Something many people don't understand about asking for help when you come from an abusive family... what's the point? Why ask for help when it will be denied anyway? After so much betrayal and abandonment, asking for help doesn't even cross one's mind. It's not always that help isn't needed or about pride. Too often, it's about self preservation and avoiding humiliation.
Have asked and begged to be put into trauma therapy here and there over the past 20yrs and have been let down every single time until I give up again. They want you to jump through hoops when you barely have the energy to shower.
Since I was a kid in 1965, I knew I was influenced by the British Invasion, but when I saw this film I was struck with the fact that I had a little leopard print fur cap, the wrap around sunglasses, the EXACT black and white pilgrim shoes seen early in the movie. She was an influence I didn't even know about.
When he found out a friend committed suicide he said "Why didn't he tell us? We could have filmed it". Then later "I wonder when Edie will commit suicide? I hope she tells us so we can film it" He enjoyed other's pain (Beauty #2) He thought Edie would make him famous in Hollywood as a filmmaker, he said he was quitting Art on the only interview on TV of them I know of, & when he saw she wasn't stable enough, he dropped her, after spending her money, using her status to elevate his, etc
Yeah and he damn well tried to get it on tape with that awful exploitative film they made of her when she was practically nodded out/stimming from barbiturates and the whole thing at the time. But in that single interview of them together he does say no emotion goes into his art at all. But as someone who is rather emotionally aloof I experienced a suicide of a long term partner- and its created a hole in me. Could he have been denying the emotion? Turning it to humor because he didn't want to feel?
@@miasmatik It seems as if he saw others as objects more than people, including himself and turning himself into a product to sell. He always appeared quite emotionless, but not in that stoic way in a more narcissistic sociopath type way. He loved different people but only CERTAIN types of different- he was in no way a lover of people but a collector as s if they were taking place for his comics. As if he wanted to surround himself with people who satiated his needs and would indulge others to fulfill that need. Idk though never finished my Psych degree and only going by the moderate info I have on him.
I think AW was extremely insecure and used other people as crutches, as shields and as ladders. I don´t think he had feelings towards them. I also think he was extremely lonely on the inside.
I hate that despicable AW. A pathological narcissist, a woyeur fanatic of transgression, pain and other people's vices. His "art" is fake, bogus and completely useless. He destroyed the lives of many underprivileged young people with the excuse of making them famous. The New York of the American dream is just as hell now as a battlefield 50-60 years ago.
I believe many people have much to answer for in regards to their treatment of Edie. Some people were obviously jealous of her breathtaking beauty and unsurpassed charm. Some were likely envious of her social standing and families wealth. Some probably even sought revenge for real or perceived slights or wrongs committed by Edie. She was far from perfect, and had many shortcomings...as we all do. However, she deserved better treatment than she received from many. I am not sure Edie ever received the “unconditional” love many of us take for granted. It seems that Edie instead received a lot of conditional love and support ...(e.g. “I will support you as long as you do this”, or “I will love you as long as you act this way”). We ALL need people in our lives who will love us without conditions being placed....unconditional love is what she lacked the most in her life, in my very humble opinion. Her life should have gone so differently.
Edie is to me a symbol of every beautiful, unloved, ambitious, and ultimately neglected young woman to ever flee the tyranny of their families for the quixotic Paper Moon that fame can be. Her charisma and style were great starting points, but those two qualities are only a small part of the package one needs to find lasting success and survival in the world of New York City.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 - There was an element of all the people in the Factory crowd that Warhol would deliver them from obscurity to relevance or importance. Edie from what I understand had endured a somewhat cold family upbringing and perhaps she found a new family in the Warhol milieu. I have no idea how she was treated by VU in particular but I’m sure there was plenty of sexual musical chairs going on. What is important about seeking success and fame is that it inevitably brings hangers on. Was she really a superstar? That was subjective and fairly hard to say. Andy was a trailblazer and self sufficient on his own. Like Edie, he needed some kind of support team and allies yet he was not universally loved and accepted at that time. To some, he was never a true fine artist. Yet, looking back now he created work that people treasure and collect, so in his own time he was just an enigma to many. Actors like painters need patrons or true believers in their talents. Andy could hustle commercial art and do well. Edie could have probably just modeled and done ok. The moment you aspire to be something more you run into the waiting game of history to be the judge. Now Edie seems like a precious and frail persona doing all she could to be more than just marginal. Ultimately all fame is just an ephemeral game, just like youth and beauty. Since Andy did not have beauty to fall back on all he had were his wits. Edie did like so many (Nico, Marianne Faithful) and just threw all to the wind and just went with drugs. Drugs they say speed up what would have happened anyway but bring it all into a fast track to oblivion. There was nothing for her to fight for ultimately except survival in a sometimes unforgiving world of critics, moral judges, and the generally cynical people of New York? I can’t generalize New Yorkers as all cynical but it sure seems like a pretty competitive and difficult place to be vulnerable as she was.
It's really sad how much potential Edie had. It's not hard to see that a lot of people she surrounded herself were in away jealous of her. I feel Edie was the person Warhol wished he was. He was very ungrateful to her. Had she not had so many problems I feel like she could of been a huge megastar. A lot of stuff for me don't make sense. I feel that she didn't really have any person in her life that protected her. I was reading up on how she died and I can't help to feel that maybe her husband had something to do with it. So much mystery that surrounds her death. She suffered so much.
She could have been a star and had the same end. Like Marilyn. Stardom is what exactly? Do they seem happy? Used to laugh when people said poor little rich girl thinking they were ungrateful but a lot of them had awful, abusive families. Better to have a loving family. Andy seemed like a thoroughly nasty man
Video has people talking about Eddie Sedgwick but then each snippet of Eddie herself is actually Sienna Miller playing her? How odd and confusing. "She was so beautiful" and then they show Miller who looks different than Sedgwick.
+mrspeckpigeon Sienna definitely did not capture the duality in Edie & her intense fragility in combination with her love for the camera. However, to capture Edie completely would be like catching air.
@MrJosCHEWa Absolutely. Miller looks just like Sedgewick, hence her being cast. As far as the acting goes, it's a complete joke. Edie's memory needs to be respected. Yes, she had her problems and issues, but this travesty of a film did not does do her justice at all.
Love how they're talking about how wonderful Edie was. And I know that they ripped her apart behind her back.that poor girl they all used her for what ever thy could get.and they all did drugs
Okay, Warhol's approach was inspired by the Dadaists, many of whom used appropriated imagery. Look at Duchamp, Cornwell, Kurt Schwitters just to name a few. It is a TRADITION that was established long before Warhol was making his art. Also look up Raushenberg
she should have been west coast with Ken Keasy, the merry pranksters and the Grateful dead. Less fame yes, but more life and real love that she craved.
Edie was rich enough to get lots of attention but didn't want it from the sorts of people she was expected to be around. While it can be fun for a minute to be around upper class folks (who think they are better than the rest), it's not a good life for those who value authenticity and humility. Edie wasn't able to be tamed to live that life, and had a strong desire to make her own way, so she tried to do it ...with a leash around her neck. She may have been trapped psychologically, but it's nice she had brief opportunities to just be Edie. Her dancing makes me think of a great inner celebration of breaking out of a jello type mold. Shaking it all off and daring to just be...free. Music is healing and she demonstrated that beautifully. I wish she could have lived to complete the work she started.
It is sad what happens to some people. Her wealth aside, she was a fractured human. Seeking approval any way possible, putting her self-worth into what others thought of her. It happens all the time. These people are special and when nurtured can be magnificent. I knew a person like that, horrid family, horrid childhood but simply wonderful to behold. His joy for life and beauty were so contagious that other people wanted to be a part of it, but they didn't understand his way of thinking and would end up using him and moving on. All he ever wanted was love, something he didn't get at home. His family was cold and detached. Her never spent Christmas or birthdays with them past the age of 3. They were positively dreadful to him and eventually he ended his life.
Edie had so much going for her. *_She was used and thrown away by Andy Warhol, and Bob Dylan really Broken Her Heart. Yes, her Father was a Sadistic Paranoid Schizophrenic and her Mother folded under the pressure and Abuse; 2 Older Brothers horrifically Committed Suicide before that... But SHE MADE IT TO THE TOP. The IT Girl of 1965. In the End, she couldn't bear a "Regular Lifr", and Ended The Pain. Too Giving To Live, Too Beautiful To Die._* She was only 28 and Looked so bad. Had she not been hurt and Lived, she would have remained a Superstar. I Will Always Love, Adore, And Feeling For Edie.
