Not being ready when Jesus returns can result in spiritual apathy by keeping our toes dipped in the things of this world. That is the price we risk for not living in the truth that Jesus can return at any moment. Our King is coming back. Are we ready or are we asleep? A well developed biblical eschatology helps us understand the truth and reality of end times and produces a worldview where Jesus is returning at any moment so in spite of what the world does, we live in that hope and promise. We keep our eyes on Jesus Christ. Always. The Matthew 25:13 parable of the ten virgins reminds us to be ready to attend the wedding feast and be wise so that we have enough oil for our lamps when the bridegroom arrives so that we can enter the wedding feast with Him. Thanks for this podcast reminding all of us why eschatology matters in a very practical way.
Why do you keep saying “we”. Salvation is individual. You are going to be surprised of all the ppl that are sitting in your church and elsewhere that aren’t going to be in heaven.
Each and every day that God gives us to live on this earth, is not to be wasted. We are told to "look up" that's a good start, for redemption is closer than it has ever been in any of our lifetimes. Prophecy keeps us honest, w an URGENCY, how great and genius was the mystery of God rolled out from then to now, to keep us on our toes. What needs to be preached more, is what the young scholar Kyle said here, do you really want to be caught doing what you ought not on the last day of your life on earth. Each day is a precious gift to give God glory, to bring God glory, and to live walking with Him in that glorious sanctification He started and will finish in those who are His.
I’m a partial Preterist PostMillennialist and I’m thoroughly convinced by scripture. What stopped me in my eschatological tracks was Matthew 24:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” It made no sense that this text meant a generation thousands of years in the future. It meant the generation Christ was speaking to and it was fulfilled in the destruction of the temple in AD70 and the tribulation leading up to it. All well documented history of God’s judgement on the covenant breaking Jews. Once I came to partial preterism, I became Amil for a time (parking lot of eschatology) and have now been fully convinced that the optimistic eschatology of PostMillennialism is true. You guys say that calling dispensationalism eschatology pessimistic is inaccurate however you have people in your camp saying “we don’t polish brass on a sinking ship” and “we lose here”. What does that belief system do to your time on earth? Are you building for your great great grandchildren or are you convinced your generation is it? From my experience with Dispensationalists (whom I love dearly), they believe the latter. Dispensationalism/rapture theology was born out of the 1800s along with end time cults like Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and SDA. That’s not a good history. Chin up church, Christ will have the nations (Psalm 2), he’s ruling & reigning from the right hand now (Dan 7), he will return once his enemies have been made a footstool (Psalm 110:1, 1 Corinthians 15) 🙌🏻
Also according to your standards, Revelation would have to make sense to it’s first century audience. If it’s written for us (2000+ years in the future), it meant nothing to them. It was written to first century believers about about God’s judgement about to befall Jerusalem. The language of stars falling, moon darkening, riding on the clouds, is all OT symbolic language that judgement was coming. (See Isaiah 19:1, Isaiah 13:10, Joel 2:10, Amos 8:9, etc)
I was listening to C.S. Lewis' Screwtape Letters on audio within the last couple weeks and started looking into Mr. Lewis himself. Apparently he was hung up on that very verse in Matthew 24 you brought up here, saying “It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.” The inference is Jesus was wrong about the end of the world coming within that generation. I got sidetracked from Lewis into finally taking a look into eschatological views and came to conclusion post mil made the most sense. I have yet to hear a sound Biblical argument for the ever popular premil dispensationalist view and was kind of hoping they would get into that with this podcast. I love Johnny Mack but can't understand why he goes with the seemingly cartoonish Left Behind eschatology so prevalent in the culture. I'll keep digging. He's been sound on everything else, Redeemer too. Jesus was not a false prophet, which, if I were to side with the premil view, would have to admit, pere Deuteronomy 28. Matthew 24 is paramount to one's understanding of the last days. It tripped me up in the reading of it for a long time but totally makes sense if you believe what Jesus said, that He was speaking to that generation.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 is what I was referring to - the test of a prophet. Apparently R.C. Sproul jumps in and clarifies this text in Matthew where Jesus said to the audience before Him that the things He spoke of would happen in their generation and not abstractly to some future generation. Sproul wrote a book called "The Last Days According to Jesus", which looks to be a not too long book. Anyway, I had to clarify.
