One of the main advantages of Revision Zero over NTTE is the sniper shot is an instant kill/high body shot damage with no timer. In Trials, you win the stall war with that sort of power. With NTTE they can just run away, leave fights early, etcetera. Revision Zero erases them from existence and punishes their peeks.
@@chillhour6155because an aggressive frame sniper also deals aggressive frame sniper damage and doesn’t require a warmup, plus you get two bullets and dont need to build crits
I feel the exact same way. Feels like this gun was built for me. It’s like a rapid fire pulse but with better burst damage and more forgiving. I love it
I'd love to see more legendary two-shot burst pulses in the future, just not the graviton kind where there's like zero payoff in PvP outside of the infinite damage falloff and uneffective big boomy.
Yeah I think that should definitely be a legendary archetype. Precision frame pulse rifles. We don't have those yet. (Agressive burst, high impact, adaptive, lightweight, rapid fire)
Instead of graviton scout, make a Stasis scout that acts like graviton of sunshot, causing a cascading stasis blast or sending out multiple stasis tracers.
@Benjamin Armour it’s at least somewhat nice on stasis. Since it’s a primary it gets a 50% damage buff from whisper of rending, this includes the sniper shot. Paired with the 20% damage boost it’s gonna get from vorpal and you can hit some enemies extremely hard. And then there’s the thing I’m most interested in, if the sniper shots can benefit from fourth times the charm then that will be a huge boost to it’s burst damage potential
I feel like a lot of the people praising it in PvE for anti-barrier as the alternative to Arbalest because of primary ammo have forgotten about Wish-Ender. Wish-Ender can also one shot barrier shields and you don’t have to build up a charge to do it.
Ye but wish ender takes 34 years to draw, having an alternative is nice. Personally idc about it since pulses ALWAYS get a season mod and it’s already anti bar this seasons
@@ETU187 ye ngl revison zero is going in the trash for me, this thing is a pvp gun nothing more. the catalysts aint changing that. There are just so many better guns, it gets power crept as soon as it gets released. Kinda sad
The two burst just feels so good, it's unique and I can't stop using it. I've got almost 500 kills on it in crucible already. Once we have all perks available and you select ele cap with Void, you can have 100 stability and 100 range at the same time.
This pulse... This pulse has one thing goin for it that I absolutely adore: customization. The amount of customizations this weapon has in store is absolutely bonkers and I LOVE IT for that fact! Once everythings unlocked, I can shape it to fit the situations I want it to fit. I can make it a near laser beam, make it hang from a distance, make it go in hard and heavy, theres just so much to it and I don't even know where to start once the other perks are unlocked! I love this thing.
While i love this gun I disagree with the customization argument. Once people find the 1 or 2 best "rolls" those are the only perks that will be utilized for the most part. Additionally every time you want to change up the gun you either have to have another one crafted or go reshape it at mars every single time.
@@Nomiverse yeah I gotta agree, most likely people will use arrowhead brake to make it more of a laser and add much needed handling, along with either perpetual motion or vorpal, depending on pvp vs pve, same thing for catalyst, either under pressure for pvp or fourth times for pve (both for the sniper shots)
I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I found myself just wanting to try it out in the crucible to not being able to take it off. It just has the secret sauce for me, idk how to explain it. Also, those collaterals though 👀 🔥
You are the reason behind my new-found love of Pulse Rifles. Revision Zero is going to be a staple for me, without a doubt. Yeah, right now, its nothing particularly special beyond the secondary fire. But even right now, it's so fun.
RZ feels AMAZING, but as an exotic I think it was put out (full crafted or not) just a lil under powered. Because the exotic perk doesn't charge if the burst starts as a body shot it doesn't charge at all. So its super unforgiving; its charge is stronger than Vex for not needing needing a kill, but not by much as you still need equivalent amount of damage
I've been too busy with work this past week to play destiny to keep up with whats going in... never heard of this channel and it decides to pop up out of no where... already alot of respect because of how open minded you description/opinion is, and you're not just focused on pvp
I'm so happy to find someone else that's as in love with this weapon as I am! I've also heard from a few people that this is Mercules' brain child since he's joined Bungie as well!
As a pulse rifle enthusiast, I feel like I haven't felt one this great in a long time. I agree with everything Nomad just said about it. It just feels so damn crispy! I got my first We Ran medal with this gun. I haven't felt this decent at PvP since I had my un-sunset Blast Furnace. PS. Blast Furnace is still the best 4 round burst out of the Legendary category. Sorry Disparity!
Happy holidays Nomad, I dropped a 40 and 3 game last night after I ran around terrorising everyone with piece of mind, got bored of it after getting my 2k kills and Revision is perfect for aggressive play and pairs very well with rapid fire sidearms
That's because Vigilance Wing is one of the most forgiving Pulse Rifles in the game. Revision Zero demands you to be absolutely perfect to get the best out of it, which is great in theory but much more difficult in practice
@@fort809 idk I'm doing great woth it and am being dumpsters by it in crucible lol. It mainly feels balanced to me because it's so freaking easy to hit crits on the brush fire maybe even a bit strong lol
There's a way to nerf Arbalest without nerfing arbalest, if they get rid of match game in endgame activities that'll get me to run more things and not bother with Arby. What an interesting weapon tho, I think tho Revision Zero needs to get more targeting data in PVE for more consistent Barry stuns.
I feel like I would still just use hawkmoon, I just prefer handcannons. I can’t wait to try this weapon though when I get home. Also, Merry Christmas and happy Holidays everyone!
If you do some fancy space math, and you use the right perks, you'll be able to run max stability on the two burst mode. Not entirely sure about max range, but it looks like this gun is only going to get better and better.
My man, you are the PERFECT person to review this gun! "Objective" reviews can get really boring. I don't really care about what has the best stats, I care about the genuine feelings and perspective of a person who LOVES something and convinces me to love it too. Great work, and hope to see more frequent posts from you in the new year!
