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BALTIC MR01 Full Review | Possible issues with the Hangzhou Micro Rotor Movement?!
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- The micro brand Baltic recently released a limited edition micro rotor dress watch called the MR01 its a stunning and a beautiful piece but I seem to have possibly run into some issues with the Hangzhou micro rotor movement. I'm no expert, so I'll let you be the judge if there is an issue or not. I will also be reaching out to Baltic about it and will update everyone after they respond.
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Never turn the time of your watch backwards unless the movement is specifically made for it (eg. a GMT)
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Reminds me of the doctor scenario:
Patient: My arm only hurts when I bend it backwards.
Doctor: Don’t bend your arm backwards. Now that’ll be 150.00.
Thats a good one brother! Thanks for watching! We'll see what Baltic says about it!
Turning the hand backwards which you aren't supposed to do put unnecessary pressure on the parts. The one general rule is that if your mechanical watch's second hand does not stop when you put the watch in time setting mode, then you should definitely not turn the hands backwards.
LOL, you've shown us everything we need to see. I'll wait until Baltic get their act together with this movement before I waste my money. You sir are a hero.
Thanks for watching!
It’s not unusual for the movement to stop when winding back. That’s by design, not a fault
Back hacking is not dangerous to a movement unless done constantly, which is the same rule for winding automatic watches etc.
Back hacking non stop seconds movements has been common practice for decades, often a recommendation on the famed el primero movement which has a constant running seconds.
I like how baltic presented their watches as vintage inspired watch. Without buying vintage watches which has it’s issues, we can still enjoy the vintage looks of it. I owned the baltic aquascaphe and the MR01 silver with green strap just like yours and enjoying them!! Great review and nice work!
Awesome! Thanks for watching! have you had any movement issues like mine was having?
@@TheTownWatch i have not worn the watch yet as i’m waiting for christmas to wear it😬 p.s. pairing it with my red jumper and the green strap for the christmas spirit
@@CWJY68 That sounds like a good pairing! Merry Christmas! I'm sure you'll enjoy this watch once you start wearing it!
@@TheTownWatch Thank you! Yes i would! Merry Christmas in advance to you and your family!
Great video Josh, I've been looking at these on a daily basis. Good to know!
Thanks for watching my friend! I'll keep everyone posted on this! It's really a beautiful piece!
This backward second hand move is called ’backhacking’.
I’m sure Marc from LongIslandWatch has a ’watch and learn’ video about it. 😉
So, on some movements without hacking you can move the second hand backward to use it as a hacking.
Mostly happened on old caliber when the power reserve is low.
Be careful not do it for too long as it could damage your movement as every pieces is running backward then.
A full power reserve with much more torque could really break something.
A few second at the time with low power reserve can make it as a ’hacking’.
Thanks. What is your opinion of when the second hand remained stopped once I pushed the crown back in?
@@TheTownWatch I'm not an expert but I guess if you shake it, it will put the pieces back in place.
And it might need a little more power to restart: so shake it and wind it. 😉
But like I said, don't do it too much, you risk damaging the movement.
I do it sometimes with my vintage Omega Constellation COSC from 1960 and it's still working perfectly.
@@TheTownWatch Back-hacking is possible on many movements, even in that of my modern Speedmaster Pro sandwich. When it's fully wound, slowly moving the crown counterclockwise can induce the cannon pinion to redirect the gear train backwards. However, the seconds fully stopping when the crown is pushed in is something I've noticed most on a couple of my vintage watches. What it means is that the watch isn't in beat. There are two banking pins on the main plate. The pallet fork should be centered between them when the power is released. I can't tell if the Hangzhou CAL5000A has a modern regulator arm and stud, which would simplify adjustment. This is obviously the tradeoff that you make at this price point. If Hangzhou movements underwent extensive adjustment before reaching Baltic, the watch would be more expensive. But Baltic really nailed the design and fit in my opinion. At this price point, I find this performance acceptable. You can take it to a watchmaker/servicer and just tell him/her to adjust the pallet fork between the banking pins and put the watch in beat. Alternatively you can just live with it as is. If it stops the next time you attempt to back-hack it, make a frisbee motion (but don't actually let it fly out of your hand). It should start back up. Or just avoid back-hacking. No big deal in my opinion. Acceptable. I'll even consider getting one. Thanks for your video.
@@erwind1257 Thanks for watching and sharing your detailed thoughts!
That's too bad about the hacking issue. I had this watch in my wish list, but I think I'll pass and move on. Thanks for pointing it out.
Thanks for watching! We'll see what Baltic says!
It doesn’t have a hacking feature. What happened in the video is call “back-hacking”. Happens to lots of Seiko movements without hacking
I think the back hacking is acceptable. Watch manufacturers just need to state it clearly on the manual. So that people don't freak out when they find out. In my opinion and form experience watches are designed to move forward. So I never advice setting the time backward. Thanks for the heads up though. I know what to expect when mine arrives. Cheers.
Thanks for watching! Hope you enjoy yours once it arrives!
