You know. I’ve noticed many gay men have this behavior. I’ve even caught it in myself, and of course corrected. It’s not on purpose however. I’m sure it’s some deeper comment on society as a whole but there you have it.
No he didn't. He was no saint, but anyone who's read the slightest thing about Edie knows she was a wildly unstable person rocketing on drvgs the brief time they were collaborating. Warhol made her famous, and SHE was the one who left because she thought Bob Dylan would boost that fame. Andy didn't discard her, it was the crazy 60s and Edie went her own way. Jean Stein's biography of Edie was a great read but really poisonously slanted in creating her myth, h0m0ph0b1cally casting Andy as the villain. He wasn't.
Even though edie came from a family with money, she was abused and molested, and she had a narcissistic father, she was very vulnerable.It's being used and she was used by everyone. She was making movies and not getting paid.
Worhol was a narcissist and only would use people, that can make himself shine and then, throw them away. He is partly to blame for her downfall, but she was always self destructive, due to her unhappy childhood. Her parents were unbalanced, her father another narcissist creep. Sad very sad. Three Sedgwick siblings died young, by their own destruction.
He seem only interested in people, from the perspective of how interesting they were, he didn’t really seem to have any empathy for his “Superstar’s “ when they needed help
Andy Warhol was definitely a contributing factor. He knew she was broken & he used that to get what he wanted from her. He would also have known susceptible she'd be to destruction with drug use & what his rejection would to do her, & he just didn't care. So no, not "all his fault", but intentionally damaging a vulnerable, damaged person for your own selfish desires/satisfaction incurs some culpability. Her father broke her & Warhol stomped on the pieces. She didn't have much hope (psychologically) of having a stable life before Warhol, but I believe she would've made it much longer w/o him. Sadly people do this to each other all the time & those who do it sleep fine. At least mental health is better now, all that shock therapy didn't help her either.
I would put most of the blame for Edie's tragic life on her father, considering that Edie's two older brothers killed themselves prior to Edie's demise.
Not all. The family built a poor foundation. Warhol and others saw this and exploited it. She was in her early twenties and still imo very much a child, considering how sheltered she had been out on that large ranch before moving to the east coast. It seems like she was let loose because of her legal age, but others saw that she had not really been prepared for the world. Her beauty gave her positive attention, but borh her money and beauty brought her a lot vultures who used her and exploited her vulnerabilities and inexperience. In today's world, she wouldn't have had to beg for a career in modeling or even in independent films.
Love the video. Did you know that Nelson's former home in New York was turned into an art gallery? ActionKid on UA-cam did a walk through in 2019. The 3rd floor is of him. Thanks to you I found out about Nelson🤗
Have you seen an animated short film about Edie: ”Too Late”? It was made for the 50th anniversary of her death and Robert Margouleff, a co-producer of ”Ciao! Manhattan” produced a soundtrack for this film!
In Factory Girl it was written into the script that Dylan loved her and wanted her to leave the Warhol life and she couldn't tear herself away, but now having learned he was secretly married , it adds to her tragic story. No I do not feel Warhol was responsible for her death, But he was a cruel person, he hated himself on a inner child level but he was a supreme narcissistic, he knew how to find the weakness in those he preyed on .. I loved your presentation, and I am going to subscribe! Thank you
Thanks for the great video! Andy used Edie and I am sorry that she died at such a young age. I don't blame Andy for Edie's demise, but he was callous and selfish. Edie RIP! 🌸🌸🌸
Never was a woman without a man to blame. Women put themselves into the hands of men because it is a shortcut up the ladder, and if anything goes wrong, it's never her fault. She used him for his fame just as much as he used her. That would be obvious to everyone if he had a vagina.
I love the content in the new season!! I think Edie had her demons and they would've shown whether or not Andy had been a part of her life. I have always felt her story was really sad, especially with her family. Great episode!!!
Great video! I've never seen a movie Edie did, but she was a fashion icon. I believe Warhol used her, and threw her away. I wonder how her life would have been had she never met him.
Love that you're back!! If Andy honestly cared for her, he would have done everything in his power to save her from herself. But, even then, Andy was kinda warped .
Andy has always been a mysterious character amongst all the people in which you have covered, but comes off very creepy too. That's just my opinion. Love the video
Always enjoy these tidbits and love the refreshed look! I guess she died young and will always be in the land of "what if?" Warhol used her for what she had and probably her decline was just another art study.
