. I wonder how many students say they "hate history" because it was taught in a poor fashion by bored, uninterested teachers. Folks like Indy with a passion for the subject matter can make even the driest topics fascinating.
He has tought history to more people than any history teacher
Why limit yourself to a few classes of 20-ish students, when you can reach millions?
Many thanks!
8:23 Shocked Khrushchev wasn't in a corn field....
lmao what a sad story
Corn man
Packing his wooden knife
Jeffrey Coulter Khruschev was in Stalingrad during the worst times. He's no chicken.
October, 1962: my older brother turned 19 today, the 25th - and I was looking forward to my 8th birthday party on the 30th. But no one was celebrating. The Missiles of October is the first deeply permanent impression of a historical event in my life. Our house in Plymouth, Massachusetts was a scant 40 miles from Hyannis Port, the location of the '2nd White House', aka the Kennedy compound. For certain unspoken reasons, my father knew that this was a primary communication center of the government. I'd never in my young life seen my Dad act like this.
What learned later was he knew the seriousness of the situation; he also knew Hyannis Port, in the event of nuclear launches, was 3rd in line after New York and Washington DC, ahead of what was the fourth Cincinnati. (Yes, Cincinnati; it was home to several manufacturing facilities including aircraft engines.) He also knew then but did not share the first two missiles, if launched, would hit their targets; the 3rd target was 50-50 on a launch, and the fourth would probably not reach its target. He never mentioned (if he even knew?) what the retaliatory response would be.
The mood was somber on this day, the 25th, as the TV was claimed by my parents to watch the feed from the UN. Even as a new 3rd Grader I knew this was a serious event , even if i could not fully understand what was unfolding as my parents tried to explain. I understood the seriousness. We'd done the duck-and-cover drills in school. In 2nd Grade, I was sent to the office for standing up during one and saying "if the bomb can blow up all of Japan, it's going to blow up Cold Spring School. I now know it was only two cities in Japan, but it was also this event that became my first trip to the Principal's Office. But I digress.
A clear memory was Ambassador Adlai Stevenson's famous "I will wait until Hell freezes over for your response" because I giggled. He said Hell on the TV! Then Dad explained the situation to me in no uncertain terms. And I began to wonder if I would even see my 8th Birthday. And that memory remains with me to this day.
Fact: JFK handled this properly. Even Nikita Khrushchev in spite of his political constraints realized this would be insanity.
The bed hasn't even been made yet, side lighting and the 5 o'clock shadow. Throw in some Chinese take out boxes and I'd say it looks pretty dang good! Indy and Sparty are at the top of your craft. No detail spared on this series. The tempo, tone and props make you feel like its happening all over again... thanks Indy, I have to go find my wooden knife, my trousers need to be cleaned.
"Have we got any other ships we can board now?"
Wow, that sounds awfully whiny...
"Mooom, I want to board a shiiiiip!"
It looked like it was all for the cameras huh? USA seems to do stuff based on election cycles and swaying public opinion. Not always the best choices either on the part of politicians. But where are some of the public's heads at if harassing and boarding a neutral ship and being more aggressive in a very dangerous nuclear arms crisis wins their support? Some wrong headed people in the electorate it seems. A diverse range of world views there to put it kindly.
Can you imagine the crew of that Lebonese ship when the Navy boarded it? "What the hell, man? What did we do?"
They have to show that something is happening otherwise the blockade/quarantine would just be forgotten.
Zorin didn't want to be a diplomat - he wanted to be... a lumberjack!
And he's okay!
While Stevenson tells his opponent to answer the question regardless of the translation, a disguised General Chang of the Klingon defense force can only smile and nod his head in approval.
"Don't wait for the translation: yes or no?" Reminded me of the courtroom scene in "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" (around five minutes and eightteen seconds). The same movie is of course a complete allegory of the Cold War.
after so many years, every time I hear "I'm Indy Neidell", my brain fill in with "and welcome to the great war"
When Eisenhower spoke of the," Military Industrial Complex." I wonder if this is part of what he was talking about. Both sides had individuals just looking for an excuse to go to war. Obviously as an American I don't want enemy nukes in my backyard. But you could see how some generals were just ready to go at the drop of a hat.
I mean, what else could he have been talking about?
Clearly. Each of the Joint Chiefs had a hammer, and you know what that means. Especially Curtis LeMay, _jeezus._
Yes.
Look at every war America has gone into the last decade.
It's literally only to justify a massive a war industry and spending which keeps the economy going.
Without war, military industry and high spending makes no sense.
I think its less about "wanting" a war and more about it being what they know, who they are. In a sense if you were to ask a hammer how to deal with a screw its not going to recommend a screwdriver.
You guys should do a montage of all the beginning clips at the end of this series. They are all really good.
I've been in the room where Khruschev and the consortium decided to give up the cause of missiles in Cuba. It's a fascinating place.