I agree I never turn the hand's backwards in my opinion you should always turn hand's forwards that's the way there designed. But that's just me & the way I treat my watches .
Another great video brother and it’s a beautiful piece ❤️ I wish I would have picked up the salmon version. I do worry about that movement with in the long run, only time will tell 😊 congrats again my man 👏
Thanks Miguel! We'll see what Baltic says about the issue, if it's a problem or not.
How's the movement now. After 2 years
IMHO, Baltic did a bold and smart move to make an affordable micro-rotor watch with decent quality.
This is why the hype for this piece as one of the first affordable micro-rotor well done out of chinese usual quality.
Usually micro-rotor is found on very high-hand watches.
Nice piece indeed, in line with Baltic standard level of quality and all their straps are very good quality.
The price is correct for me as the quality of Baltic is very good.
My only small negative would be the 20 mm lug width that makes it look smaller.
But I get that Baltic keeps one size for their straps and it’s also easy to switch strap.
Thanks for watching my friend!
Nice review.
I had something similiar happen to a Vostok Automatic. I hand wound it, would not start. Shook it, would not start. Took the caseback off and tapped the escape wheel with a screwdriver, started running. Somehow the balance wheel got stuck. I think that is what happened, but I can not be sure. Kind of like top dead center.
I actually have a Baltic Dual crown, it’s very nice. That has a Miyota 9039, which is proven as a reliable movement.
I know what they are trying to do, but using an unproven Chinese movement is not a good idea. For me I would want a movement that has been proven to be reliable.
As for the price, it is assembled in France and is very well done. That adds cost. The movement was a Chinese, but definitely not the most basic. I would say the price isn’t terrible, the French assembly probably adds a lot.
Thanks for watching! I like Baltic as a brand, I'll try and keep everyone posted on how they handle my issue!
Don't know about the limited pieces,as they'll make another batch,as I was informed,which is not ok to the buyers who bought it due to the limited edition piece . Very nice watch indeed.
Thanks for watching! I heard they might make more too! I think the second batch won't be numbered though.
Yes,but if they say limited to 200 pcs each,then you don’t expect any more batches,numbered or not…that’s from my perspective,but they’re obviously too small,not making it more.Especially as it was high acclaimed piece.
@@1973833 True !
Great vid Josh. I almost bought the Solas Starlight with this same movement but it wasn't cheap. Still wish I had one.
Thanks for watching Hector!
Hi Josh. I have a couple friends that managed to pick one up. I'll reach out and ask if they're having the same experience and let you know. Otherwise it's beautiful. I was very tempted by it myself. Thanks!
Thanks for watching Bob! Yeah, I'd love to hear if they've had similar experiences or no! I'll keep everyone posted on my situation.
What did friends say ?
Looks good Josh. Super retro. Not my style but very beautiful. Curious about that second hand stopping like that.
Thanks for watching Matt! Will keep everyone posted once I hear back from Baltic.
The issue you mentioned is something I see happen on my Swatch Sistem51. It doesn’t completely stop but the second hand can be held in place when I move the minute hand backward.
Thanks for watching! Interesting!
I just got this watch and it just doesn’t feel solid to me in my hand or on my wrist. I think it’s because of the sounds it makes when I tap it. This is my first micro rotor so I didn’t know what to expect but it feels like things are loose in there. Is that normal?
I'm not sure if it's normal or not honestly. Thanks for watching.
Hello. Going to buy one one (silver MR01) when they become available again (which means in a few hours). You still suggest it after one year? (Great review, thanks a lot.)
Hello, thanks for watching and commenting. I sold this watch and did not have it for very long. Overall I think it is a very nice piece!
@@TheTownWatch Thank a lot for your reply!
Did you hear back from Baltic about the movement issue? I’m interested in the watch but hesitant because of the Chinese movement. Thanks!
Beautiful piece. The decorations in the movement is also an eye stopper. Great vid.
Thanks for watching!
Stainless steel case. Sapphire crystal, reputable auto mvmt. Those are the 3 qualities of a good watch for me, this watch violates 2/3 but it looks incredible. Could be worth retail, but not 2-3x
I hear what you're saying! Thanks for watching!
Interesting to see if the second batch that is just about to be released has any problems...
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These will be available for pre-order for 10 days starting on January 20th 2022.
Thanks for watching and for the info! I heard about that! Good thing for people who still want one!
Well sir , don't worry , this backward move of crown stops the second hand in many of the watches . And, when your watch's second hand stopped for too much time, it was also normal as u moved the crown backward almost Everytime you hold the crown 🤣
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Beautiful watch, definitely wanted the salmon dial variant. I will say that movement makes me nervous tho 🤔🤔
Thanks for watching Omar! We'll see what Baltic says about it!
@@TheTownWatch yeah keep us posted 😁🍻
@@timelesssneakersandwatches Will do!
Hey nice review - don’t think it is limited to 200 - but only the first 200 of each dial will be numbered.
Thanks for watching. You might be right about that! I've heard they might be making more of these.
