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Yoda wouldnt have let Anikan suffer. As practical as killing Veder would be...it would also be allowing Anikan peace.
No yoda would have won much earlier probably killing him inside the facility before the duel even reached the lava river
I don't see Yoda being merciless like that. He probably would've given Anakin a swift death.
@@trevorhogen7761 a Swift Death is the way of the Jedi. Sadistic death is the way of Sith
Anikan
I think Yoda would have killed Vader, but during direct combat in defense. I also think Obi-Wan would have survived. He may not have defeated Palpatine but he'd have survived and escaped like Yoda. I don't care what anyone says, the Obi-Wan at the end of ROTS was like Windu level. It's almost as if getting knocked out by Dooku gave him a power up.
Anakin seemed to have a lot of respect for Yoda. He never directly challenged him. He sought Yoda out to help him with his “nightmares”. With how many Jedi their seemed to be and with everything Yoda had to do he also took time to talk with Anakin, which I’m guessing was a rare thing. So either Yoda liked him or at least thought he was important to the Jedi.
I can see a mutual respect there. I think the problem with the Order was they always counted the ones that turned to the Dark Side as too far gone. There was too much dogma in the Order period. I don't know, I will just say it felt mutual until it wasn't. 🤷
Respect or not Yoda would kill him without a doubt. Obi wan was never as strong in the force as Yoda but was more skilled in combat
@@timgibney5590 More skilled in defense maybe.... Obi-wan is master defense, and also tactics and distraction. Yoda will face you. Obi-wan will trick you, wear you down, and outsmart you. But hes much less likely to attack or make quick decisive acts
@@timgibney5590 Yoda was on par with or greater than Dooku as a duelist. Someone Obi Wan never got the better of.
@@dverarde84 The Jedi Order was around for 1000 years, and it didn't go down the drain until Anakin was admitted. You say there was too much dogma, but the real problem was that Anakin thought he was an exception to the rules.
I think it wouldn't have been a light saber duel at all. Obi wan and anakin were mostly evenly matched in the force at that point as anakin hadn't mastered his new dark side abilities. So it came down to who could win in a saber duel. Yoda wouldn't have had to draw his light saber. He would have raggy dolled anakin about that platform and thrown his ass in the lava. After a stern lecture on the true meaning on the force obviously. Lol
Lol I agree
😂 Definitely
Nah a lightsaber battle would've happened but Yoda would've finished him easily. Anakin may have had experience during the Clone Wars but Yoda has much more experience and is much more in tune with the force. Anakin never faced Yoda's level of speed and skill
I honestly dont think anakin would have even had the balls to face yoda. he pretty much tried to sneak attack any semi powerful master in the attack on the jedi temple. he was willing to fight obi wan head up, because he did believe he was more powerful, he likely would have hopped on his ship, and fled if yoda showed up
I disagree. I think Anakin had more of “the force” and he relied on that. Obi-Wan was dedicated, hard working even tempered and was humble. Basically he was a better Jedi.
They were evenly matched as duelist, but not in the force.
When yoda pulls up to fight the bosses he be having that look on his face like why you make me come outside to have to put them hands on you bruh 😂
Ngl you have become my favourite star wars channel. It used to be star wars theory, but he stopped focusing on star wars theory videos and now just live streams for super chats. I'm very grateful for this channel. 🙏💯
Yup, I stopped following SWT too
Honestly dude, I was thinkin the same thing the other day. Star Wars Theory is great, but you truly dive deep into these theories, and have a voice that anticipates the outcome of the video.
Very talented, keep it up dude, u got my subscription 👍
I stopped watching cause I’m a binge watched and he covers every new episodes of shows when they come out
I haven’t been liking his videos since he started face cam and all of that stuff ngl
Yoda would’ve clapped Anakin..
Real talk, it’s that simple lol.
No doubt.
Both cheeks
Anakin definitely would have gotten RIP
Yes, and palpatine would have crushed Obi Wan like a bug.
Had they ignored Vader and went after Palpatine together, they may have been able to stop everything. Vader would have been incapable of running the galaxy.
Vader was incompetent without Sidious. Perhaps with Palps gone Anakin reforms and helps rebuild Jedi without darjsude influence. 😄
@@hackman669 “The darjsude of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”
Sorry I had to 😂
@@hackman669 yeah or sidious gets away and 20 years later, Luke cannot even hope to defeat Vader and falls to the dark side.
Palps would’ve thumped obiwan and then the palp today duel would play out the same way
He did a video on why yoda said no to this. Yoda was too fast for obiwan and would’ve had to worry about obiwan being killed due to how powerful Sidious was. Yoda was better off facing him alone.
Bro dropped the sickest fight edit at 3:03 and thought no one would notice.
No, just a silly jump cut between a great scene, and a sad one.
Yoda's Ataru would have completely negated Anakin's Djem'So. Yoda was way too fast, way too skilled. Anakin would not have been able to generate any momentum at all. And to be honest, that would have really freaked him out making his defeat come even faster
Yep ataru is djem so’s weakness. Djem so’s footwork is far to flat footed for ataru’s maneuverability, and flashy technique.