+Desi Chiffon What you are saying I can tell you is all true, Dylan's still mean, full of himself also. Sadly had I known while having to deal with him at a show he's lucky I didn't know what I finally do now, Warhol as well!
Zen JDM : I adore Edie. I have written something special in her memory, I would like to share with you. Please let me know if you would care to read it. Thank you
When I was small I loved to draw and piant, my mother sore this in me and sent me to all the best art galleries in London so I got to inhale all this art and Andy wohol was one of my favourite, now I write and paint and photography, I have been tormented in addiction, but I'm not jaded, ? . but thanks mum for the inspiration. love you xx garethxwhitex x
Many people have much to answer for in their treatment of Edie Sedgwick during her all too short life. Call it karma, or what you will, eventually all of us answer for how we have treated others I believe.
I'm sick of all the comments about how Sienna Miller didn't do her justice. Not saying Sienna is a great actress (yet) but she is a fine actress. I don't think she quite captured Edie's vulnerability, but overall, she did a very good job and DID resemble Edie, although even that is irrelevant. Michelle Williams didn't look much like Monroe, but she captured her essence and did a great job in 'My Week with Marilyn." Same thing here with Sienna Miller. I think some of you are such die hard fans of Edie that no one but Edie herself would be acceptable to you up there on the screen. And I am sure Sam Green did know Edie. He may exaggerate some, but he came from a very rich family and was very involved in the art world. This guy became a close companion of Garbo in her later years. If he had access to the inside of Greta Garbo's apartment, trust me, it would have been nothing to know Edie Sedgwick. Don't mean that as a put down against Edie. She seems to me like she was a genuine person when it came to others, Warhol is another story. She was super sensitive and didn't seem to realize just how beautiful she was, inside and out. Seems she couldn't handle the tragedies of life and ended up becoming one herself. Someone should have stepped in and took her away and just loved the shit out of her...........if it is possible to save someone from themselves, which is the big question one has to ask. But no matter, it's all over now. I hope she is at peace.
+Teresa Gib It is difficult for people who have seen all the footage & Edie's movies to watch Sienna. She didn't capture MANY things about Edie, her mannerisms, way of speaking, & mostly POISE. Edie had a inherent poise even when she was falling apart. However, the script is the WORST. Edie died in California, married, & the only drugs she was taking were prescription. At the time of her death her normal levels of her medication & alcohol were found in her system. She didn't die in NYC strung out. A great deal happened between her "death" in the movie & real life, like the completion of the movie Ciao! Manhattan. The script takes way too many liberties, & it's a shame, because her life was interesting enough without having to Hollywood it up. They should have said at the beginning "A True Story....sort of", like they did with the movie Domino, so people knew it was about a real person, but the story was made up. It's disrespectful to take a few incidents of someone's life, throw them together with a bunch of BS, & have people believe this was this person's life.
I'v seen Edie's movies and I agree with you about how off the script was. My point it's Hollywood, if we are really taken with someone, we are not going to be satisfied (rarely) with what they do to sell a movie, whether it be the portrayal or the production. Domino, a very good point, portrayed by Knightly, Miller's good friend.
But in the beginning of Domino they say, "a true story...sort of"....so you know & expect that Hollywood has taken some liberties. In Gia, most people were satisfied with Jolie's portrayal, although it came no where near telling the whole story or completing Gia, it was in fact, true, with some exaggeration in the relationships, but it did portray Gia truthfully. People BELIEVE Edie died in NYC strung out on heroin & that Warhol caused her downfall, etc! She died in California, married, with her prescription medication her husband gave her nightly & alcohol in her system, after completing Ciao! Manhattan. I could go on all day about the false characters, made up situations, & important factors left out, exaggerations, etc, people who knew Edie were disgusted with the script (w/ the exception of Jonathon, & he wasn't THERE). No one who was there, Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, Bob Neuwirth, John Cale, etc etc/wanted anything to do with this script, calling it crap & threatening to sue. I think both Domino & Gia portrayed both of those deceased with some truth & dignity, while Hollywood seemed to go out of their way to make a movie about a rich girl who gets fame & then is destroyed by it (not even what happened!). I think it's disgusting to portray someone who is deceased to the world in a movie about their life so untruthfully just to make a buck (as Lou Reed said). They managed to do it with Domino, all Hollywood, but still respected her memory. Factory Girl shows all the bad of Edie & none of the charm, why would ANY Edie fan like it?
***** Sorry to go off on Hollywood like that, but there IS a way to portray someone with some dignity & truth who has passed. Edie would have self destructed if she had never gone to NYC. The movie doesn't touch on WHY, just makes her .seem this spoiled brat who went nuts on drugs. I think no one was around to keep the script in check b/c it was in the '60's, unlike "Gia" the '80's, & Domino, who died after filming. In Domino they made no mention of drugs & how she died, b/c the people involved with the movie actually knew & liked the real Domino. With "Gia" her very controlling Mother was present should anything untruthful & ugly be misrepresented. (And like Edie, her life was enough for Hollywood without having to lie). With Edie it was just a few incidents from her life &the rest Hollywood BS, no one involved with that project knew or gave a s**t about Edie, & it really shows in the movie. That's why so many people who knew Edie & so many Edie fans find the movie distasteful. I don't think anyone was putting Sienna down so much as saying Edie was impossible to capture, as Sienna herself stated.
My favorite UA-cam video of Edie, as the people who discuss her actually knew her. You can tell that Richie Berlin, Betsey Johnson and her brother Jonathon really loved her. I would love to meet them someday and share memories
I really want to get this off my chest - As much I admire Bob Dylan,a lyrical genius, he was a cold-hearted,cruel and unkind individual.A very hard one. I guess even after all these years he would never admit his true love for this woman as his most notable songs are about her,a whole album's title was inspired by her. And sorry to the hardcore Dylan fans,but what survived of his whole body of work are precisely "Just like a woman", "Like a rolling stone" and Leopard skin Pillbox hat I am disgusted and appalled at how cruel the lyrics are to the last two and even as Edie has had such a tragic fate - the man she loved doesn't even admit he had a romance with her. How unfair, Bob you will burn in hell for this, you let her go... And you know it,otherwise you wouldn't be so bothered by this movie.
+WalkingSurrealism You are so absolutely right & I am so glad that someone noticed this besides myself! BTW, Like a Rolling Stone is probably the most famous song on Blonde on Blonde, & although it isn't commonly attributed to Edie, if one listens to the words there is no doubt it IS about Edie, & it is the most cruel as well as the most famous song on the album, as you mention but most people do not. Also, her affair with dylan couldn't have lasted more than 3 months without overlapping with her other relationships & DEFINITELY overlapped with his marriage to Sara lownds, which is one of the few things the movie Factory Girl doesn't lie about.
+December Leigh I agree a 100% , definitely a song about her - and he profited by her demise ,watched her fall apart and got rich off of it! To think that she adored him and believed he was going to save her and be with her... What a betrayal!
+December Leigh Dylan was so confused himself, but that doesn't justify the way he USED her ... If Andy used her,at least he acknowledged that it was actually her starring in his movies,he publicly admitted she was inspirational to him. While Dylan just preyed on her vulnerability, slept with her,made her think she was something else and then discarded her as if nothing happened. That's why she gave up eventually,I'm sure. Dylan was conniving,devious ... Why did he take his vengeance for his poverty and background on her,he was blind to the fact that she was actually a victim !!!
So sad, I wish she was still alive today because she was so interesting and had just gotten married when she passed, she may have even started a family. It just seemed she had gotten her life on track. If maybe she didn't have such crappy parents, her life wouldn't be so fucked up. RIP Eddie xx
Wealth corrupts and great wealth corrupts absolutely. There's an error when they say her father committed her in 1968; he died in 1967. The real Edie bio-pic remains to be made.
nothing to do with wealth. many men abuse their families in working class homes. just stop making this an anti capitalist thing. this is to do with men and male power in the family home.