"Don't wait for the translation"
Most savage takedown ever
How is he suppose to answer if the translation isn't finished. It just doesnt make any sense.
@@hi-tech_soldier2558 The Soviet Ambassador was fluent in English. He and Stevenson had held several private meetings without translators present.
@@tomjustis7237 if he so fluent, why does he need a translator
@@hi-tech_soldier2558 Good question. He didn't really need a translator, just as most (not all, but most) UN ambassadors don't need translators for the English language. (Since the UN is based in New York, and the ambassadors must live there, most countries select ambassadors who have at least a good working knowledge of the English language.) Waiting for the translation, however, is a technique they all use to give themselves time to consider the question and formulate an answer. That is actually a very good tactical maneuver. The translators are mainly to insure subtle nuances between languages are not misunderstood as well as for the benefit of the ambassadors support personnel who are more likely to only be fluent in their native tongue.
@@tomjustis7237 Also I think Zobrin lost that round cause Krustchev didnt give him enough of information about the whole situation
Does anyone notice how indy's outfit is slowly falling apart?
I didn't notice, but I do now notice how the room is getting increasingly disheveled.
13 days of isolation wouldn't you ?
have you noticed the alcohol bottles slowly emptying???
@@kroxzul nope European here, lockdown has been eased from 1st of July.
This part was in Lockdown since early March
It's weird. I noticed it being haggard, but now you mention it each video is slightly more disheveled which is an excellent visual representation of the crisis.
Hello, Indy and Spartacus...
This is an awesome series on the crisis. Second time I am watching it. My Dad was in the Army stationed in Germany on the Czech border in a heavy artillery unit. He fired the 8in howitzer which was the biggest cannon to fire at the time on land. The only ones bigger were on naval ships. Did you know that the 8 inch guns could fire a tactical nuke as well?
The range would be about 21-22 miles from the cannon, so if the wind was blowing back at you it would had been terrible for our troops. There was a model kit put out in the 50s-60s that has been re-released in later years. The box is a good representation of how things would look after firing off one of these weapons. (Do a search for 1/32 scale Renwall Atomic cannon.) That is a specialized cannon that was not put into regular service when it was found out that the army could use the weapons they already had.
I do not know if anyone else has mentioned this before, but we had several units in West Germany at the time.
This needs an epic rap battles of history
Stevenson vs. Zorin.....Begin!
Epc rrrorp bbbtatll off historyyyyy!!
At this rate I imagine Indy will be doing a full "There was a fire fight!" a la Willem Dafoe from "Boondock Saints" as an exit on the last episode. :P
A good old Venezuelan friend of mine told me how Socialist's cynicism can never be understated: He says that if you show a starving kid in the street to a socialist, he will answer something like "Starving? Look at him! He's so happy!"
The first time I heard the Stevenson quote was in Star Trek the Undiscovered Country. It's nice to finally see the original.
ENJOYING THESE EVERY MORNING WITH COFFEE, FIKA!!!
You're looking stressed Indy......tie undone, ashtray filled up, bottle of booze half gone.....and this is only day 11! Your excellent presentation, only adds to the intensity of the crisis.👍
I think this is your best done, best finished series yet. It's come out great and releasing one each day is great to keep the anticipation built up. Great work!
Wow, thanks!
I’ve been waiting so long for that green lantern to pop
I love how Indy starts the videos of this series.
This is phenomenal work. I look forward to this every morning and am on the edge of my seat
Thank you!
Love all the new stuff your doing! The pandemic stuff is really good
Glad you enjoy it!
Glad you're enjoying it!
When I was a little kid growing up in America Khrushchev was always portrayed as a bad guy. I was scared of a nuclear war - we all were - but there was something about Khrushchev's personality I liked. I felt sorry for him when he was ousted. I still think he would have been a far more fun and interesting guy to have a drink with than Brezhnev or Putin. And I am glad he didn't kill me.
Especially if you know that Putin does not drink
Just a terrific series! You have done a phenomenal job on this one !
4:44 quarantine further infection, ha!
2020 vibes right there
Just gotta say, this is the best historical show on youtube right now! Big fan! Been watching these and the ww2 one for a while and just had to buy the patreon subscription!
Cheers from Finland!
Cheers! Really appreciate all the support :)
this is one of your best series'
Thanks!
Great touches on the set, a spectacular production all around!
Glad you like it!
The most epic PowerPoint presentation of all time in the UN
Everyone knows what happened in history but I'm still gripped and on the edge of my seat. Absolutely great presentation. Everything about these daily briefs is amazing, really well done. Thank you so much.
We're so glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the support!
This is absolutely fantastic! The way you present these is great and please keep them coming. Fantastic!
Thank you so much!
Good for you Stevenson! You man'd up.
These video series are fantastic. Thank you!
Thanks!