Although i would say in season 6 of clone wars, yoda had respect for anakin and they actually had a connection (not as strong as obi wan). Yoda acknowledged anakin was an unorthodox jedi and came to anakin to help on "disappearing" from the council temporarily.
This what if scenario has one fatal flaw: Against Obi-Wan, Anakin was mentally unstable, making mistakes left and right, confused and consumed by pure anger. Yoda would NOT have had this handicap, allowing Anakin to use his full power.
Yeah but still lose he will.... badly
I won't lie, I always kind of felt that Yoda gave up fighting Sideous. He just kind of leaves. I don't super understand Obi-Wan not killing Anakin, and the two of them not getting together and trying to kill the emperor
it is called a "skript" afterall.....
In the book it is described a Yoda realizing he could never beat Sidious in this fight.
@@FrenkieWest32 gotcha thanks! Never read them so never knew that. I guess looking at the clip in the movie, you do maybe a see that
It's generally accepted that the reason Yoda left was because reinforcements were coming - more of a he didn't beat him ontime, rather than he couldn't beat him (cause clearly Yoda was winning the fight but had to flee)
@@fonorcennell131 yoda was not clearly winning the fight... I don't know why you try to pawn off your opinion as ''generally accepted'' but no. Read the novelization or something.
Lemme guess before it starts, Yoda kills him. No burning on the sands of Mustafar, no writhing on the burning lava sand for hours on Mustafar. Yoda just tosses him in the lava. That's it. He ain't no brother of Anakin's, more like a distant disappointed uncle.
EDIT: I was right. 😂
yoda would have ended him much quicker and the fight would never have reached the lava river.
It could go either way
@@leerogish7223 prob
Yoda: absinth, I have become. Sober, I will be. To my liver, I drink this for.
Anakin: no Yoda, don't throw that gasoline on me, please :( you're drunk and still slaughtering me.
@@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438 Yoda: Right, you are. Acid and salt first, it shall be...
A jedi doesn't kill unarmed enemies. He makes them one with the Force
- Yoda
So they kill them…that’s how you make them one with the force 😂😂
Big fan of the channel. The content is amazing brother keep up the great work! 👏🏽 what about a Darth Vader vs Mace Windu?
2:41 That edit was truly awesomely executed! 👌
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I think Yoda may have even brought Anakin back to the light
Na. Yoda was devout in his beliefs. Once you go to the dark side you can't come back. Pretty sure he said something like that. He'd have killed Anakin
@@RickySpanish12344 younglings
@@RickySpanish12344 He almost brought Dooku back in a comic.
Loving the yoda joints keep em coming 👌🏻
Oh yeah, and the fight would have only lasted a couple minutes, at most. He would have killed Anakin-Vader, lopping off his head, and then fought Sidious when he arrived on Mustafar soon after. Then Obi-Wan would come out of hiding at the peak of the battle, distracting Sidious, and Yoda could have won. Padme might not have died during childbirth either, with Yoda there to reinforce her spirit with force heal. But even if she did still die, both Yoda and Obi-Wan (if Sidious didn't kill him) would be able to train Luke and Leia in the force to restart the Jedi order.
Or Palpatine would have killed Obi-Wan but Yoda may have killed him while he was killing Obi-Wan.
Obi Wan taking Palpatine by surprise could have begun Palpatine’s downfall as Kenobi and Yoda would have defeated Sidious.
Yoda didnt want to fight Sidious in any situation of 1v2+. The reason why was he knew that Sidious would use Yoda's compassion against him and target weaker Jedi, which would make Yoda vulnerable when he responded to protect them, sort of how Dooku tried to crush Anakin and Obi Wan in one of their duels, he distracted Yoda which made Yoda very vulnerable if Dooku had chosen to attack Yoda in that time. Yoda was the only one that could stand a chance against Sidious besides Mace, with Mace gone, he had no one else who could protect themselves enough to where Yoda wouldnt have to sacrifice himself to protect them, which would inevitably get them all killed.
I dont know Yoda's small stature is a significant handicap. It lost him the duel with Sidious.
Gotta say you were good up until the Padme part. She lost her will to live because she couldn't deal with her husband going to the Dark Side. She still gives birth to Luke and Leia, she still passes, and we still see the funeral but maybe Yoda and Obi Wan now take the twins to train them but then no Chewy and Han though because Luke is not send to Tattooine, no Book of Boba Fett, still get Mando but then no uneven Disney trilogy. 👍
Look at how easily yoda defeated ventress. He was able to take her lightsabers using the force which didn't happen often. Then deemed her so below him that he gave the lightsabers back. Yoda would have taken out vader quickly. But that leads to the other question. What drove luke was trying to redeem his father, and the love that he had for anakin. If anakin wasn't there, he may had been filled with hate especially when he were to find out a jedi killed his father. So it would be luke who would be driven to the dark side out of hate.
I always wondered why Yoda and Obiwan didn't take on Anakin together and then after his defeat go after Sidious. Most all of the other Jedi were already dead or went into hiding so it's not like they were on a time schedule.