I don’t think bob bylan ruined her . It’s suspect tho how he sued factory girl and how no one can mention them being together . Andy Warhol is a pig. He got LUCKY by meeting people with money , and / or people who brought him money by manipulating them artistically . Smh
Teresa Gib Andy had money, a lot. He was interested in her as a vehicle (because she was young and beautiful, she was a prop) to get his “films” (lol) to Hollywood to get a job as a director in the movies.
So weird that Jonathan admits he wanted to sleep with his sister and feels he should have. Edie was in a sick environment, no matter if it was Cambridge, Manhattan, or Santa Barbara. Michael Post really loved her and cared about her well being. Edie's bio is so sad. Jean Stein and Plimpton composed the most accurate details, but then Jean jumped from a NYC building to her death. Seems like everyone was cursed to a tragic end.
Byron P Penick That's correct, Michael did really love Edie. ... He looked so sad, even into the 90's. .. I used to eat at the same restaurant and the sadness was haunting, and that was before I knew what he'd gone through. ... Her Fat,her and Mother were engaging in (during WWII) an open marriage, with people from the art department at UCSB. ... She simply wasn't his Daughter giving "Fuzzy" a perfect excuse for molestation. .... That man had two sons commit suicide. ... Edie's' death was an accident. .... A situation where one does the usual amount, forgetting that one does not have the tolerance that existed before. ..... Your reading of the whole thing is dead-on. ..... I did not know Jean Stein died that way, so tragic.....
Alison Gaskell Clarke : Very intriguing comments. I sense a certain veracity in your statements, like you have firsthand knowledge of the family dynamics regarding Edie. I find Edie so fascinating and her story ultimately so tragic. I would appreciate any additional details you could share about this eternal “it”girl.
Modernism has two poles -- absurdism and minimalism. In general, the whole Warholian thing was a study in how the absurdism pole can become a disaster. E.S. was like a moth burnt up in the flame of absurdism. BTW, does anyone see the parallels to Audrey Hepburn's Holly Golightly in "Breakfast at Tiffany's?"
Yes. I thought she was Holly Golightly, although Capote said he was inspired by his mother who tried to make herself into a high society lady. She was still not accepted.
Any discussion about Ede Sedgewick immediately veers off into how tragic her life was, and completely misses the point of her beauty, charisma, creativity, and courage.
Bob Dylan was actually pretty pissed about this movie being made. The stated reason from his lawyers was that he didn't appreciate the implication that he indirectly played a part in her eventual death.
"It really didn't affect him" that was regarding Edie's leaving him, but the same could be said of any relationship because he wasn't capable of having one, due to him lack of empathy, nothing regarding other people affected him unless they were HELPING him.
To me it feels like her short life was nothing but sadness.. If the stories of her relationship with her father were true.. I believe her breaking away from the family ranch to make it on her own was to try to became famous and loved to fill the gap she felt she should have had back at home.. She thought Andy warhol was her entry into the world of fame but was disillusioned by the low level of his direction.. She moved onto the country singer because she could see he had what she was longing for the fame and the love... I wonder if she had achieved the fame and stardom she so badly wanted.. That she could have survived anyway. Her life was like a vicious circle with her wanting to be recognised and loved.. And she never felt like she achieved that... But that's only how I see it.. Others may disagree.. But her beauty and vulnerability is what drew a lot of us in and we couldnt help but love her... So maybe she did achieve what she longed for after all
15:41 “She might well have been the first performance artist” OMG these people are so ridiculous and lacking in knowledge of art history. Duchamp was the first performance artist
she was put on drugs to shut her off about his fathers blasphemous behaviors. and edie reflects what other hundreds and thousands of innocent girls go through.
Anyone who introduces people to drugs is a piece of garbage . To introduce and destroy a person with things they’ve never used or picked up on their own is a true monster . The better to take advantage of that person later , perfect setup . The fact that Eddie was shoplifting was as a direct result of her being under the influence ... why would a rich girl even do that she had lots of money . Addiction changes people completely shoplifting is kind of part of the whole scene it seems .
I lost someone to drugs that I loved. No matter how many years go by I still am in pain over it. I don't even have a photo or anything to hold. I am sad.
Sienna played her so good in this film - well impressed - brought Edie back to life and Guy Pearce did the same for Andy Warhol!!! Can't believe I've only just seen this film today!!!
It sure was no biographic movie but it is not entirely fictional. I found they did a good job re-creating the setting, Edie's family and the characters. I don't know if you've read "Edie an american girl." But if you have you'll find that factory girl is really based on it, besides, most of the people interviewed here, are the ones testifying in the book.
How many people watch her "friend", the one woman that seems to be not quite her friend... "I did care about her." Who are you trying to convince, lady? 🙄
I think they put the Sienna pictures because this documentary thingy was on the factory girl dvd, apparently. I think they did a good job with the movie, it does fit her biography, and I also think Sienna did a very decent job, way better than I had expected.
People are very quick to complain about how Andy used people, conveniently forgetting that they used Andy too. If it wasn't for them being in his circle we wouldn't have heard of them.
Fuzzy, her dad, didn’t believe he had any problems, despite being advised to never had children. He had 8 children trying to prove that there was nothing wrong with him. Nearly killed his wife with all the births. He never thought his kids would have problems because he honestly didn’t believe he or his wife had any.
That scene was something special. As a kid I imitated Warhol's superstars. They could not break from his yoke, but Edie did. I think people in the scene didn't know how to handle it and everyone got in over their heads. Even Napoleon in rags, Andy himself
Just fascinating. The whole story of. More importantly than Edie “The Star “💫. But Edie the person. Candy Darling would have been So aware of the steps she reinvented herself in.
There is a world of difference between enjoying the pain of others and being fascinated by it in an impersonal way. That line is usually evident by whether a person inflicts pain (which Andy didn't) or whether they merely gravitate toward darker/tragic subjects. However I have seen nothing to prove that Andy was any more fascinated by pain as he was by any other emotional sensation. If he was attracted to anything, it was drama and flamboyance.
I met guy Pearce , who played Andy in the film before he went to hoolywood as well in my dinner break from school , I was 8 ! xgarethx whitey love you mum
I think if the folks at Vogue had quit worrying about their publication's precious image and said, "This girl can and must be saved!, and then proceeded to do so, she would've lived.
You really need to learn some of the symptoms and characterizations associated with sociopaths, because your diagnosis of Warhol as one is painfully superficial. There is a world of difference between those who are unable to emotionally connect with others and those who usually avoid doing so; the latter are in fact often emotionally hypersensitive. Andy's low self esteem, indecisiveness, inassertiveness, premeditation, behavioral control, and loyalty make him the polar opposite of a sociopath.
She shows up in new York city.. not even all together...on the inside..she needed a real good influence..someone strong to guide her. But she got mixed up with in the end the wrong group...she was ready to burst out into the seen....she was talented and intriguing
When you find a treasure that shines and blinds the world with intuitive elegance and divine beauty, then your perfect star decides to become a severe drug addict, not all their fault exactly, but Andy could not compete with heroine, he knew that. If he wasn't in love with her, he at least elevated her intellect and value, was he cruel to her and not remedial in her struggle, yes he was detached and dismissed her and the addiction, understandably. At the pinnacle of her self destruction, she was filmed with a fake Andy while she was deteriorating and having a nervous breakdown. And yet.....she survives The Factory, she went from socialite to garbage life and survived, it was only when she moved home, back to her "friends and family" when she was directly or indirectly criticized and socially demoted. Then she died
Very interesting. Nothing bad was said about Dylan yet mentioning his name was banned from this docu. Never seen that done before. Were they that afraid of being sued?
that's fascinating that she wanted to shock high society. don't know much about her, i'm here because i'm a huge john cale fan and they were dating but I'm glad I've been introduced to her.
And to think this does not, or has not happened before? I have been around long enough to see abuse, neglect, torture and betrayal. This sad story is another "return to reality," made public by fame, money, fortune and the media. If this story did not have an Andy, (Campbells Soup), Edie, Bob, movies, music and money, no one would have every heard about it! This fits in with Marilyn, the Kennedy's, the Winchesters and so much more. I have met many a family with hideous, genetic and suicidal habits that destroy their offspring and everyone that follows in their foot steps. My guess is the childhood abuse combined with teenage neglect, created a desire for love, recognition and a strong will to be somebody. Unfortunately the atmosphere and crowd that she met, was a continuation of the miserable youth she left. Then realizing it is all the same, she took the easy way out. She ran to a dream that was no better than the live she left. Personally as a 12 year old, Edie was flat, thin, skinny and appeared used up. I could see that before puberty. Her energy was faltering as Andy didnt give a hoot, searching for others only made the effort worse. Now I lay me down to sleep was the last think she knew she could achieve. Shame to stick needles in your arm, God Bless...
