Your viewpoint on this is very welcomed. If anything you are being too humble. You are 100 % correct that his language , anger and speech is not biblical. It is not temperament and it is not Christlike. He is an angry , pridefilled man who has set himself up as a god. Even if 3 of his children coming forward were lying about the abuse, he does not have his house in order, and he chooses which parts if the scriptures he wants too dictate too others, whilst clearly going against other scriptures. Anyone who criticises you is foolish and weak minded and not of the Lord. God bless you and yours and keep speaking truth.
Thank you for making videos addressing all this. I hope more pastors bring to light the truth about Pastor Anderson. I am not a NIFB hater, but i have lost so much respect for many of those pastors. It seems as if they believe as long as you are saved you can do and say what you want. It seems like the NIFB in large is not promoting godliness. There are so many red flags with the NIFB.
the whole thing about ordination is, there is no biblical requirement for a pastor to be formally ordained by a sending church. It's Christ who gives the church pastors, evangelists, teachers, etc. Not something that has to be decided by men. Therefore if the holy spirit leads someone to start a church on their own, it is not a problem biblically. I think there is some value in having pastoral training though, like being trained in how to deal with people in church, how to counsel people, and other topics, but I don't see it as a biblical command that it is strictly necessary. While there are examples in the Bible of men being sent out in similar way as they are today, that does not mean that it is a requirement.
@mikeha Authority in the Bible is very important. In order to have the authority, it must be appointed unto a person from another person in authority. A church without an ordained elder is not in order, according to Titus 1. If someone "started a church" out of necessity, they would still need someone to appoint them an elder over that church. I wouldn't deny that Anderson is the pastor of the church, because the church recognize him as such, and the state recognizes him as such. Nor would I make any claim that those who he ordained are not truly pastors. My only claim is that if someone did start a church, without proper authority, then they seem to be "self-willed" (which not being self-willed is actually a qualification we should look for in a pastor).
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 that doctrine is found nowhere in the Bible. The holy spirit ordains pastors, not man. just because there are examples of such a thing being done does not mean it was an absolute requirement. if there has to be an unbroken line of pastors ordaining pastors, we have a big problem because the line would have been broken long ago
@mikeha I agree that there doesn't need to be an "unbroken line." A person's ordination is not null and void if the one who ordained them turns out to be unqualified. Especially when it is in ignorance. Other than that, we will.just have to.disagree. obviously it is off track from the overall point of the post.
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 yes, i have always disagreed with this doctrine that seems to come from the IFB. there are a long list of famous preachers who were never ordained including a lot of free grace theology preachers. Also, what is the actual difference between someone running a UA-cam channel who is preaching and someone who preaches in a church building? Both have congregations. Both can accept donations. The only difference I can see is simply a difference in physical location vs online virtual location. So are all those preachers "self-willed"? I will say that no, they are not, they are empowered by the holy spirit to go out and preach. Also Watchman Nee and many pastors in China and other places where Christianity is outlawed do not get "formally ordained". They just gather and organize church meetings themselves. Ultimately it comes down to is that preacher preaching the truth? because there are plenty of properly ordained ministers who are false prophets. 99% of pastors today would fit that bill
I was raised IFB and am now SBC. I have never heard a Pastor cuss behind the pulpit, or anywhere, until the NIFB. The Bible says so much about our speech. I really feel cussing for a Christian hurts our testimony, and is definitely not being separate.
I used to go to FWBC and now take the family to a more traditional IFB church. However if you are referring to PA using the words "Piss", "whore" or "bastard" as cuss words, you need to get a KJV Bible and realize those are proper descriptive English words. And I prefer them over the watered down less powerful phrases used in their place. PA has some household issues. But we got to separate fact from fiction. What PA preached was 99% spot on biblical. Hypocricy is the issue.
@PsalmFourteenOne When a pastor speaks something that even the world calls profanity, there is a problem. I am not just talking about the words they call " Biblical cuss words", however, I do think those are inappropriate also.
@@ashlieleavelle not a fan of the anderson lunatic...that said, the 'world' finds it profane to not call men in dresses women. Just something to chew on for a balanced and big picture view of all this.
that is a lucid, intelligent, well thought out objection. overruled! anderson is an organic, against the grain of conformity man of God, warts and all. I would rather listen to his preaching than the mainstream
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 you're welcome. anytime you foment the instigation of a transsexual, satanist who clearly has an ax to grind, you sir, are warming yourself by the enemy's campfire
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 this dead domain person. he has an ax to grind with anderson from way back. he is platforming the lies of anderson's children, much to dead domains sick glee
Steve Lawson, a calvinist pastor was fired from his church for inappropiate relationship Meanwhile, old independent baptist church pastors are calling for the resignation of new independent baptist church pastor anderson for red flags and for not ruling his house well. Meanwhile ken hovind, who divorced his wives and remarried still remain pastoring a church and nobody calling for his resignation. Meanwhile the pope decrees that all religions lead to God or something The devil is happily watching the show eating popcorn
isnt it double standard? Old ifb who have nothing to do with nifb having higher standards for nifb and are silence, not batting an eye with ifb pastors who are divorced and remarried and still pastoring. You claim to be friends with pastor anderson for 8 years, have you told him about your red flags and uncomfortable concerns? Why wait for this time to tell the youtube land about pastor anderson's disqualifying characteristics, like the red flag personality, cringy loud yelling and screaming, you can also include the jumping of the pulpit, and all stuff. Me personally i dont know him. And not friends with him nor had attended his church, but i listened to his sermons, every week because i learned a lot. I repented a lot of wrong beliefs because of his preachings. Many people do. UA-cam has censored him and terminated his channel, and now this, people wants him out as a pastor. If kent hovind can continue to be a pastor for a more serious sin, and nobody calling for his resignation, why cant pastor Anderson. I think he never hides his personality and beliefs and attitude. I dont know. But i will continue to pray for him and accept what God's better and best plan for him. I know he loves God and has passion for souls.
@jimmyarante Steve lawson has virtually no effect on me or the church I pastor, and I never even heard of him until yesterday. I don't have to call out Kent Hovind because Pastor Anderson did it for us. I didn't take issue at all with his rebuke on Kent Hovind for his marriage (or whatever you call it).
Also Tullian Tchividjiam was unfaithful, got kicked out of his denomination, and then started his own church with his mistress. Nobody complains about that either
@@jimmyarante Personally, all this cultish following of any pastor baffles me. Perhaps, because it is indeed cultish. One common feature of all cultish churches is that they avoid preaching on the Love of God, but go out of their way to instill fear into their followers. No, not the fear of God, but fear of the outside, because, once again, they are cultish.
