8 Disputed Species of Parrot from the Caribbean - Hypothetical Species
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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In this video we're looking at eight disputed hypothetical parrot species from the islands of the Caribbean.
1. The Lesser Antillean Macaw
2. The Dominican Green-and-Yellow Macaw
3. The Guadeloupe Amazon
4. The Guadeloupe Parakeet
5. The Martinique Amazon
6. The Martinique Macaw
7. The Jamaican Red Macaw
8. The Red-Headed Macaw
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Fascinating! As an owner of a blue and gold macaw, I can confirm that their calls are "disagreeable and harsh" 😂
I think we've lost more animals than we know from our own mistakes.
I love Parrots of the Caribbean!
The third ones the best.
especially Jack Macaw, he's the best!
I was literally researching this yesterday. What are the odds!
Crazy!
I walked past a classroom at school and saw them watching this video!
Crazy!! What country are you in?
@@all.about.nature1987 I’m in Hong Kong (China)!
@@ZhouYanyi wow. Who knew that my videos would be used in classrooms!
@@all.about.nature1987 I have no idea! But I think it was “free time day” so they watched some videos that can learn things and have fun at the same time (it means that the students go to school but they don’t learn math or English
or any lessons, they just stay in the classroom and have fun that day.)
@@all.about.nature1987Would do the same if I was a teacher
Ahh, I love parrots! I have my own and she’s a very sweet bird. Having parrots over the years makes me wonder what other species not in captivity are like, especially those lost, extinct, or hypothetical. This was exactly what I needed to pique my curiosity
I wonder what the Broad Billed Parrot was like, a flightless extinct Parrot from Mauritius. I think we don't even know what Color they had. Maybe something dark because they were also called Indian Ravens
What kind of parrot you have?
@@stef7930 She’s a cockatiel, she’s so clingy and sweet
Been investigating this topic for quite a time by pure curiosity, and anything's possible; some could be real, some could have been escapees and others could be misconceptions; we don't know the true answer, but there's a large possibility all of these were real and sadly went extinct
Perhaps they had seen hybrid birds... considering so many macaws and amazons can crossbreed... just a thought
Stop being a naysayers.
Pessimism =/= Science.
Also the Birds-of-Paradise of New Guinea were also thought to have hybridize, making extremely beautiful specimen. There's an entire page on wikipedia just about them.
That is what I am thinking also. If the birds were traded around the islands and culturally important than crossbreeds were likely to happen at some point.
That was my first thought too, or relatively-harmless mutations of some kind. Think about how many colors of parakeets there are (yes, most of those are through breeding, but mutations happen too which provide variation, such as the missing yellow gene that produces blue parakeets). It's easy to imagine that explorers centuries ago would have considered them different.
Amazons and macaws cannot naturally crossbreed it only happened a single time and the person was TRYING to make one as far as we know it doesnt happen in the wild
Considering how many species, both extinct and living, that we are still discovering today, it would not surprise me if all existed. Also, due to convergent evolution, two animals that look the same might not be the same species. The most amazing example of this is the recent discovery that there are two anaconda species that we can’t tell apart. 😂 The two species have a dna variation of something like 5%, which is huge- they probably can’t interbreed.
I’d like you to do a video on comparing convergent evolution species, maybe how we thought certain animals were closely related, but they aren’t (dna testing often being the reason for discovering we were wrong), and the history of how we understood specific convergent evolution species. Or just a more in depth discussion on the 2 anaconda species than what Dav Kaufman and Green Tree Pythons gave on their channels.
You have the perfect documentary voice
You're too kind
could some of them be hybrids?
Mabey who knows
Some maybe ,those who are called to be plentiful would be unlikely tho.
Also some wouldn't fit the description of any species enough to be an hybrid.
Yes and no. As the other commenter said alot of these descriptions do not match with any known hybrids like the Dominique macaw
Please make another video of all the parrots species still alive in the caribbean islands.
Great suggestion!
For every remarkable, colorful, big species which went extinct there have to be many more small ones which went extinct without anyone even noticing they existed. :(
That is so true. Who back then kept track of things like moths and grasshoppers?
Loved this video, finally someone talking about these mysterious birds in a well detailed way. I hope to see more videos about hypothetical animals, they're very interesting.