Yes, confirmed. They were never limited editions, just first batch numbered.
I was also curious.Thanks for the explanation...
It’s a French watch. It simply went on strike for a moment.
😁 Thanks for watching!
I missed this one , I never turn the hand's backwards there designed to go clockwise but that's just my opinion . Did Baltic get back with you if so what did they say ?
I pretty much got the issue taken care of. Didn't keep it for very long, sold it. Thanks for watching Junior!
Dear sir , I may be wrong , but when u started shaking the watch, the movement made a cheap quality noise . I think this movement is very well decorated , but perhaps, not very well manufactured
Thanks for watching, you might be right.
Same think happens with the 7s26. It's called backhacking. Just don't do it hahaha it disengages the wheels since they're movements that are not designed to go back, just forth (at least i think so). I think Marc at LIW has a video about it
Thanks for watching! Yeah, I just want to be careful and make sure I don't break anything in the movement.
Did you hear back from them? I have two of these on order and I’m curious about the movement. Thx
I have an update video, please find it here - ua-cam.com/video/6UwyEqqDKWY/v-deo.html
Yeah! Let's see how the customer's service works.
Thanks for watching we'll see!
Sir, I think the "micro-rotor" of your watch is "dead" & not moving. Pls ask the manufacturer to rectify it!
This micro-rotor is designed to move swiftly but your is dead & not moving at all! 😢😢😢😢😢
Pretty, but I'm not that bothered by micro rotors generally but it's kinda cool niche idea for collectors. Not hackings a bit hmmmm,rather takes the gloss off the "value horology" usp
Thanks for watching!
It’s a lovely looking watch 😄
Thanks for watching! It's a beautiful piece!
Baltic makes some great looking watches, but I don't understand why they insist on putting esalite glass on the vintage style models, as well as the Bicompax. If until now I haven't bought a vintage style Baltic it's only for this reason. Let's hope they change their mind in the future.
Thanks for watching!
To my eye the rotor appeared to stop every time the crown was turned. Forward or backward, fast or slow. Then it would start once the crown stopped moving.
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the observations.
Hi..did you keep it...is it running OK..
I no longer have this watch. Thanks for watching.
I have that movement in a Lobinni and it doesn´t hand wind.
Interesting. Thanks for watching!
Hello, what is your wrist size? Nice review!
Thanks for watching! 6.5 inches.
Great video.
Thanks for watching glad you enjoyed!
What other watches use this microrotor movement?
There are a few I think, one is Lobinni or something like that. Thanks for watching.
Shame about the movement, honestly don't know why they chose an unproven and not very common movement. Yeah it looks nice but in a watch costing this much it isn't worth the risk. Should have stuck with the 9 series miyota imo. Nice work with the review though mate
Thanks my friend! I'll keep everyone posted on what Baltic says!
Can you name an affordable micro-rotor movement watch with that quality of finishing? So this is why: bold but smart.
@@oOoScarecrow31oOo there's a solas which has a micro rotor and is affordable but my issue isn't with the watch but the unproven movement
@@WesWatchRoom Solas uses the same movement if I am not wrong
No mention on the really noisy rotor and rattle?
Hi Josh, that is called "back hacking".
Thanks! So the "back hacking" is nothing out of the ordinary but what do you think about when I pushed the crown in and it stayed hacked?
@@TheTownWatch the short answer is no it won't hurt it but don't make the movement spin backwards. Check out Long Island watch and learn #60. Marc did a video on it.
It's a crappy movement. I would never own a watch with a Chinese movement and for that price point, they should get a Japanese movement. Those are inexpensive and reliable. And it's a shame, cuz I really like the dial.
It’s like a warning video.
Maybe they should put a Japanese or Swiss movement in it. I’d be happy to pay for it if it means giving less business to the Chinese. Why? Taiwan, Tibet, Uighur peoples, Tiananmen Square, willful neglect of international trade laws, etc.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! I definitely hear what you're saying but I would also say that every Chinese person or business is not directly or even indirectly involved in the atrocities of the of the CCP government. So I think a separation can be made with supporting a Chinese business (in this case, a movement manufacturer) and supporting the actual Chines government.
Chinese movement. If you missed the hype train for Baltic branding you can always find this movement for less under some other perhaps less marketed brand name. I.e. LOBINNI Watches Men Hangzhou 5000A will add the date complication for under $300. Not sure if in the end these Baltic watches maintain their elevated pricing, but I would not bet on it. It is a nice movement, but at the current rates going on eBay it would be hard to justify…. I wish Baltic was not creating the artificial constraint in supply, but if it works for them…
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
This was a good test and the movement failed.
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This watch is as polarizing as Donald Trump. Why a micro brand is limiting a best seller is financial suicide. Baltic will never be a “Lange” you can get a much cheaper watch at Orient bambino or even a Marlin Timex. And that Chinese caliber is basically a throw away. The cost is NOT justifiable.
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This watch isn't very original in its design. $630 for a cheap Chinese movement. That is so overpriced. Ridiculous.
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