Love your analogies; also love the use of actual recordings. Great series!
Thanks for the support!!!
U.S.: I need to board sthg
U.S.S.R.: I'm standing just out of your range tho
U.S. (pointing at Lebanon): He's not!
Lebanon: _I thought we were friends_
5:43 What a power move.
i loved that intro.... this whole series has been exciting, i swear these are reuploads, i get deja vu watching it, keep up the excellent work guys, stay safe.
Right back at you!
So, not only is the room falling into more and more disrepair and being more and more cluttered, but Indy's outfit's also looking more and more as if he's actively participating in all this drama. at the beginning he had a full suit on, neatly tied tie, and the lot. Now the jacket's gone, the waistcoat's unbuttoned, and the tie is loosened. Extremely neat touch you guys.
Stevenson is the same guy that lost the two elections against eisenhower
Stevenson 'don't wait for the trandlation' was brilliantly used in star trek 6...
This is an excellent channel.
First time I hear the word "clout" in a history documentary
With Stevenson scoffing at the idea of defensive nuclear weapons, it is important to remember that the Bay of Pigs Invasion at this point was only one and half years ago.
In retrospect Zorin should probably have stood his ground on the missile question and assured that they were purely for defence and deterrence purposes.
@joseaca you do realise the only reason the Soviets put missiles in cuba is because the US put missile in Turkey. The US has already done what you say they may do as a response. The problem is their is a reason Indy says this made the soviets look like the bad guys, as what the soviets are doing was insuring MAD would still work, which the Americans were very keen to break (which is quite worrying when you think about why they would want to do that), Zorin didn't mention this due to the fact the soviet didn't want to reveal the intelligence they had been able to gather.
@joseaca where did I say it was defensive?
@joseaca yes you were, however I was pointing out how your idea that if the Soviet used that as an excuse the Americans would put missiles close to Russia wouldn't happen. Due to the very simple fact the US had already done that months before the crisis, and it was the soviets response to the US putting missiles in Turkey, to put missiles on Cuba, to restore MAD.
@joseaca why would they need an excuse the Nuclear weapons they had in Turkey, were an under the table deal. It was top secret in Turkey and the USA, the soviets found out through intelligence, but also didn't release it publicly (because it unbalanced MAD and could compromise there intelligence tactics). So the US already had as many missiles as it wanted in Turkey. The reason America looked better throughout the Cuban crisis, is because no one but Soviet officials and american officials knew the US had missiles in Turkey.
To say the US is beating the USSR by a mile in nuclear weapons is laughable in it's stupidity, the Tsar Bomba was only set off a year before. Both nations can destroy each other multiple times over and have been able too for years it literally doesn't matter, if you have 10 more, no one can shoot them out of the sky (although technically the Soviets would have a much better chance with their much more advanced SAM's).
P.s. it's obvious you are very ignorant on this topic please just move on, it is getting very tiring having to correct you every comment as you double down comment after comment.
@joseaca as Turkey is a better spot to hit Russian Cities with short and medium range missiles. It's closer than Germany, easier to keep location secret too and Korea is on the wrong side of the country to fire at useful russian cities, the ones their can be dealt with by the subsequent waves from the US mainland.
"No one ask for your opinion" 🤦♂️ how can you say something this silly and contradictory, your original comment was an opinion, the OP definitely didn't ask for.
I will stop once you stop spreading misinformation.
Adlai Stevenson is my spirit animal
I wish I could like more than once
wooden knife - HA! i gets it
Yeah, yeah, yeah... but what the hell is going on with the Green Lava Lamp? Why is it still not turning?
It's an avatar for the U.S. during the Cuban Missile Crisis. For now, the Reds are flying high.
do you have any merch? i see that indy mug and might want to pick something up lol
We currently don't do merch as logistically we haven't got the resources for it. That being said keep your eyes sharp as every now and then we do one time auctions for things like Indy's ties!
its called an "elephant walk". i see where macnimera got the idea he could later micromanage his way to victory in vietnam.
We need politicians like this today!
Don’t wait for the translation! Yes or No?
Rough night of sleep in the bunker, Indy?
All I've known of Adlai Stevenson was that he was a presidential loser. From what I've seen in this series, he was actually rather competent. I'm glad I know more about him now.
Was SOSUS, the underwater listening system of the US working and did they keep track of the Russian Subs?
Who let the dogs (of war) out? Woof! Woof!
I'll get my pop corn ready for tommorrow!
very good presentation by the way!
Thank you!
What a show
Thank you sir may I have another.
I know how this turns out and yet I keep thinking ww3 is gonna happen
Remy Bien testament to Indy and crew’s storytelling
Because it is. Just you wait. He's gong to reveal it was mutually assured destruction, and why are we here? The magnitude of all the energy going of made a fracture refraction in causality... and we well oh our own existence in being in one of the causal fractures that provided the lowest probability that it couldn't happen. And that's how it didn't happen in our causal existence. Because everything else being equal the probability of nuclear war during this event was 99.999999999999999999999910%
It's the only way to explain our own current existence; that a causal fracture refracted into the universe.