This is awesome, mainly because I love and obsess over parrots
Another excellent video. Thank You!
Great video! It is hard to find information on this stuff. I hope you make more like it.
I would say yes, that most of these West Indies parrots are valid, if you compare them to the parrots of the islands in the East Indies. It would be odd for the islands of the West indies, not to have an endemic parrots.
Good analogy. Especially when we are aware that in both archipelagoes, species from different islands can look similar to each other. When we think of the extant bullfinches -- Greater Antillean, Lesser Antillean, and St. Lucia Black -- if two of them were extinct and all we had were descriptions, they would be disputed in the same way.
As soon as Cuban macaw (Ara tricolor) and Puerto Rican/St. Croix macaw (Ara autocthones) existed, there is no reason that other big parrots were absent from other Antillean islands.
Love your videos 📹
This is an amazing video, thankyou so much for making it
I know that in my 'Robertverse' (which acts as a bit of an alternate timeline), many lost, critically endangered & extinct animals exist on remote, nondisclosed islands (some sounding fictional & fantastical) around the West Atlantic.
Robert-Verse?
@@fallows4life It's the name of my unofficial, headcanon & sci-fiction/fantasy based shared universe (with a good dose of hybrid fiction).
Those parrots are still in jamaica i saw them as a kid in westmoreland. From westmoreland jamaica you can see the moutains in Cuba.
Probably other parrots from other parts of the world
As a Westmoreland brat I promise you those are not the same species.
I wonder if they were just color variants of known species, not even subspecies. Such as the ones that seem the same but with color extended. Like red extended to the tail instead of blue. Or a smaller patch of a color. Easy to happen in a small population.
I think they could be hybrids or maybe anomalies in the known kinds?!
Great video as always, there is also a possibility that some of the descriptions are hybrids as macaws will produce fertile young throughout multiple generations and look completely different from there parents and differ more the more types of macaws are hybridised, so some of the depictions may have been say a green wing crossed to a Cuban and the young bread with a blue and gold something that can't be replicated today as the Cuban is gone. But there is also the possibility that unknown macaws were in the mix as well but now lost to the world
As a Jamaican I didn’t know we had parrots with such vibrant red plumage; the only parrots that remain I believe are called the green caribbean parrot.
so sad, so many beautiful birds now lost
I think it’s definitely possible or even likely the Lesser Antillean Macaw existed. The multiple descriptions of the parrot having a *wholly* red tail might indicate the writers were describing them that way to distinguish them from the Scarlet Macaw. (Though this might be a leap of logic because it assumes they were well travelled enough to see Scarlet Macaws). I think the multiple descriptions, as well as the plate illustration from Europe that closely matches them, combined with the linguistic and skeletal evidence means they probably existed. If not a separate species they were a subspecies of Scarlet. It’s also possible they experienced such a strong die-off in European activity because, being an island population, they might not have had the same immunity to other avian diseases that parrots from mainland central and South America did. So, when exposed to parrots from these populations through the pet trade, they were more likely to contract disease and die.
Its definitely possible these birds existed and looked quite similar to ones that are still alive today...i mean look at the ivory billed wood pecker and the pileated woodpecker
Which App do you use for making these videos?
21:31 It's Delroy from Migration.
scarlet macaw was in
Cuba
HE CAME BACK
Hi I have wild red blue yellow and green parrots
At the risk of being /thatguy/ I'm going to point out that Dominica is pronounced däməˈnēkə and zoologist is pronounced zōˈäləjəst. As a zoologist who lives in Florida on the edge of the Caribbean I just couldn't let it go. My apologies in advance for being a pronunciation Nazi :-) I love your channel.
Also, Guadeloupe is pronounced ɡwädəˈlo͞op
Okay, I'll stop now
Firstly, great video. How tragic; humans are terrible for wild life. Think I also hear it said dough-mah-KNEE-ka among the English.
how do you not know if any of the people who reported them were colour blind
Parrot🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜
real
Don't skip over the detrimental changes the Caribbean islands suffered when those native peoples first went there.
So many species hunted and lost habitat, to extinction.
To @erichtomanek4739
What you note here is important. Cuba, Hispaniola and Puerto Rico all demonstrated Foster's Law in which large species, such as ground sloths, became smaller and small species, such as hutias and tortoises, became larger. In addition, there was the island effect of many birds' becoming flightless. Once American Indians came up from South America to these islands, they hunted most of these animals, which had never seen humans before, to extinction.