Andy Warhol used people and threw them away like garbage he as a narcissist was very good at spotting empathetic and hurt people and he used them..and I always thought his art sucked..I never understood why he was so popular and Dylan didnt help either..all she kept doing was replacing her narcissist father over and over again..
I'm enjoying your return, and if I had any feedback it might be that I'd be interested in more videos on those who made or appeared in lesser known cult and B-C-D movie or cheapie films of this era, those tied to New York anyway. It was such a fascinating period. Men and women who by day would toil in acclaimed drama and acting schools, waiting for their big break, then by night perform in the cheapest junkers in order to keep food on the table. That whole era has so much to mine. You do a great job summarizing - I've always found the Warhol crowd simultaneously overexposed and covered in a shallow way, so these are good little info nuggets. As for Edie, I think you can blame narcissists like Dylan and Warhol, but, sad to say, she was also likely heading towards her fate no matter what. So many young men and women succumb to loneliness, insecurity, and finally, drugs - they just aren't part of the Warhol mystique, so their stories are never told. Still, she's left a true legacy.
Thank you 🙏 Ken George Jones That’s a very interesting idea 💡 I will have to look 👀 into that. Let me know if you know of any resources that might be helpful 😊
@@RetroRoomYT There's the Rialto Report (although that is an adult film blog/podcast, just to warn, definitely NSFW). The story they had on Dolly Sharp/Helen Wood reminded me of something I could have seen your channel doing, with the twists and turns of her life. Others of that period like Jamie Gillis, Eric Edwards, Tina Russell, Linda Lovelace, Kathie Hilton, etc. and probably a lot more I don't know about. Very dramatic. Beyond that, if you'd rather not do videos on that type of subject, now that I think of it, the early years of the SNL cast are pretty fascinating. Some of that has been covered to death, but other stories, like Yvonne Hudson (the first black female cast member of SNL, an extra for several years before and after that point, supposedly an NBC employee before being cast as she was already there and easy to hire, disappeared after about 1983 or 1984), would also be fascinating. Oh, and Andy Warhol also appeared on SNL several times in 1981 for some weird films and some very unique writers of that period (like Nelson Lyon and Terry Southern) were also briefly involved, which would be interesting material, along with Michael O'Donoghue's tumultuous involvement for half the season. Dennis Perrin wrote about some of that.
one of my favorite videos of yours!!! thankyou for the great content! i love edie sedgewick and i do feel that warhol was responsible for her to some extent. there were so many people around him who died from the drugs he got them hooked on and he didnt seem to care! ive heard his "suicide statement about edie" from many sources and it is just appalling the lack of care for someone who was his best friend for around a year and obviously needed his help. great video! are those your pets at the end of the vid? so cute!!! 🖤💔🖤
Eddie was fascinating to look at, kind of reminds me of Audrey Hepburn. I'm not sure if Warhol made her look ridiculous sometimes I think the sixties were just ridiculous on it's own everyone was trying to be so deep and using drugs to find themselves jmo. Love the way your channels going you are a great storyteller. You could let Retro kitty and your other adorable pets do some cameos 😀❤💙❤💙❤
Me too. I’m 65 now and I just love this old stuff. Anything from the 60’s and 70’s is like going back in time for me. Those were such amazing times to be alive. I was a teenager in the 70’s. Sex, drugs, and rock n roll. We did it all back then. I could write a great book about it but I’m just glad I survived it all.
I’ve always wondered what are your thoughts and analysis of the 1980s NY Ballroom scene circuit? Had you been to any of the balls? Have you met any of the mothers before their passings? “Paris is Burning” introduced me to that world and there are so many thoughts I have on those wonderful people! Have you thought about making a video of opinions talking about the documentary and the people in it?🤩
This is something I have been thinking about Anjellike. I have been getting a few questions about this topic. Maybe 🤔 we will have to start talking about it 😊💡
" Brilliance, talent " Like, where? lol Warhol was " the most stupid person I've ever met " Why? " because he had nothing to say " - esteemed worldwide art critic Robert Hughes
Gr8 vid, tkx! Neither Warhol nor Dylan were responsible for Edie' downfall. While incredibly beautiful, Edie was a lost soul who sooner or later would succumb to her own excessive lifestyle. Ciao Edie, RIP.
