Should Ireland have beaten England? | Whistle Watch
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2024
- After two big upsets in the Six Nations, Whistle Watch is back for the penultimate time Nigel Owens to give his opinion on all the big talking points.
Nigel discusses Italy's first win at home in the tournament a decade as they beat Scotland, England's dramatic victory over Ireland and France's strong finish against Wales. He also discusses the importance of rugby values in the game and how a ref can deal with them, as well as answering all your Emirates Fan Questions.
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Eng fan here. A look at Genge's clear out in first half!
You didn't talk about Ellis Genge clear out on Furlong. Clearly head contact.
NO!!!!! 😅 We should not have won! England were the better team on the day and should have won by more if anything. No shame in losing to a pumped up English team at home with some decent quality in their side. We've just got to dust ourselves down, learn and be better going forward.
If the refs see everything the game would hardly be worth watching. They are human.
Well said, as a fellow Irishman I have to agree the better team won on the day in spite of any wrong decisions that might have been made against either team. England were fantastic on the day, the best I've seen them play in the last 5 years by some distance. I wouldn't be too harsh on the Irish team either because despite being dominated for start to finish they somehow managed to keep themselves in the match and almost pulled off a victory that wasn't really deserved. Congratulations to England on a wonderful performance and also to the green machine for staying in the fight when most other teams would have been blown away.
@@fmully1429 He edited his reply. It was not that well said.
I think it was quite a nice feeling seeing them celebrate like they’d beaten the All Blacks. We’ve come a long way from Will Greenwood scoring in the corner to make the conversion harder for Wilkinson.
But you should have won cause it wasn't a try. That's a FACT 😂
As I have said on other forums, I spoke to my brother after the game and we agreed that if we had lost but played that level of rugby that would have been satisfactory, the win , deserved or not was a bonus
No mention of the Genge clearout on Furlong? Minimum a sin bin, but is absolutely a red card.
Would love to see another angle on that because what I saw looked bad but what still actually inconclusive about where the contact was made - was it actually shoulder contact?
He didn't make any attempt to wrap so yes it was shoulder, Furlong doesn't go down easily.
@@michaelcasey6546 Ah I see your point. I meant the point of contact. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned too, and also shown from other angles. But that's rugby sometimes.
As an Ireland, and more importantly Munster fan, no complaints whatsoever; Peter knew what he was doing.
It begs the question if there should be further sanction such as a one game ban for such blatancy
@@fasteddie8980 Don't push your luck, mate xD
@@fasteddie8980 It does not beg that question whatsoever. Wtf are you on about? He hasn't hurt anyone 🤣
@@fasteddie8980gway ya clown
@@fasteddie8980 For going off feet? Would you give over lmao
Clear, calm, concise and correct.
It's a funny one; he was clearly in touch and that should have been called. That said, and I never thought I'd be saying this as an Irish supporter, England did deserve the win... 😮
Officials can only call what they see. We all know that dozens of infringements go unnoticed in every game.
If you go back through enough phases NO scores would ever stand. That's why there's a limit.
This was outside the limit.
Simples.
As a french man that lived the past 6 years in Ireland, that hurts to read that... I wouldn't say I agree, but the Irish were definitely below their level on this game, there's been too much approximations... You'll still get the (well deserved) win though !
I think Lowe had a similar moment against England last year. It happens.
And on the 2nd part, couldnt agree more. And I'm so proud of how many fellow irishmen have given England their due on their win. Better team won. And they beat us by playing rugby. As Farrell said, we try to be gracious in victory. Let's be gracious in defeat as well.
@@cheesecake6696 the Lowe try was against France ;-) I remember it too well 😀
@@lysamerekvart9471 it was is right. 👍
The 2 phase TMO rule didn't apply in the WC final, he went back 4 phases to disallow the NZ try, if rules were consistently app.ied the NZ would be WC champs.
NZ scored a try in almost the exact same spot like a minute later from the penalty they got when the try was disallowed so how exactly are you asserting they would have won? Do you think they would have scored a second try because of vibes?
They aren't. If SA try wasn't disallowed... but it was.
NZ won the cup for best whingers! - with England close second!