Thank you for this insightful understanding of PSA, I came across his sermons after learning about the TR Vs CT. The recent news is sad but no pastor is perfect nor has perfect doctrine, we all fall short in some area. What I liked about PSA was he stuck to the Bible, he quoted directly from it using 40-60 scriptures per sermon and knew the Bible really well, it blew me away the first time I heard him, it was like he was fluent in the KJV. Most teachers today glorify men's interpretation instead of letting the Bible talk. I don't agree with everything he teaches, I am still on the fence with his reprobate doctrine in Romans 1 and his style of swearing & publically kicking people out of his church is really bad. The biggest red flag for me wasn't the recent news but his yoking up with a Calvinist to create "going back to the greek" which really stumped me considering how much he verbally disagrees with it in his preaching. I do believe rebellious children are a sign of poor leadership in the home though and should cancel you from being a pastor of any church, clearly bringing his children up with the rod didn't work. I was brought up with the rod and it made the situation worse in the family home.
I found and started to listen to Steven Anderson in 2016. I also have had the same or similar thoughts on some of the red flags you mentioned. To me, there were others - perhaps because of my point of view as a layman regular church member - but the amount of sermons/backyard videos and comments from him seemed extremely off. Almost as if he was a blogger/commentator who happened to be a preacher. I have said - many others have too - that he including the other preachers around him have a bad spirit. Anderson mocked that ALOT, and it is hard to explain and to quantify because we are all sinful people and so it makes sense we'd all have a bad spirit time to time. But with Anderson, to me, it was on another level - if not hateful in preaching, just cold. I believe that Anderson (including his lackeys) exhibit highly neurotic behavior. You can see this with the in group out group mentality, everyone has to conform. Huge amounts of insecurity, I remember multiple sermons of Anderson having to yell and bag on the pulpit "IM THE MAN OF GOD OF THIS CHURCH...." and so on and so forth. Its not normal behavior for a pastor to have to semi frequently reassert your authority from the pulpit - in a specific sermon on a topic sure but c'mon lol. There are many other areas in which I think it can be said he has a bad spirit, but the biggest probably and last I'll mention - is the sheer amount of pride that oozes from that man. Like c'mon, the dude self taught himself Hebrew for like 1 year maybe longer, then proclaims that the KJV has a typo that persisted for 400+ years. I appreciate your integrity Pastor. This current situation is beyond the line of "red flags" this is very wicked the types of things being justified, said, and done. There are a group of kool-aid drinkers, as I call them, who will happily accept all this stuff. I feel for all of their families, and if they be in local churches. If someone has no issue turning a blind eye to whats been openly discussed, they are morally bankrupt, in my opinion.
amen, many from outside of the movement have warned about these red flags. Sadly, their is a spirit of "us against the world" from many in the NIFB churches and any rebuke from outside is seen as an attack, thus they cannot be corrected. I notice that anybody who think PSA should step aside is viciously attacked by his followers. Reminds me of 1Corinthians 3!
The first time I understood salvation was through his clear exposition back in 2014/2015; Salvation and Once Saved Always Saved. Not sparing the rod on his children is OK, but abuse it not OK. Then there's the abuse of his wife which takes things to a whole different level altogether. You can't argue yourself around slapping a spouse. If you think it's Biblical, you belong behind bars. His preaching is very lucid most times, but I've noticed that once he strays off the Bible, it gets quite looney. Overall, a terrible loss if he doesn't change his ways. *Steven Anderson Red Flags* 15:30 Didn't tell his parents about getting married: kept it a secret 17:00 Didn't get ordination to starting a church: not approved by a sending church 18:15 Cussing: I was shocked to see a pastor send someone the middle-finger: ua-cam.com/video/hJtyMIk77qs/v-deo.html 25:10 Unrighteous indignation: Over the top theatrics, or real anger issues.
Gotta say I had somewhat similar feelings about him. Other than a few things I thought he was pretty accurate scripturally and that maybe it was his delivery that put people off. I will say that he came off as arrogant and hateful at times but I chalked that up to a certain holy boldness. Maybe I was wrong about that but I always felt that I didn’t need my ears tickled and preferred the straight unedited truth. That said, I am aware that many claim he is a “hate preacher” and also say he does not have sound biblical doctrine. In the end a man (and especially a pastor) should have his house in order and there is a line crossed if you go beyond spanking your children although I have no idea obviously the true facts behind those accusations. I do however think that there is more to it than what we are being told or those kids would have been removed from the home long ago. So the one part I don’t necessarily believe is that cps will not do anything or help those children. We are foster parents and in my area if you even whisper the word abuse or hit they will show up asap and be removing the kids. So something about that sounds off. And finally I want to point out that the gay or trans dude that interviewed those three older kids who acted so kind and caring… if you don’t think that dude has a clear agenda other than helping those kids you’re crazy…
If Christian character and morals don't matter anymore, then why should he step down or be disqualified, right? And, if his denomination thinks his behavior is perfectly consistent with Jesus Christ and the Gospel, well that's all that matters, right? Or just maybe, it's just like Jesus foretold about the last days in Matthew 24 verses 4,5, 11-12, and 24! "Judge righteous judgment." and "Take heed that no one deceive you."
I used to watch Stephen Anderson, and I agreed with 90% of what he said. Most of the differences, I didn't have an issue with except for one. I believe that homosexuality is a sin. However, Anderson said there is no hope of repentance or salvation for then. To me, that is equally as bad as saying there ia nothing wrong with it!
1 Corinthians 6:11 KJV - And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I also assume you've worked out Steven's (and Shelley's) weak and surreal defense of what the children misheard and misinterpreted through the bedroom walls - and that what he and Szu get up to in the bedroom is nobody's business. So I assume you'll be doing an embarrassing video looking at extreme BDSM including whippings and paddle beatings from a biblical perspective.
You really just said a lot of words and really didn't say much at the same time. Cussing is not a big deal that's something that lukewarm Christians get upset about while they go off and watch horror movies but God forbid they say hell. Some of the worst Christians I know refused to say a bad word but do not live by the Bible and some of the best Christians I know sometimes say bad words
@Addie-j6f saying bad words are a minor issue for a Christian. I agree there are much more grievous sins to worry about. I only said it is a red flag for a pastor with a large audience to do so behind the pulpit. It seems to me like a lack of self-control. I'll explain the connection in my next video that is being uploaded now. You certainly don't have to watch it if you don't find me a credible source.
@@Cellistandpianist"shit", "crap", "piss" are not even curse words. They are not even inappropiate, technially. Real ccurse words would be desiring harm/evil upon another.
Thank you for doing the right thing. I always enjoyed your sermons, but I stopped listening to all NIFB pastors over the Romans 10/Norm Diamante controversy. Please give my Romans 10 videos a watch.