Am I the on that realizes that this movie is INSANELY inaccurate with the facts of all involved? Edie met Quinn (Dylan) "the Hack" WAAAAYYYYY before she even met Warhol. This movie as everything in Hollywood "stylizes" facts in order to sell pompous bloated over ratted lil rich kids and "intellectual" artsy types into Supposed genius of a generation. Selma is very good in it along with Pierce. Dont get me wrong. But the true story is far more interesting.
Enough of putting each other down and calling each other names! None of you ever knew Edie so get a life. Leave the poor woman rest in peace as well as Andy Warhol. My god you people talk as if you personally knew the people when you dam well know that you know nothing of what your're all saying. Mind your own business people. Your own lives our more important than people who are dead now.
I don't believe in name calling either, but there are people who have read up on Edie's life, then there are idiots who believe Factory Girl happened. Yes, I said idiots. I loved the movie Domino, but it made me curious about the real Domino Harvey, & guess what? Nothing in the movie was accurate but a very few tiny facts thrown in. This is true of almost all movies based on people, but if people whose only knowledge of Edie is Factory Girl start making erroneous conclusions about who she was & what she did, there is a lot of info they are wrong, being judgmental, rude, & harsh.....& there ARE well documented facts about her life, she's dead, so who's there to correct this? Some people feel the need to stand up for someone who can't stand up for themselves.
Domino Harvey died right after filming wrapped, & Edie died after Ciao! Manhattan was completed & never saw the completed movie. Domino died of a fentanyl overdose, the cause of Edie's death is not entirely clear, yet people love to hate on Edie because Factory Girl made her look so bad. No one who knew her well could stand the movie. Domino's movie erred on the side of making her look much better. She didn't really model or look like Kiera Knightly. While Sienna is very beautiful, she looks nothing like Edie except they are both thin, to anyone who knew what Edie looked like before watching FG. She was married & clean from drugs when she died, in CA, not NYC, nor did Warhol have anything to do with her death. The movie implies he did. Edie came from an aristocratic background, but more than anything she was a survivor.
***** I think Andy makes a good target, passive & generally very quiet. I think he made some questionable choices that may have hurt Edie & others, however, it stemmed from his own issues, not his going out of his way to be mean. A lot of Edie fans don't realize that Dylan did much more harm to Edie by immortalizing her in songs like "Like a Rolling Stone" "Just Like a Woman"....almost all of Blonde on Blonde, & none of these songs are remotely flattering! And he didn't even name her publicly as his muse for that album, although the songs are clearly about her. "You shouldn't let others get your kicks for you" is directly about Dylans take on Warhol making movies like Beauty #2 about Edie, the movie digs into Edie's personal problems (presumably for entertainment purposes) but the irony is that Dylan did the exact same thing. People definitely hate on Warhol a lot more than he deserves, in Edie's biography he is portrayed as a very cold abusive person. but as I said, Dylan used Edie as much if not more than Warhol, & no one puts any blame on him. The movie Factory Girl portrayed both Edie & Warhol very unfairly. while glamorizing the most destructive relationship (Dylan) & ignoring the most important one (Bob Neuwirth, Dylan's right hand man), which accounts for the bitterness Dylan had towards Edie.
December Leigh And no one should blame him, according to Dylan and Neuwirth, Dylan barley had anything to do with Edie. There's no way of knowing what or who his songs are about. Like A Rolling Stone was written and released months before her down fall. " The movie Factory Girl portrayed both Edie & Warhol very unfairly. while glamorizing the most destructive relationship (Dylan) & ignoring the most important one (Bob Neuwirth, Dylan's right hand man), which accounts for the bitterness Dylan had towards Edie." Um, Dylan didn't write the movie. The writers choose Dylan over Neuwrirth because Dylan's an icon and Bobby Neuwrith is well Bobby Neuwirth.
I truly appreciate what Warhol did with the art scene. Incredible. But it’s his films that things get muddy I feel. There were some great ones but the whole scene became a circus that marred his name. He was totally incapable of being caring. It was just him. When Edie died, the scrutiny was too much. I wish the cat story was explored more as that is much more fascinating than his boyfriends and what they might have done. Interesting but a complete waste of time when you’re talking about the guy who had the balls to present a soup can as art. I feel like they just trashed him in this film. But I think he thought the same thing when the book came out.
I thought this was supposed to be "the real Edie"- they got the story down, but most of the photos are of Sienna. I was surprised that Edie's brother made the comment that they looked alike. I mean, they dressed her like her, but their faces are so completely different. Their voices as well. I still enjoyed the film, but Sienna seemed like a caricature of the real thing. A lovely woman in her own right, but I don't think she was the best choice for this role.
Something many people don't understand about asking for help when you come from an abusive family... what's the point? Why ask for help when it will be denied anyway? After so much betrayal and abandonment, asking for help doesn't even cross one's mind. It's not always that help isn't needed or about pride. Too often, it's about self preservation and avoiding humiliation.
Have asked and begged to be put into trauma therapy here and there over the past 20yrs and have been let down every single time until I give up again. They want you to jump through hoops when you barely have the energy to shower.
Sometimes the only way to get help for the emotional is to make it physical.
@Deez Cheney been there, how are you at the moment?
Perfectly said friend 🥺
Stay quiet don't blame the family ever Ever
Probably the best quote I have ever heard: “ disastrously damaged and beautiful thing”.
I want that on my tombstone TY
Sounds like the the bio of my life so far haha.
@@lauraanne5175 You see yourself as beautiful? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
@@toriglenn3506 I wonder how different life would be if everyone believed they were beautiful
I don´t like it. I hate it when people call women "thing". I never hear it about men.
Since I was a kid in 1965, I knew I was influenced by the British Invasion, but when I saw this film I was struck with the fact that I had a little leopard print fur cap, the wrap around sunglasses, the EXACT black and white pilgrim shoes seen early in the movie. She was an influence I didn't even know about.
We rightly condemn and imprison parents who kill their own children, but some children take much longer to die and the parents get off scot free.
When he found out a friend committed suicide he said "Why didn't he tell us? We could have filmed it". Then later "I wonder when Edie will commit suicide? I hope she tells us so we can film it" He enjoyed other's pain (Beauty #2) He thought Edie would make him famous in Hollywood as a filmmaker, he said he was quitting Art on the only interview on TV of them I know of, & when he saw she wasn't stable enough, he dropped her, after spending her money, using her status to elevate his, etc
Yeah and he damn well tried to get it on tape with that awful exploitative film they made of her when she was practically nodded out/stimming from barbiturates and the whole thing at the time.
But in that single interview of them together he does say no emotion goes into his art at all.
But as someone who is rather emotionally aloof I experienced a suicide of a long term partner- and its created a hole in me.
Could he have been denying the emotion? Turning it to humor because he didn't want to feel?
@@miasmatik It seems as if he saw others as objects more than people, including himself and turning himself into a product to sell. He always appeared quite emotionless, but not in that stoic way in a more narcissistic sociopath type way.
He loved different people but only CERTAIN types of different- he was in no way a lover of people but a collector as s if they were taking place for his comics. As if he wanted to surround himself with people who satiated his needs and would indulge others to fulfill that need.
Idk though never finished my Psych degree and only going by the moderate info I have on him.
I think AW was extremely insecure and used other people as crutches, as shields and as ladders. I don´t think he had feelings towards them. I also think he was extremely lonely on the inside.
I hate that despicable AW. A pathological narcissist, a woyeur fanatic of transgression, pain and other people's vices. His "art" is fake, bogus and completely useless. He destroyed the lives of many underprivileged young people with the excuse of making them famous. The New York of the American dream is just as hell now as a battlefield 50-60 years ago.
Warhol did that with the others too. Edie obviously didn't do as well afterwards.