Merry Christmas mate, enjoyed this video! I really like the idea of this weapon, it feels like a great way to have a "complete" loadout, in terms of having a sniper (with the win condition active), a pulse (great with the maps in the game) and run a shotgun / fusion. Looking forward to getting my hands on the complete weapon
There's a quote from this video that just speaks to me. "It takes a special weapon to change how I play Destiny." Back in D1, I was an extremely avid lover of two guns: The Jade Rabbit, in Year 2, and the Dreg's Promise in Year 1. Those guns were a permanent feature in my loadouts no matter what I did. With D2, when we got the Outbreak mission, I felt like this gun had been built for me, amazing lore, great design and feel, everything felt PERFECT. Come now to December 2022, and after playing exclusively Hunter since the D1 Beta, I have a change of heart, and make a Titan, and I see Revision Zero, and decide to go for it. This gun, this new character, has started a new chapter for me in this game, I ADORE these two new aspects that have changed this game for me. And finding a video that really words my feelings into one sentence, immediate points. Thank you.
I've been waiting for a Häkke exotic for sooooo long, and I really couldn't have asked for a better one. I adore pulse rifles, and the best I hoped for was a slightly reworked Fabian Strategy, but Revision Zero is beautiful and feels so good
I am really sad that I had to fall in love with the new vanguard stasis smg before getting this weapon. I love it, but my heart has already been taken by the prolonged engagement.
it’s a bit of a stretch to say that it competes with arby. despite the limited ammo, we’re definitely in a linear fusion rifle meta, and with just linear ammo finder you solve the issue for both your weapons. imo, it’d be more accurate to consider it as a replacement for wish ender. even then it’s a bit of a stretch, more of what you prefer, bows or pulse/sniper. wish ender has the consistency, but doesn’t have that option to do massive burst damage to champions. i personally haven’t played with this weapon yet, but i guess it would really boil down to if the normal bullets deal sufficient damage to barrier shields. i know that the sniper firing mode can break a barrier shield in one shot like wish ender, but i personally don’t know how the normal firing mode deals with shields like that. either way it’s not a bad contender, more so of what you prefer during nightfalls.
It cannot compete with arby in any way, as long as you have some competence with ammo preservation, you won’t run out. I don’t think I’ve ever run out of arby ammo in my years of having it. You don’t need much ammo to get things done, a barrier champ can go down in one magazine, keep stock mods and scavs and revision zero is just fodder now. Wish ender I feel is being way held back by draw time but it can actually kill 2 things at one since it penetrates so even still it has some advantages
Revision Zero is hands down the most unique weapon in destiny history and i love it.... The fact that i can have a sniper rifle and pulse rifle in my primary slot at the same time is just bonkers BUT FUCKING AMAZING at the same time.
the most crucial part about 2burst is that you can peekshot with it. also, if I'm counting its shots right, the 2burst rpm sits around a 2burst sidearm's, which feels great. if you're gonna 4burst, just use ntte or vigiwing since they're just better suited to showering bullets on the enemy.
This thing had me at "Hakke Vex", seeing as Vex is probably my other favorite exotic. I just love getting to switch modes, it feels great. And the fact that it gets intrinsic anti-barrier solves the one thing that stops me from running Vex more often, which is how champions limit loadouts
For barriers specifically I think the Stay Frosty pulse with Adaptive Munitions is literally the best option in the game for barriers right behind arbalest and Wish Ender. Although, this gun is very satisfying to use on 2 burst mode in pvp.
It's the best sniper rifle in the game(no sniper glint*, no sniper hipfire penalty, no sniper flinch penalty) but you have to put in work to get those sniper shots. Luckily the work you have to put in isn't all that bad because the gun just feels great as is. *The gun does have a very slight sniper glint, but it's very dim compared to normal snipers and really easy to miss.
For PVP, my favorite gun to use is actually forerunner...its just SO unique, and I have loved side arms since D1. Revision zero might be my favorite pve gun. The intrinsic anti barrier shoots threw ALL immune shielded enemies. I actually need to try it out in pvp. 4 round bursts have a special place in my heart. I used a go figure to get my broad sword
I do not have the vocabulary to describe how I feel about this pulse rifle. For the longest time, my load out for PvE or PvP was a full auto Eyestine-D and a toaster. The new pulse rifle feels like what the exotic version of Eyestine-D would feel like. Using Revision Zero is like using an old tool that you learned how to do something with and there is something comforting about it. For the real gun guys, the best description I can give you is going from an M-16 with a stock trigger to an AR-15 with a Geissele trigger. The muscle memory is there and it is just natural to use it. I do not have the expertise to say this is going to be best in class but I will agree with Nomad that if you are hitting your crits you are melting trash ads with one burst.
It has replaced Arbalest for me, primarily because I'm tired of it as a default anti barrier and it needs ammo, but also because Revision Zero is not only my favourite weapon type, it's my favourite archetype I can't wait to get Vorpal and FTTC on it
I feel you. I absolutely love revision zero already without any upgrades. I think from memory already have it at lvl 26, and that’s on a void Titan abusing the new Glaive melee shenanigans
I don't know what it is about the 2 burst mode but when I play against higher skill players, they hear the RZ sound and after 2 taps they disengage for me the 4 burst is much more effective with just barely a faster ttk it lets me get the kill cuz it sounds like every other agg frame pulse
Only thing I would do to it is make it easier to switch between 2 and 4 shot. And maybe lengthen the time to switch to sniper, I keep triggering the switch when I open chests, pick up patrols, etc.
Glad you like it. I do too. Can we get a follow-up video for Comp Ranked because I currently think it's trash since it's not bracket based matchmaking.