He clearly didn't want to make friends. At the end, he's 36 yo man. She's a 20 yo girl. What could they have in common? I think it was only business relationship for him. For some reason Edith wanted more
@@mtaylor7307 I also realised it lately, I’m a photographer. When I was a beginner I often befriended my models. But it was when I was 22-25. Now I am 37 and I have nothing in common with those girls. So this is my personal perspective
Edie was messed up long before Warhol. Her drug abuse started at a young age. She was disconnected from the Warhol world for several years before her overdose so any implication that Warhol was to blame is ridiculous.
Edie,, spent 80,000 dollars in six months at the Factory..an inheritance from an aunt...For this her family cut her off... She ended up on the street broke, no where to live... addicted to Heroin.... next stop mental hospital for three years..
Edie was an incredibly damaged, self-destructive adult from a wealthy family. Warhol exploited people in his circle but was not responsible for her tragic decline.
hate warhol. treated women SO BADLY especially Valerie Solanas who he treated like sh so she shot him (yay Valerie). love the aesthetics of this video.
Andy Warhol was responsible for numerous nightmares....I admired his artistic instinct but he was a manipulator and sadist at heart. NOT LIKE HIS MORE TALENTED COLLEAGUE JOHN WATERS.
why do i feel andy was jealous of these women and also of straight men who get to discard women? he certainly treated women like they were disposable.
You know. I’ve noticed many gay men have this behavior. I’ve even caught it in myself, and of course corrected. It’s not on purpose however. I’m sure it’s some deeper comment on society as a whole but there you have it.
No he didn't. He was no saint, but anyone who's read the slightest thing about Edie knows she was a wildly unstable person rocketing on drvgs the brief time they were collaborating. Warhol made her famous, and SHE was the one who left because she thought Bob Dylan would boost that fame. Andy didn't discard her, it was the crazy 60s and Edie went her own way. Jean Stein's biography of Edie was a great read but really poisonously slanted in creating her myth, h0m0ph0b1cally casting Andy as the villain. He wasn't.
Even though edie came from a family with money, she was abused and molested, and she had a narcissistic father, she was very vulnerable.It's being used and she was used by everyone. She was making movies and not getting paid.
Worhol was a narcissist and only would use people, that can make himself shine and then, throw them away. He is partly to blame for her downfall, but she was always self destructive, due to her unhappy childhood. Her parents were unbalanced, her father another narcissist creep. Sad very sad. Three Sedgwick siblings died young, by their own destruction.
He seem only interested in people, from the perspective of how interesting they were, he didn’t really seem to have any empathy for his “Superstar’s “ when they needed help
I think she was absolutely beautiful, although it’s tragic. She will always hold a special place in my heart.
Andy Warhol was definitely a contributing factor. He knew she was broken & he used that to get what he wanted from her. He would also have known susceptible she'd be to destruction with drug use & what his rejection would to do her, & he just didn't care.
So no, not "all his fault", but intentionally damaging a vulnerable, damaged person for your own selfish desires/satisfaction incurs some culpability.
Her father broke her & Warhol stomped on the pieces. She didn't have much hope (psychologically) of having a stable life before Warhol, but I believe she would've made it much longer w/o him.
Sadly people do this to each other all the time & those who do it sleep fine. At least mental health is better now, all that shock therapy didn't help her either.
seems like Dylan is more at fault
I would put most of the blame for Edie's tragic life on her father, considering that Edie's two older brothers killed themselves prior to Edie's demise.
Not all. The family built a poor foundation. Warhol and others saw this and exploited it. She was in her early twenties and still imo very much a child, considering how sheltered she had been out on that large ranch before moving to the east coast. It seems like she was let loose because of her legal age, but others saw that she had not really been prepared for the world. Her beauty gave her positive attention, but borh her money and beauty brought her a lot vultures who used her and exploited her vulnerabilities and inexperience. In today's world, she wouldn't have had to beg for a career in modeling or even in independent films.
@@kristinmeyer489: Thank you for that insight. Very well said!
Love the video. Did you know that Nelson's former home in New York was turned into an art gallery? ActionKid on UA-cam did a walk through in 2019. The 3rd floor is of him. Thanks to you I found out about Nelson🤗
Thanks Terry Slaughter 🙏
I knew it was a gallery but I didn’t know that Nelson was in it! That’s awesome 🤩
Thank you for the heads up!