I believe many people have much to answer for in regards to their treatment of Edie. Some people were obviously jealous of her breathtaking beauty and unsurpassed charm. Some were likely envious of her social standing and families wealth. Some probably even sought revenge for real or perceived slights or wrongs committed by Edie. She was far from perfect, and had many shortcomings...as we all do. However, she deserved better treatment than she received from many. I am not sure Edie ever received the “unconditional” love many of us take for granted. It seems that Edie instead received a lot of conditional love and support ...(e.g. “I will support you as long as you do this”, or “I will love you as long as you act this way”). We ALL need people in our lives who will love us without conditions being placed....unconditional love is what she lacked the most in her life, in my very humble opinion. Her life should have gone so differently.
Edie, you will always be a Superstar to me. ❤️
Edie is to me a symbol of every beautiful, unloved, ambitious, and ultimately neglected young woman to ever flee the tyranny of their families for the quixotic Paper Moon that fame can be. Her charisma and style were great starting points, but those two qualities are only a small part of the package one needs to find lasting success and survival in the world of New York City.
Well said
what's a paper moon? like a fake fantasy? was she not loved by john cale?
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 - There was an element of all the people in the Factory crowd that Warhol would deliver them from obscurity to relevance or importance. Edie from what I understand had endured a somewhat cold family upbringing and perhaps she found a new family in the Warhol milieu. I have no idea how she was treated by VU in particular but I’m sure there was plenty of sexual musical chairs going on. What is important about seeking success and fame is that it inevitably brings hangers on. Was she really a superstar? That was subjective and fairly hard to say. Andy was a trailblazer and self sufficient on his own. Like Edie, he needed some kind of support team and allies yet he was not universally loved and accepted at that time. To some, he was never a true fine artist. Yet, looking back now he created work that people treasure and collect, so in his own time he was just an enigma to many. Actors like painters need patrons or true believers in their talents. Andy could hustle commercial art and do well. Edie could have probably just modeled and done ok. The moment you aspire to be something more you run into the waiting game of history to be the judge. Now Edie seems like a precious and frail persona doing all she could to be more than just marginal. Ultimately all fame is just an ephemeral game, just like youth and beauty. Since Andy did not have beauty to fall back on all he had were his wits. Edie did like so many (Nico, Marianne Faithful) and just threw all to the wind and just went with drugs. Drugs they say speed up what would have happened anyway but bring it all into a fast track to oblivion. There was nothing for her to fight for ultimately except survival in a sometimes unforgiving world of critics, moral judges, and the generally cynical people of New York? I can’t generalize New Yorkers as all cynical but it sure seems like a pretty competitive and difficult place to be vulnerable as she was.
@@owenwilberforce6138 man you sure know how to write
reading that was like poetry and art, thank you
It's really sad how much potential Edie had. It's not hard to see that a lot of people she surrounded herself were in away jealous of her. I feel Edie was the person Warhol wished he was. He was very ungrateful to her. Had she not had so many problems I feel like she could of been a huge megastar. A lot of stuff for me don't make sense. I feel that she didn't really have any person in her life that protected her. I was reading up on how she died and I can't help to feel that maybe her husband had something to do with it. So much mystery that surrounds her death. She suffered so much.
Adozen Finders
She was everything he wanted to be. Rich, glamorous, fabulous. He wasn't any of those things.
Who wants that.nyou know what u have to do... To be a MEGA STAR.. research
Exactly you've nailed it. In his world he and she were twins,,,silver hair and that,,,, twisted little man,,his alter feminine ego
She could have been a star and had the same end. Like Marilyn. Stardom is what exactly? Do they seem happy? Used to laugh when people said poor little rich girl thinking they were ungrateful but a lot of them had awful, abusive families. Better to have a loving family. Andy seemed like a thoroughly nasty man
Video has people talking about Eddie Sedgwick but then each snippet of Eddie herself is actually Sienna Miller playing her? How odd and confusing. "She was so beautiful" and then they show Miller who looks different than Sedgwick.
+mrspeckpigeon Sienna definitely did not capture the duality in Edie & her intense fragility in combination with her love for the camera. However, to capture Edie completely would be like catching air.
The casting was all wrong. Sienna Miller just doesn't capture Edie Sedgewicks je ne sais quoi.
@MrJosCHEWa
Absolutely. Miller looks just like Sedgewick, hence her being cast. As far as the acting goes, it's a complete joke. Edie's memory needs to be respected. Yes, she had her problems and issues, but this travesty of a film did not does do her justice at all.
Btw, it's Edie, not Eddie.
Love how they're talking about how wonderful Edie was. And I know that they ripped her apart behind her back.that poor girl they all used her for what ever thy could get.and they all did drugs
Jonathan! Have you written a book? Eight children and your the only surviving son? Incredible!
Like Fuzzy said, "Andy Worhol is nothing more than a print maker." I don't understand why he was celebrated for stealing branding.
Ditto. Hate him
Nothing wrong with printmakers. What an elitist and misinformed statement. I knew lots of excellent artists who were and sill are "just printmakers"
Okay, Warhol's approach was inspired by the Dadaists, many of whom used appropriated imagery. Look at Duchamp, Cornwell, Kurt Schwitters just to name a few. It is a TRADITION that was established long before Warhol was making his art. Also look up Raushenberg
He knows why.
He was very exploiting of those around him, Warhol was. I don't consider screen prints as art especially when it's a Campbell soup can.
she should have been west coast with Ken Keasy, the merry pranksters and the Grateful dead. Less fame yes, but more life and real love that she craved.
You're probably right
yes yes, a hundred times yes.
Satanic vampires or CIA affiliates
Real love? At least one of those Prankster guys left a family behind. Wife and baby. Their motto was "never trust a prankster."
Yea shove a bunch of LSD into her with a gang of mentally damaged people. That a great west coast solution.
Edie was rich enough to get lots of attention but didn't want it from the sorts of people she was expected to be around. While it can be fun for a minute to be around upper class folks (who think they are better than the rest), it's not a good life for those who value authenticity and humility. Edie wasn't able to be tamed to live that life, and had a strong desire to make her own way, so she tried to do it ...with a leash around her neck.
She may have been trapped psychologically, but it's nice she had brief opportunities to just be Edie. Her dancing makes me think of a great inner celebration of breaking out of a jello type mold. Shaking it all off and daring to just be...free. Music is healing and she demonstrated that beautifully. I wish she could have lived to complete the work she started.
everyone wants to watch a beautiful young woman full of potential destroy herself, it makes them feel better about their own shortcomings in life
I wouldnt say everybody now.....
99%
men especially love to destroy women
Another mind reader😂
It is sad what happens to some people. Her wealth aside, she was a fractured human. Seeking approval any way possible, putting her self-worth into what others thought of her. It happens all the time. These people are special and when nurtured can be magnificent. I knew a person like that, horrid family, horrid childhood but simply wonderful to behold. His joy for life and beauty were so contagious that other people wanted to be a part of it, but they didn't understand his way of thinking and would end up using him and moving on. All he ever wanted was love, something he didn't get at home. His family was cold and detached. Her never spent Christmas or birthdays with them past the age of 3. They were positively dreadful to him and eventually he ended his life.
Maaaaaaaaaaaan
Edie had so much going for her. *_She was used and thrown away by Andy Warhol, and Bob Dylan really Broken Her Heart. Yes, her Father was a Sadistic Paranoid Schizophrenic and her Mother folded under the pressure and Abuse; 2 Older Brothers horrifically Committed Suicide before that... But SHE MADE IT TO THE TOP. The IT Girl of 1965. In the End, she couldn't bear a "Regular Lifr", and Ended The Pain. Too Giving To Live, Too Beautiful To Die._* She was only 28 and Looked so bad. Had she not been hurt and Lived, she would have remained a Superstar. I Will Always Love, Adore, And Feeling For Edie.
+Desi Chiffon
What you are saying I can tell you is all true, Dylan's still mean, full of himself also. Sadly had I known while having to deal with him at a show he's lucky I didn't know what I finally do now, Warhol as well!
Zen JDM : I adore Edie. I have written something special in her memory, I would like to share with you. Please let me know if you would care to read it. Thank you
John D. I'd love to read something special in her memory. :)
John D. Well I’d love to see & read your take on whatever you have written on Edie... curious to know what u wrote 😉✌🏼
Sounds like incest with with brothers and daughter by father. No way 3 siblings kill themselves unless it's a very dark secret.