I can’t wait till we can fully craft this, just running the numbers at fully crafted in 2 burst mode you can have max range and 80 stability. This thing is going to be a laser with scout range.
As a pve player I want the ability to toggle between the pusle rifle and sniper mode freely, as long as you have the charge obviously. Like shoot one sniper shot then go back to the pulse mode and keep the other 3 shots for when I next enable the sniper mode
This is my favorite weapon! Feel the same. I am running it in pve with a Wilderflight launcher with blinding nades Repulsor Brace and vorpal and fire and forget in the heavy with firm plant and focused fury and it has me playing again. Running stasis lock with osmiomacy and I'm I heaven. So excited to see this in its final form. Really gonna be a beast I think. Hunters focus 4 I mean come on if it's what it looks like!!!
For PvE Wishender is likely the better primary anti-barrier exotic. It one-shots shields and does truly insane damage for a primary. Though revision zero getting Vorpal should help it be competitive later on.
This weapon is insane. It doesn’t have glare when you scope in. There’s no warning for the enemy! It one shots out every super aswell and we don’t even have the catalyst (hopefully it takes less precision shots to get hunters trace)
Like you, it has become my favorite in the game. WHat speaks to me isnt because of the free "one shot" but because of how nice the utility is AND it feels like the Heavy Cannon's Precision Bolt mode from DOOM Eternal. I love this gun. I actually found that the zoom was 50 in the first place and legoleflash did extra testing to confirm it. Im not bragging about it because I know lego does a lot more to help. i just did a small thing thats all. But anyways this is my FAVORITE gun. Im also a HUGE simp for hakke guns like how I simp for Sulerionia (Suletta + Miorine) as I fangirl over them (yeah im trans MtF too)
So far I'm enjoying this weapon. Still trying to use it properly and engaging targets at longer ranges is an issue. But I can't wait to see how all the perks change the way it works.
It's been a year. Ever think of going back and taking another deep look at this thing in the sandbox of today? I am a certified pulse rifle hater and even I have been hooked on it lately.
Hand Cannons have always been my favorite weapon type in PvE and PvP and this new exotic have spoken to me more than my godroll Austrianger Hand Cannon
Keep in mind the stats might increase but the dmg never will. This gun will stagnate at its current dmg. I stopped lvling mine at lvl 9 and started working on lvling actual good weapons like disparity. Ill take a crafted disparity over revision zero any day and save an exotic slot.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has become completely infatuated by this gun. I legit cannot put it down. It's everything i could ever want in a pulse INCLUDING 4 BURST which has been my all time favorite ever since it was introduced.
Correction: The sniper bullet actually deals 1 more point of damage than an aggressive on the body and does about 2 more damage in the head; for PvP. In PVE though, the sniper mode does 8.57% more damage average than a Kinetic 72 RPM. Bungie did a good job of balancing this weapon to be honest. Yes the sniper bullet can one hit ko BUT unlike all snipers, the bullet does actually have damage dropoff. With 100 range using 2 burst mode and Hunter' Trace IV (the max upgrade), the hipfire dropoff starst at 24.5 meters as a typical pulse and its 50 zoom scope makes its dropoff in ADS equal to 121.8875 meters. Keep in mind you can still maintain a OHKO at 70 meters in hipfire with 231ish damage in the head. While the sniper bullets have perfect hipfire accuracy and have very little flinch, you have to get 1.5 kills of all crits with 4 burst mode or 2 kills of all crits in 2 burst mode. Once you swap to the sniper you either hit or miss your shot just like a sniper. I find that just the base gun alone is good for PvP. you dont have to use the sniper mode but it is fun. 2 burst mode is better in pvp than the 4 burst. 4 burst may get you the bullet faster but your dueling is worse and is less controllable than the 2 burst. In PvE, the 4 burst is better as it is more damage and more uptime of the sniper bullet. Mercules did a great job of this exotic and it is my favorite exotic weapon rn. Mine is level 32 and has 69 PvP tracker kills and over 2,200 PvE kills. I WILL be making 2 more rolls besides my 2 rolls rn.
Edit: I do hope bungie keeps making more of basically form changing weapons in lightfall with neo-moona being nanite stuff The upgrades it's going to get is going to fix most of my issues with it Part from that the animation for the swap could be like ever so slightly faster at least in PvE and maybe be able to break barrier champs in 1 shot cause however much I like it. It doesn't beat using wishender and just onetapping it for me
Nomad. I can't agree more. This is the gun that I feel like I'm going to main for a very very very long time. If not for all eternity (Okay maybe not that long, but probably. Most likely. Almost definitely.) In any case. As soon as I got this gun. I pretty much was in love with it.
I’ve been using the gun as much as possible just so it will be leveled up for the coming perks when they open. It shoots pretty good now. I suspect it should feel pretty creamy with 100 range and twice as much stability.
I mean you have a weapon that's effectively a marksmen rifle/sniper rifle and sure it has a lot of warm up but most of our special weapons don't get a lot of up time now either so this is pretty balanced I suspect it'll still get a lot of flak and possibly a nerf a bit after it's catalysts and such drop cause it's going to see a lot of use time and Bungie seems to usually see that as a problem child and puts it in time out.... All in all though I'm a big fan of pulse rifles a lot of the time so I look forward to seeing what it can really do soon enough
Just so you know it’s anything but a contender to arby. Arby can one shot barriers to the body in high end content. And this pulse can’t. It may not even be able to with a crit. Also if you run double special( which you should) you don’t run out of ammo. I’m general all primaries need a large damage buff in pve. They just feel bad.
To the opening statement: Yes, it is unfinished. I don't really care about the potential it might have, i will use outbreak instead since i like that weapon more and it feels better to use. I see the strength and value this has, but i tend to ignore that so i can have a weapon that feels better to use. But, literally the better Hawkmoon??? I mean it has more range, also a one shit mechanic, but it is not restricted to the last bullet of a magazine and requires at least 6 crits and yet it can duel maybe better.
