Is the whiskey “NECK POUR" just nonsense?
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I've heard people say "Don't judge a whiskey by a neck pour" and honestly I think it's our version of "Don't judge a book by its cover." Don't judge a whiskey based on the first taste. Try it a couple times on different days, when you're in different moods, different environments. I think it just comes down to reps and context.
And that's totally good advice. I have to try a whisky 3 or 4 different times before I feel like I really know what to expect.
Unless it's Glenfiddich 12, lol. I have trying to like it but no go so far.
I appreciate this insight and is more aligned with my thinking. Thanks for sharing.
I agree with that, the first time I tried Jefferson small batch I loved it, second time on a different day I did not care for it, third time I liked it again.
Yep. Im more of a peat guy, Ardbeg got me into liking whisky, and i found out that at certain times i actually really enjoy the non peated whiskys
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I’ve noticed a significant difference after half a bottle. Was literally talking to a friend about it couple nights back
Half a bottle means you've probably opened that thing up at least four or five times and refreshed the air each time, along with giving it a larger amount of airspace. This definitely happens, but it's different from the neck pour phenomenon.
Did you conduct a side-by-side comparison ?
So I actually noticed this without hearing about it; my buddies dad turned me on to Redbreast 12 and I loved it, so I picked up a bottle for myself... I noticed it tasted drastically different then what he poured me, so I put it on the shelf and didn't touch it for a while. When I went back and tried it again, I noticed it had developed those flavors that I fell in love with when I tried it the first time. Since then I've always had a glass as soon as I bought a bottle and then let it sit on the shelf for a while before really breaking into it. I absolutely had NO idea this was a thing!
Neck pour doesn't exist the whiskey doesn't change. you change. your mood, your expectation, and even what you ate earlier that day affects it you had a high expectation for your first pour out of that first bottle you bought the whiskey didn't didn't meet that expectation you had a low expectation the next time you took a drink out of it the whiskey beat that expectation and now it's stuck in your head so you're convinced that the neck poor is never as Good as the next one when the truth is it's the exact same.
I has the exact same thing with the exact same bottle but rb12cs. I was angry after the first pour, debated giving it away. Back of the cabinet 3 months tried again and huge flavor difference with the nose and palate. Completely different wiskey and it became my favorite
I had this with a rum. Also had no idea of this being a thing. Opened a Foursquare Sagacity and thought it was harsh. Left it on the shelf a 2-3 weeks and tasted again, I liked it much more, I was surprised.
@@davidmcguire6043 how can you say for certain someone is wrong? I definitely get the effects of the bottle changing.
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Literally 😆 it's so funny that I'm like "OK I'll give it the time of day"
I bought a bottle of Angel's Envy recently, I was not too fond of the "neck pour" it was astringent much like an unripe persimmon. I went back to it a week later and the astringency was gone. I have the impression that the "neck pour" effect is real, but to what extent it affects a whisky is probably down to what kind of whisky it is.
I Agree that a good week or two after opening can effect some more then others, but somd bottles need it
I had that exact experience with Angels bourbon, left it on the shelf for 6-8 months and only used it for bourbon milkshakes occasionally. Wife picked it out as a blind pour and I was a huge fan after the time passed.
Had the same experience with the finished rye. Had a pour at a bar in the US and loved it, bought a bottle to bring back to Japan, and was disappointed (no maple, no cake frosting... just strange). I thought it was batch variation, but a couple weeks later it was just like I initially remembered it
It was refreshing to see Rex being the recipient of this episodes shenanigans. He's a real G for this one, cause I know that man absolutely hates eggs😂
I feel like another variable to consider is that even the "neck pour" isn't completely virgin and free of air exposure. Whiskey being bottled by hand or even on an automated line is exposed to air before being corked and packaged. As far as I know, they don't fill the empty space in the neck with an inert gas like argon before corking the bottle and packaging, so there still is air getting in there and reacting with the whiskey at the top.