And The top apex terrestrial carnivore is still extant the terrestrial adapt Cuban crocodile
@@jointcerulean3350
You are right: The Cuban Crocodile is more agile on land than other crocodiles, and it can even leap out of the water to grab Desmarest's Hutias out of trees that are hanging over the water. It would be a good idea for the Cuban government to do more to protect it as it now exists only in Zapata Swamp on the main island and one other swamp on La Isla de Juventud, and it is threatened both by illegal hunting and hybridization with the Cuban variant of the American Crocodile.
@@RCSVirginia Indeed, are the most terrestrial species today, and the most efficient gallopers, and can perform a rotary and transverse gallop. it also used to inhabit fully terrestrial ecosystems in on the Bahamas and Dominican Republic based on stable isotopic data from bones of Cuban crocs found in blue holes on those islands.
These beautiful fantastical birds, if they r posted- how wonderful 🦜🦜🦜💚❤️
its possible they could have existed, birds often go extinct
It's so sad when you realize there's possible millions of animals humans eradicated that humans don't know about. Humans are cruel
If they went extinct from the pet trade then possibly those pets were taxidermed by their rich owners and the taxidermy’s might still be out there?
Back then, good taxidermy simply didn't exist. The use of certain chemicals meant that skins rarely lasted longer than 10 years, usually becoming discolored and rotting away. It's unfortunate, but it would be hard for anything to survive this long
"Disputed"...I rail at the use of this word here. A more academically elitist word would be hard to find, foisted on the rest of us by those that refuse to believe in anything they have not seen with their own eyes. In college I travelled throughout the Windward and Leeward Islands doing research on these islands parrots, extant and extinct. The documentation supporting West Indies parrot species is extensive, amassed and noted by every early European explorer who knew how ro write. The great libraries in Seville and Madrid house the original diaries of all the Spanish Explorers, as do the libraries in London and Amsterdam house the original diaries of their early New World explorers. Although there are many and varied descriptions of these islands and their inhabitants (or not), as one they all express wonder about the abundance of large, brightly colored birds on every island. We now call these parrots Amazons and Macaws. In the West Indies they are all almost completely gone now; however, there still exists on island with an intact Amazon and Macaw population: Isla Coiba. Visiting Isla Coiba is now highly constrained, but when I was in college it was not. The thrill of seeing a flock of several dozen Scarlett Macaws (Ara macao), or the Blue and Gold Macaw (Ara ararauna) can only be experienced on Isla Coiba now...once similar sized flocks of their kin, other macaw species filled the skys of almost every Caribbean island. Just because they are not there to be seen any longer does not mean they never were.
I don't know why, but it never would have occurred to me that natives or colonists would kill these gorgeous birds to eat. Too pretty to eat.
@cynthiamurphy3669
El campesino que mató al último Carpintero Imperial, una ave muy elegante y linda, dijo, "Era un buen pedazo de carne."
The peasant who killed the last Imperial Woodpecker, a very elegant and beautiful bird, said, "It was a good piece of meat."
@@RCSVirginia Actually, that does make sense. I'm a bible believer, so I do understand that aspect of the situation.
@@cynthiamurphy3669
When people have limited means, little education and no real knowledge or appreciation of nature, 'tis no wonder that they see animals merely as food. Being hungry adds to that. One of the saddest things about this is that live Imperial Woodpeckers would have been a resource for birding tourism that would have been far more valuable to his family than the one meal. Seeing as how this was probably not the first one he killed, but the last, he literally killed the woodpecker-goose that could have kept laying golden eggs for his kith-and-kin in the future.
@@RCSVirginia Since habitat destruction was the primary cause for the decline of the Imperial Woodpecker it will be good that he at least got a meal out of it
parrot are talkative chicken 😂😂😂
By that logic, humans are talkative lemurs.
Just because chickens and parrots are both birds doesn't make them all that similar. Not only are they not the same species, they aren't even in the same genus. Frankly I'm not even sure chickens and parrots are as closely related as humans are to lemurs, and certainly less related than humans are related to chimpanzees.