Great video. And the production quality has gone up dramatically. Very impressed. Please keep them coming!
Wow! I really appreciate that Kevin Howard!
Thank you 🙏 😊
Have you seen an animated short film about Edie: ”Too Late”? It was made for the 50th anniversary of her death and Robert Margouleff, a co-producer of ”Ciao! Manhattan” produced a soundtrack for this film!
I have not seen it! I will have to check it out
Thanks 🙏 for the tip Mazda Isphahan
Candy Darling is another great one from that time period. There’s a doc of her here, I just found her so beautiful and fascinating. RIP❤️
In Factory Girl it was written into the script that Dylan loved her and wanted her to leave the Warhol life and she couldn't tear herself away, but now having learned he was secretly married , it adds to her tragic story. No I do not feel Warhol was responsible for her death, But he was a cruel person, he hated himself on a inner child level but he was a supreme narcissistic, he knew how to find the weakness in those he preyed on .. I loved your presentation, and I am going to subscribe! Thank you
Thank You so much!
sorry but warhol contributed to her death.
Lou Reed got out in time. He noticed how Andy " went through people" and " that wasn't gonna happen to me" .
Thanks for the great video! Andy used Edie and I am sorry that she died at such a young age. I don't blame Andy for Edie's demise, but he was callous and selfish. Edie RIP! 🌸🌸🌸
You are welcome 🙏 Trish T and I agree with your comment
Never was a woman without a man to blame. Women put themselves into the hands of men because it is a shortcut up the ladder, and if anything goes wrong, it's never her fault. She used him for his fame just as much as he used her. That would be obvious to everyone if he had a vagina.
I love the content in the new season!! I think Edie had her demons and they would've shown whether or not Andy had been a part of her life. I have always felt her story was really sad, especially with her family. Great episode!!!
Thank you 🙏 MsRyland511 🥰
I appreciate that.
I found it sad too. It’s really surprising how quickly she deteriorated, in such a short period of time
Great video! I've never seen a movie Edie did, but she was a fashion icon. I believe Warhol used her, and threw her away. I wonder how her life would have been had she never met him.
Thanks Username 🙏 I wonder that too!
Love that you're back!! If Andy honestly cared for her, he would have done everything in his power to save her from herself. But, even then, Andy was kinda warped .
Thank you 🙏 I’m Just Karen!
Appreciate it 😊
Andy has always been a mysterious character amongst all the people in which you have covered, but comes off very creepy too. That's just my opinion. Love the video
Thanks 🙏 Aaron Sartore
Loving the new look! Great video. Much appreciated ….🙌🏼
Thank you 🙏 Cece Max!
I appreciate you ☝️😊
thanks for the new videos, love retro room!
You are welcome 🙏 Jon Clowdus 😊
Always enjoy these tidbits and love the refreshed look! I guess she died young and will always be in the land of "what if?" Warhol used her for what she had and probably her decline was just another art study.
Thank you psychospacecadet :)
Andy Warhol used people and threw them away like garbage he as a narcissist was very good at spotting empathetic and hurt people and he used them..and I always thought his art sucked..I never understood why he was so popular and Dylan didnt help either..all she kept doing was replacing her narcissist father over and over again..
I'm enjoying your return, and if I had any feedback it might be that I'd be interested in more videos on those who made or appeared in lesser known cult and B-C-D movie or cheapie films of this era, those tied to New York anyway. It was such a fascinating period. Men and women who by day would toil in acclaimed drama and acting schools, waiting for their big break, then by night perform in the cheapest junkers in order to keep food on the table. That whole era has so much to mine. You do a great job summarizing - I've always found the Warhol crowd simultaneously overexposed and covered in a shallow way, so these are good little info nuggets. As for Edie, I think you can blame narcissists like Dylan and Warhol, but, sad to say, she was also likely heading towards her fate no matter what. So many young men and women succumb to loneliness, insecurity, and finally, drugs - they just aren't part of the Warhol mystique, so their stories are never told. Still, she's left a true legacy.