Btw, the VU song Femme Fatale was written about Edie as well. I don't think she likes being just a muse
I find myself longing for her, she was an angel , and she was unattainable
When I was small I loved to draw and piant, my mother sore this in me and sent me to all the best art galleries in London so I got to inhale all this art and Andy wohol was one of my favourite, now I write and paint and photography, I have been tormented in addiction, but I'm not jaded, ? . but thanks mum for the inspiration. love you xx garethxwhitex x
Alison White Francis Bacon and Richard Hamilton?
often imitated, never duplicated
She was so intriguing and authentically beautiful .
Edie- the saddest and prettiest girl. The first influencer. 40 years before Paris Hilton.
At least Paris family seems to care somewhat
Many people have much to answer for in their treatment of Edie Sedgwick during her all too short life. Call it karma, or what you will, eventually all of us answer for how we have treated others I believe.
I wonder where were all this people when she was in such trouble??
She had left NY towards the end of the life and spent a fair bit of time in institutions
At Doctor Roberts's office getting shot up with speed.
I'm sick of all the comments about how Sienna Miller didn't do her justice. Not saying Sienna is a great actress (yet) but she is a fine actress. I don't think she quite captured Edie's vulnerability, but overall, she did a very good job and DID resemble Edie, although even that is irrelevant. Michelle Williams didn't look much like Monroe, but she captured her essence and did a great job in 'My Week with Marilyn." Same thing here with Sienna Miller. I think some of you are such die hard fans of Edie that no one but Edie herself would be acceptable to you up there on the screen. And I am sure Sam Green did know Edie. He may exaggerate some, but he came from a very rich family and was very involved in the art world. This guy became a close companion of Garbo in her later years. If he had access to the inside of Greta Garbo's apartment, trust me, it would have been nothing to know Edie Sedgwick. Don't mean that as a put down against Edie. She seems to me like she was a genuine person when it came to others, Warhol is another story. She was super sensitive and didn't seem to realize just how beautiful she was, inside and out. Seems she couldn't handle the tragedies of life and ended up becoming one herself. Someone should have stepped in and took her away and just loved the shit out of her...........if it is possible to save someone from themselves, which is the big question one has to ask. But no matter, it's all over now. I hope she is at peace.
***** Sienna was great
+Teresa Gib It is difficult for people who have seen all the footage & Edie's movies to watch Sienna. She didn't capture MANY things about Edie, her mannerisms, way of speaking, & mostly POISE. Edie had a inherent poise even when she was falling apart. However, the script is the WORST. Edie died in California, married, & the only drugs she was taking were prescription. At the time of her death her normal levels of her medication & alcohol were found in her system. She didn't die in NYC strung out. A great deal happened between her "death" in the movie & real life, like the completion of the movie Ciao! Manhattan. The script takes way too many liberties, & it's a shame, because her life was interesting enough without having to Hollywood it up. They should have said at the beginning "A True Story....sort of", like they did with the movie Domino, so people knew it was about a real person, but the story was made up. It's disrespectful to take a few incidents of someone's life, throw them together with a bunch of BS, & have people believe this was this person's life.
I'v seen Edie's movies and I agree with you about how off the script was. My point it's Hollywood, if we are really taken with someone, we are not going to be satisfied (rarely) with what they do to sell a movie, whether it be the portrayal or the production. Domino, a very good point, portrayed by Knightly, Miller's good friend.
But in the beginning of Domino they say, "a true story...sort of"....so you know & expect that Hollywood has taken some liberties. In Gia, most people were satisfied with Jolie's portrayal, although it came no where near telling the whole story or completing Gia, it was in fact, true, with some exaggeration in the relationships, but it did portray Gia truthfully. People BELIEVE Edie died in NYC strung out on heroin & that Warhol caused her downfall, etc! She died in California, married, with her prescription medication her husband gave her nightly & alcohol in her system, after completing Ciao! Manhattan. I could go on all day about the false characters, made up situations, & important factors left out, exaggerations, etc, people who knew Edie were disgusted with the script (w/ the exception of Jonathon, & he wasn't THERE). No one who was there, Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, Bob Neuwirth, John Cale, etc etc/wanted anything to do with this script, calling it crap & threatening to sue. I think both Domino & Gia portrayed both of those deceased with some truth & dignity, while Hollywood seemed to go out of their way to make a movie about a rich girl who gets fame & then is destroyed by it (not even what happened!). I think it's disgusting to portray someone who is deceased to the world in a movie about their life so untruthfully just to make a buck (as Lou Reed said). They managed to do it with Domino, all Hollywood, but still respected her memory. Factory Girl shows all the bad of Edie & none of the charm, why would ANY Edie fan like it?
***** Sorry to go off on Hollywood like that, but there IS a way to portray someone with some dignity & truth who has passed. Edie would have self destructed if she had never gone to NYC. The movie doesn't touch on WHY, just makes her .seem this spoiled brat who went nuts on drugs. I think no one was around to keep the script in check b/c it was in the '60's, unlike "Gia" the '80's, & Domino, who died after filming. In Domino they made no mention of drugs & how she died, b/c the people involved with the movie actually knew & liked the real Domino. With "Gia" her very controlling Mother was present should anything untruthful & ugly be misrepresented. (And like Edie, her life was enough for Hollywood without having to lie). With Edie it was just a few incidents from her life &the rest Hollywood BS, no one involved with that project knew or gave a s**t about Edie, & it really shows in the movie. That's why so many people who knew Edie & so many Edie fans find the movie distasteful. I don't think anyone was putting Sienna down so much as saying Edie was impossible to capture, as Sienna herself stated.
My favorite UA-cam video of Edie, as the people who discuss her actually knew her. You can tell that Richie Berlin, Betsey Johnson and her brother Jonathon really loved her. I would love to meet them someday and share memories
I really want to get this off my chest -
As much I admire Bob Dylan,a lyrical genius, he was a cold-hearted,cruel and unkind individual.A very hard one. I guess even after all these years he would never admit his true love for this woman as his most notable songs are about her,a whole album's title was inspired by her. And sorry to the hardcore Dylan fans,but what survived of his whole body of work are precisely "Just like a woman", "Like a rolling stone" and Leopard skin Pillbox hat
I am disgusted and appalled at how cruel the lyrics are to the last two and even as Edie has had such a tragic fate - the man she loved doesn't even admit he had a romance with her. How unfair, Bob you will burn in hell for this, you let her go... And you know it,otherwise you wouldn't be so bothered by this movie.
+WalkingSurrealism You are so absolutely right & I am so glad that someone noticed this besides myself! BTW, Like a Rolling Stone is probably the most famous song on Blonde on Blonde, & although it isn't commonly attributed to Edie, if one listens to the words there is no doubt it IS about Edie, & it is the most cruel as well as the most famous song on the album, as you mention but most people do not. Also, her affair with dylan couldn't have lasted more than 3 months without overlapping with her other relationships & DEFINITELY overlapped with his marriage to Sara lownds, which is one of the few things the movie Factory Girl doesn't lie about.
+December Leigh Sir, check your facts: LARS was on Highway 61 not BOB!
Roderick McLean I think you meant to respond to someone else, I do not know what you are talking about! And am not a Sir :)
+December Leigh I agree a 100% , definitely a song about her - and he profited by her demise ,watched her fall apart and got rich off of it! To think that she adored him and believed he was going to save her and be with her... What a betrayal!
+December Leigh Dylan was so confused himself, but that doesn't justify the way he USED her ... If Andy used her,at least he acknowledged that it was actually her starring in his movies,he publicly admitted she was inspirational to him. While Dylan just preyed on her vulnerability, slept with her,made her think she was something else and then discarded her as if nothing happened. That's why she gave up eventually,I'm sure. Dylan was conniving,devious ... Why did he take his vengeance for his poverty and background on her,he was blind to the fact that she was actually a victim !!!
So sad, I wish she was still alive today because she was so interesting and had just gotten married when she passed, she may have even started a family. It just seemed she had gotten her life on track. If maybe she didn't have such crappy parents, her life wouldn't be so fucked up. RIP Eddie xx
Totally awesome video
Thanks for sharing this I just loved & enjoyed this,🖤💚💙💜 May Edie & Warhol be at peace wherever they may be 🕯🕊🕊
Sienna is a class act. I thought she did a great job in a demanding role.