@@vintom7457 also the TMO actually did follow protocol. Many people think that a tackle automatically is a new phase but this isn’t correct. Having looked into the laws, a phase re-starts only when a ruck is formed. A ruck needs a player from BOTH teams on their feet over the tackle. A tackle where the attacking team has a player over the ball on their feet does re-set the offside line but it isn’t actually considered a phase under the laws.
Having rewatched that period of play, there were 4 tackles but only 2 where SA had players on their feet which could be classed as a ruck. The try was scored on the 3rd phase and the knock occurred on the 1st phase so they were technically still within the protocol going back 2 phases.
Having said that, Barnes did say himself that he would rather that the correct call be made for something so obvious (referring to the knock on) in a final so don’t think him or TMO thought about tackle vs ruck anyway. And regardless, NZ scored a try like 2 minutes later in almost the same spot - Smith disallowed try scored 5m from touchline, Barret scored about 2-3m from touch line. Ultimately the disallowed try didn’t impact the game much anyway as both conversion kicks would have been difficult anyway and no guarantee Moanga kicks it.
So to summarise, TMO call was actually within the protocol, correct decision was made on a blatant knock on and NZ scored soon after anyway in a similar position. There was also still over 20min left in the game and NZ got another kick at poles which they also missed. So any complaint by a NZ fan is completely one-eyed.
@@notenoughstones3873 who knows, Wales just scored 2 trys in the last 2 minutes, anything is possible when a team has momentum.
@@geoffnelson6756 I’m confused, wouldn’t New Zealand have the momentum after they scored their try 2 min later? Yet they still weren’t able to score again in the remaining 20 min.
Also the logic of “what ifs” you have used seems to contradict the certainty you used earlier in that NZ would have won the WC were it not for the disallowed try.
The only impact the disallowed try had was to slightly delay a try being scored by a couple of minutes. Hardly a game changing decision.
Nigel, do you know how many Italy will beat Wales by this weekend?
So the All Black's disallowed try in the world cup final should have stood since that was four phases?
Must be bias against the ABs.
World rugby apologised to NZR but typical saffas “were the greatest team in the world” and love to disregard the facts
@@IIIIIlIIl World Cup champions and champions of having the most insufferable fans...
Yup!
@IIIIIlIIl 35 - 7 in the warmups... I think it's clear the better team won.
In 2020, Aurélie Groizeleau refereed the France England test in Grenoble (14.11.2020) after Joy Neville picked up an injury. Both teams had become/had been offered full-time professional contracts in 2019, beginning the women's professional era, (maybe)!
Txs Nigel! its a pleasure learning and understanding rugby with you being now a more technical sport. Appreciate your lessons, saludos desde Argentina
Always great to hear Nigel's take on these situations - he brings such such credibility !
Hi Nigel, thanks for an informative pod. Following up on the young lads question, what would the result be if a team, as Ireland were, is winning by one point in the last few minutes if the match and they deliberately get players sent off so they have less than 13 players and the match has to be abandoned?
Well played England from an Irish fan!!! If we want to win the game we need to take it out of the officials hands
Game time, 58:46. The tackled English player loses control of the ball. The Laws oblige him to regain his feet before he again plays the ball. He is "out of the game" until he has regained his feet. However, while still out of the game, he recovers the ball and flicks it up to a team-mate. Result, English try. I'm afraid the Ref isn't fully conversant with the Laws of Rugby Union. The same criticism would apply to the AR and the TMO. How did they all miss this?
The little brown envelopes dictate what the see and don't see.
This is just silly, though I would accept that it was an offence and should have been penalised. It's silly because when you look back at this or any game with a fine toothcomb you'd spot many missed offences. Like when the ref missed both Bundee Aki's hands planted firmly on the deck (at 33:25) in his jackal which gave Ireland a penalty to take the lead 8 - 9.
@@JohnSmith-wo2fz People like you destroy the game.
Not so as the ball doesn't touch the ground 😎🤫
@@speak_your_truth. Take another look. Take a few. The ball had hit the ground. He had lost control. The TMO was asleep at the wheel.
Same reason the ABs try was incorrectly overruled…that was in a WC final so slightly more important error. Move on.
That was five phases, but I'm not bitter..............
@@joedennehy386 I haven’t got over 2017 yet!
Still doesn’t change result though does it?