And Indy will demonstrate this by revealing damn near an infinite other causal fractures of the MAD Max or Fall Out world that resulted.
"Don't wait for the translation"
So this is where Star Trek got that from.
Anyone else notice his suit gets more and more disheveled?
Was I hearing something akin to the “Get Smart” theme music in the background?
Piltdown Man generic Cold War spy theme
thgreatandini
Right “Get Smart”.😉
I'm addicted to Time Ghost, and will be signing up to send some $ today. Is there another way other than Patreon. I'm not a fan of those guys and I suspect they will be going bust shortly when they lose their court cases.
Thank you for joining the war effort. You can also sign up for the TimeGhost Army on TimeGhost.tv directly.
Nuclear weapons add some pretty nasty dimensions to quantum suicide. "Destroyer of Worlds" and all that.
😨 that plane was flying extremely low at 10:25
Stevenson is an effing legend.
I'm surprised that ashtray isn't overflowing with cigarette butts by day 10.
Is it just me or does the Zorin guy look like he could be Indy's great uncle or something?
Dear Indi … you weren't there. I was.
Is the two leaders had different personalities, it could be a different world today.
The best.
How close were any of the US's of defensive missiles to Russia or the rest of the USSR?
There were missiles in Turkey and Turkey has a land border with Armenia, then part of the USSR. So close enough.
Medium-range missiles Jupiter had a range of 2,400 km and due to a short flight times, could easily and quickly reach cities in the entire European part of the Soviet Union and all the main industrial centers of the USSR (unlike intercontinental ballistic missiles what Soviet Union mostly had to hit the territory of the United States), which made it impossible for the USSR to deliver an equivalent retaliatory strike. In the affected area were Moscow, Leningrad (St. Petersburg), all of Western Russia to the Urals, as well as all of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States, Moldova, the entire Caucasus and the South of Russia, and even Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan (in the coverage area - 80% of population of the Soviet Union).
In addition, in the early 1960s, medium-range missiles were technologically superior to intercontinental ballistic missiles, not only due to the flight time (less than 10 minutes), they could also be constantly on alert, which the ICBM could not in that times. Also, the United States surpassed the USSR in the number of nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles - 6,000 versus 300.
Merkin Muffley's finest hour. BTW, my daughter used to have the same polka-dot bedspread featured prominently in the episode. Did you happen to borrow it from her?
Indy is going to be undressed by the end of this
All of this looks like all the episodes were filmed end to end with Indie getting more and more worked up.
The outcome of the Cuban missle crisis in 1962 would eventually lead to the downfall of Nikita Krushchev as Soviet Party Secretary-General in 1964 and the rise of Leonid Breshznev.
that is unlikely. It is hard to realise, but in SU there was no WW3 and "WE ALL GONNA DIE!" stuff, I do not remember any scary stories from my grannies and grandpas about that times. And one of them actually was a soviet soldier in Cuba, lol! He said that he loved cigars and thats all. so the reason was mostly to Khrushev inner policy
I would ask Stevenson this: What burglary are you referring to?
How where these pictures obtained? I'll tell you how-by breaking into another man's house.
Is Cuba a sovereign country? Does it not have the right to defend it self again your imperialistic pretentions? Does it have to wait for another Bay of Pigs invasion, like a lamb in the slaughterhouse?!
And tell me, how do these missile installations differ from those in Turkey? Apart from that the Soviet Union never tried to invade Turkey!
Stevens wouldn't have the answer, and we wouldn't be able to watch these phenomenal videos, because of the nuclear war that would follow this UN assembly.
Will Vasili Arkhipov’s story be mentioned in this series?
why do you hate the green lava lamp?
:(
If only RFK's comments in the EXCOM meeting had been made public sooner his election later to the Senate and run for president would have been considered different by voters. He promoted himself as an anti-war candidate in 1968.
I suppose if the american society demands were to be hursh on communism those days, RFK would easily turn it in the way that he was the tough guy from the beggining)
Your green lavalamp is broken
Hruscsev and Kennedy to each other : our intercontinental ballistics missless on their way to destroy you: So good night, and good luck:)
Well sadly all I want to know is who is the lady in the picture ??? Is it Indy's Wife, Auntie, Grandmother, Sister, Co host, Cousin, Sister, Lover, Doctor,Nurse, Florist,Hair dresser, etc etc etc
Please let me know it's just killing me ???????????
That’s Mindy Adel, but where’s his cat?
Did you reshot this series? The episodes you hid had working lava lamps.
We re-shot it with professional editing and archive footage. Although sadly not with the best lava lamp :(