I've heard Anderson take one thing back, in the hundreds of his sermons I've listened to. He admitted he was mistaken about how Michael Landon died. I've never heard of him admitting he was wrong in any attitude or demeanor or behavior whatsoever, never heard him say he wished he'd handled something differently, and never heard of him apologizing to anyone. (His son said the same thing by the way...)
He flip-flopped on what "abusers of themselves with mankind means", and he changed what he believes about the day of the Crucifixion (Wednesday to Thursday) after I did a video on it. But, of course, he frames mistakes as "Oh, I contradicted myself", not "I contradicted the Bible".
I heard Shelley "regret" his head-kicking days in a recent video regarding the abuse controversy and Ps. McMurtry's twitter/x comment about Steven Anderson's disqualification. His so-called peace offering and apology struck me as disingenuous. He knows if Anderson goes down so too does he - and his tithe-money lucre. He nailed his colors to the Anderson mast long ago and it ain't never coming off. I trust none of them. It's all tactics and circling the wagons with that crowd. Christ was never with them.
I DON’T THINK PASTOR ANDERSON RAISED HIS KIDS TO BE IDIOTS Based on his own testimony. And the testimony of his kids. TOPIC OF FORCING YOUR WIFE Forcing your wife is against the law. And the bible does not teach it anywhere. Having power over your own body implies the wife is a believer. But, if she believes not, then she is not in bondage in such circumstances. She has done the wrong thing. But the bible does not give the man power to force her if she does not believe. She is still your wife, but she is not in bondage. She has done the wrong thing, but you cannot bring the bondage of forcing her in such circumstances. TOPIC OF WIFE BEATING I think that the bible is not teaching you can beat your wife. It's not teaching you can rape your wife. The bible teaches to use the Rod for correction. It does not teach you as a parent can use any other man-made object on your own children. The bible uses the term the rod literally. I think Pastor Anderson is in error for thinking the bible gives the husband the power to beat your wife; it does not. This is the verse he is in error on: Heb:12:6: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. This is typically punishment you would get from authority. And authority can be people of God. E.g whipping from government, magistrates or rulers. Not husband to wife. Scourging in the verse is also figurative. So he is just saying the same thing twice. Scourge is figurative for chasten. And this is why it says every son. The only way it makes sense is that it is figurative also. One of the qualifications for a pastor is being blameless. And beating your wife is against the law of man, and the gospel does not give the husband this power. And romans 13 comes into play. And, therefore he is not blameless, if the allegations are true. OTHER VERSES FOR AN INTELLECTUAL DEFENSE M't:12:50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Col:4:12: Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. De:28:1: And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: Ro:13:3: For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: Eph:6:1: Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. (Who are your parents? See above) Ec:10:1: Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour. Psalms:49:20: Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish. WEIGHING THE EVIDENCE I think that the evidence presented by PA's sermons, and his children out weighs: the PA's claim that it's a lie. Therefore, my judgement is that he is disqualified. He can still do other things like soul winning if he has the spirit. But cannot serve as a pastor again according to the bible. I have a lot to thank Pastor Anderson for. I would not be saved now if I didn't listen to his sermons and teachings along the way. And after Pastor Anderson according to knowledge, there’s a real big drop off. But the truth is what it is. I hope he does not pervert his way from this point, and does that which is right, returns to fellowship and friendship with those that have separated themselves.
It isn't sinful in and of itself to say the S and F word. The reframing from the use of words deamed cuss words in our American tradition is a tradition of men. If I say "I fucking love my wife!", where is the sin in that statement? I've said a good thing, I'm rejoicing even. That being said, there are plenty of good reasons to distance yourself from Anderson and Shelley, but the use of S and F are a weak one.
@johnmatthew7630 in and of itself, a word is a word. I get it. But certain words are just considered "bad" words by society. There are certain places where you wouldn't be allowed to say certain words. We should have self control and respect people enough to watch what we say. We are to have a good report of them that are without. Even the world would say "that pastor is using 'bad' words"
So what did he do? I really like the guy. He definitely is intense, but I can understand that from a public point of view. Sure personally he’s probably just a normal person.
Just watch the other videos that have been uploaded to this channel. The first video talking about pastor Tommy McMurtry explains the current situation.
Pastor Randall, I'm confused about why this has to be a series? Perhaps it's because of limited time? Or you want to deliver your peace in a very careful manner? You led yesterday's video with the notion that you were going to give your take as an independent Baptist pastor on whether pastor Anderson is still qualified. You mentioned how these current events confirmed what you thought might be the case about who pastor Anderson is, but this is sounding more like you've been wanting to distance yourself from pastor Anderson and the NIFB for a while, and this latest event makes it easy to do so. It doesn't seem like the best look. I don't want to make wild accusations. We're getting enough accusations these days, but I'm suspicious of this series format you've chosen to go with, instead of just making a single clean cut, thorough video of your position. Are you trying to capitalize on drama? Cause from my perspective, you're adding fuel to the fire at a time where all we have are testimonials and not hard evidence, and your comments about red flags have the potential to make more people pass more judgement based on speculation, rather then facts. Respectfully, from a fellow Independent Fundamental Baptist not directly tied to the NIFB.
The New IFB is sinking. Another video is about to drop - an interview with Steven's eldest daughter. It's critical for Christian men in ministry who were associated with the New IFB to disentangle and dissociate themselves from the New IFB well in advance of the New IFB mothership going down.
@in-textbaptist4947 it is a series for all the reasons you mentioned... except I don't think I'm looking for any attention or capitalizing on drama. I might not understand some of your accusations, but you might have noticed I'm saying very little about the actual accusations. The reason is because I want to show that, even if the accusations were a total fabrication (which I don't believe they are), they serve as confirmation of all of these other things that I am pointing out.
I don't see what is such a "bad look" about the format. I don't see what is such a bad look about bringing up all of the easily documented grievances, and why they were never enough for me to speak out, before we look at the current situation. I guess it is called "building a case."