I don't want to give up DMT since I love hip fire and still being able to have precision play and I really like scout rifles, but this weapon had me questioning my loyalty as soon as I got some time in with it.
I'm thinking that the 2-burst is doing more damage because of fall off; 2-burst has an 81 range vs. 56 with the 4-burst. The 2-burst crits like my 4-burst Blast Furnace that has 89 range( which I still used in Crucible until this gun released) When the barrel perks unlock I believe this weapon will be a 4-burst Hellion making people whine and cry for nerfs...looking forward to it lol
Revision Zero is going to be way stronger than Arbalest because: you can have Armor piercing rounds so that it one shots barriers with a heavy shot (exotic perk) and it can also have Vorpal weapon (20% extra dmg to ultras and up) with Four times the charm for 6 heavy shots instead of 4.... and also, it an EXOTIC PRIMARY so that means more heavy ammo spawns (I mean sure, we have Eon Cult and Lucent finisher but still, if you have a different build and you can't use Eon or Lucent finisher, that's an option too
100% agreed, I live the weapon too, so I tell my buddies to try it out themselves since I figured I’d be biased. Considering I already have a level 19 on the first week, don’t trust me 😅
I could not agree more with being emotionally compromised by this thing. I absolutely love everything about this gun because it wants to be played the way I like to play. Good gun for many, great gun for some, Amazing weapon for few.
Quite a different opinion to TV. But I’m completely with you on this. It reminds me of DMT when it first dropped and put many other weapons to shame. imo It beats most of its other weapon archetype counterparts; Symmetry, Hawkmoon, Vex Mytho. I still don’t think it rivals Tarrabah but that’s comparing very different beasts. This gun brings back Zen Meteor in Pulse form, not unlike Crimson but may do it better.
Now that it's fully craftable people are sleeping on it. I run smallbore, ricochet, moving target, fitted stock, and outlaw. This gives 83 range and 97 stability on the 4 burst mode with 100 recoil direction. Outlaw obviously helps with reload so you dont need reload mods. Needs some help in the handling department. Definitely gonna want dexterity mods or ophidians or both but it's an absolute LAZER. easiest 2 burst in the game.
As a little higher than average pve player I enjoy using it a lot. It DOES feel good and the sniper mode damage is also signifcant. This gun might even make me a better pvp player as I definitely want to invest in using it.
My main issue is the hit registration feels a bit off compared to other 450 aggressive burst pulse's, compared to my old blast furnace, disparity, or sacred providence, it just feels weirdly off, my shots connect even if I am not trying, and when I try, it just feels just ever so slightly weird.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all. I'll still be uploading during this period. Hope you all have a lovely time with loved ones. ❤️
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watch how the fun police aka Bungie nerfs this gun to the ground because we cant have nice things ...
All the best of the season to you too!
Im just saying merculies made this and wanted it to do what your talking about I want him to only make exotics because of how good this gun is
One of the main advantages of Revision Zero over NTTE is the sniper shot is an instant kill/high body shot damage with no timer. In Trials, you win the stall war with that sort of power. With NTTE they can just run away, leave fights early, etcetera. Revision Zero erases them from existence and punishes their peeks.
@vinarrun3622 how is the it overrated when it does aggressive frame damage without needing special ?
@@chillhour6155because an aggressive frame sniper also deals aggressive frame sniper damage and doesn’t require a warmup, plus you get two bullets and dont need to build crits
@@thecookiemeister5374 so you always make your 2 sniper shots I’m assuming?
@@peterdubinsky5389 do you always make your 1 sniper shot?
@The CookieMeister you can get your "1 shot" back indefinitely by hitting crits, can't do that with a special weapon sniper
I feel the exact same way. Feels like this gun was built for me. It’s like a rapid fire pulse but with better burst damage and more forgiving. I love it
It's way closer to an aggressive pulse than a rapid fire
I'm really glad I got disparity before this, I wouldn't have bothered crafting it if I had gotten revision zero first. Happy holidays nomad
I'd love to see more legendary two-shot burst pulses in the future, just not the graviton kind where there's like zero payoff in PvP outside of the infinite damage falloff and uneffective big boomy.
Kinda wish the damage was split evenly between the two shots for Graviton Lance
@@jacobruiter592 to be fair that would break the weapon as it has infinite range essentially. The 2nd shot having all the damage makes it "skilled"
Yeah I think that should definitely be a legendary archetype. Precision frame pulse rifles. We don't have those yet. (Agressive burst, high impact, adaptive, lightweight, rapid fire)
They need to just make graviton a scout at this point.
Instead of graviton scout, make a Stasis scout that acts like graviton of sunshot, causing a cascading stasis blast or sending out multiple stasis tracers.
Boys, find you a woman that looks at you the way Nomad looks at Revision Zero.
He's right you know
@@AscendantNomad He's right you know
Let's be honest modern women don't look at men like that they look at men's wallets like that.
@@MrZerk815 not mine
Mercules did an amazing job on his first exotic. He must be so happy with how well received it's been.
for real, this whole season feels really nicely polished off even with a few bugs
Looking forward to seeing this weapon fully unlocked in a few weeks. Really looking forward to seeing its full PvE usefulness.
@Benjamin Armour it’s at least somewhat nice on stasis. Since it’s a primary it gets a 50% damage buff from whisper of rending, this includes the sniper shot. Paired with the 20% damage boost it’s gonna get from vorpal and you can hit some enemies extremely hard.
And then there’s the thing I’m most interested in, if the sniper shots can benefit from fourth times the charm then that will be a huge boost to it’s burst damage potential
Unless there's more secrets to be unlocked, FTTC is going to hard carry this gun as a PVE solution.