The wc final at least they later gifted a try that had a knock and forward pass in the build up, to the ABs, so net net no score line impact whatsoever.
@@bryanantolik9900 no knock on and no forward pass. You must be biased…
@@ObiePaddles just wanted to mention that.
2:32 isn't that why we have TMO's ??? You say it was 3 phases and the law says 2, but wasn't robbie Henshaws try against wales 3 phases, andwas disallowed? Ut seens some random laws only apply to Ireland and then they never happen again. The law on the 2 phase play TMO check needs to be replased
Also what about the head contact to Tadgh Furlong? That should have been red. The officials got it wrong in this gane like most other game in this years 6 Nations. The officiating has been very poor.
Since gold watch Bevan performance in 95 SF with no consequence I have the same consideration for rugby that I have for US wrestling shows. Great show with tremendous athletes and results fixed by referees according to external factors.
so glad someone asked about him singing the the welsh anthem as a ref!!!
Keep up the good work! Love what you are doing
A Triva Question for Nigel : Your Celtic League debut was on 30 August 2002, refereeing Border Reivers and Connacht, your international debut was the first test of the Irish tour of Japan on 12 June 2005, What two players played in both games?
Thanks Nigel for your learned interpretation of the rules in real situations we've all seen. An informed fan can enjoy the game played in heaven but refereed by mere mortals and supported by passionate sinners so much more!
Whilst a 'Bok supporter, I grew up in the rugby era of Phil Bennett, Barry John, JJ Williams, triple grand slam legends Gareth Edwards & JPR Williams (RIP, commiserations Wales for the recent loss in Jan) and have always admired Welsh supporters, who are constantly there for the good of the game no matter the team's fortunes at the time, which, as for all national teams, ebb and flow. I look forward to hearing many more mass renditions of Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau, which I understand has its 1856 origins in your very own Pontypridd, mentioned in your reply to fan question #3 @7:54! BTW I'm sure the local lads were glad you could step in rather than be attended to by the undertaker!
Miss you on the pitch Nigel Owens - always such a calming presence and with a sense of humour added in.
Hi Nigel,
Huge fan of yours, you are a fantastic ref!
Thanks for this channel it really contributes to helping fans understand the difficulties and nuances of refereeing rugby (let alone top flight) which is very much needed in the present day and age when we are seeing an increasing amount of vitriol aimed at referees despite all the hard work they do.
Would you consider going into teaching for aspiring referees as I think you could bring so much to the younger generation?
Again many thanks for your channel and contribution to this great game over the years!
At least there was replays for a foot in touch, if that was French tv we would never have seen it again.
I think Ireland win even when they lose because theyre still a part of a cracking game of rugby and give good spectacle for old and new fans alike. Long may they play their attacking style of rugby.
Absolutely
As an England fan I agree with that.
Most of us would have been happy to lose this game as it was a cracker - our gripe with England has been its lack of good rugby rather than the win/loss ratio.
Ireland are lovely to watch and the England reaction to winning is the biggest complement really to the Irish lads!
Oh, I thought Freeman was deemed to have released before going into touch, didn't realise it was a 'protocol' thing 😮
Suppose it happens, and we've all been on the end of it - fair play to the humility of the Irish fans here, proper rugby values as Nigel was talking about 👍🏼
Ye its weird to say
TMO can't address that massive grand slam defining error, because protocol so all good
And not point out, the try shouldn't have happened. Protocol is fine, assistant ref fucked it. Ireland grand slam.
@@howzitson ah you never know what would've happened. The joy of sport 🙂
Good episode, good explanations. Just love those cows. Real characters.
In the World Cup it was like phases you could go back?
2 phases only in the RWC. The TMO in the final broke protocol for the NZ try
@@GBH001 kinda crazy how that could happen in a World Cup Final.
@@GBH001 Incorrect. Only two phases occurred. A phase requires at least one player from both sides of the team standing on their feet contesting the ball at the ruck, only two rucks met this threshold in the lead up to the try. Therefore, only two phases occurred and the TMO was within his power to go back.
@@jacquescoetzee47 I’m afraid you’re incorrect. It happened 4 phases prior. Therefore try should have stood
@@willyjohnson444 No, look up the definition of a phase. It begins (and ends) when a ruck is formed, a ruck requires at least one player from both teams to be on their feet contesting the ball. Only two of the breakdowns met that threshold: the tackle on Savea and the tackle on Retallick. The other two didn’t have any South African players contesting on their feet, ergo only two phases occurred.