@INAH SONG but that isn't communicated in the text. He said, "...this generation", referring to those to whom He was speaking. At another point in this discourse Jesus describes some group of people who behave immorality and tells his audience not to interact with them. By your reasoning, He is at some points speaking to His audience, those hearing Him at that time, and at other points He is speaking to a future generation. This is not consistent.
Proper eschatology will ensure proper ecclesiology. Not going beyond the Lord's full intent for the church in this age but also not being beneath. Both are an equal reproach and doesn't have to be so.
The parable about the master returning in the middle of the night, wouldn't make sense post mil, because there would be a thousand years of peace, so you wouldn't be surprised, correct?
Are the first 11verses of John 8 part of scripture. Our pastor bypasses it. May not be part of scripture. So was Paul wrong in Timothy about all scripture - Jn8:1-11?
There is a defference between historical Premillennialism vs Depensationalism(Darbyism- 200years old), when we look at church history Historical Premillennialism,Amillennialism, Postmillennialism had alot in common and common ground that all change when Darbyism(which Spurgeon denounced Darby), Darbyism(Dispensationalism) is what has divided the Church. As Darbyism/Dispensationalism has roots in Arminianism and is not compatible to Reformed/Calvinist theology. Redeemer please read the book "Dispensationalism: rightly dividing the people of God?" By Keith Mathison. And do a review of it
A couple of questions. Is this church not Calvinistic? What does “revival” mean to you? The only denomination that I have heard that talks about revival is the Pentecostal. From my personal experience their “revival” was not from Christ.
How absolutely refreshing!! Thank you.
Excellent teaching! Covers the topic from a scriptural viewpoint. 👍
Really encouraging gentlemen. Appreciate the discussion!
📖✝️❤️🙏🏻 Remembering daily, our first love, The Lord Jesus.
Not being ready when Jesus returns can result in spiritual apathy by keeping our toes dipped in the things of this world. That is the price we risk for not living in the truth that Jesus can return at any moment. Our King is coming back. Are we ready or are we asleep? A well developed biblical eschatology helps us understand the truth and reality of end times and produces a worldview where Jesus is returning at any moment so in spite of what the world does, we live in that hope and promise. We keep our eyes on Jesus Christ. Always. The Matthew 25:13 parable of the ten virgins reminds us to be ready to attend the wedding feast and be wise so that we have enough oil for our lamps when the bridegroom arrives so that we can enter the wedding feast with Him. Thanks for this podcast reminding all of us why eschatology matters in a very practical way.
Why do you keep saying “we”. Salvation is individual. You are going to be surprised of all the ppl that are sitting in your church and elsewhere that aren’t going to be in heaven.
Very helpful, thank you guys!
Each and every day that God gives us to live on this earth, is not to be wasted. We are told to "look up" that's a good start, for redemption is closer than it has ever been in any of our lifetimes. Prophecy keeps us honest, w an URGENCY, how great and genius was the mystery of God rolled out from then to now, to keep us on our toes. What needs to be preached more, is what the young scholar Kyle said here, do you really want to be caught doing what you ought not on the last day of your life on earth. Each day is a precious gift to give God glory, to bring God glory, and to live walking with Him in that glorious sanctification He started and will finish in those who are His.
I’m a partial Preterist PostMillennialist and I’m thoroughly convinced by scripture.
What stopped me in my eschatological tracks was Matthew 24:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.”
It made no sense that this text meant a generation thousands of years in the future. It meant the generation Christ was speaking to and it was fulfilled in the destruction of the temple in AD70 and the tribulation leading up to it. All well documented history of God’s judgement on the covenant breaking Jews.
Once I came to partial preterism, I became Amil for a time (parking lot of eschatology) and have now been fully convinced that the optimistic eschatology of PostMillennialism is true.
You guys say that calling dispensationalism eschatology pessimistic is inaccurate however you have people in your camp saying “we don’t polish brass on a sinking ship” and “we lose here”.
What does that belief system do to your time on earth? Are you building for your great great grandchildren or are you convinced your generation is it?
From my experience with Dispensationalists (whom I love dearly), they believe the latter.