Wealth corrupts and great wealth corrupts absolutely. There's an error when they say her father committed her in 1968; he died in 1967. The real Edie bio-pic remains to be made.
power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
nothing to do with wealth. many men abuse their families in working class homes. just stop making this an anti capitalist thing. this is to do with men and male power in the family home.
I don’t think bob bylan ruined her . It’s suspect tho how he sued factory girl and how no one can mention them being together . Andy Warhol is a pig. He got LUCKY by meeting people with money , and / or people who brought him money by manipulating them artistically . Smh
you mean kween ?
Bob seems like a typical dick to me. basically I'll help out but not too much.
If she hadn't been a beautiful socialite, Andy would not have been interested in her.
So true.
Patricia Johnson you left out the word "rich".
Teresa Gib socialite implies that she has money
Teresa Gib Andy had money, a lot. He was interested in her as a vehicle (because she was young and beautiful, she was a prop) to get his “films” (lol) to Hollywood to get a job as a director in the movies.
Exactly. “Hmm, old money and lots of it. And better yet , a real needy head case. Hmm...”
So weird that Jonathan admits he wanted to sleep with his sister and feels he should have. Edie was in a sick environment, no matter if it was Cambridge, Manhattan, or Santa Barbara. Michael Post really loved her and cared about her well being. Edie's bio is so sad. Jean Stein and Plimpton composed the most accurate details, but then Jean jumped from a NYC building to her death. Seems like everyone was cursed to a tragic end.
Byron P Penick That's correct, Michael did really love Edie. ... He looked so sad, even into the 90's. .. I used to eat at the same restaurant and the sadness was haunting, and that was before I knew what he'd gone through. ... Her Fat,her and Mother were engaging in (during WWII) an open marriage, with people from the art department at UCSB. ... She simply wasn't his Daughter giving "Fuzzy" a perfect excuse for molestation. .... That man had two sons commit suicide. ... Edie's' death was an accident. .... A situation where one does the usual amount, forgetting that one does not have the tolerance that existed before. ..... Your reading of the whole thing is dead-on. ..... I did not know Jean Stein died that way, so tragic.....
Alison Gaskell Clarke i’ve never heard of her parents and Michael having an open marriage! could you verify that?
Alison Gaskell Clarke: Vvery intriguing comments. You appear to have
Alison Gaskell Clarke : Very intriguing comments. I sense a certain veracity in your statements, like you have firsthand knowledge of the family dynamics regarding Edie. I find Edie so fascinating and her story ultimately so tragic. I would appreciate any additional details you could share about this eternal “it”girl.
When did Johnathan say that? I never heard that he wanted to bang his sister.
Modernism has two poles -- absurdism and minimalism. In general, the whole Warholian thing was a study in how the absurdism pole can become a disaster. E.S. was like a moth burnt up in the flame of absurdism. BTW, does anyone see the parallels to Audrey Hepburn's Holly Golightly in "Breakfast at Tiffany's?"
Yes. I thought she was Holly Golightly, although Capote said he was inspired by his mother who tried to make herself into a high society lady. She was still not accepted.
Any discussion about Ede Sedgewick immediately veers off into how tragic her life was, and completely misses the point of her beauty, charisma, creativity, and courage.
Bob Dylan was actually pretty pissed about this movie being made. The stated reason from his lawyers was that he didn't appreciate the implication that he indirectly played a part in her eventual death.
Dylan didn't want to be associated with someone he was never associated with.
"It really didn't affect him" that was regarding Edie's leaving him, but the same could be said of any relationship because he wasn't capable of having one, due to him lack of empathy, nothing regarding other people affected him unless they were HELPING him.
To me it feels like her short life was nothing but sadness.. If the stories of her relationship with her father were true.. I believe her breaking away from the family ranch to make it on her own was to try to became famous and loved to fill the gap she felt she should have had back at home.. She thought Andy warhol was her entry into the world of fame but was disillusioned by the low level of his direction.. She moved onto the country singer because she could see he had what she was longing for the fame and the love... I wonder if she had achieved the fame and stardom she so badly wanted.. That she could have survived anyway. Her life was like a vicious circle with her wanting to be recognised and loved.. And she never felt like she achieved that... But that's only how I see it.. Others may disagree.. But her beauty and vulnerability is what drew a lot of us in and we couldnt help but love her... So maybe she did achieve what she longed for after all
Edie's brother Jonathon has the same coloured eyes as her 'the colour of a twice frozen Hershey chocolate bar'.
And Kyra Sedgwick has the same eyes. The genes are really strong in the Sedgwick family.
If you're interested in a more realistic picture of Ms. Sedgwick
Read the book.
15:41 “She might well have been the first performance artist” OMG these people are so ridiculous and lacking in knowledge of art history. Duchamp was the first performance artist
Preach
Duchamp made a urinal into a sculpture, hardly 'high art'. Dont be a dick.
No Vlad D. Impaler aka Dracula was ..
@@putridpeasant No, Any Clown Jester was..
she was a talentless rich face.
she was put on drugs to shut her off about his fathers blasphemous behaviors. and edie reflects what other hundreds and thousands of innocent girls go through.
“Put on drugs” - way to take agency away from her completely. She was an adult human. Not a child
Anyone who introduces people to drugs is a piece of garbage . To introduce and destroy a person with things they’ve never used or picked up on their own is a true monster . The better to take advantage of that person later , perfect setup . The fact that Eddie was shoplifting was as a direct result of her being under the influence ... why would a rich girl even do that she had lots of money . Addiction changes people completely shoplifting is kind of part of the whole scene it seems .
I lost someone to drugs that I loved. No matter how many years go by I still am in pain over it. I don't even have a photo or anything to hold. I am sad.
Beautiful Edie!
Her older brother is very insightful.
I think that was her youngest brother. Her two older brothers committed suicide. He also mentioned how she was his babysitter when he was growing up.
And thus a song about her by the Cult. CIAO EDIE
That's the very 1st mention of the cult And their song that I've seen on here. Kudos sir!!
Sienna played her so good in this film - well impressed - brought Edie back to life and Guy Pearce did the same for Andy Warhol!!! Can't believe I've only just seen this film today!!!
I was so drawn into the mystique of Edie Sedgwick. ...Love you Edie
It sure was no biographic movie but it is not entirely fictional. I found they did a good job re-creating the setting, Edie's family and the characters. I don't know if you've read "Edie an american girl." But if you have you'll find that factory girl is really based on it, besides, most of the people interviewed here, are the ones testifying in the book.
Hooverphonic - Jacky Cane...sounds very familisir to Edie... songline... "the only flower in a concrete garden" wow Miss Berlin, you nailed it. 28:08
How many people watch her "friend", the one woman that seems to be not quite her friend... "I did care about her." Who are you trying to convince, lady? 🙄
Andy warhol was a freak. Edie was such a beautiful, fragile girl.
He was definitely an oddball.
She was too. A rich, spoiled, annoying, obnoxious, demanding, unreliable self absorbed beautiful disaster.
not just bob dylan..pratically everybody used her...Andy Warhol in my oppinion was the worst by far..
@Miel De abejas Are you speaking of Bob Dylan?
@Miel De abejas Andy Warhol and Edie's father destroyed her. Where the Hell are you getting your information?!
Yes even bob did used her. Its just super sad and tragic.
I think they put the Sienna pictures because this documentary thingy was on the factory girl dvd, apparently. I think they did a good job with the movie, it does fit her biography, and I also think Sienna did a very decent job, way better than I had expected.
People are very quick to complain about how Andy used people, conveniently forgetting that they used Andy too. If it wasn't for them being in his circle we wouldn't have heard of them.
She was terribly mismanaged. But drug use often leads to people taking advantage.
For safe keeping, they probably just used Billy Quinn since that was the name they used for Dylan in the film.
🏎️ Amazing film 🏄♂️
Who cares about breeding, fine family or history when all the kids went nuts?
They cared about her money, maybe.
Fuzzy, her dad, didn’t believe he had any problems, despite being advised to never had children. He had 8 children trying to prove that there was nothing wrong with him. Nearly killed his wife with all the births. He never thought his kids would have problems because he honestly didn’t believe he or his wife had any.