It isn't exposed as long as a bottle that was opened once or twice at home and left on the shelf for months or a year, but still.
Briana is so descriptive when she's describing what she gets on the nose and what the products taste like! Also, props for the Sublime shirt.
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I did a whisky tasting months ago where I had a whisky that blew me away. It was incredibly complex, sweet and (I thought) lightly smoky. I got a bottle of it and had the first dram and it was completely different... basically just tasted like an ashtray. A few weeks later I tried it again and it was like I remember it the first time! Obviously completely unscientific but I’ve definitely experienced it.
I know exactly what you mean.
That has been very true for me as well. However really only on a couple of whiskys. Most are fine fr3shly opened. But some really need their time!
Should start doing triangle tests, it's more accurate to help see if you can find the odd one out. Plus, more whiskey to drink!
Totally agree. Also, did James Hoffmann put you up to this?!
My theory has always been that its not the whiskey itself changing, but us getting accustomed to it. We only pay attention to the neck pour when its a new bottle we havent had yet, so the neck pour is probably the first time we've had it. It takes several glasses to really get a feel of a new whiskey
I'm willing to bet the "neck pour" myth, like you said, comes from changes from peoples pallets. I opened a bottle of Redbreast 12 and thought I had found Nirvana on the first pour, and then thought the rest of the bottle was just ok.
You did fine Nirvana
That’s the Breast pour.
The problem with that explanation is that you create a hypothetical scenario where everyone has some fundamental shift in their palate every time they just happen to try a whiskey for the first time - sometimes even in the middle of a tasting flight. Truly remarkable!
The more realistic conclusion is that, with time & headspace in the bottle, the liquor evaporates and as it does so the water:ethanol ratio changes slightly. Some of the more volatile compounds in the intensely complex chemical soup that is aged whisky flash off, re-esterification happens as the ABV changes (given enough time and air) and chemical reactions occur which do change the experience of the whisky. Slightly. (Like the guys say, 5-10% at best.)
For me neck pour is an experience that happens when you try a new style/variety/bottle of whiskey for the first time. Your brain hasnt had a chance to figure it out. So all you taste/smell is what is most forward. Once your brain has had some time away from it, you're more likely to find things you were missing. It happened to me with my first bottle of Octomore. Hated it at first, but coming back to it a month later, it gave me all the malt/cereal richness behind the smoke since my brain knew what to expect.
And now I own something like 40 bottles just from Bruichladdich alone. :P
I agree with this. When I tried Laphroaig quarter cask as my first peaty whiskey, all I could taste was campfire. I can now taste some other notes as well.
Biggest change in favour is to drink your whisky room temperature or slightly warmer.
Had a Macallan Edition No. 2 that I bought for my wedding 2 years ago. Neither of us liked it right as we opened it, but a couple of days later my wife and I loved it. I've experienced it first hand but only with Macallan.
I’ve noticed the most significant differences between the neck pour and when you get past the shoulder with Peated whiskies and least noticeable with bourbons and blended Scotch.
Maybe pot vs column still could have something to do with how the oil behaves over time?
That last neck pour was brilliant.
I recently opened a Glen Scotia 15 y/o single malt and WHOOO-BOY what a Funk! Both on the nose and taste. After going past the shoulder it noticeably settled down.
I recently opened a £5 bottle of wine. That too had a definite funk, which also noticeably settled down once I threw it over my shoulder.
Haven’t watched the video yet but for me, the “neck pour” being different than the rest of the bottle is definitely true-at least with some bottles.
The neck pour for Old Forrester 1920 was TERRIBLE. It was so bad I almost cried for spending as much I did on it! After a week, it began opening up and it eventually became one of my favorite bottles of whiskey ever.
A good way to check if people can tell the difference between two things is pour 3 glasses, and see if they can tell the odd one out of the 3. Because if you just pour two, people might think they sense something when they actually don't.