Time was of the essence. If Palpatine realized Vader had been killed (which he would have) then he would likely increase his security 10x so it was impossible to get to him, or he would hunt down Yoda and Obi-Wan with the full might of the empire in order to extinguish the threat to himself. In canon and legends he doesn't make any special effort to find Yoda or Kenobi. He relishes in the fact that they're likely still alive and having to live with the pain and sadness of having their entire order destroyed and seeing the Sith ruling the galaxy. If he actuallyy considered them a threat to his life then he would make it his priority to find and destroy them, as well as make himself impossible to get to. Yoda and Obi-wan are very powerful, but there's no way they'd be able to fight their way through the entire imperial palace into the emperor's throne room and then take him in a fight. He would be aware they were coming as soon as they entered the palace and he would simply order all imperial troopers to the palace. Even if they somehow managed to get to his throne room by fighting through the waves and waves of reinforcements, they would be exhausted and no match for the full power of the emperor and his personal royal guards as well.
They were already on Coruscant, they should have lopped off the head if the snake 1st, then used Padme to find Vader on Mustafar.
"Toss him into lava, I will." - Yoda, probably
If the force was so adamant about Anakin needing to be the one to dismantle the dark side after years of galactic oppression, you'd think Yoda would have enough of a connection to the light to feel that it was not his place to kill him. Or maybe the Jedi were too disconnected by then.
The Jedi being disconnected is what allowed Palpatine's and Plagueis' plan to work right under the Jedi's noses and was somwth i ng they actively encouraged and fostered at every turn. It was a slow process over many years and had started long long before even Plagueis was a Sith but he and Sidious absolutely sped that process up and further clouding their abilities to use the force through rituals and more, actively encouraging the Jedi to become more and more entwined with the Republic. This constantly transitioned them from the borderline royalty they used to be, viewed with awe and reverence, to glorified Police Officers, security guards and soldiers/generals, ultimately subservient to the Republic.
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Yoda actually did get something akin to this insight during his battle with Sidious. Remember that moment where Sidious and Yoda are having a lightning battle in Revenge of the Sith? That moment where Yoda looks like he's about to get overwhelmed but then we get a close-up-zoom of his face and we see renewed determination on Yoda's face before the Grandmaster makes one last mighty push back, causing the force explosion that launches him off the Senate Pod while Palpatine, despite being thrown further, was closer to the centre of the pot at the time when the detonation went off and so he managed to stay on. THAT moment, as we discover upon reading the Revenge of the Sith, is when Yoda has the realisation that he and the Jedi had lost before they'd even started. They'd lost before Yoda was even born.
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The Sith had changed over the course of the last 1000 years or so since their defeat in the last Jedi/Sith War. They'd become more than just a martial order of dark side users. The Sith had sought new ways to power and different kinds of power at that. The Sith had evolved and become something new, something more. The Jedi meanwhile had spent the last Millenium preparing for a war that was never going to be fought. Training and training, ever vigilant for the next conflict with the Sith. The same conflict it had always been. In time, even that vigilance began to die out as many believed the Sith extinct. A belief that was always fostered by the existing Sith whenever the opportunity arose.
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In any case, what Yoda learned from this insight (keep non mind that when Order 66 was finally given and the plan of the Sith carried out, the cloud of the Dark Side was fully lifted and Yoda was shown a multitude of visions including Luke and Leia, glimpses of the future, of Vader and most of all, he understood his priorities. Don't get me wrong, if that force explosi okn had gone differently and Yoda hadn't fallen the way he did, he may well have killed the Emperor however, he'd just fallen a great distance, his age was starting to catch up with him and he knew he'd have to take out the Emperor soon or risk getting too tired and slowing down/making a mistake. Moreover, once Yoda regained himself after his fall, he could feel the Clone Troopers (in ever increasing numbers) all rushing to get to the Emperor. With a heavy heart, Yoda realises that his opportunity to kill the Emperor has past he's lost his window.- hence why he tells Bale Organa "Failed I have, into exile I must go." By this point, Yoda had learned that he NEEDED to survive in order to train the next generation of Jedi so THEY can be the ones to balance the force in the end.
“Avatar of the dark side” is a hard ass nickname you gave sidious
Yoda: Clap you i will young skywalker.
It would have been a short fight probably never getting off the landing platform. In saying that both Yoda & Kenobi should have went after Anakin first then after the Emperor together.
yep, /agreed
@@JJFO1 no way kenobi would be helpful against Palpatine. He would only slow down Yoda, including with the worry in having him protected from the dark lord in a way he would have been strained in trying to achieve his goal. he already failed alone, with Kenobi on his side propably Sidious would use yoda's keeoing himself back to protect Kenobi to kill them both.
TSW has covered what would have happened if Obi-Wan and Yoda went to confront Sidious simultaneously... I would like to see an analysis of the other alternative as to what would have happened if Yoda and Obi-Wan both went to confront Anakin/Vader first before Sidious? (if it hasn't been done already)
TSW?