If this is Pastor Anderson. Thank you for sharing your knowledge over an 11-year period. I appreciate it greatly. And after you, there's a really big drop off. Thank you. But I will be departing sadly. But really, thank you. But it's probably a troll:) LOL
Here is why I'm departing... I DON’T THINK PASTOR ANDERSON RAISED HIS KIDS TO BE IDIOTS Based on his own testimony. And the testimony of his kids. TOPIC OF FORCING YOUR WIFE Forcing your wife is against the law. And the bible does not teach it anywhere. Having power over your own body implies the wife is a believer. But, if she believes not, then she is not in bondage in such circumstances. She has done the wrong thing. But the bible does not give the man power to force her if she does not believe. She is still your wife, but she is not in bondage. She has done the wrong thing, but you cannot bring the bondage of forcing her in such circumstances. TOPIC OF WIFE BEATING I think that the bible is not teaching you can beat your wife. It's not teaching you can rape your wife. The bible teaches to use the Rod for correction. It does not teach you as a parent can use any other man-made object on your own children. The bible uses the term the rod literally. I think Pastor Anderson is in error for thinking the bible gives the husband the power to beat your wife; it does not. This is the verse he is in error on: Heb:12:6: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. This is typically punishment you would get from authority. And authority can be people of God. E.g whipping from government, magistrates or rulers. Not husband to wife. Scourging in the verse is also figurative. So he is just saying the same thing twice. Scourge is figurative for chasten. And this is why it says every son. The only way it makes sense is that it is figurative also. One of the qualifications for a pastor is being blameless. And beating your wife is against the law of man, and the gospel does not give the husband this power. And romans 13 comes into play. And, therefore he is not blameless, if the allegations are true. OTHER VERSES FOR AN INTELLECTUAL DEFENSE M't:12:50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Col:4:12: Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. De:28:1: And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: Ro:13:3: For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: Eph:6:1: Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. (Who are your parents? See above) Ec:10:1: Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour. Psalms:49:20: Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish. WEIGHING THE EVIDENCE I think that the evidence presented by PA's sermons, and his children out weighs: the PA's claim that it's a lie. Therefore, my judgement is that he is disqualified. He can still do other things like soul winning if he has the spirit. But cannot serve as a pastor again according to the bible. I have a lot to thank Pastor Anderson for. I would not be saved now if I didn't listen to his sermons and teachings along the way. And after Pastor Anderson according to knowledge, there’s a real big drop off. But the truth is what it is. I hope he does not pervert his way from this point, and does that which is right, returns to fellowship and friendship with those that have separated themselves.
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 ya it makes a tiny high pitched eeeeeeeee Thanks so much for your video. I was in FWBC for years. My husband made us leave because he thought Pastor Anderson was very angry. Too angry. And anger is something we fight against in our own hearts. It wasn't a good match for us.
Well, these “allegations” seem incredibly mild. The man uses words like “crap” and “pissed” (words you yourself repeated in this video), and sometimes gets angry when kicking someone out of a church. Kind of seems like we’re making a mountain out of a molehill, here. As for the criticisms from his children, that’s a whole different story.
@unclerhombus the point is to start at the root of the problem. Even if the children were to be lying, there is already enough evidence that says he is not ruling his house well, he is soon angry and lacks temperance, and is self-willed. (Some of the "red flags"
@unclerhombus also, the words aren't inherently evil, they just show lack of discernment (in my opinion) to use them in the way he does... especially as a pastor... especially from the pulpit.
@ehenningsen that's a fair judgment. I'll try to explain: It was indeed a red flag the way he talked about that subject (or the spirit in which he talked about it). But, as I explained in one of the videos, it is sort of so shocking to hear that you want to hear more (like a guilty pleasure, like watching a train wreck). But then, if you are a Bible believer, you can check up on his claims and begin to see where he is coming from. After dismissing his attitude (not saying one should), you are left to hash out your feeling about the passages in the Bible. When it comes to the judicial punishment on homosexuality, it is indeed in the Bible. So, you are forced to say, "God is evil," or you just say, "I can't understand this, but maybe it is just me."
@ehenningsen again, with the language, I'm just expressing that there was a spirit (or attitude) in which he delivered his messages that was very different than what I had experienced from any preacher before . And yes, his choice of words was what stood out.
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 Ah. The point got muddled up in the message. Thank you for clearing this up. We should all be soldiers for each other, regardless of belief.
You lost all credibility when you brought up the cussing thing it shows me that you just care about appearances and what people think instead of the reality of things
@Addie-j6f we are judged as Christians on our appearance, are we not? We are supposed to stay away from all "appearance of evil" are we not? We are told to control our tongues, and if we can control our tongues we can continue the whole body. I'm not saying I have complete control of mine, but it is something Christians should shoot for. And pastors are to lead the way.
Steven Anderson told his cult followers in a sermon to dismiss the evidence of his own son Isaac who has reported years of physical and emotional abuse perpetrated against him by his mother and father. On what grounds are we to dismiss Isaac's testimony according to Steven? Based on his long-haired appearance. Yet here you are with this head gaming garbage. Get thee hence.
You very well may find a milestone waiting for you in the hereafter instead of the pearly gates. There are now four children - all the eldest - who have reported extreme physical and emotional abuse from both Steven and Szu Anderson. I suggest you listen to Miriam Anderson's testimony and apologize to her for your great evil. Repent to God in any case.
@@andrewloza Nice to see you here Andrew. I don't think you've taken a break. I commented on your old videos about four years ago - you were a regular on Dirty Donnie and Judgment/Trashcan channels. But often butted heads on theological and moral grounds. You've always taken the high road - and for that I admire you. I'm sorry about the copyright strike from the PBP channel. Weird. I saw your comment asking if you could mirror the video - no response but a thumbs up. I would have thought sharing John's testimony took priority over all else. But the fella's no friend of Christ. He confused religion with Jesus Christ - and left both. So don't be too deflated. Just behave in the future. You're voice is needed.
Thanks for doing this because Someone needed to, it is truly a upsetting and disturbing situation.
Your viewpoint on this is very welcomed. If anything you are being too humble. You are 100 % correct that his language , anger and speech is not biblical. It is not temperament and it is not Christlike. He is an angry , pridefilled man who has set himself up as a god. Even if 3 of his children coming forward were lying about the abuse, he does not have his house in order, and he chooses which parts if the scriptures he wants too dictate too others, whilst clearly going against other scriptures. Anyone who criticises you is foolish and weak minded and not of the Lord. God bless you and yours and keep speaking truth.
We need to be bold and say exactly what needs to be said. The gov is failing yet again... poor CPS safety and child justice. God bless you!!
Thank you for making videos addressing all this. I hope more pastors bring to light the truth about Pastor Anderson. I am not a NIFB hater, but i have lost so much respect for many of those pastors. It seems as if they believe as long as you are saved you can do and say what you want. It seems like the NIFB in large is not promoting godliness. There are so many red flags with the NIFB.
the whole thing about ordination is, there is no biblical requirement for a pastor to be formally ordained by a sending church. It's Christ who gives the church pastors, evangelists, teachers, etc. Not something that has to be decided by men. Therefore if the holy spirit leads someone to start a church on their own, it is not a problem biblically.
I think there is some value in having pastoral training though, like being trained in how to deal with people in church, how to counsel people, and other topics, but I don't see it as a biblical command that it is strictly necessary. While there are examples in the Bible of men being sent out in similar way as they are today, that does not mean that it is a requirement.