Mercules did a great job with this weapon. It made me stop using a very strong weapon in Disparity
I feel like a lot of the people praising it in PvE for anti-barrier as the alternative to Arbalest because of primary ammo have forgotten about Wish-Ender. Wish-Ender can also one shot barrier shields and you don’t have to build up a charge to do it.
Personally, I simply cannot be bothered to go through the quest for getting it
It actually uses both regular pulse rounds and sniper rounds to take down the barrier shields. Difference is which can one shot the shields quicker.
Ye but wish ender takes 34 years to draw, having an alternative is nice. Personally idc about it since pulses ALWAYS get a season mod and it’s already anti bar this seasons
@@karendestroyerofmanagers6778 Wishender are Arbby are still superior in every way
@@ETU187 ye ngl revison zero is going in the trash for me, this thing is a pvp gun nothing more. the catalysts aint changing that. There are just so many better guns, it gets power crept as soon as it gets released. Kinda sad
The two burst just feels so good, it's unique and I can't stop using it. I've got almost 500 kills on it in crucible already. Once we have all perks available and you select ele cap with Void, you can have 100 stability and 100 range at the same time.
This pulse... This pulse has one thing goin for it that I absolutely adore: customization.
The amount of customizations this weapon has in store is absolutely bonkers and I LOVE IT for that fact!
Once everythings unlocked, I can shape it to fit the situations I want it to fit. I can make it a near laser beam, make it hang from a distance, make it go in hard and heavy, theres just so much to it and I don't even know where to start once the other perks are unlocked! I love this thing.
While i love this gun I disagree with the customization argument. Once people find the 1 or 2 best "rolls" those are the only perks that will be utilized for the most part. Additionally every time you want to change up the gun you either have to have another one crafted or go reshape it at mars every single time.
@@Nomiverse yeah I gotta agree, most likely people will use arrowhead brake to make it more of a laser and add much needed handling, along with either perpetual motion or vorpal, depending on pvp vs pve, same thing for catalyst, either under pressure for pvp or fourth times for pve (both for the sniper shots)
"This is not gonna be me just waxing lyrical about this weapon" (10 minutes later) "Sometimes all guns need to do is make you feel happy"
i regret nothing
I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I found myself just wanting to try it out in the crucible to not being able to take it off. It just has the secret sauce for me, idk how to explain it. Also, those collaterals though 👀 🔥
Yup me either!! But I can't wait for the multiple catalyst....then we'll really know how good this thing is. 👍😁 Oh and Merry Christmas Sir.
You are the reason behind my new-found love of Pulse Rifles. Revision Zero is going to be a staple for me, without a doubt. Yeah, right now, its nothing particularly special beyond the secondary fire. But even right now, it's so fun.
I saw a Reddit comment that said RZ is more of a Multi Tool than Mida lol
@@JL32506 vanilla D2 it was Mida or nothing lol
RZ feels AMAZING, but as an exotic I think it was put out (full crafted or not) just a lil under powered. Because the exotic perk doesn't charge if the burst starts as a body shot it doesn't charge at all. So its super unforgiving; its charge is stronger than Vex for not needing needing a kill, but not by much as you still need equivalent amount of damage
I've been too busy with work this past week to play destiny to keep up with whats going in... never heard of this channel and it decides to pop up out of no where... already alot of respect because of how open minded you description/opinion is, and you're not just focused on pvp
I'm so happy to find someone else that's as in love with this weapon as I am! I've also heard from a few people that this is Mercules' brain child since he's joined Bungie as well!
As a pulse rifle enthusiast, I feel like I haven't felt one this great in a long time. I agree with everything Nomad just said about it. It just feels so damn crispy! I got my first We Ran medal with this gun. I haven't felt this decent at PvP since I had my un-sunset Blast Furnace.
PS.
Blast Furnace is still the best 4 round burst out of the Legendary category. Sorry Disparity!
Awesome to see Bungie getting creative..both the gun + mission to get this gun are awesome 👍 more of this please 💕
yea this weapon was made by giving mercules the ability to do essentially whatever he wanted and this is what he did, its so amazing
Happy holidays Nomad, I dropped a 40 and 3 game last night after I ran around terrorising everyone with piece of mind, got bored of it after getting my 2k kills and Revision is perfect for aggressive play and pairs very well with rapid fire sidearms
It feels nice so far but when I compare it to something like Vigilance Wing, it doesn’t feel as deadly
Yeah, it might be SBMM but it feels like I just got dumpstered trying to use revision zero
That's because Vigilance Wing is one of the most forgiving Pulse Rifles in the game. Revision Zero demands you to be absolutely perfect to get the best out of it, which is great in theory but much more difficult in practice
@@fort809 idk I'm doing great woth it and am being dumpsters by it in crucible lol. It mainly feels balanced to me because it's so freaking easy to hit crits on the brush fire maybe even a bit strong lol
@@AscendantNomad that’s completely true, but it occurred to me during the video that I haven’t yet tried it with two burst equipped
There's a way to nerf Arbalest without nerfing arbalest, if they get rid of match game in endgame activities that'll get me to run more things and not bother with Arby.
What an interesting weapon tho, I think tho Revision Zero needs to get more targeting data in PVE for more consistent Barry stuns.
I feel like I would still just use hawkmoon, I just prefer handcannons. I can’t wait to try this weapon though when I get home. Also, Merry Christmas and happy Holidays everyone!
If you do some fancy space math, and you use the right perks, you'll be able to run max stability on the two burst mode. Not entirely sure about max range, but it looks like this gun is only going to get better and better.
Range difference between the two modes is about 6m so not that much gain/loss compared to what you get with max stability
My man, you are the PERFECT person to review this gun! "Objective" reviews can get really boring. I don't really care about what has the best stats, I care about the genuine feelings and perspective of a person who LOVES something and convinces me to love it too. Great work, and hope to see more frequent posts from you in the new year!