This is a great point. For people not familiar with the process, you would pour 3 glasses from bottle ‘A’ and 3 from bottle ‘B’, then swap one glass from each group so that you have a group with AAB and a group with BBA. If the difference is significant, you should be able to pick the odd glass from each group.
For those of you interested in trying it for yourself, it's called a triangle test.
Greg Vangsness here. Try this with a bottle of Lagavulin 16 that is a quarter full (& opened for a few months at least) and a brand new bottle. The New bottle is definitely more closed/tight and I'm gonna say sharper more marine and iodine than one that has had time to oxidise in good ways and shows up the citrus notes to a greater extent. Cheers. (Oh, AND I prefer the L16 when it has oxidised! I open a new bottle, taste to create some space, and leave it alone for a couple of weeks before I use the bottle again. Friends have tried the challenge you put your minions through, on me, and I pick many many whiskies time and time again. It's become a party trick with the bottles I have in my small collection.)
I guess Cory needed a drink to calm his nerves from working with The Modern Rogue.
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I think there probably is a psychological effect where we are just excited to open a new bottle... you know. That could be a thing also.
Yes, my thoughts too.
It can be because you are not used to flavor. I remember when I opened my glendronach 12 and it got better at the middle.. Idk why
I’ve had it where the more times I drink it the less notes I find, but that’s probably due to becoming acclimated to it I would assume? When I first had Buffalo Trace I absolutely loved it. But by the time I finished the bottle a few months later I felt like I had to choke it down because it tasted awful
I had a bottle once, I think it was Thistlefinch Rye, where I swear up and down that the first pour tasted distinctly like green apple skins. In fact, it was so appley that my wife and I both had to check the label to make sure it wasn't a flavored whiskey. After that first pour though, green apple notes were buried in the background (if we could find it at all) and the thing tasted much more like raisins and oatmeal. Was this some kind of "neck pour" effect? Was the whiskey just interacting with something we had eaten that day? Were we just under some kind of weird delusion? To this day I couldn't tell you for sure.
I grabbed a bottle of Larceny recently. Never tried it before. First few pours on it we're awful. Bitter, tannic and tasted like corn husks. I left it in the cabinet about a week and it got 100% better. Then became sweet and actually drinkable. Still had a hint of the corn husks. Almost poured it out, it was that bad. Glad I waited.
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Yes they get opened and put away . I have noticed a corked bottle.will change for better or worse ? . I have noticed the change my self.
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The biggest barrel drift I have ever experienced was Koval's Burbon. I am still questioning whether or not they changed the recipe. I didn't even taste them back to back. I opened a new bottle, sipped it, and it was like everything I specifically liked about that burbon was gone.
"It tastes better once you get past the neck pour" just sounds like a futsy excuse for a refill. Am I right or am I right?
The only bottle I found that changed was JW Green. Or maybe I just warmed to the flavour...
Yes, I agree thatJW Green changed in flavour from the neck pour
I don't often taste much of a difference between the "neck pour" and the rest of the bottle, but my first pour of my first bottle of Green Spot tasted like paint. My roommate said he tasted straight alcohol and poured his out. Glass 3 a few days later was fantastic and I tasted all the flavors most people find in Green Spot.
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I notice a distinct difference from the first pour and a second, usually weeks or a month or so later. I have a good size whisk(e)y collection, and being a pro brewer, beer tends to be my regular drinker. Early on in my whisky exploration, I noticed if I didn’t care for a whisky and then came back to it after a month or so, I usually liked it more. I find oxidation is good for whisk(e)ys that have a more aggressive fusel ethanol profile. I usually tell new people to whisk(e)y, if you don’t like a new bottle, give it a couple weeks (less if your bottles are stored in a warmer environment) and try it again. Some distillers talk about volatile offgassing in the neck, but the density of whisk(e)y is pretty uniform, and pouring it doesn’t mean you’re getting what’s just at the top, so it has to be oxidation that is what’s giving you that change. I find it’s more obvious in Scottish whiskies than US. And it gets worse with time and headspace. I have this terrible Kirk and Sweeney 23 yo rum that I pretty much forgot about/ignored for a few years that’s about half empty. Had some a week or so about, and it’s not even drinkable anymore. I don’t mix spirits with sodas (and don’t really drink soda either), but this one is only drinkable with something like Coke at this point. I have some whisk(e)ys that have been open for almost a decade and they are still decently palatable.