Thank you 🙏 Ken George Jones
That’s a very interesting idea 💡
I will have to look 👀 into that. Let me know if you know of any resources that might be helpful 😊
@@RetroRoomYT There's the Rialto Report (although that is an adult film blog/podcast, just to warn, definitely NSFW). The story they had on Dolly Sharp/Helen Wood reminded me of something I could have seen your channel doing, with the twists and turns of her life. Others of that period like Jamie Gillis, Eric Edwards, Tina Russell, Linda Lovelace, Kathie Hilton, etc. and probably a lot more I don't know about. Very dramatic. Beyond that, if you'd rather not do videos on that type of subject, now that I think of it, the early years of the SNL cast are pretty fascinating. Some of that has been covered to death, but other stories, like Yvonne Hudson (the first black female cast member of SNL, an extra for several years before and after that point, supposedly an NBC employee before being cast as she was already there and easy to hire, disappeared after about 1983 or 1984), would also be fascinating. Oh, and Andy Warhol also appeared on SNL several times in 1981 for some weird films and some very unique writers of that period (like Nelson Lyon and Terry Southern) were also briefly involved, which would be interesting material, along with Michael O'Donoghue's tumultuous involvement for half the season. Dennis Perrin wrote about some of that.
one of my favorite videos of yours!!! thankyou for the great content! i love edie sedgewick and i do feel that warhol was responsible for her to some extent. there were so many people around him who died from the drugs he got them hooked on and he didnt seem to care! ive heard his "suicide statement about edie" from many sources and it is just appalling the lack of care for someone who was his best friend for around a year and obviously needed his help. great video! are those your pets at the end of the vid? so cute!!! 🖤💔🖤
Thank you Angel 🙏
Yeah, Warhol seemed kinda cold about the whole thing
Those are my pets. Retro kitty has siblings ❤️
Such smooth transitions...the channel looks great 👍
Thank you so much 😀 MJ Reikiriot
Bob Dylan auditioned at the factory and got married behind Edie's back, I think that speaks to true betrayal, honestly.
Precisely. Nothing but snakes around her who posed as friends and lovers.
Thank you for the upload 😄
No problem 😊
Eddie was fascinating to look at, kind of reminds me of Audrey Hepburn. I'm not sure if Warhol made her look ridiculous sometimes I think the sixties were just ridiculous on it's own everyone was trying to be so deep and using drugs to find themselves jmo. Love the way your channels going you are a great storyteller. You could let Retro kitty and your other adorable pets do some cameos 😀❤💙❤💙❤
Thank you 🙏 Marigold
I definitely appreciate your comment ♥️
I’m sure Retro Kitty and friends would love 💕 to make more cameos
Audrey Hepburn is a classic beauty. "Breakfast at Tiffany's".
Don’t you think she looks more like twiggy
Really enjoyed this. Great job!
Thank you HEAD GROUNDSMAN 🙏
Enjoying the new content!
Thank you Donna Spicuzza 🙏
I'm glad your video showed up in my recommendations. I really dig this kind of content! I am now subscribed to your channel.
Wow 🤩 thanks 🙏 Susan C
And Thank you for subscribing ❤️
Me too. I’m 65 now and I just love this old stuff. Anything from the 60’s and 70’s is like going back in time for me. Those were such amazing times to be alive. I was a teenager in the 70’s. Sex, drugs, and rock n roll. We did it all back then. I could write a great book about it but I’m just glad I survived it all.
Warhol was a cold-hearted aSShole! Yes, I think he has a lot to do with Edies ' untimely demise, and yes, I did enjoy this video. Thanks for sharing !
Thanks 🙏 @melodyofpsalm8468 glad you enjoyed it!
'poor little rich girl' just sounds like a patronising, misogynistic title.
Very 60s. As women's lib was on the rise, the sexual objectification of females that looked like girls began.
I’ve always wondered what are your thoughts and analysis of the 1980s NY Ballroom scene circuit? Had you been to any of the balls? Have you met any of the mothers before their passings? “Paris is Burning” introduced me to that world and there are so many thoughts I have on those wonderful people! Have you thought about making a video of opinions talking about the documentary and the people in it?🤩
This is something I have been thinking about
Anjellike. I have been getting a few questions about this topic. Maybe 🤔 we will have to start talking about it 😊💡
Honestly twiggy and Edie Sedgwick looks are similar to each other.at first glance you may think they are twins.