@mikeha Authority in the Bible is very important. In order to have the authority, it must be appointed unto a person from another person in authority. A church without an ordained elder is not in order, according to Titus 1. If someone "started a church" out of necessity, they would still need someone to appoint them an elder over that church.
I wouldn't deny that Anderson is the pastor of the church, because the church recognize him as such, and the state recognizes him as such. Nor would I make any claim that those who he ordained are not truly pastors. My only claim is that if someone did start a church, without proper authority, then they seem to be "self-willed" (which not being self-willed is actually a qualification we should look for in a pastor).
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 that doctrine is found nowhere in the Bible. The holy spirit ordains pastors, not man. just because there are examples of such a thing being done does not mean it was an absolute requirement. if there has to be an unbroken line of pastors ordaining pastors, we have a big problem because the line would have been broken long ago
@mikeha I agree that there doesn't need to be an "unbroken line." A person's ordination is not null and void if the one who ordained them turns out to be unqualified. Especially when it is in ignorance.
Other than that, we will.just have to.disagree. obviously it is off track from the overall point of the post.
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 yes, i have always disagreed with this doctrine that seems to come from the IFB. there are a long list of famous preachers who were never ordained including a lot of free grace theology preachers. Also, what is the actual difference between someone running a UA-cam channel who is preaching and someone who preaches in a church building? Both have congregations. Both can accept donations. The only difference I can see is simply a difference in physical location vs online virtual location.
So are all those preachers "self-willed"? I will say that no, they are not, they are empowered by the holy spirit to go out and preach.
Also Watchman Nee and many pastors in China and other places where Christianity is outlawed do not get "formally ordained". They just gather and organize church meetings themselves.
Ultimately it comes down to is that preacher preaching the truth? because there are plenty of properly ordained ministers who are false prophets. 99% of pastors today would fit that bill
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 the problem is OSAS teaching. This is the fruit of that doctrine.
I was raised IFB and am now SBC. I have never heard a Pastor cuss behind the pulpit, or anywhere, until the NIFB. The Bible says so much about our speech. I really feel cussing for a Christian hurts our testimony, and is definitely not being separate.
I used to go to FWBC and now take the family to a more traditional IFB church. However if you are referring to PA using the words "Piss", "whore" or "bastard" as cuss words, you need to get a KJV Bible and realize those are proper descriptive English words. And I prefer them over the watered down less powerful phrases used in their place.
PA has some household issues. But we got to separate fact from fiction. What PA preached was 99% spot on biblical. Hypocricy is the issue.
@PsalmFourteenOne When a pastor speaks something that even the world calls profanity, there is a problem. I am not just talking about the words they call " Biblical cuss words", however, I do think those are inappropriate also.
@@ashlieleavelle not a fan of the anderson lunatic...that said, the 'world' finds it profane to not call men in dresses women.
Just something to chew on for a balanced and big picture view of all this.
Yeah I agree with you, 'Marxist Lucifer King' was a good one
Thank you Bro Rocky for speaking more on this topic. I have really wondered where you stand for many years as I knew you were somehow connected.
that is a lucid, intelligent, well thought out objection. overruled! anderson is an organic, against the grain of conformity man of God, warts and all. I would rather listen to his preaching than the mainstream
Haha. Well, thanks for sharing.
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 you're welcome. anytime you foment the instigation of a transsexual, satanist who clearly has an ax to grind, you sir, are warming yourself by the enemy's campfire
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 you are warming yourself by the enemy's campfire. smh
@ultrakool please explain. Who's the enemy?
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 this dead domain person. he has an ax to grind with anderson from way back. he is platforming the lies of anderson's children, much to dead domains sick glee
Steve Lawson, a calvinist pastor was fired from his church for inappropiate relationship
Meanwhile, old independent baptist church pastors are calling for the resignation of new independent baptist church pastor anderson for red flags and for not ruling his house well.
Meanwhile ken hovind, who divorced his wives and remarried still remain pastoring a church and nobody calling for his resignation.
Meanwhile the pope decrees that all religions lead to God or something
The devil is happily watching the show eating popcorn
@jimmyarante unfortunate isn't it? We had better put on the armor of God and let God protect us from the firey darts.
isnt it double standard?
Old ifb who have nothing to do with nifb having higher standards for nifb and are silence, not batting an eye with ifb pastors who are divorced and remarried and still pastoring.
You claim to be friends with pastor anderson for 8 years, have you told him about your red flags and uncomfortable concerns? Why wait for this time to tell the youtube land about pastor anderson's disqualifying characteristics, like the red flag personality, cringy loud yelling and screaming, you can also include the jumping of the pulpit, and all stuff.
Me personally i dont know him. And not friends with him nor had attended his church, but i listened to his sermons, every week because i learned a lot. I repented a lot of wrong beliefs because of his preachings. Many people do. UA-cam has censored him and terminated his channel, and now this, people wants him out as a pastor.
If kent hovind can continue to be a pastor for a more serious sin, and nobody calling for his resignation, why cant pastor Anderson. I think he never hides his personality and beliefs and attitude.
I dont know. But i will continue to pray for him and accept what God's better and best plan for him. I know he loves God and has passion for souls.
@jimmyarante Steve lawson has virtually no effect on me or the church I pastor, and I never even heard of him until yesterday. I don't have to call out Kent Hovind because Pastor Anderson did it for us. I didn't take issue at all with his rebuke on Kent Hovind for his marriage (or whatever you call it).
Also Tullian Tchividjiam was unfaithful, got kicked out of his denomination, and then started his own church with his mistress. Nobody complains about that either
@@jimmyarante
Personally, all this cultish following of any pastor baffles me. Perhaps, because it is indeed cultish.
One common feature of all cultish churches is that they avoid preaching on the Love of God, but go out of their way to instill fear into their followers.
No, not the fear of God, but fear of the outside, because, once again, they are cultish.
Thank you for this insightful understanding of PSA, I came across his sermons after learning about the TR Vs CT. The recent news is sad but no pastor is perfect nor has perfect doctrine, we all fall short in some area. What I liked about PSA was he stuck to the Bible, he quoted directly from it using 40-60 scriptures per sermon and knew the Bible really well, it blew me away the first time I heard him, it was like he was fluent in the KJV. Most teachers today glorify men's interpretation instead of letting the Bible talk.
I don't agree with everything he teaches, I am still on the fence with his reprobate doctrine in Romans 1 and his style of swearing & publically kicking people out of his church is really bad. The biggest red flag for me wasn't the recent news but his yoking up with a Calvinist to create "going back to the greek" which really stumped me considering how much he verbally disagrees with it in his preaching.