“Think of it as a hand cannon”
**dismantles from inventory**
Merry Christmas mate, enjoyed this video! I really like the idea of this weapon, it feels like a great way to have a "complete" loadout, in terms of having a sniper (with the win condition active), a pulse (great with the maps in the game) and run a shotgun / fusion. Looking forward to getting my hands on the complete weapon
Gotta say I'm liking the face cam a lot, it definitely adds something to the videos.
Bungie built a pulse rifle specifically to put a smile on Nomad's face. You _LOVE_ to see it.
There's a quote from this video that just speaks to me. "It takes a special weapon to change how I play Destiny." Back in D1, I was an extremely avid lover of two guns: The Jade Rabbit, in Year 2, and the Dreg's Promise in Year 1. Those guns were a permanent feature in my loadouts no matter what I did. With D2, when we got the Outbreak mission, I felt like this gun had been built for me, amazing lore, great design and feel, everything felt PERFECT. Come now to December 2022, and after playing exclusively Hunter since the D1 Beta, I have a change of heart, and make a Titan, and I see Revision Zero, and decide to go for it. This gun, this new character, has started a new chapter for me in this game, I ADORE these two new aspects that have changed this game for me. And finding a video that really words my feelings into one sentence, immediate points. Thank you.
I've been waiting for a Häkke exotic for sooooo long, and I really couldn't have asked for a better one. I adore pulse rifles, and the best I hoped for was a slightly reworked Fabian Strategy, but Revision Zero is beautiful and feels so good
I am really sad that I had to fall in love with the new vanguard stasis smg before getting this weapon. I love it, but my heart has already been taken by the prolonged engagement.
it’s a bit of a stretch to say that it competes with arby.
despite the limited ammo, we’re definitely in a linear fusion rifle meta, and with just linear ammo finder you solve the issue for both your weapons.
imo, it’d be more accurate to consider it as a replacement for wish ender. even then it’s a bit of a stretch, more of what you prefer, bows or pulse/sniper.
wish ender has the consistency, but doesn’t have that option to do massive burst damage to champions. i personally haven’t played with this weapon yet, but i guess it would really boil down to if the normal bullets deal sufficient damage to barrier shields.
i know that the sniper firing mode can break a barrier shield in one shot like wish ender, but i personally don’t know how the normal firing mode deals with shields like that.
either way it’s not a bad contender, more so of what you prefer during nightfalls.
It cannot compete with arby in any way, as long as you have some competence with ammo preservation, you won’t run out. I don’t think I’ve ever run out of arby ammo in my years of having it. You don’t need much ammo to get things done, a barrier champ can go down in one magazine, keep stock mods and scavs and revision zero is just fodder now. Wish ender I feel is being way held back by draw time but it can actually kill 2 things at one since it penetrates so even still it has some advantages
Revision Zero is hands down the most unique weapon in destiny history and i love it.... The fact that i can have a sniper rifle and pulse rifle in my primary slot at the same time is just bonkers BUT FUCKING AMAZING at the same time.
the most crucial part about 2burst is that you can peekshot with it. also, if I'm counting its shots right, the 2burst rpm sits around a 2burst sidearm's, which feels great.
if you're gonna 4burst, just use ntte or vigiwing since they're just better suited to showering bullets on the enemy.
You know I just realized that it's basically just a Vex mythoclast and suros regime combined.
This thing had me at "Hakke Vex", seeing as Vex is probably my other favorite exotic. I just love getting to switch modes, it feels great. And the fact that it gets intrinsic anti-barrier solves the one thing that stops me from running Vex more often, which is how champions limit loadouts
For barriers specifically I think the Stay Frosty pulse with Adaptive Munitions is literally the best option in the game for barriers right behind arbalest and Wish Ender. Although, this gun is very satisfying to use on 2 burst mode in pvp.
Didnt even realize it could roll with AM. Ty sir
Dont forget the new purpose high impact kinetic pulse which has adaptive munitions AND armour piercing rounds
Only issue is when we dont have anti barrier pulse then Stay Frosty becomes absolutely useless. Reason why I hate the entire champ system
@@snipey8623 I mean yes but pulses are often in the artifact
Loving these videos, Nomad! Keep farming that December ravenue, cause I ain't stop watching your videos!!
Always the best and realistic analysis here. Great vid!
It's the best sniper rifle in the game(no sniper glint*, no sniper hipfire penalty, no sniper flinch penalty) but you have to put in work to get those sniper shots. Luckily the work you have to put in isn't all that bad because the gun just feels great as is.
*The gun does have a very slight sniper glint, but it's very dim compared to normal snipers and really easy to miss.
Whoa! I didn't realize it doesn't have a glare. That's insane!
For PVP, my favorite gun to use is actually forerunner...its just SO unique, and I have loved side arms since D1.
Revision zero might be my favorite pve gun. The intrinsic anti barrier shoots threw ALL immune shielded enemies. I actually need to try it out in pvp.
4 round bursts have a special place in my heart. I used a go figure to get my broad sword
FYI 6 resil and under the 2 round burst can kill in 4c2b! Insanely forgiving
I do not have the vocabulary to describe how I feel about this pulse rifle. For the longest time, my load out for PvE or PvP was a full auto Eyestine-D and a toaster. The new pulse rifle feels like what the exotic version of Eyestine-D would feel like. Using Revision Zero is like using an old tool that you learned how to do something with and there is something comforting about it. For the real gun guys, the best description I can give you is going from an M-16 with a stock trigger to an AR-15 with a Geissele trigger. The muscle memory is there and it is just natural to use it. I do not have the expertise to say this is going to be best in class but I will agree with Nomad that if you are hitting your crits you are melting trash ads with one burst.