But please consider a set amount of phases when advantage called in opposition 22!!! Big hate of mine
It can't really be based on phases because it's a tactical advantage at that point. It becomes the responsibility of the attacking team to use that and a tactical advantage can only expire when they are in a substantially better position. That's why lots of advantage in the 22 doesn't end, it's because its a lot harder to reach a better position without scoring a try. It's flawed, but it means that there ends up being a larger safety net to fall back on while attacking.
You missed the Genge clean out on Tadhg Furlong too 😂
Or the Furlong dive? Got to be the worst dive in rugby history hasn't it?
You mean where he did a theatrical dive? It's pathetic that that is creeping into the sport.
We none of us know exactly what happened because we didn't see any other clip than the one doing the rounds. And you should know by now they never cover anything controversial on this slot.
There's a clip clearly showing shoulder contact to head at force. Furlong is static in a ruck guarding position, Genge charges, drops shoulder which contacts Furlongs head. Red card all day.
If Genge made dangerous contact to the head, as he clearly did, does Furlongs reaction to it factor into a ruling.......should Furlong be lying prone in a neck brace before decision made......you see where I'm going with this 😅
It has already been cleared by the TMO and it looks like it was a dive.
Tadgh Furlong head contact?
Everyone seems to have skipped over this
Nah good reaction worthy of an Oscar. That he got straight up shows it was nothing bit embarrassing really
@@nickg8571 You clearly haven't watched the slow mo clear head contact
Love those Herefords.....
Beautiful. And even more so here in South Africa! 😆
They probably speak better English, as well.
Love those Herefords... what?
@@RUBBER_BULLET You are clearly unaware that the steak you had last night was of Hereford origin. Trust me, steak does NOT grow on trees!
@@wouterswanepoel5753 You are clearly unaware of the point that I made.
No complaints about England winning of Peters yellow. But how on earth was the Genge incident not looked at by the TMO.
Convenient for Nigel not to look at it so e doesn't have to go tooo hard on the ref's.
The TMO did look at it, so 🤷♂️
And he wasn’t cited so presumably the Irish management have deemed it not an issue
This weekend is why the Six Nations is soooooo good....... it is always worth watch as anything can happen.
Especially with Italy playing well now!
If its 2 phases why did they then wait almost 3 minutes to decide that the Italian knocked the ball on? And that time was lost?
Ask Uncle Bill?
The time is not lost. The clock is stopped.
🪵🥄
They were deciding whether there was a clear try chance on the outside
I'm not taking about them debating I'm talking that it happened on the 74th minute and they didn't still the clock till the 77th minute and award the penalty
Great little vid
England had a game plan and Ireland didn't. Also we had no counter to England's leftwing attack. They played the same in the second half as the first so no decision was made at halftime about how to deal with England's left wing attack. Finally four minutes to go and Ireland are two points ahead. We kicked the ball into touch giving England the attacking position and a drop goal. Instead of keeping possession and going up the centre to burn up time, possibly even force a penalty against England or go for a drop goal to put it out of England reach and victory.
Should Ireland have won= Yes.
Did we deserve to win = No
Because we didn't approach the game with a plan, a counter plan ,or, a world class thinking to finish on top.
Ireland had a game plan don't be a fool 😂🤫
@@speak_your_truth. That's why they won is it? The proof is in the pudding. They lost!
Yep.... That's about it....
What about expanding out to the super rugby, new rules being trialed and the late hit on Tom Lynagh Nigel. Those trial laws in super rugby will be coming your way. Certainly seems to be opening up the game from kick tennis. Would be good to hear your opinion.
In Eng/Ire match does the TMO not see the player has a foot in touch - they have lots of screens and playbacks to see - surely we want the correct decisions made
Did you not listen? The TMO can only go bacl two phases.
TMO can alert the ref to foul or dangerous play at any time after the incident but not for technical offences.
@@ellentronicmistress4969 I was not referring to the last 2 phases - it was more to do with alerting the referee there and then to the issue but now I see that the TMO doesn't have that role - BTW you need to tone it down - yes I saw the video
@@alancoleman6983 You misread my tone apparantly.