Also, chickens are domesticated game fowl. Parrots are not domesticated. We can tame them and keep them as pets, but no species of parrot is recognized as domesticated by science. And, while chickens are smarter than most people credit them with, parrots are one of the most intelligent animals on the planet. Most chickens are flightless, too, while most parrot species can fly very well.
I've never understood why some people think it's funny to call every bird a chicken. Just because people once ate (and in some cultures still do eat) them? Well, that doesn't make sense because people also eat ostriches, geese, quail, pheasants, ducks, and so forth.
So again... parrots aren't chickens unless humans are actually lemurs. Or maybe parrots aren't chickens unless humans are cats, which is probably a closer analogy given the genetic proximity of chickens to parrrots... by which I mean to say, they're not all that closely related.
It's important not to rely on eyewitness accounts every time, our memory is very selective
3rd 😂😂😂
1⁰
Celsius or Fahrenheit?🙃
Do the rare an endangered or extinct parrots of Australia,
Locally were i live in Australia we have a parrot that's thought extinct but still occurs still occurs it's called the mountain Larry it occurs around my home town of Guyra
It's a giant form of the crimson Rosella twice the size of a normal crimson Rosella we see it all the time but national parks and wildlife tell us it extinct but it's not
Are you talking about the blue mountain lory? Those are definitely still around haha
As these men were both literate and educated, 'tis likely that they were good observers who could describe in detail what they had seen or about what they had been told. Paleontological excavations on islands in the Pacific Ocean have shown that many islands had an array of avian species of all types before the advent of the Polynesian explorers and settlers. There is no reason to believe that the islands of the Caribbean were any different. It is likely that each island had a particular assemblage of endemic birds, either unique species or subspecies. Sadly, like so many animals on isles around the world, many of these birds could not survive human colonization. Last, but least, All About Nature, you have made another excellent video.
Such good content I liked it a lot. It's so sad hearing about that many species that are gone now knowing I will never see them with my own eyes but it has this weird mystery vibe that's kinds cool.
Guacamayas lol its crazy because some puerto ricans still call parrots that as well...from our taino ancestors that lived there...great video 👍🏽
Superb. Eye-opening at what we've lost.
It so sad all these wonderful animals went extinct. This tragedy is still going on today in the world by humans in pack and none native animals
The guadeloupe parakeet looks very similar to the red crowned parakeet which is semi common in New Zealand.
Audubon’s hypothetical birds would be an interesting idea to cover.
Do people sit and stare at youtube all day, waiting to post first. Like bros is your life down that bad something as simple as saying "first" brightens your day
Yes, yes they do
First
Is your life down that bad that you care? Is my life down that bad that I care that you care? 😂 Who cares?
@@WILD__THINGSIs my life down bad because I care because you care that they care?
I honestly just hate it when people say first because it’s just a useless thing to do. Sure you did say it but it’s likely not always going to attract the attention of other people.
I think some were valid, some might be questionable.
Their loss is sad
this is fascinating!! i've never heard of these. you always cover stuff i've never heard of and it's great!
It can be hard to find something "new." Glad you enjoyed😊
Saying someone has nothing to do with science because he is a clergyman is a weird take. Gregor Mendel, discoverer of genetic inheritance, was a monk. George LaMataitre, the first person to theorize about the Big Bang, was a priest. Copernicus was also a priest.
Fascinating! It would be very interesting to hear about other disputed species around the world. On the subject of birds, another interesting topic would be the huge number of extinct New Zealand birds which go way beyind the iconic moas, many of which (it has to be faced) were exterminated by humans before the European settlers arrived: adzebills, various owls, nightjars, ducks, geese, the huia, and many more. It must have been an astonishingly biodiverse land before man devastated it...
I’m from guadeloupe and I love this video thank you so much. We lost nearly all of our wildlife, we used to have mamaties and flamingo as well, but they all gone😪
Where can I get a copy of the book of Rot Child?
@asilva781
You can look up Extinct Birds Walther Rothschild on-line Also, you can look up Errol Fuller Extinct Birds and Extinct Birds of Hawaii Michael Walther. Several on-line stores carry these three books.
As someone who is from the Caribbean and is also an animal lover our ancestor’s lack of care for the world we call home hurts my heart. At the very least, where I live I do still often see parrots in my yards.
Edit: spelling
Theres a few species of fish in the great lakes like this. Look into meaaaan
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