It has replaced Arbalest for me, primarily because I'm tired of it as a default anti barrier and it needs ammo, but also because Revision Zero is not only my favourite weapon type, it's my favourite archetype
I can't wait to get Vorpal and FTTC on it
Can't wait for the ornament that gives it a suppressor on the barrel
Revision-0, Vex Mythoclast, and Quicksilver Storm are my favorite weapons in the game right now because of their alt-fire modes.
I feel you. I absolutely love revision zero already without any upgrades. I think from memory already have it at lvl 26, and that’s on a void Titan abusing the new Glaive melee shenanigans
Re:Zero will forever sit on my mantle sitting beside Ace, and No Time
I don't know what it is about the 2 burst mode but when I play against higher skill players, they hear the RZ sound and after 2 taps they disengage for me the 4 burst is much more effective with just barely a faster ttk it lets me get the kill cuz it sounds like every other agg frame pulse
The Sniper Rifle Mode also has the hip-fire accuracy and reticle making its hipfire just as lethal if you're accurate.
Only thing I would do to it is make it easier to switch between 2 and 4 shot. And maybe lengthen the time to switch to sniper, I keep triggering the switch when I open chests, pick up patrols, etc.
Glad you like it. I do too. Can we get a follow-up video for Comp Ranked because I currently think it's trash since it's not bracket based matchmaking.
I can’t wait till we can fully craft this, just running the numbers at fully crafted in 2 burst mode you can have max range and 80 stability. This thing is going to be a laser with scout range.
bungie: "we dont want to change Whisper bc we dont want it to become to powerful"
also bungie: *makes THIS*
As a pve player I want the ability to toggle between the pusle rifle and sniper mode freely, as long as you have the charge obviously. Like shoot one sniper shot then go back to the pulse mode and keep the other 3 shots for when I next enable the sniper mode
This is my favorite weapon! Feel the same. I am running it in pve with a Wilderflight launcher with blinding nades Repulsor Brace and vorpal and fire and forget in the heavy with firm plant and focused fury and it has me playing again. Running stasis lock with osmiomacy and I'm I heaven. So excited to see this in its final form. Really gonna be a beast I think. Hunters focus 4 I mean come on if it's what it looks like!!!
For PvE Wishender is likely the better primary anti-barrier exotic. It one-shots shields and does truly insane damage for a primary. Though revision zero getting Vorpal should help it be competitive later on.
I understand how you feel and it’s not even in its final form. Perfect thumbnail!!!
This weapon is insane. It doesn’t have glare when you scope in. There’s no warning for the enemy! It one shots out every super aswell and we don’t even have the catalyst (hopefully it takes less precision shots to get hunters trace)
Like you, it has become my favorite in the game. WHat speaks to me isnt because of the free "one shot" but because of how nice the utility is AND it feels like the Heavy Cannon's Precision Bolt mode from DOOM Eternal. I love this gun. I actually found that the zoom was 50 in the first place and legoleflash did extra testing to confirm it. Im not bragging about it because I know lego does a lot more to help. i just did a small thing thats all.
But anyways this is my FAVORITE gun. Im also a HUGE simp for hakke guns like how I simp for Sulerionia (Suletta + Miorine) as I fangirl over them (yeah im trans MtF too)
So far I'm enjoying this weapon. Still trying to use it properly and engaging targets at longer ranges is an issue. But I can't wait to see how all the perks change the way it works.
It's been a year. Ever think of going back and taking another deep look at this thing in the sandbox of today? I am a certified pulse rifle hater and even I have been hooked on it lately.
Hand Cannons have always been my favorite weapon type in PvE and PvP and this new exotic have spoken to me more than my godroll Austrianger Hand Cannon
This gun is quite good i personally am not a fan of pulse rifle but we haven’t got the catalyst and other stuff unlocked
This pulse has been in my main slot since I got it. I've already got it to Level 20 so I can get those enhanced perks when available.
It's literally been only a few days, chill.
@@Mephanderos I usually don't have that many days to play... so I'm using my vacation properly.
On M&K I think 4 burst is the way to go. It's a total laser, and you can pair it with high cals and flinch the hell out of people.
I got mine this morning and now I'm leveling it up to at least 20 before waiting on the next step in the quest.
Keep in mind the stats might increase but the dmg never will. This gun will stagnate at its current dmg. I stopped lvling mine at lvl 9 and started working on lvling actual good weapons like disparity. Ill take a crafted disparity over revision zero any day and save an exotic slot.
Feel the same on it “being built for me” hell, it came out on my birthday.
Excellent review, you got a new sunscriber; carry on!
I fucking love this gun and I love Mercules (the guns creator) fuck yeah I’m in god damn fucking love! Merry fucking Christmas to all of us!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has become completely infatuated by this gun. I legit cannot put it down. It's everything i could ever want in a pulse INCLUDING 4 BURST which has been my all time favorite ever since it was introduced.
Correction: The sniper bullet actually deals 1 more point of damage than an aggressive on the body and does about 2 more damage in the head; for PvP. In PVE though, the sniper mode does 8.57% more damage average than a Kinetic 72 RPM. Bungie did a good job of balancing this weapon to be honest. Yes the sniper bullet can one hit ko BUT unlike all snipers, the bullet does actually have damage dropoff. With 100 range using 2 burst mode and Hunter' Trace IV (the max upgrade), the hipfire dropoff starst at 24.5 meters as a typical pulse and its 50 zoom scope makes its dropoff in ADS equal to 121.8875 meters. Keep in mind you can still maintain a OHKO at 70 meters in hipfire with 231ish damage in the head. While the sniper bullets have perfect hipfire accuracy and have very little flinch, you have to get 1.5 kills of all crits with 4 burst mode or 2 kills of all crits in 2 burst mode. Once you swap to the sniper you either hit or miss your shot just like a sniper. I find that just the base gun alone is good for PvP. you dont have to use the sniper mode but it is fun. 2 burst mode is better in pvp than the 4 burst. 4 burst may get you the bullet faster but your dueling is worse and is less controllable than the 2 burst. In PvE, the 4 burst is better as it is more damage and more uptime of the sniper bullet.