I wish other TMO's would apply the two phase law. Cost the Hurricanes a home semi in 2021
Huw jones would have been in for the try if he got the ball .
How can you say no clear line break from Huw Jones? His momentum is going one way and defenders weight is going the other direction
Isn’t the 2 phases only a guideline, not an actual rule saying you CANT go back further? I believe 2 phases are only mentioned as a guideline, which would mean they can go back further if they wanted to?
TMO have often come in after more than 2 phases though?!
Only for foul play. That trumps everything.
Whats the point in the TMO reviews if ultimately the wrong decision was made? Either you give the referees on the field full control and accept the errors that come with it, or you get the calls right 100% of the time. Not a fair contest if you can only go back 2 phases.
i mean if it was f1 players would do something then pass the ball 3 time and score a try
Yes lets keep stopping the game. The refs don't see everything, get over it.
@@dulls8475there's missing some things and then there's missing one big thing that leads to a try
are you suggesting that every time a try is scored, that the TMOs review every aspect of play back to the previous set piece? ... the 2 phase rule is to make sure that the game is not 4h long, with 70% of the time spent looking at replays... bring AI in in future, and I agree with you, although hopefully then it could be done in realtime (although it will be a while before that tech trickles down to community level!).
How far should we go back when a try is scored? 10 phases? Twenty minutes? How about cjecking every single frame from the start of the game?
Qualification of the jurisidiction in the final point: "The game will not take place if less than 12 players from one side take the field, UNLESS one of them is Eben Etzebeth, who counts for 3."
What about the head contact on T Furlong, a certain red card that was missed
I love this Whistle Watch thing honestly
What about if a team gets reduced down to 12 men (say a red and 2 yellows), but doesn't have them men to contest a scrum? Is it in the referee's good-sense to let play go on, or does he have to take an extra man out and call the game there?
In NZ, all deliberate knock ons are given a yellow card.. We need consistency in rugby
How was Taofifenua onside? If he's entirely level with the last of his teammates in the ruck, he can't be clearly behind the back foot!
You can only go back 2 phases unless it's the World Cup final and it's NZ that score a try, then you can go back.
Unbelievable my 🏴. Go back 12 months, to think 🏴 would go on to a World Cup semi final and then stop 🇮🇪 from a Grand Slam? I'd have laughed.
Great match. Great game 🏉.
They haven’t stopped Ireland winning the grand slam. Was a great game tho. Although if ur honest with urself England had the easiest WC imaginable 😂
@@SparkWahso what's a Grand Slam and who did SA play to reach the final in 2019, the same SA that failed to score a single try in the quarter, semi and final of 2023 but nothing to see here.
Yes England played better but you have a foot in touch should the tmo not have seen that there and then also funny how the tmo didn't notice the takle on Furlong ether. Game changers I would say.
Here we go, game over end of
I'm glad there are cows in the background to take my mind of this complicatedness
Oh here we go 😂👍🏻
As a neutral for 40 years of watching the greatest sport in the world without understanding everything...I thought the past two weekends have been officiated perfectly. I think the northern hemisphere makes a lot of sense while I see the southern hemisphere dictating the game like mental psychopaths !
Calm down bro that doesn’t sound to neutral at all. Sucks that the southern hemisphere still dominate.😢
Irishman here, in the end of the day it's the score at full time that counts - ask the Scots and Italians.
Officials can't see everything all the time.
Would have loved consecutive Grand Slams, but in the long run I think England did us a favour - we were getting too comfortable.
Nigel 2 questions 1 how do i get in touch for emarites fan questions and 2nd question is would you rather referee the rudest rugby player or a player who was telling your how to do your job
Clue !! He is from SA😎
@@dazfromnz01 who is from SA
Checked the laws and cannot find any reference to ‘diving off feet’ in relation to the ruck or anything else … I do wish Nigel would actually explain the law as it is written …
Probably could refer to the fact that he played the 9 then
Hey lad, it's law 15(12) and(16) also relevant. But ye you can't dove through a ruck to tackle a 9 you have to stay on your feet
@@jeffrey89095 … as I said ‘diving off feet’ is in neither section you quote … and wasn’t the ruck over as the ball had been picked up by the 9?