@@justinanderson2460 The Stupendous Wave. I just abbreviated it
Well there isnt much to talk about. Obi Wan would probably tell Yoda that there still is good in Anakin. Yoda would tell Obi Wan otherwise and then proceed to kill Vader.
well one of the advantages Obi had is that he know Anakin very well. This is probably, mix with Anakin arrogance, what help Kenobi win. I think Yoda will win 6 our 10 times, but had a hard time doing so in all scenarios because 1 Anakin is a beast and 2 he does not know Anakin like Obi.
to be fair, it was Vader not Anakin anymore, which made Vader pretty unballanced in the force as he was only a sith for a few days at that point. Sure he was matching Kenobi but everyone knows that Kenobi wasn't a powerhouse when it comes to the force. So I'd say Yoda would win 8 out of 10 times considering if Vader can somehow catch Yoda off guard.
Siddious, perhaps, for the first time ever hit Vader with the brutal truth to shake him out of his self-pity. It is a necessary but brutal step to make Vader useful to Siddious again. Yoda would have killed anakin without any mercy, unlike the way Obi-Wan did, if you consider leaving anakin burning mercy.
Great video, where do you find this info by the way, is it a certain book or the comments etc? many thanks
There's a reason why I prefer reading the books, novels and comics over watching movies; so much more information is laid out.
@@GymnasticsCoach83 Ah it is from the books then? Will try get hold of them today thanks!
Sidious was never under the thumb of yoda or the jedi, he was just there hidden in plain sight, operating in the shadows while also openly consolidating his power
They should’ve both taken out Vader and then gone together to get the Emperor.
What if yoda and obi wan both went and fought anakin...
yep, should have teamed up on both vader first
what if it was Sideous and Anakin vs Yoda and Obi
@@JJFO1 sidious would go to mustafar too then after sensing yoda and obi wan both going there then it would be a 2V2 and not to mention the clone troopers firing at the jedi while dueling they are gonna die mid saber clash and the sith win
@@B3an01 I don't agree, I think Yoda would make quick work of Vader then palp would show up...who knows all these ideas are fun to think about
Anaconda would be destroyed in seconds
Sounds like Yoda and Sidious both underestimated both Anikan and Obi-Wan
You underestimate my anakin kenobi
3:04 this edit was dope
i love your videos
Yoda: It’s over Anakin! I’ve got the low ground!
Yoda didn’t want Anakin to become a Jedi and start training right back at Phantom Menace claiming he felt it would turn out badly. Yoda overall in all 3 movies didn’t really seem to big a fan of Anakin anyway on a personal level. I think they should have teamed up two on one.
I think we go back to Obi Wan's statement about "a certain point of view". Throughout the Clone Wars series, we see Anakin seek guidance from Yoda. Anakin respected Yoda, moreso than Obi Wan. Qui Gonn was a father figure to Anakin and, Obi Wan a brother. In that vein, Yoda was the sagely grandfather to Anakin. Not just that. Yoda was so very often kind to his opponents, seeking to disarm a situation. When all other avenues failed, he would certainly kick ass. BUT, he would exhaust diplomacy first.
I think Palpatine knew this. Yoda would have destroyed Vader, but saved Anakin. He would have counseled Anakin that Palpatine and the dark side were playing him. It was Palpatine that kept putting Padme at risk. She would not need saving if Palpatine and the dark side were removed. Yoda may have been able to talk Anakin into repenting, thus destroying Vader before he really got going. There is no doubt that the combined efforts of Yoda and Anakin, and possibly Obi Wan, would have ended Palpatine.
In the small chance that Yoda could not have persuaded Anakin to return to the light, he would have had no hesitation in obliterating Vader. Anakin may have been Yoda's approximate equal in lightsaber mastery, but Yoda was infinitely stronger in Force mastery even with Anakin tapping into the dark side. Anakin anger (and a bit a jealousy) towards Obi Wan would not be present if it was Yoda on Mustafar.
FACT.... LITERALLY LIKE I WROTE IT MYSELF
Vader: No Jedi will ever defeat me again!!!
:::::Older Obi Wan Kenobi enters the chat:::::
What has been overlooked/missed by the Jedi (as a whole) is Padme Amidala. She was the key to defeating the Sith - giving birth to two children who would grow up to not only form the rebellion in it's full strength - but also be able to resist the temptation of Palpatine - and bring Anakin back from the Dark Side enough to turn against Palpatine.
If Yoda had gone against Anakin on Mustafar, it's a 'no-win'. Anakin would have died, but the shock of it would have killed Amidala and her unborn children, as she was still emotionally linked to him. Yoda knew this, or sensed it via the Force, and knew that Obi-Wan had to face Anakin, as bad as the outcome might be.
Interesting video
Hey have you ever wondered by in the movies when 2 light sabers collide that spot glows brighter but in the kenobi show they throw sparks? Dumb detail but just realized this watching the clips
Though Vader and Anakin were technically two different people, they both shared the same flaw, their emotional instability
Easy claps for Yoda
Not really. In the original script anakin fought yoda in palpatine’s office and anakin held his own
@@brianedwards6733 That's why it didn't go into the final script, it's absurd.
@@Just_Pele
“Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us”
Yoda May win but it won’t be a beat down. Anakin is just as agile and more athletic than yoda. In fact i got my money on the chosen one
@@Just_Pele
Anakin would have been much more focused than he was against Obi Wan when he was blinded by pure rage. Styles make fights. Always have and always will
@@brianedwards6733yes
Best part of Yoda and Sidious’s duel is that it’s two old geezers fighting.