My first bottle after discovering you MBs was Monkey Shoulder. At first I didn't like the musty nose nor the palette. But surprisingly, after the neck pour, I started to to notice the sweetness and I started to like it. I don't attribute this to the neck pour but rather to me getting more assimilated to the whiskey. The same thing happened to me with Ardbeg. Didn't like it at first. The smoke was overwhelming. But then I found myself craving that smokey goodness.
I've noticed a difference between first pour and pours months later, but it's usually only after the bottle is like half gone. I've always assumed it's the extra air, but it could also be what I ate that day or the mood I'm in.
Pre and Post - neck pour whiskeys might also differ a lot because when opening, you change the air from the distillery (or bottling plant, if shenanigans are afoot) with the air of wherever you, the whiskey opener, are at.
I've found the neck pour dilemma to only really be a factor for bourbon; specifically old (10+ yr) or high proof bourbon. I was truly disappointed in my 14 yr Sam Houston until I came back to it months later; now it's fantastic. Same with McKenna 10 yr bib, neck pour is fine, but then it always seems to get better with time. Stagg Jr. is nearly undrinkable out of a fresh bottle, but after it breathes it's amazing. I've never had an issue with neck pours from my Scotch, Irish, or Japanese whisky.
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Thoughts on a single bottle experiment. Use some sort of thin gauge needle to go through the cork, aspirate the appropriate amount of whiskey into a sealed glass vial of some sort with minimal air introduction. Now you have a more or less sealed, air tight sample of the neck. Then you can go ahead an open the bottle cork and let the air come in as is the normal process. Theoretically, the sealed sample will be exposed to minimal amounts of air as you store it along with the bottle.
I've had some go the other way. Jameson cask mates stout was an oatmeal cream pie the first couple pours. Fell flat on its face half way through the bottle.
I feel like there was a cream pie in the face joke waiting to happen there. 🥧
I definitely find whiskies harsher when I first open a bottle. Always assumed it was either how it's been kept or simply that my palette takes some time to adjust, especially since I only drink 1-2 bottles a year.
Evaporation over time on even a full bottle will change taste of whiskey. All you have to do is try dusty bourbon to see that. A 1981 bottle of Wild Turkey 8 year 101 in 1981 tasted a lot different than if it were kept sealed till today and then opened. Because corks aren’t air tight and evaporation happens over time.
So even if you pour out the neck, and then keep it for a few months, particularly in a sunny or warm room, the taste will change.
But generally, I agree most people claiming “neck pour” are susceptible to other factors.
I’ve got a different experience between the neck-pour vs rest of bottle for my kilchomans and yoichi (normal & grande) .. for the others, it’s been a similar experience
To me the neck pour has always been the most delicious to me. This probably is because that's also the first time I'm tasting the whisk[e]y. So far on my whisk[e]y journey, apart from an accidental order of 2 Wild Turkey Rare Breed bottles, I've yet to buy a bottle twice. And yeah, the experience of the neck pour on the second bottle of Rare Breed wasn't the same as the first.
Not expecting a reshoot, but for anyone who is planning to test this for themselves, it is probably more consistent from a flavour drift perspective to buy both bottles at the same time, open one and drink a dram out of it then leave both (one unopened and one bellow the neck) for a reasonable time, they did a year but like 4ish months is probably more than enough.