I do believe rebellious children are a sign of poor leadership in the home though and should cancel you from being a pastor of any church, clearly bringing his children up with the rod didn't work. I was brought up with the rod and it made the situation worse in the family home.
i could see Anderson stepping down as pastor, then becoming a full time online "Preacher"
@@MrDjhealth honestly, I'd still listen to his teaching and preaching
I found and started to listen to Steven Anderson in 2016. I also have had the same or similar thoughts on some of the red flags you mentioned. To me, there were others - perhaps because of my point of view as a layman regular church member - but the amount of sermons/backyard videos and comments from him seemed extremely off. Almost as if he was a blogger/commentator who happened to be a preacher. I have said - many others have too - that he including the other preachers around him have a bad spirit. Anderson mocked that ALOT, and it is hard to explain and to quantify because we are all sinful people and so it makes sense we'd all have a bad spirit time to time. But with Anderson, to me, it was on another level - if not hateful in preaching, just cold.
I believe that Anderson (including his lackeys) exhibit highly neurotic behavior. You can see this with the in group out group mentality, everyone has to conform. Huge amounts of insecurity, I remember multiple sermons of Anderson having to yell and bag on the pulpit "IM THE MAN OF GOD OF THIS CHURCH...." and so on and so forth. Its not normal behavior for a pastor to have to semi frequently reassert your authority from the pulpit - in a specific sermon on a topic sure but c'mon lol.
There are many other areas in which I think it can be said he has a bad spirit, but the biggest probably and last I'll mention - is the sheer amount of pride that oozes from that man. Like c'mon, the dude self taught himself Hebrew for like 1 year maybe longer, then proclaims that the KJV has a typo that persisted for 400+ years.
I appreciate your integrity Pastor. This current situation is beyond the line of "red flags" this is very wicked the types of things being justified, said, and done. There are a group of kool-aid drinkers, as I call them, who will happily accept all this stuff. I feel for all of their families, and if they be in local churches. If someone has no issue turning a blind eye to whats been openly discussed, they are morally bankrupt, in my opinion.
the NIFB pastors all seem to act like schoolyard bullies a lot
Ask his children and you'll find a lot of negatives.
But God is cleaning his church in this stage.
Thank God.
amen, many from outside of the movement have warned about these red flags. Sadly, their is a spirit of "us against the world" from many in the NIFB churches and any rebuke from outside is seen as an attack, thus they cannot be corrected.
I notice that anybody who think PSA should step aside is viciously attacked by his followers. Reminds me of 1Corinthians 3!
The first time I understood salvation was through his clear exposition back in 2014/2015; Salvation and Once Saved Always Saved.
Not sparing the rod on his children is OK, but abuse it not OK. Then there's the abuse of his wife which takes things to a whole different level altogether. You can't argue yourself around slapping a spouse. If you think it's Biblical, you belong behind bars.
His preaching is very lucid most times, but I've noticed that once he strays off the Bible, it gets quite looney. Overall, a terrible loss if he doesn't change his ways.
*Steven Anderson Red Flags*
15:30 Didn't tell his parents about getting married: kept it a secret
17:00 Didn't get ordination to starting a church: not approved by a sending church
18:15 Cussing: I was shocked to see a pastor send someone the middle-finger: ua-cam.com/video/hJtyMIk77qs/v-deo.html
25:10 Unrighteous indignation: Over the top theatrics, or real anger issues.
Steven Anderson is abusive and it amazes people still follow the guy. He fits every dsm criteria for narc or sociopath
Gotta say I had somewhat similar feelings about him. Other than a few things I thought he was pretty accurate scripturally and that maybe it was his delivery that put people off. I will say that he came off as arrogant and hateful at times but I chalked that up to a certain holy boldness. Maybe I was wrong about that but I always felt that I didn’t need my ears tickled and preferred the straight unedited truth. That said, I am aware that many claim he is a “hate preacher” and also say he does not have sound biblical doctrine. In the end a man (and especially a pastor) should have his house in order and there is a line crossed if you go beyond spanking your children although I have no idea obviously the true facts behind those accusations. I do however think that there is more to it than what we are being told or those kids would have been removed from the home long ago. So the one part I don’t necessarily believe is that cps will not do anything or help those children. We are foster parents and in my area if you even whisper the word abuse or hit they will show up asap and be removing the kids. So something about that sounds off. And finally I want to point out that the gay or trans dude that interviewed those three older kids who acted so kind and caring… if you don’t think that dude has a clear agenda other than helping those kids you’re crazy…
@@37south47 I agree with all of that.
If Christian character and morals don't matter anymore, then why should he step down or be disqualified, right? And, if his denomination thinks his behavior is perfectly consistent with Jesus Christ and the Gospel, well that's all that matters, right? Or just maybe, it's just like Jesus foretold about the last days in Matthew 24 verses 4,5, 11-12, and 24! "Judge righteous judgment." and "Take heed that no one deceive you."
Appreciate your thoughts.
I used to watch Stephen Anderson, and I agreed with 90% of what he said. Most of the differences, I didn't have an issue with except for one. I believe that homosexuality is a sin. However, Anderson said there is no hope of repentance or salvation for then. To me, that is equally as bad as saying there ia nothing wrong with it!
1 Corinthians 6:11 KJV - And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I also assume you've worked out Steven's (and Shelley's) weak and surreal defense of what the children misheard and misinterpreted through the bedroom walls - and that what he and Szu get up to in the bedroom is nobody's business. So I assume you'll be doing an embarrassing video looking at extreme BDSM including whippings and paddle beatings from a biblical perspective.
Next sermon: “BDSM in light of the Bible” 😂
Do you agree with his response that you do not repent of your sins to be saved?
@@LUGraduate100 yes
@@iolabaptisttemple7306why?
@@iolabaptisttemple7306please explain
You don’t have to repent of your sins to get saved. Just read the Bible
You really just said a lot of words and really didn't say much at the same time. Cussing is not a big deal that's something that lukewarm Christians get upset about while they go off and watch horror movies but God forbid they say hell. Some of the worst Christians I know refused to say a bad word but do not live by the Bible and some of the best Christians I know sometimes say bad words
@Addie-j6f saying bad words are a minor issue for a Christian. I agree there are much more grievous sins to worry about. I only said it is a red flag for a pastor with a large audience to do so behind the pulpit. It seems to me like a lack of self-control. I'll explain the connection in my next video that is being uploaded now. You certainly don't have to watch it if you don't find me a credible source.
If I’m not mistaken, Peter himself when denying Christ started cursing when trying to make a show of dissociation.
Using a 4 letter sexually explicit word behind the pulpit as a baptist pastor is straight up grooming
@@Cellistandpianist"shit", "crap", "piss" are not even curse words. They are not even inappropiate, technially.
Real ccurse words would be desiring harm/evil upon another.