" Brilliance, talent " Like, where? lol Warhol was " the most stupid person I've ever met " Why? " because he had nothing to say " - esteemed worldwide art critic Robert Hughes
Love your channel. Also I'm in Los Angeles, it's September 5 2022 and I'm very very hot. I have no ac and I'm dying. Please send help. Thank you
Thanks Gerchop
You NEED AC!
Eddie ran out of $$$ and then goodbye , Eddie.
Very sad
Gr8 vid, tkx!
Neither Warhol nor Dylan were responsible for Edie' downfall. While incredibly beautiful, Edie was a lost soul who sooner or later would succumb to her own excessive lifestyle. Ciao Edie, RIP.
Thanks!
Its so sad she met up with him...she was a real star
Just think, the whole world revolves around the shapes of peoples' skulls.
Sums up the profound depth of mankind.
Facinating, I really liked listening to this about Edie. 👍
Thanks for listening, glad you liked it!
I absolutely love Edie . Icon
She is 👍 an Icon for sure
Excellent video really enjoyed it. She was heartbreakingly beautiful but sadly so damaged inside.
thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
He clearly didn't want to make friends. At the end, he's 36 yo man. She's a 20 yo girl. What could they have in common? I think it was only business relationship for him. For some reason Edith wanted more
This is a very valid point you are making. Thanks 🙏
@@RetroRoomYT thank you 😊
Gross. I grew up in that era and never realized the age gap. Thanks for the perspective.
@@mtaylor7307 I also realised it lately, I’m a photographer. When I was a beginner I often befriended my models. But it was when I was 22-25. Now I am 37 and I have nothing in common with those girls. So this is my personal perspective
6:20 sounds like a fanfic
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Warhol was a creep‼️🤬
Edie never signed a contract, or sued Warhol? How many movies did she make, before she realized she was not getting paid?
I believe they made almost 20 films togther
She didn't sit on a chair. She sat on a trunk.
Tomato tamoto
Edie was messed up long before Warhol. Her drug abuse started at a young age. She was disconnected from the Warhol world for several years before her overdose so any implication that Warhol was to blame is ridiculous.
Her narrative arc is the very definition of tragic. Sad.
She looked better with dark hair. Eyebrows looked bad
Omg how naive we were!
Edie,, spent 80,000 dollars in six months at the Factory..an inheritance from an aunt...For this her family cut her off...
She ended up on the street broke, no where to live... addicted to Heroin.... next stop mental hospital for three years..
Wow!!
Dylan thought Andy was responsible for Edie’s death
4:16 Donyale lunaaa
Edie was an incredibly damaged, self-destructive adult from a wealthy family. Warhol exploited people in his circle but was not responsible for her tragic decline.
Fantastic!
Dylan used her in the most brutal and heartless way.
You can see how much Lou Reed copied Andy in the way he presented himself in interviews
Why is the word "suicide" beeped?And drug use.???
I think u get flagged as a creator if you say it and it wont make any revenue
hate warhol. treated women SO BADLY especially Valerie Solanas who he treated like sh so she shot him (yay Valerie). love the aesthetics of this video.
Valarie was a schizophrenic
So Andy never paid her for any of the films she did for him?
she's very cute but very normal compared to nico who isn't accessible/is more otherworldly.
Nico, 1988, is her last self documentary. Nico decoded.
These men used her up. Shameful! 10:01
Imo she was used by everyone.
wait what about john cale??
eddie was a bloke
What a waste. In other news, I met Andy Warhol at a really chic party.
The unnecessary frantic visual effects on this actually gave me nausea.
She just happened to bump into Andy and Bob and they sucked her dry! I hope she’s at peace now, rest easy Edie🖤
how come you call him 'war-hall' and not 'war-hole'?
Andy was a creep!..
SHE…. and…eenglish?
Sleep well Edie you were surrounded by b4st4rds😢😢😢
Andy Warhol was responsible for numerous nightmares....I admired his artistic instinct but he was a manipulator and sadist at heart. NOT LIKE HIS MORE TALENTED COLLEAGUE JOHN WATERS.
You did a damn fine job messing your daughter up, Minty.
Minty was Edie's brother who committed suicide. Dad was Frances, aka "Fuzzy"
TRUMP 2024❤
I think Edie was a transgender
Yes and the Earth is flat!
@@sarahisstellina the earth is flat I agree, but what does flat earth have to do with Eddie being a transgender?