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So before watching, i am a firm believer in the neck pour purely for the fact that many times i have cracked open a new bottle, and i either didn't like it, or it wasn't as good as i had hoped. And then months later i come back to it and i like it more from then on 🤷 If i went back and forth on it, that might just be differing taste day to day, or what i ate before trying influencing it. But without fail, i have liked it everytime i tried it after. Also, there are some i never end up liking, so it isn't me just liking everything eventually lol
A really good idea for an episode! My worthless two cents...the "neck pour" really isn't just the "neck pour." It really depends on the whiskey. Some are already where they need to be from the beginning. One of my theories is that the degree of filtration and proof(not just age or the unique attributes of that particular whiskey) tend to indicate whether something needs more or less time to open up, either in the glass, or in the bottle. One of the most dramatic differences I experienced was with the Bardstown Discovery batch 3 as well as a bottle of Tomatin 18. I really didn't care for either until they were almost half down. In the case of Tomatin, it was really harsh at first. After it sat there for a few months, when I came back, it was a completely different animal. Whiskey definitely opens up in the glass as it interacts with the air, and as the bottle gets lower, it can almost be "pre-opened." Meaning, it doesn't need as much time in the glass to open up. In order to test this, you would really need two identical bottles(same batch), and have one at least half way down for over a month. I would do this with a dozen or so different bottles, and blind test with a larger group of people. The less information the testees(that's a fun word to say) have, the better. There should be at least 3 samples per pour. Sometimes they might all be from the same bottle to control for the placebo effect. And, you need to do it multiple times over the course of at least a week, to account for our fluctuating palate. But...who has time for that. Another idea to test how whiskey opens up as it interacts with the air, is to use a wine aerator. Try this with a freshly opened bottle. Compare a straight pour with another that's been aerated at least a few times.
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Nice! I have 2 bottles that over a short time have gotten better. Henry McKenna 10yr and ECBP A122 both went from hot fire not much flavor to warm and flavorful:)
I honestly think that the difference in taste is usually found in the very first drink because it is someone’s first drink of the day. Their palate is not acclimated yet so their is a larger impact on the first taste. You know, trying that new bottle on a fresh palate to not have the flavor effected by a previous drink, but really affecting it more due to being the first drink and your mouth nerves are still pissed off
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I've had whiskies radically change but they can do so multiple times and not just in the neck pour and usually, this happens after days and not "as soon as the neck pour is gone its good" but then again I can adapt as I drink it etc.
This video and the comments amaze me where we are not all in agreement that there is a distinct difference between neck pours and a bottle that's revisited 24hrs to a week later. I'm pretty much just for the bourbon, is that the difference? The neck pours for me are so lacking in flavor that I sometimes will pour the first 2oz for an Old Fashioned and then let the bottle sit for a few days before I'll come back to it. New labels or old friends, makes no difference. When I first tried Old Forester 1920 I couldn't even get the chocolate notes everyone was talking about, last night what stood out to me was everything in s'mores, one of my most surprising and favorite delicious experiences. I don't judge on neck pours at all anymore.
I never really thought the neck pour changed a whiskey, but once I get between the top of the label to mid bottle is where I start to notice a change (more so in a rye too). But it’s like Rex mentioned at 21:34 ...depends on how much you’re opening and closing the bottle. Loved this one, cheers! 🥃
Love this episode! Picked up a Balcones Pot Still early last winter. The first two pours were TOTAL chocolate covered cherries. Haven't found that note since.
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Question: for neck pour, post neck pour, or even late pour, would shaking the bottle affect anything? (Aeration, consistent flavor, etc.)
depends on the bottle and distillery. eh Taylor doesn't have any of the red fruit notes on the neck pour that just explode on the shoulder pour with cherry and strawberry. knob creek neck pours are pretty much all there and won't change on the next pour
I haven’t noticed the difference in lower proof whiskeys. I have noticed it in my barrel proof Jack and the cask proof redbreast. I went further than just the neck pour. More like a quarter of the bottle missing.