Thank you for doing the right thing. I always enjoyed your sermons, but I stopped listening to all NIFB pastors over the Romans 10/Norm Diamante controversy. Please give my Romans 10 videos a watch.
Pastor Randall how is your day going
@@LUGraduate100 it has been great.
I've heard Anderson take one thing back, in the hundreds of his sermons I've listened to. He admitted he was mistaken about how Michael Landon died.
I've never heard of him admitting he was wrong in any attitude or demeanor or behavior whatsoever, never heard him say he wished he'd handled something differently, and never heard of him apologizing to anyone.
(His son said the same thing by the way...)
He flip-flopped on what "abusers of themselves with mankind means", and he changed what he believes about the day of the Crucifixion (Wednesday to Thursday) after I did a video on it. But, of course, he frames mistakes as "Oh, I contradicted myself", not "I contradicted the Bible".
I heard Shelley "regret" his head-kicking days in a recent video regarding the abuse controversy and Ps. McMurtry's twitter/x comment about Steven Anderson's disqualification. His so-called peace offering and apology struck me as disingenuous. He knows if Anderson goes down so too does he - and his tithe-money lucre. He nailed his colors to the Anderson mast long ago and it ain't never coming off. I trust none of them. It's all tactics and circling the wagons with that crowd. Christ was never with them.
I have observed the same phenomenon
I DON’T THINK PASTOR ANDERSON RAISED HIS KIDS TO BE IDIOTS
Based on his own testimony. And the testimony of his kids.
TOPIC OF FORCING YOUR WIFE
Forcing your wife is against the law. And the bible does not teach it anywhere.
Having power over your own body implies the wife is a believer. But, if she believes not, then she is not in bondage in such circumstances. She has done the wrong thing. But the bible does not give the man power to force her if she does not believe.
She is still your wife, but she is not in bondage. She has done the wrong thing, but you cannot bring the bondage of forcing her in such circumstances.
TOPIC OF WIFE BEATING
I think that the bible is not teaching you can beat your wife. It's not teaching you can rape your wife. The bible teaches to use the Rod for correction. It does not teach you as a parent can use any other man-made object on your own children.
The bible uses the term the rod literally. I think Pastor Anderson is in error for thinking the bible gives the husband the power to beat your wife; it does not. This is the verse he is in error on:
Heb:12:6: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
This is typically punishment you would get from authority. And authority can be people of God. E.g whipping from government, magistrates or rulers. Not husband to wife.
Scourging in the verse is also figurative. So he is just saying the same thing twice. Scourge is figurative for chasten. And this is why it says every son. The only way it makes sense is that it is figurative also.
One of the qualifications for a pastor is being blameless. And beating your wife is against the law of man, and the gospel does not give the husband this power. And romans 13 comes into play. And, therefore he is not blameless, if the allegations are true.
OTHER VERSES FOR AN INTELLECTUAL DEFENSE
M't:12:50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Col:4:12: Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
De:28:1: And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
Ro:13:3: For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Eph:6:1: Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
(Who are your parents? See above)
Ec:10:1: Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.
Psalms:49:20: Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.
WEIGHING THE EVIDENCE
I think that the evidence presented by PA's sermons, and his children out weighs: the PA's claim that it's a lie. Therefore, my judgement is that he is disqualified.
He can still do other things like soul winning if he has the spirit. But cannot serve as a pastor again according to the bible.
I have a lot to thank Pastor Anderson for. I would not be saved now if I didn't listen to his sermons and teachings along the way. And after Pastor Anderson according to knowledge, there’s a real big drop off. But the truth is what it is.
I hope he does not pervert his way from this point, and does that which is right, returns to fellowship and friendship with those that have separated themselves.
Don’t forget Shelly saying the F ford. Also, Shelly saying the S word on the phone
I mentioned that in this video (not by name)
Shelly is a potty mouth
It isn't sinful in and of itself to say the S and F word. The reframing from the use of words deamed cuss words in our American tradition is a tradition of men. If I say "I fucking love my wife!", where is the sin in that statement? I've said a good thing, I'm rejoicing even. That being said, there are plenty of good reasons to distance yourself from Anderson and Shelley, but the use of S and F are a weak one.
@johnmatthew7630 in and of itself, a word is a word. I get it. But certain words are just considered "bad" words by society. There are certain places where you wouldn't be allowed to say certain words. We should have self control and respect people enough to watch what we say. We are to have a good report of them that are without. Even the world would say "that pastor is using 'bad' words"
So what did he do?
I really like the guy. He definitely is intense, but I can understand that from a public point of view. Sure personally he’s probably just a normal person.
Just watch the other videos that have been uploaded to this channel. The first video talking about pastor Tommy McMurtry explains the current situation.
@@abaddontheannihilator8144 Thanks, I'll definitely watch it
Pastor Randall, I'm confused about why this has to be a series? Perhaps it's because of limited time? Or you want to deliver your peace in a very careful manner?
You led yesterday's video with the notion that you were going to give your take as an independent Baptist pastor on whether pastor Anderson is still qualified. You mentioned how these current events confirmed what you thought might be the case about who pastor Anderson is, but this is sounding more like you've been wanting to distance yourself from pastor Anderson and the NIFB for a while, and this latest event makes it easy to do so. It doesn't seem like the best look.
I don't want to make wild accusations. We're getting enough accusations these days, but I'm suspicious of this series format you've chosen to go with, instead of just making a single clean cut, thorough video of your position. Are you trying to capitalize on drama? Cause from my perspective, you're adding fuel to the fire at a time where all we have are testimonials and not hard evidence, and your comments about red flags have the potential to make more people pass more judgement based on speculation, rather then facts.
Respectfully, from a fellow Independent Fundamental Baptist not directly tied to the NIFB.
The New IFB is sinking. Another video is about to drop - an interview with Steven's eldest daughter. It's critical for Christian men in ministry who were associated with the New IFB to disentangle and dissociate themselves from the New IFB well in advance of the New IFB mothership going down.
@in-textbaptist4947 it is a series for all the reasons you mentioned... except I don't think I'm looking for any attention or capitalizing on drama. I might not understand some of your accusations, but you might have noticed I'm saying very little about the actual accusations. The reason is because I want to show that, even if the accusations were a total fabrication (which I don't believe they are), they serve as confirmation of all of these other things that I am pointing out.
I don't see what is such a "bad look" about the format. I don't see what is such a bad look about bringing up all of the easily documented grievances, and why they were never enough for me to speak out, before we look at the current situation. I guess it is called "building a case."
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 Thanks for responding.
@@KennethMahjongOathIIhow do you know it’s the eldest daughter
He sounds like a great guy
@@StevenAnderson-1611 could be
If this is Pastor Anderson. Thank you for sharing your knowledge over an 11-year period. I appreciate it greatly. And after you, there's a really big drop off. Thank you.