@@jamesgalloway8835 you have to stay on your feet coming through a ruck under law 15. He did not stay on his feet coming through the ruck he dived through it. Even if the ruck is now over he's still come through it initially off his feet.
@@jamesgalloway8835From my understanding, O'Mahoney is bound to the ruck, so the laws of the ruck still apply to him. He needs to either stay on his feet or roll out of the ruck and get back behind the back foot to be legal.
Italian rugby has really come on in the past few years
Only back 2 phases, dont tell the All Blacks.
well done to England, they played a blinder. A question the GibsonPark 'knock on', was the ball not ripped by Itoje and thus not a knock on?
Agreed it was.
Fair play, England were rampaging for the entire match, credit to them. They'd pegged this game from the beginning, I think. Still, despite it all, if Murray hadn't box kicked with 2 minutes remaining, and the forwards had crashed the ball for three or 4 more phases, Ireland comes out of Twickenham with the Scots between them and back-to-back Grand Slams.
What about Marler in an offside position, holding back two Irish players for England's third try. 🤔
Typical pommie cheaters and always get away with murder every game 😮
Must admit that one jumped out of the screen.
@@knoll9812 I think it's as clear as day, but I have seen anybody mention it anywhere. I have paused the video, and you can clearly see Marler with his two arms around the two Irish players. Furlong does try to gesture to the Ref, but the play moves on, and the try follows.
So that is settled then!
Should the referee and ARs for the final 6 Nations games not be from neutral unions that are not in contention for the chqmpionship? Was this not decided by WR following the controversial Romanian referee's perfomance in the Spain and Belgium RWC qualifier game where Romania needed Spain to lose to advance to the RWC. Did you Nigel not replace Marius van der Westhuizen as an AR for the 2018 6 Nations gqme between Ireland and England because he had attended an England training session. The question then is why does Ireland have Matthew Carley (Eng) as referee and Karl Dickson (Eng) and Christophe Ridley (Eng) as ARs when England are in contention to win the championship and require Ireland to lose? Should they not have been replaced?
Of course referees should be neutral. Was the same in the World Cup. There should not have been a kiwi reffing SA v ENG when NZ would have preferred to face ENG. On Saturday an ENG refereeing team could help EnG by favouring SCO.
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 What do you mean could? The game was two days ago. Did the English officials team influence the game? Going by the vast comments on social media (from both SH and NH fans), yes the English officials team did influence the game and made sone very strange calls. Most about KD forcing his opinions onto MC. Also, the commentator from the Six Nations highlights package noted the Triple Crown was the only trophy on display at the start of the game. The Six Nations Championship was also on offer and that trophy should also have been displayed at the start of the game if WR and Six Nations LTD want to put an end to conspiracy theories been generated. I agree with you that a NZ ref should not have been in charge of the SA England RWC semi final, especially as NZ were in the other semi final and had booked their place in to the final a day previous. It goes towards the integrity of the game
On the foot in touch issue; Isn't it the job of the TMO to call the referee's attention to the matter? Because if it's not, then that leaves every game open to corruption and every decision open to whether or not the referee can be bothered
Every team has been on the right side of an error. There was still plenty of time left in the game. England could have still scored, as could Ireland in that different reality.
Exactly. Rugby fans on here talking as stupidly as football fans often do.
Deliberate knock on in the 1st quarter by England.
Cheering & clapping when opps make a mistake.. I clearly have no rugga values😂
Ben O’Keefe reffed NZ vs Aussie during the covid times so sorry to say Nige your not the only Ref to do so in the pro error.
So is the rule that referral cannot be for an action over 2 phases previous or is it that review cannot be for something (other than foul play) thst happened more than 2 phases before.
Actually you're not the only ref in the professional era to ref his own team. Due to covid restrictions Ben O'Keeffe reffed NZ vs Australia, Nic Berry reffed the rematch, Angus Gardner reffed Aus vs Argentina with various Aussies and Kiwis filling assistant and TMO roles throughout the tournament.