I imagine a Yoda-Vader duel playing out just like the Kenobi-Maul duel in Rebels.
I think your giving Vader a lot of credit in assuming he would live long enough to turn his ightsaber on.
Does anyone know the name of the music used in this video?
7:18 did you make a small error here? you said Sidious instead of Yoda when you mentioned if (insert name) would have killed Darth vader after their confrontation.
What do you think
the popularity of these videos proves that we need a What if? star wars edition to make these theories canon
I think you meant to say that Darth Sidious was right under Yoda's nose not Yoda's thumb. To be beneath someone's thumb is to be aware of them & dominated by them.
he suspected in earlier shows he gava palpatine 1 time a very i dont trust you look knowing something was wrong with him
@@kalcuthbert3090 Yeah, that was a "I don't trust the corrupt politician" look. Not a "This guy is a Sith lord looking to rule the entire galaxy and wipe out me and all followers of my religion".
IMO , Darth Vader is the greatest villain of all time, like many i grew up with him, he was ruthless, and i love how hes portrayed, with limited movement he dispatches his enemies with ease, as at 3"01 almost like a dance, beautiful. And yes Yoda would have made very short work of him on Mustafar.
So Sidious hits Vader with "imagine what Yoda would have done to you" in the Disney version too? Makes sense. There shouldn't even be a question. Yoda would have obliterated him... but Sidious would've obliterated Obi-Wan, and Yoda would miss his one shot to take out Sidious
can we get a video on yoda's thoughts when anakin killed palpatine and was redeemed
I always wondered what if both Yoda and Obi-Wan went to fight Darth Sidious together? Would it have had a different outcome or just be the same as when Mace-Windu brought backup. And it's not like Anakin was going anywhere. I think if Obi-Wan had not snuck on the ship Anakin wouldn't have attacked Padme. But that's just my 2¢.
Honestly that's one thing that's always bugged me. Ignoring how much of a crazy about-face it was for Anakin to attack her in the first place, the first thing Obi-wan should have done when he stepped out of that ship was tell Anakin that he snuck aboard BECAUSE she wouldn't tell him where Anakin was but knew she would run to see him out of worry. You can even see when Padmé looks back and sees Obi-wan standing there, you can see the split second of confusion before the panic sets in as she glances back to Anakin, seeing his reaction, she lets out a little "...no..." before he loses it. She clearly knows what it looks like and she can see that Anakin is seeing Obi-wan and thinking she's betrayed him for Obi-wan.
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Considering Anakin's stance on loyalty being the most important thing and then having the one person he is most loyal to and who he trusts the most in the galaxy, seemingly turn on him (in conspiracy with his second most loved and loyal companion no less) would have broken his already fragile/conflicted mind and... well... we saw he was so maddened that he attacked Padmé. The thing is, Obi-wan should have know this. He should have known how Anakin would react, he should have known that he'd feel betrayed and he should have been prepared for that. If Obi-wan hadn't been there, they likely would have continued the argument but with a bit of time, it's entirely possible that she could have pulled Anakin back from the delusion he'd created for himself to protect his already guilt-ridden psyche from further pain.
Yes, Obi Wan would’ve been killed within seconds.
could you please do a video on the troig species?
THAT dark epic soundtrack in the backround, i need to know the name of it PLEASE
I think it happened how it needed to. Yoda would have lopped off Vader's limbs like Obi-Wan did, taken his lightsaber, and used The Force to chuck Vader's body parts into the lake. Darth Sidious would have played with Obi-Wan during their duel and tried to goad him into the Dark Side. Knowing Obi-Wan, though, he would have willingly died before switching sides. That would have left the duel between Grandmaster Yoda and Darth Sidious, which I think Yoda would have lost because I believe that the execution of Order 66 and the events of Operation: Knightfall would have left him distracted in the duel against Sidious. The duels had to happen that way so that Luke Skywalker could have someone to teach him.
That’s fair.
What if Yoda went to Mustafar to kill Anakin first, then after to Coruscant to confront Darth Sidious? Then even if he would be still defeated, Yoda could still go to exile on Dagobah and we would still have Obi-Wan as well to train Luke. But now Luke would "only" have to face the Emperor who would be busy looking for a new apprentice. Maybe he would consider turning Luke, but we know that he wouldn't turn. Of course that was when his father (Vader) was still alive and he had hoped to save him, but I think Luke still wouldn't turn. Any thoughts?
Sidious Would have sensed that and went there first
Luke would have turned.
Without yoda to distract sidious, he would have senced anikins situation sooner and sent for help or went himself
What if Yoda just knew, that extermination of all force users till like 2-3 "grey" Jedis is the best choice to bring the balance?
Luke wasn't powerful enough to best the Emperor or Vader in ROTJ
Yoda only lost to palpatine because he was small and couldn't hang on to the edge of the platform. Had he been taller it could have been much longer fight
He dident loose the only reason diaper palpy stopped using his lightsaber was cuz he could sence yoda would have clapped his diaper ass if it continued
@@ludvignordin6349 no
If Yoda had confronted Vader/Anakin, instead of being limbless and deep fried, Vader would have been Vader McNuggets.