With scotch I've never really noticed a big difference over the first few days open. However, w bourbon I feel it changes significantly over the first few days. Some bourbons taste like a whole new experience. Maybe it's the relative youth for most bourbons.
Interestingly I have experienced this with two very different whisk(e)ys, both were absolutely stunning when first opened but deteriorated markedly after a time. The second one I experienced this with was only a few weeks ago, when first opened, stunning (consumes about 1/4 of the bottle with friends, after about 3 weeks, tried it with another friend and it was still good but different and not quite as smooth as the first pour (I did think at the time that it was just me tasting it differently), after watching this video, I tried it again (after another couple of weeks) and it is now very different to what it was when first opened.
find bottles that have changed significantly over time and gotten "better". Measure abv. Match abv with a new bottle. Compare between every version 1) new 2) improved open whisky 3) new proofed down to match (2)
I've noticed that some whiskeys change a lot and some remain virtually unchanged. But as you said, you might need to get a quarter of the way into the bottle to notice those changes. Things like peated whiskeys open up and become a little bit less astringent. And sherry, port, wine finished whiskeys get a little sweeter, lighter, and more fruity.
Whiskeys like rye and bourbon might be too wood heavy to notice a change.
Great vid. My take on the the neck pour, I don't like the name as it suggests (and has been witnessed by me as a statement/suggestion from a bunch of whisk(e)y tubers) that the first drams in the neck of a bottle are/taste different (usually stronger alcohol, less balanced) from the rest of the bottle. While my 15 years of experience show that most whisky changes over time since the added oxygen via air taking the whisky's place in the bottle is a strong reagant, I strongly objekt the notion I've heard that it's got to do with the neck containing sth els than e.g. the bottom of said whisky when freshly opened. (Otherwise you'd just need to shake it before opening, et voila, no neck pour! ;-) ) Imho as a general rule younger (Scotch single malt) whiskies @ higher abv change the most from very aggressive and spikey to mellowed down, more balanced over prolonged contact with air, i.e. oxygen. How often did I think I wasted my money on a real dud which eventually turned out to become quite a cracker after weeks/months untouched on my shelf... XD With Blended/low abv. whiskies and young Islays exposure to air can surlely change their taste a bit or even a bit more over time, but not necessarily always to the better, also a principle that applies to your last couple of drams of a great cask strength bottlings saved up for 10 years in a nigh empty bottle, for that matter. So better use some inert gas or just decant into a smaller vessel and seal tight.
Again, Idk where the term neck pour has its origins, but here in Germany we tend to speak of "newly/freshly opened bottle (syndrome)" when referring to some wild whiskey which probably needs some weeks/months in contact with more air to show its full potential as it does not matter how much you drink of a fresh bottle on day 1, it will pretty much be still same on the next day. 🙂
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Using bottles that have been open for a year is pretty generous and more than fair for the sake of this experiment. Neck-pour zealots often claim the whiskey "opens up" in as little as the first week, or even some hours! I hope this vid makes some people think twice about giving wacky advice on neck pour on the Tribe FB page.
(we all know it won't tho)
A friend of mine always claimed they could taste the cork in the first pour...despite the fact that the bottle gets mixed up very easily...
The neck pour is when I pour it down my gullet.
It seems the most astringent parts of the whiskey like to settle up there. Even sometimes after flipping the bottle, the first few pours usually seem just a bit more flavor packed
Just heard a distiller talk about the science behind this and even with a first pour most is not coming from the top of the bottle.
@@stacieh4023 interesting well it does seem the first stuff to pour out is certainly different than most of my bottles
@@peaceandwealthseeker4504 I can’t say I notice much difference personally
Having one or two drams of whiskey after dinner is something I truly enjoy. To me, many neck pours can be sharp/harsh/ethanol-y/disjointed. I usually notice differences in the 3rd or 4th pour. Tamer, more rounded, profile opens more.