Mercules did a great job of this exotic and it is my favorite exotic weapon rn. Mine is level 32 and has 69 PvP tracker kills and over 2,200 PvE kills. I WILL be making 2 more rolls besides my 2 rolls rn.
Edit: I do hope bungie keeps making more of basically form changing weapons in lightfall with neo-moona being nanite stuff
The upgrades it's going to get is going to fix most of my issues with it
Part from that the animation for the swap could be like ever so slightly faster at least in PvE and maybe be able to break barrier champs in 1 shot cause however much I like it. It doesn't beat using wishender and just onetapping it for me
Nomad. I can't agree more. This is the gun that I feel like I'm going to main for a very very very long time. If not for all eternity (Okay maybe not that long, but probably. Most likely. Almost definitely.) In any case. As soon as I got this gun. I pretty much was in love with it.
Can we get the follow up now! I love this weapon so much. My most used crucible weapon since it came out.
Man, I absolutely love this new exotic Khvos... I mean Revision Zero.
It's secondary perk is potential, pure unrelenting potential. I'm glad you and I share the same opinion and love for it
I’ve been using the gun as much as possible just so it will be leveled up for the coming perks when they open. It shoots pretty good now. I suspect it should feel pretty creamy with 100 range and twice as much stability.
I mean you have a weapon that's effectively a marksmen rifle/sniper rifle and sure it has a lot of warm up but most of our special weapons don't get a lot of up time now either so this is pretty balanced I suspect it'll still get a lot of flak and possibly a nerf a bit after it's catalysts and such drop cause it's going to see a lot of use time and Bungie seems to usually see that as a problem child and puts it in time out.... All in all though I'm a big fan of pulse rifles a lot of the time so I look forward to seeing what it can really do soon enough
Just so you know it’s anything but a contender to arby. Arby can one shot barriers to the body in high end content. And this pulse can’t. It may not even be able to with a crit. Also if you run double special( which you should) you don’t run out of ammo.
I’m general all primaries need a large damage buff in pve. They just feel bad.
She makes him happy, 'nuff said boys.
To the opening statement: Yes, it is unfinished. I don't really care about the potential it might have, i will use outbreak instead since i like that weapon more and it feels better to use. I see the strength and value this has, but i tend to ignore that so i can have a weapon that feels better to use.
But, literally the better Hawkmoon???
I mean it has more range, also a one shit mechanic, but it is not restricted to the last bullet of a magazine and requires at least 6 crits and yet it can duel maybe better.
I don't want to give up DMT since I love hip fire and still being able to have precision play and I really like scout rifles, but this weapon had me questioning my loyalty as soon as I got some time in with it.
Looking forward to see how it feels further down in the season as we unlock additional crafting mods
I'm thinking that the 2-burst is doing more damage because of fall off; 2-burst has an 81 range vs. 56 with the 4-burst. The 2-burst crits like my 4-burst Blast Furnace that has 89 range( which I still used in Crucible until this gun released) When the barrel perks unlock I believe this weapon will be a 4-burst Hellion making people whine and cry for nerfs...looking forward to it lol
Revision Zero is going to be way stronger than Arbalest because: you can have Armor piercing rounds so that it one shots barriers with a heavy shot (exotic perk) and it can also have Vorpal weapon (20% extra dmg to ultras and up) with Four times the charm for 6 heavy shots instead of 4.... and also, it an EXOTIC PRIMARY so that means more heavy ammo spawns (I mean sure, we have Eon Cult and Lucent finisher but still, if you have a different build and you can't use Eon or Lucent finisher, that's an option too
100% agreed, I live the weapon too, so I tell my buddies to try it out themselves since I figured I’d be biased. Considering I already have a level 19 on the first week, don’t trust me 😅
I could not agree more with being emotionally compromised by this thing. I absolutely love everything about this gun because it wants to be played the way I like to play. Good gun for many, great gun for some, Amazing weapon for few.
8:33 is literally me w/ Cerberus XD
I just hope we can actually modify it on the fly once it is complete, and don't have to run to the relic everytime we want to change it.
Keep in mind the sniper mode takes primary flinch and not sniper flinch so you won’t get knocked to the ceiling
Quite a different opinion to TV. But I’m completely with you on this. It reminds me of DMT when it first dropped and put many other weapons to shame. imo It beats most of its other weapon archetype counterparts; Symmetry, Hawkmoon, Vex Mytho. I still don’t think it rivals Tarrabah but that’s comparing very different beasts. This gun brings back Zen Meteor in Pulse form, not unlike Crimson but may do it better.
I've been a hand cannon guy for the entirety of my Destiny 1 and 2 experience... but this thing puts a smile on my face and its not even complete yet.
Now that it's fully craftable people are sleeping on it. I run smallbore, ricochet, moving target, fitted stock, and outlaw. This gives 83 range and 97 stability on the 4 burst mode with 100 recoil direction. Outlaw obviously helps with reload so you dont need reload mods. Needs some help in the handling department. Definitely gonna want dexterity mods or ophidians or both but it's an absolute LAZER. easiest 2 burst in the game.
As a little higher than average pve player I enjoy using it a lot. It DOES feel good and the sniper mode damage is also signifcant. This gun might even make me a better pvp player as I definitely want to invest in using it.
My main issue is the hit registration feels a bit off compared to other 450 aggressive burst pulse's, compared to my old blast furnace, disparity, or sacred providence, it just feels weirdly off, my shots connect even if I am not trying, and when I try, it just feels just ever so slightly weird.
Merry Xmas, crucible doctor🎅