Obi-Wan didn't overcome Anakin, Anakin quite literally defeated himself and even then Obi-Wan had to use a forbidden move to do so because he knew he was in over his head and it was his only chance to live. Still fucked up leaving Anakin alive, Obi-Wan quite literally failed his way to success every time.
No it's not no Anakin means Luke dies to sidious it was Anakin as Vader that killed sidious do not understand why Anakin needed to live.
@@leosnyder5264 Obi-wan had no way of knowing that at all. He probably was also holding on to hope that Yoda was going to triumph over Sidious. The only appropriate thing for Obi-wan to do was to put Anakin out of his misery like Mace Windu or Yoda *absolutely* would have done. Instead Obi-wan wanted Anakin to suffer for his sins and left him to burn alive and instead be saved by the emperor anyway. I understand Sidious could have overcome the loss of Vader but it would have thrown a *SERIOUS* wrench in Sidious' plans as he would himself have to do every single solitary thing Vader did in addition to publicly being emperor of the Galaxy. Either that or Star Killer would have to be his Vader if that would even work out if you'd even accept that canon.
This really comes down to how close in combat dooku and Yoda were in their dual. I know Yoda is stronger but by how much?
Obviously both Yoda and Anakin were able to defeat dooku but dooku held his own for a while.
Yoda was superior to Dooku but that doesn't mean he can one shot everybody. Dooku was a renowned duelist in his own right. But Yoda was clearly gaining the upper hand. Hence Dooku covering his escape by trying to crush Anakin and Obi Wan.
Where was all this Vader footage from? Stopping a ship, his assembly (not the episode III stuff) and all these fights. (I have no yet watched Obi Wan on Disney+) but yeah, if this footage is from elsewhere, I NEED TO KNOW! haha.
The best in direct flex for yoda has to be starkiller clone visiting the cave on Dagobah
Anakin would have curbstomped Yoda worse than Sidious did lmaoo. Post IH Anakin>Yoda extreme diff. KFV>Yoda mid diff. Once Anakin began to use the DS he was truly in a league of his own. Ppl need to dive into legends stuff.
George Lucas said Darkside Anakin is equal to Yoda and sidious but not as experienced so could've gone either way
I don't think Vader was lucky. It would have been lucky for Vader if Yoda had allowed him to join the cosmic force. Yoda would have ended things quickly, and with minimal suffering for Vader. Obi-Wan gave Vader the cruelest of punishments by allowing him to live in torment.
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Vader was at full power, no ventilation no 500lb suit. It would be stupid close but Yoda would’ve stopped him but I doubt he would’ve killed him, probably imprisoned him in some way and came back like Revan. Obi Wan would’ve been killed super quick by the emperor.
This only reveals something about Sidious' way of thinking: personal connections are a weakness to overcome or to exploit. Powerful people only seek more power and are willing to kill for it and should not be held back by morality.
Sidious is a good schemer, but his insights into other peoples' motivations are sometimes limited (see: his death). So, I would not bet on his predictions in this regard.
Yoda hid from vader on dagobah until his death. He didn't want none
I don’t know if you have it but imma ask anyway,
Do u have a video explaining why anakin in the order 66 did not sense grogu?
May the force be whit u
Grogu wasnt invented yet
Because in 2005, Disney wasn't hemorrhaging money on an IP product they took over and didnt need to tug at people's hearts to have them spend money on a cute looking character.
They should have both confronted Anakin, they might have been able to turn him back. If not then they would have been able to capture or kill him. After that they could confront the Emperor together. Possibly by that time they would have been able to get in touch with other Jedi, give orders, gather forces, etc... I would say that them deciding to confront Vader and Sidious so immediate and I directly was too aggressive for the situation and foolish to boot.
Their goal was to kill both sith to save the galaxy and teaming up to do a 2 v 1 fight would alert the other to go into hiding or bring in help (troops) for protection which would hinder them from killing the remaining sith left. Yoda knew obi wan helping against sidious was a waste as palps would kill obi wan 1 second in like he did the other 3 masters that came with Mace. Palps had already told the Senate that Jedi tried to kill him and if they 2 v 1 Anakin and killed him then went for palps next it'd only proved his lie true to the galaxy. They wanted the element of surprise also
Yoda steps off ship . Darth vader dies before saying a word.
No matter the outcome of either dual the damage to the Jedi Sidious inflicted was too much for them to come back from. 90% of the order was already taken out when the duals happened and Sidious already had everyone thinking the Jedi were traitors of the republic so even if Sidious was killed by Yoda it wouldve made the jedi look even more guilty and the purge wouldve still happened. The best case scenario if Sidious was defeated was Yoda and Obi wan finding whats left of the order and exiling themselves to Tython or another Jedi planet no one knew about. Sidious technically wins either way.
LITERALLY I WROTE THE SAME THING TO ANOTHER PERSON 😂
Yoda would have utterly destroyed Anakin/Vader as there is a reason why Sidious feared Yoda until the end of the Grand Masters days.
Cliff Notes/The short version, Anakin gets washed.