But I will be departing sadly. But really, thank you.
But it's probably a troll:) LOL
Here is why I'm departing...
I DON’T THINK PASTOR ANDERSON RAISED HIS KIDS TO BE IDIOTS
Based on his own testimony. And the testimony of his kids.
TOPIC OF FORCING YOUR WIFE
Forcing your wife is against the law. And the bible does not teach it anywhere.
Having power over your own body implies the wife is a believer. But, if she believes not, then she is not in bondage in such circumstances. She has done the wrong thing. But the bible does not give the man power to force her if she does not believe.
She is still your wife, but she is not in bondage. She has done the wrong thing, but you cannot bring the bondage of forcing her in such circumstances.
TOPIC OF WIFE BEATING
I think that the bible is not teaching you can beat your wife. It's not teaching you can rape your wife. The bible teaches to use the Rod for correction. It does not teach you as a parent can use any other man-made object on your own children.
The bible uses the term the rod literally. I think Pastor Anderson is in error for thinking the bible gives the husband the power to beat your wife; it does not. This is the verse he is in error on:
Heb:12:6: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
This is typically punishment you would get from authority. And authority can be people of God. E.g whipping from government, magistrates or rulers. Not husband to wife.
Scourging in the verse is also figurative. So he is just saying the same thing twice. Scourge is figurative for chasten. And this is why it says every son. The only way it makes sense is that it is figurative also.
One of the qualifications for a pastor is being blameless. And beating your wife is against the law of man, and the gospel does not give the husband this power. And romans 13 comes into play. And, therefore he is not blameless, if the allegations are true.
OTHER VERSES FOR AN INTELLECTUAL DEFENSE
M't:12:50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Col:4:12: Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
De:28:1: And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
Ro:13:3: For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Eph:6:1: Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
(Who are your parents? See above)
Ec:10:1: Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.
Psalms:49:20: Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.
WEIGHING THE EVIDENCE
I think that the evidence presented by PA's sermons, and his children out weighs: the PA's claim that it's a lie. Therefore, my judgement is that he is disqualified.
He can still do other things like soul winning if he has the spirit. But cannot serve as a pastor again according to the bible.
I have a lot to thank Pastor Anderson for. I would not be saved now if I didn't listen to his sermons and teachings along the way. And after Pastor Anderson according to knowledge, there’s a real big drop off. But the truth is what it is.
I hope he does not pervert his way from this point, and does that which is right, returns to fellowship and friendship with those that have separated themselves.
Ok off topic but... I thought my tinitus was super bad today until I paused the video😂
@jhildebrand7447 haha. Really? Not sure what it was.
I was using my cellphone. No mic.
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 ya it makes a tiny high pitched eeeeeeeee
Thanks so much for your video. I was in FWBC for years. My husband made us leave because he thought Pastor Anderson was very angry. Too angry. And anger is something we fight against in our own hearts. It wasn't a good match for us.
Well, these “allegations” seem incredibly mild. The man uses words like “crap” and “pissed” (words you yourself repeated in this video), and sometimes gets angry when kicking someone out of a church.
Kind of seems like we’re making a mountain out of a molehill, here. As for the criticisms from his children, that’s a whole different story.
@unclerhombus the point is to start at the root of the problem. Even if the children were to be lying, there is already enough evidence that says he is not ruling his house well, he is soon angry and lacks temperance, and is self-willed. (Some of the "red flags"
@unclerhombus also, the words aren't inherently evil, they just show lack of discernment (in my opinion) to use them in the way he does... especially as a pastor... especially from the pulpit.
The fact that he demanded death for gay people wasnt a red flag, but language was?
This is twisted
@ehenningsen that's a fair judgment. I'll try to explain:
It was indeed a red flag the way he talked about that subject (or the spirit in which he talked about it). But, as I explained in one of the videos, it is sort of so shocking to hear that you want to hear more (like a guilty pleasure, like watching a train wreck). But then, if you are a Bible believer, you can check up on his claims and begin to see where he is coming from. After dismissing his attitude (not saying one should), you are left to hash out your feeling about the passages in the Bible. When it comes to the judicial punishment on homosexuality, it is indeed in the Bible. So, you are forced to say, "God is evil," or you just say, "I can't understand this, but maybe it is just me."
@ehenningsen again, with the language, I'm just expressing that there was a spirit (or attitude) in which he delivered his messages that was very different than what I had experienced from any preacher before . And yes, his choice of words was what stood out.
@@iolabaptisttemple7306 Ah. The point got muddled up in the message. Thank you for clearing this up.
We should all be soldiers for each other, regardless of belief.
You lost all credibility when you brought up the cussing thing it shows me that you just care about appearances and what people think instead of the reality of things
@Addie-j6f we are judged as Christians on our appearance, are we not? We are supposed to stay away from all "appearance of evil" are we not? We are told to control our tongues, and if we can control our tongues we can continue the whole body.
I'm not saying I have complete control of mine, but it is something Christians should shoot for. And pastors are to lead the way.
Steven Anderson told his cult followers in a sermon to dismiss the evidence of his own son Isaac who has reported years of physical and emotional abuse perpetrated against him by his mother and father. On what grounds are we to dismiss Isaac's testimony according to Steven? Based on his long-haired appearance. Yet here you are with this head gaming garbage. Get thee hence.
Humm. Not getting enough attention at home? Shame on you Pastor Anderson is a true man of God.
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@@listenup872 wow
Your comment is aging like milk homie
You very well may find a milestone waiting for you in the hereafter instead of the pearly gates. There are now four children - all the eldest - who have reported extreme physical and emotional abuse from both Steven and Szu Anderson. I suggest you listen to Miriam Anderson's testimony and apologize to her for your great evil. Repent to God in any case.
@@andrewloza Nice to see you here Andrew. I don't think you've taken a break. I commented on your old videos about four years ago - you were a regular on Dirty Donnie and Judgment/Trashcan channels. But often butted heads on theological and moral grounds. You've always taken the high road - and for that I admire you. I'm sorry about the copyright strike from the PBP channel. Weird. I saw your comment asking if you could mirror the video - no response but a thumbs up. I would have thought sharing John's testimony took priority over all else. But the fella's no friend of Christ. He confused religion with Jesus Christ - and left both. So don't be too deflated. Just behave in the future. You're voice is needed.
This is falling on deaf ears! People in the NIFB are full of koolaid and don’t care what he does.
@@Mattracine_1611 it's not for those who won't listen.
@@Mattracine_1611 He that hath an ear...
There was a time when your ears were plugged too, many are listening, more than those speaking,, many are afraid, give it time.
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