Dispensationalism/rapture theology was born out of the 1800s along with end time cults like Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and SDA. That’s not a good history.
Chin up church, Christ will have the nations (Psalm 2), he’s ruling & reigning from the right hand now (Dan 7), he will return once his enemies have been made a footstool (Psalm 110:1, 1 Corinthians 15) 🙌🏻
Also according to your standards, Revelation would have to make sense to it’s first century audience. If it’s written for us (2000+ years in the future), it meant nothing to them. It was written to first century believers about about God’s judgement about to befall Jerusalem.
The language of stars falling, moon darkening, riding on the clouds, is all OT symbolic language that judgement was coming. (See Isaiah 19:1, Isaiah 13:10, Joel 2:10, Amos 8:9, etc)
I was listening to C.S. Lewis' Screwtape Letters on audio within the last couple weeks and started looking into Mr. Lewis himself. Apparently he was hung up on that very verse in Matthew 24 you brought up here, saying “It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.” The inference is Jesus was wrong about the end of the world coming within that generation. I got sidetracked from Lewis into finally taking a look into eschatological views and came to conclusion post mil made the most sense. I have yet to hear a sound Biblical argument for the ever popular premil dispensationalist view and was kind of hoping they would get into that with this podcast. I love Johnny Mack but can't understand why he goes with the seemingly cartoonish Left Behind eschatology so prevalent in the culture. I'll keep digging. He's been sound on everything else, Redeemer too. Jesus was not a false prophet, which, if I were to side with the premil view, would have to admit, pere Deuteronomy 28. Matthew 24 is paramount to one's understanding of the last days. It tripped me up in the reading of it for a long time but totally makes sense if you believe what Jesus said, that He was speaking to that generation.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 is what I was referring to - the test of a prophet. Apparently R.C. Sproul jumps in and clarifies this text in Matthew where Jesus said to the audience before Him that the things He spoke of would happen in their generation and not abstractly to some future generation. Sproul wrote a book called "The Last Days According to Jesus", which looks to be a not too long book. Anyway, I had to clarify.
He meant the generation that experiences the beginning of sorrows
@INAH SONG but that isn't communicated in the text. He said, "...this generation", referring to those to whom He was speaking. At another point in this discourse Jesus describes some group of people who behave immorality and tells his audience not to interact with them. By your reasoning, He is at some points speaking to His audience, those hearing Him at that time, and at other points He is speaking to a future generation. This is not consistent.
Eschatology can be confusing- because I believe some of it hasn’t happened yet! I lean towards premillennialism. It makes more sense to me
@deespence8629
You lean towards it because it's biblical. 🙂
If u just read Matthew 24 it is a grand summary of the total eschatology of the end times. And He tells it in the order of events to happen
Proper eschatology will ensure proper ecclesiology. Not going beyond the Lord's full intent for the church in this age but also not being beneath. Both are an equal reproach and doesn't have to be so.
So, are we Pre-Mil/Pre-Trib?
The parable about the master returning in the middle of the night, wouldn't make sense post mil, because there would be a thousand years of peace, so you wouldn't be surprised, correct?
NVM, Pastor Kyle basically just said the same thing @23:30. lol
Are the first 11verses of John 8 part of scripture.
Our pastor bypasses it.
May not be part of scripture. So was Paul wrong in Timothy about all scripture - Jn8:1-11?
There is a defference between historical Premillennialism vs Depensationalism(Darbyism- 200years old), when we look at church history Historical Premillennialism,Amillennialism, Postmillennialism had alot in common and common ground that all change when Darbyism(which Spurgeon denounced Darby), Darbyism(Dispensationalism) is what has divided the Church. As Darbyism/Dispensationalism has roots in Arminianism and is not compatible to Reformed/Calvinist theology. Redeemer please read the book "Dispensationalism: rightly dividing the people of God?" By Keith Mathison. And do a review of it
A couple of questions. Is this church not Calvinistic? What does “revival” mean to you? The only denomination that I have heard that talks about revival is the Pentecostal. From my personal experience their “revival” was not from Christ.
in defense of Todd and 3rd catchers on teams you will notice that Kyle and Jon are in black, which is the color of the SF Giants, lol.