If the duels were switched, Yoda vs Vader and Obi-Wan vs Sidious, I think things wouldn't had turned out as well as some think it would. Chances are quite high that Sidious would go through Kenobi like a hot knife through butter. And while I do think Yoda could of killed Vader, chances are Sidious would of sensed Vader being in danger far sooner than he did in the original timeline. After killing Obi-Wan, Sidious would immediately rush to Mustafar, probably arriving just in the nick of time before Yoda could strike the killing blow to Vader, or possibly just right after he'd killed Vader but be likely too exhausted to put up a fight against a fresh powerful combatant in Sidious. Even if Vader could be killed, he'd at least keep Yoda preoccupied just long enough for Sidious to arrive.
Having Yoda duel Sidious in the main timeline works better because he was able to hold back Sidious long enough to not be able to help or assist Vader. Kenobi was more suited to duel Vader than Sidious, because he knew Anakin well enough through years of training him & fighting alongside him to know how he fights.
I'd think what happen in such an alternate timeline, is Kenobi be killed quickly by Sidious. (Or at least not as long a fight as Windu was able to.) Yoda & Vader would have a long duel, & after landing a killing blow on Vader, Sidious would arrive before Yoda could attempt an escape with Padmé. For the sake of keeping an even playing field between the light and dark sides, I'd say it end with an exhausted Yoda pulling a self-sacrificing maneuver to take Sidious with him, or after Sidious kill Yoda, a dying Vader would see in his final moments how he had doomed his wife & shortly do something to kill Sidious. Both the Jedi & Sith would be dead, and Padmé probably wouldn't of gotten the medical care in time necessary to deliver the Skywalker twins. It be a darker timeline.
Yoda and Obi Wan should have confronted Sidious together. Anakin could have waited until the greater threat was dealt with
@@robinpage2730 As one time said by this very channel, I do think if Yoda & Obi-Wan would of fought together against either Palpatine or Anakin, they'd likely get in each other's way unfortunately. Especially if it were Palpatine.
Sidious previously showed exceptional ability in tactical actions in his fight with the four Jedi that tried to arrest him. He immediately rushed to kill the first two weakest lightsaber duelists Agen Kolar & Saesee Tiin, then Kit Fisto, allowing him to focus on the strongest Mace Windu without getting too worn out from a long fight. They got in each other's way during that skirmish. Chances are if they had adopted a blitzkrieg-style tactic of sending solely in their strongest Jedi, Mace Windu, up against Palpatine to fight him one on one, only allowing another one of themselves to intervene if Windu was in trouble or killed, they potentially could of defeated Sidious by trying to tire him out in a prolonged duel.
But getting back to the subject, if Yoda & Obi-Wan also employed the same tactic I mentioned, blitzkrieg-style, sending the strongest of the two in Yoda to fight one on one against Palpatine, only letting Obi-Wan tag in should Yoda have difficulty or get slain, they might have had a chance to beat Palpatine. However chances are Vader, just as Sidious did, would suddenly sense his master in danger & quickly leave to assist him. Anakin after all is desperate to prevent Padmé's death & see's Sidious as the only one who can help him prevent her untimely end. He wouldn't want him killed so long as she continued drawing breath. Palpatine would likely hold off Yoda & Obi-Wan in that scenario just long enough to possibly get backup from Vader. From there, a 2 on 2 fight could of resulted in Yoda & Obi-Wan getting in the way of one another, while a fresh Darth Vader would likely find an opening or create an opening, & then kill one of the two Jedi.
Tactically speaking, Yoda made the best & smartest call having Obi-Wan fight Vader, while he dealt with Sidious.
This would have been no contest; Yoda would have taken Anakin out on the landing platform. It may also have been possible Anakin would have surrendered to Yoda, but his arrogance might have sealed his fate.
Nah yoda would of won but not that easy. Dooku could hold of yoda remember and Anakin surpassed Dooku so I honestly believe he could probably keep up for a decent 5mins
I mean even Yoda can't one shot everybody, so I'd say Vader could've hold his own for a while but ultimately Yoda would still win. Even Dooku had to distract Yoda so he can escape, and he was a renowned duelist.
@@chihuahua0117 Vader would wreck all the prequel characters.
@@metascrub285 okayy? That wasn't really the topic ?? But I don't know if vader could wreck windu. I guess he'd win, but definitely not mop the floor with windu
@@chihuahua0117 nah kinda own Windu and the entire prequel era. It's been stated alot of the characters grew stronger in the time jump. Vader and sidious by the og trilogy are completely different level to before. Watch Seth the programmers starwars videos. He is a pro power scaler and has all the official statements on how strong the og trilogy characters are.
I think Lucas was thinking about the power of mercy.Bilbo did not slay Gollum and it led to the fall of another Dark Lord.
The more I watch these videos the more I wish Star Wars would have been a non animated tv show the included the lore!
Without a doubt. Yoda wasn't taking no prisoners in Episode III.
Yoda wins, but I think there is nuance.
A large part of the reason Anakin lost to Obi-Wan was because he was close to him. If you take Anakin's raw skill and ability and pair it in a vacuum against Obi-Wan's, removing the overconfidence and emotions from the equation. Anakin's ability wins most of the time. Even with Obi-Wan being a master in his defensive form.