Not to move the goal posts, but the opened bottles in your "anecdotal Nickelodeon" experiment appear to have one pour worth of air space. I'm guessing there'd be a nominal change.
I've noticed a more drastic change with finished bourbons and ryes. Armida and Seagrass definitely became more rounded and easier to approach. Seems if the finishing is heavy handed (like Rabbit Hole Derringer), the change may not as noticeable over time.
High proof juice loses a lot of its profile notes and potency in the last third of the bottle if kept for too long. Most recent example was Elijah Craig Barrel Proof B519 - died when I went back to it after sitting at 1/3 full for 8 months.
I drink mostly at home, so rarely have extraneous influences on how I interpret a bottle. I almost always go through a "pregame warmup" of brushing and flossing my teeth, scrape my tongue and rinse mouth with plain water to assure as level of a playing field when I drink. Usually don't drink two to three consecutive days to reset my palate.
So funny I found this episode now. I just opened my first bottle of Elijah Craig Private Selection. When I opened it last week, the neck pour I absolutely tasted quite a bit of musty ness that was a bit unpleasant. Last night I had two more and that mustiness is gone and I love it!
Part of the legend is the higher abv the higher the difference. Then u guys went all 80-86 proofers 😅
100% shocker you can't notice a difference in something that is 60% water.
I appreciate this episode! I would have been surprised if there had been any evidence of a difference between neck pour and non-neck pour... I just can't imagine how that could possibly make an appreciable difference. Not a definitive take down, of course (chemical analysis would do the trick), but for people who have tasted so much whisk(e)y to not be able to distinguish anything beyond what could attributed to palate acclimation or drift tells me that I would have a LONG way to go in my journey before giving even the slightest consideration to this kind of thing.
When you pour a container out, it doesn't only pull from the top. Since you're rotating the bottle sideways to pour, you'll be getting the front or back of the bottle (whichever is pointing up), not the top. The only way to properly separate the top from the bottom is with a straw while the bottle is upright.
This explained why the first sip of my new Whiskey is so different than the rest of the bottle!
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The Macallan is more significant to air oxidation is because of the cork. Screw cork is pretty air tight compared to cork. That's why expensive wines always use cork for slowly maturation in the bottle. Also, higher abv is more significant to the "neck pour" situation imo.
It's not so much about how much is left in the bottle, but how LONG the bottle has been opened. Oxidation would take a while, so a "neck pour" that has been opened for a week vs. a "full" bottled that has been opened for 6 months, will see the latter taking on a less aggressive posture for the drinkers. That's been my experience. "Time" not "space."
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As a native Buckeye as well, where in Ohio does Briana hail from...?
This is interesting. I don't know how scientific it is, but I've definitely noticed flavours changing, evolving, opening up and whatnot over time the longer some bottles sit in my cabinet after that initial opening, especially with my rums (though i have an Old Forester bourbon that's mellowed out quite a bit over time too). Might bear more testing, i guess that'll come with time. Cheers!
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Honestly I assumed "neck pour" meant you hold the bottle by the neck when you pour. I got a lot to learn.
I've been using an aerator for years. But, it's the type that you hold over the glass. I use it on higher proof stuff so I don't have to add water.
I start to notice the change a bit more once I get through about 20-25% of the bottle and have it sit for about 3 or so months I always equated it oxidation
Not sure if anyone has suggested this yet but it may be worth while to revisit this using two bottles from the same single barrel. Open one now and set one aside to open a year later.
I wanted to try a Japanese whiskey, just to see how I liked it. Tasted like gasoline. Ugh - wonder if now it'll taste different because we poured some off and it's been opened.
I DID notice that the Wyoming Whiskey small batch I got almost 2 years ago, and a coworker drank about 4/5ths of it, is absolutely brimming with vanilla flavors that I didn't taste the first time through.