As a Irish man I've no complaints about the loss. England best team on the day 👍👍 but as a rugby fan I'm very disappointed in so many Decisions like this one been missed regularly the last 2 seasons in particular in all games.. 😮 one of the things that keeps rugby above football and other sports has always been the respect of refs and good Refs. Im afraid I've seen a big decline in them over last 4 year's . In particular what happened to Italy this year in last minute when the French run out at the pen kick twice 😢
Some healthy looking prop forwards behind you there Nigel 😂😂😂🇨🇮
Why are TMO's there is they cant bring something to the ref , 2 phases or 12 why cant he be like "gwan have a look at this" while he takes the kick"
Hi Nigel ! Big fan of yours and glad you took on dairy farming as a new career. On that matter, what is your favourite cheese?
Im okay with the rules that the tmo can inly go 3 phases back. But! Why was it possible then on the Final?
Did you use that tractor in the protests ;) ? As an ex referee I sure am glad to not be reffing today. Tough job.
Ref had a bad game in Twickers as did the off pitch referee but overall it was a great game
It's done we lost crack on with winning the 6 n on paddy's day by beating the spring jocks... No connor Murray though bad decision
Eh, you have as many Kiwis in your starting team as Scotland have South Africans 😂
@@robbiereekie3694 🤣
A bad day at the office but still win the tournament
Well done Nige, another well reasoned and I personally thank you for continuing my education, never too late to learn. We miss you, still imho, the world’s best referee.
Yes We Should Have WTF Was Murray Thinking Giving Away The Ball 🏈 🤔
Exactly what I was thinking, 2 mins to go and he kicks the ball to the Brits , I was wondering if I was crazy or I missed something , as how would someone do something so stupid 🤔
@@richjohn9356 definitely not Crazy that cost us the match and back to back grand slams still can't understand way Murray would kick the ball to England when there was only 2 mins to go and we where winning 😡🤔🏈🇮🇪
Danny Care also did a dumb kick giving Ireland possession a few minutes before the end when England were in good territory. What-ifery is pretty lame, would be good if people could just accept mistakes of players as part of the loss.
Yes, thought we had won when he did that !@@rupey4582
We were close to our posts and I guess in he didn't want to risk us giving away a penalty or knocking on and giving England a scrum.
Nigel getting out of his helicopter at the beginning
My pony exactly … if only we had the best referee in the world to explain it all …
Not sure if this will get back to Nigel, but here goes. I made comment on another page. Now apparently it was liked by someone saying they were Nigel. Naive I know but I messaged back. Saying thanks for liking etc. next thing I know I’m being asked for $50 anyhow just thought I’d share.
Given the proximity to the line, despite the refs view being obstructed there was such an obviously high chance that he was in touch I thought it was WILD that the side-line ref didn't just say "I think we should check for a player in touch". HOWEVER if Ireland (I'm Irish) had won that would have been.... against the run of the game.. England should have won by a lot more, very unlucky on the knock on try and those missed 9 points from kicks. Ireland were lethal in attack, scoring 22 points having only had the ball for what, five minutes? 😂 But England were 100% the better team, just typical they chose the game against Ireland to finally play a decent game of rugby 😭😂
Even as an irishman english deserved that win scoreline flattered us tbf but if we played england again im sure we would win
As an Irish supporter, I don't have any problem with the officials in the game. Something is always going to be missed in games. The truth is that Ireland didn't play their best game, and England did. Shows the respect for Nigel in the game that he was trusted to referee both his local club and his national team. 👏
Inside the 22 and the ball is deliberately knocked-on to disrupt attack. 95% of these are Yellows. I heard refs explanation, backed-up by Nigel and am very surprised. What message does that give to teams? Give away the pen and as long as numbers are even you have stopped the chance of a try being scored against a scrambling defence. Seems like a chance I would take as a player if I knew I wasn't going to the bin for 10 minutes. Not sure it would have changed the result, but the messaging going forward is poor.
It was a clear line break….. watch it at full speed
If the ball was in touch or not we lost that game against England and they deserved to win
Luck of the irish.
A forward pass by new zealand in the WC.
Now this
Could have been a double GS and WC champs.
What happened to "own feet" in the scrum nowadays
No try was the correct decision. The video clips show the hand on the ball pressing on to the England player but not on the ground then the ball probably touching the ground but no view of any contact with the French hand hence there was no way a try could be given as there was no proof that the ball was still in the control of the French player when it was grounded.
Irish not French. Doh!