If we power rank, all the characters: Sidious and Yoda are 10's. Anakin is 9. Obi-Wan is 8.
Now, if we plug these numbers into our calculations. Clearly, Yoda wins, but I think in the situation, Anakin would be much more cautious in his approach. He would see Yoda and very much know how powerful Yoda is. I don't think the fight would be entirely one-sided. I'd even argue Anakin is probably a better Lightsaber duelist.
Unfortunately for Anakin, Lightsabers aren't a force users' biggest strength. Anakin objectively has more Raw potential than Yoda thanks to our boys, the midiclorians.
I think it is "possible" Anakin can leverage his power to match Yoda's knowledge of the light side.
However, even with all that. Experience beats power every single time. And Yoda has about 900 years on Anakin.
Per George Lucas . Obi wan is an 8. Anakin was a 7 and went to 9 when he went Darkside but didn't have complete mastery over his powers. Yoda and sidious were 9. George Lucas says Anakin Darkside is equal to Yoda and PALPS... however they have more knowledge as they're more experienced and refined than Anakin as Yoda and PALPS would be a laser while Anakin more like a shotgun
@Theo C @Theo C Yeah, I've seen that conversation before. I'm not sure I entirely agree with Mr. Lucas, however, based on a few factors, I would say the first, being the fight with Dooku. I could see both Anakin and Obi-Wan being the same, then Anakin increasing a number from the dark side, though. I can see where George Lucas is coming from, but we very much get a different impression from contextual evidence. I have no argument for whether or not Sidious and Yoda are on the same level as Anakin, though, as we don't really have much to go on aside from Yoda vs. Dooku and the Anakin vs. Dooku. If we assume Dooku's skill hasn't changed, I think then that argument makes sense. It also doesn't account for the fake plan Sidious told Dooku.
If the number is Raw power level, then I can see that entirely, but my numbers also account for skill, which is why I ranked them higher than Anakin. But it's hard to argue and say Obi-Wan is equal to Anakin based on how dirty they did the fight between Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Dooku. I blame Lucas at least show Sidious doing something to aid Dooku? Meh idk I appreciate your response though!
Well, yeah. If Vader can't beat Obi-Wan (even 10 years later when Obi-Wan is rusty and older) he's certainly not beating Yoda.
He' would've gotten murked for sure.
Well put, this makes clear sense to me. The Yoda Species, was born Chosen One Level power in the Force...It however takes years to peak this power...Slow is better, for their lifespan. Sticks of Dynamite are common enough among Jedi...Mace Windu, Count Dooku, Qui-Gon Jin, all met their Demise trusting in their Golden Boy, Power...
yaddle, of the same species, also felt at the hands of Dooku. So... there's no absolutes nor straight certainties
Totally agree with Sidious
It all came down to Lord Sidious. It wouldn’t of mattered if either one of them were able to kill Aniken. Anakin was used as a tool to bring Palpatine into the ultimate position of power over the universe. Taking Anakin out would’ve been pointless, because the dark Lord of the Sith already won. The true measure of victory would have been in defeating Palpatine.
Dope video! Just saying, if Yoda was involved, Padme and Anakin would have been ok. Obi & Ani had unseen beef, Yoda wouldn't have any issues.
Yoda wouldn't have drawn his lightsaber. He'd have tossed Vader into the lava and made sure he was dead.
It makes sense Vader was down on himself he just took a big L lost everything and all this happened he was what 22-23 years old? That’s a crushing blow mentally
Nice video, though Obi-Wan thought anakin died, Lucas confirmed it in the commentary
If I was there no one would be standing
Yoda would have used his laser sword to smoke Anakin… until Dumbledore beamed down from the Enterprise and gave Yoda the Vulcan death grip. Game over. 🤯
Vader did die at the hands of a Jedi. Anakin Skywalker returned and struck him down, to save his son. :)
The real answer is that Yoda could have possibly defeated Anakin, but Kenobi had zero chance 1v1 with Palpatine, he may have not even been a help if they attacked 2v1
Not only would Yoda end Anakin, the transference of force power would have caused Yoda to have the ability to see way past the shroud of the DARK SIDE..
It also would have increased His force power to be far greater than Palpatiens.
Yoda would then for certain, and securely, ended Palpatiens rein....
Don't know what would have happened after this....
Had they trusted Anakin to begin with, I think everything would have gone down differently.
I think vader would've fought more tactically against Yoda. Wanting to show up obi wan clouded his judgement, a sith is fueled by hate and anger but Vader let that get in the way of winning the fight first. He would've known he had to beat Yoda with skill as well as raw power.
He might've. But I think that he was out of ballance as all hell due to him being a sith for only a few days at that point, so his arrogance might have still get in the way and throw him off. He fully believed the "jedi are evil" so Yoda, the mightiest of the Jedi showing up could fuel his anger and cloud his judgement. But that is my take
@@chihuahua0117 those are valid points for sure. Doesn't mean he would've won even if not blinded by his rage to the point of ignoring good tactics Yoda had mad skills lol