@@crimsonenklover5865 She didn't have as much as you would think. She had like 650k after her grandmother but was broke after few years
Even thought there's not that much footage of edie i like this,because it's about the real people who knew her and not what happened in the movie.
I have never found anything distinguished about a lawyer or a politician !
Edie stop making me cry
That scene was something special. As a kid I imitated Warhol's superstars. They could not break from his yoke, but Edie did. I think people in the scene didn't know how to handle it and everyone got in over their heads. Even Napoleon in rags, Andy himself
Just fascinating. The whole story of. More importantly than Edie “The Star “💫. But Edie the person.
Candy Darling would have been So aware of the steps she reinvented herself in.
Warhol vile insidious individual. His art held my attention for 15 minutes.
I can relate to Edie's life.
There is a world of difference between enjoying the pain of others and being fascinated by it in an impersonal way. That line is usually evident by whether a person inflicts pain (which Andy didn't) or whether they merely gravitate toward darker/tragic subjects. However I have seen nothing to prove that Andy was any more fascinated by pain as he was by any other emotional sensation. If he was attracted to anything, it was drama and flamboyance.
Gerard hasn't just survived, but still looks cool.
Parallel to Gia?
Why are they showing so much more of Sienna Miller and not the real Edie Sedgwick?
Vc não teria o filme factory girl dublado ou legendado em portugues BR?
I met guy Pearce , who played Andy in the film before he went to hoolywood as well in my dinner break from school , I was 8 ! xgarethx whitey love you mum
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Sienna Miller became Edie Sedgwick and Guy Pearce Warhol
I think if the folks at Vogue had quit worrying about their publication's precious image and said, "This girl can and must be saved!, and then proceeded to do so, she would've lived.
too damaged - like a broken vase
Can't blame Vogue....for her family's flaws.....
what a f----- up family! poor Edie! Glad the brother was candid.--that takes courage
Ela merece homenagem da música Edite Ciao Babe do The Cult música linda para uma mulher linda
Greatest documentary ever! So many cool facts
You really need to learn some of the symptoms and characterizations associated with sociopaths, because your diagnosis of Warhol as one is painfully superficial. There is a world of difference between those who are unable to emotionally connect with others and those who usually avoid doing so; the latter are in fact often emotionally hypersensitive. Andy's low self esteem, indecisiveness, inassertiveness, premeditation, behavioral control, and loyalty make him the polar opposite of a sociopath.
She shows up in new York city.. not even all together...on the inside..she needed a real good influence..someone strong to guide her. But she got mixed up with in the end the wrong group...she was ready to burst out into the seen....she was talented and intriguing
When you find a treasure that shines and blinds the world with intuitive elegance and divine beauty,
then your perfect star decides to become a severe drug addict, not all their fault exactly, but Andy could not compete with heroine, he knew that.
If he wasn't in love with her, he at least elevated her intellect and value, was he cruel to her and not remedial in her struggle, yes he was detached and dismissed her and the addiction, understandably. At the pinnacle of her self destruction, she was filmed with a fake Andy while she was deteriorating and having a nervous breakdown. And yet.....she survives The Factory, she went from socialite to garbage life and survived, it was only when she moved home, back to her "friends and family" when she was directly or indirectly criticized and socially demoted. Then she died
Very interesting. Nothing bad was said about Dylan yet mentioning his name was banned from this docu. Never seen that done before. Were they that afraid of being sued?
27:30 - 27:53 absolutely heart breaking...
that's fascinating that she wanted to shock high society. don't know much about her, i'm here because i'm a huge john cale fan and they were dating but I'm glad I've been introduced to her.
And to think this does not, or has not happened before? I have been around long enough to see abuse, neglect, torture and betrayal. This sad story is another "return to reality," made public by fame, money, fortune and the media. If this story did not have an Andy, (Campbells Soup), Edie, Bob, movies, music and money, no one would have every heard about it! This fits in with Marilyn, the Kennedy's, the Winchesters and so much more. I have met many a family with hideous, genetic and suicidal habits that destroy their offspring and everyone that follows in their foot steps. My guess is the childhood abuse combined with teenage neglect, created a desire for love, recognition and a strong will to be somebody. Unfortunately the atmosphere and crowd that she met, was a continuation of the miserable youth she left. Then realizing it is all the same, she took the easy way out. She ran to a dream that was no better than the live she left. Personally as a 12 year old, Edie was flat, thin, skinny and appeared used up. I could see that before puberty. Her energy was faltering as Andy didnt give a hoot, searching for others only made the effort worse. Now I lay me down to sleep was the last think she knew she could achieve. Shame to stick needles in your arm, God Bless...
Am I the on that realizes that this movie is INSANELY inaccurate with the facts of all involved? Edie met Quinn (Dylan) "the Hack" WAAAAYYYYY before she even met Warhol. This movie as everything in Hollywood "stylizes" facts in order to sell pompous bloated over ratted lil rich kids and "intellectual" artsy types into Supposed genius of a generation. Selma is very good in it along with Pierce. Dont get me wrong. But the true story is far more interesting.
please help me with this " anybody knows the song between 10:30 - 12:13 ??????
Would it be fair to say she was mentally ill?
" Ich bin das Licht der Welt. Wer mir nachfolgt, wird nicht wandeln in der Finsternis, sondern wird das Licht des Lebens haben. " ( Joh 8:12 )
It's funny how they're not allowed to say Bob Dylan.
Dearest Edith. RIP
Enough of putting each other down and calling each other names! None of you ever knew Edie so get a life. Leave the poor woman rest in peace as well as Andy Warhol. My god you people talk as if you personally knew the people when you dam well know that you know nothing of what your're all saying. Mind your own business people. Your own lives our more important than people who are dead now.
i couldn't say it any better .
I don't believe in name calling either, but there are people who have read up on Edie's life, then there are idiots who believe Factory Girl happened. Yes, I said idiots. I loved the movie Domino, but it made me curious about the real Domino Harvey, & guess what? Nothing in the movie was accurate but a very few tiny facts thrown in. This is true of almost all movies based on people, but if people whose only knowledge of Edie is Factory Girl start making erroneous conclusions about who she was & what she did, there is a lot of info they are wrong, being judgmental, rude, & harsh.....& there ARE well documented facts about her life, she's dead, so who's there to correct this? Some people feel the need to stand up for someone who can't stand up for themselves.
Domino Harvey died right after filming wrapped, & Edie died after Ciao! Manhattan was completed & never saw the completed movie. Domino died of a fentanyl overdose, the cause of Edie's death is not entirely clear, yet people love to hate on Edie because Factory Girl made her look so bad. No one who knew her well could stand the movie. Domino's movie erred on the side of making her look much better. She didn't really model or look like Kiera Knightly. While Sienna is very beautiful, she looks nothing like Edie except they are both thin, to anyone who knew what Edie looked like before watching FG. She was married & clean from drugs when she died, in CA, not NYC, nor did Warhol have anything to do with her death. The movie implies he did. Edie came from an aristocratic background, but more than anything she was a survivor.
***** I think Andy makes a good target, passive & generally very quiet. I think he made some questionable choices that may have hurt Edie & others, however, it stemmed from his own issues, not his going out of his way to be mean. A lot of Edie fans don't realize that Dylan did much more harm to Edie by immortalizing her in songs like "Like a Rolling Stone" "Just Like a Woman"....almost all of Blonde on Blonde, & none of these songs are remotely flattering! And he didn't even name her publicly as his muse for that album, although the songs are clearly about her. "You shouldn't let others get your kicks for you" is directly about Dylans take on Warhol making movies like Beauty #2 about Edie, the movie digs into Edie's personal problems (presumably for entertainment purposes) but the irony is that Dylan did the exact same thing. People definitely hate on Warhol a lot more than he deserves, in Edie's biography he is portrayed as a very cold abusive person. but as I said, Dylan used Edie as much if not more than Warhol, & no one puts any blame on him. The movie Factory Girl portrayed both Edie & Warhol very unfairly. while glamorizing the most destructive relationship (Dylan) & ignoring the most important one (Bob Neuwirth, Dylan's right hand man), which accounts for the bitterness Dylan had towards Edie.
December Leigh And no one should blame him, according to Dylan and Neuwirth, Dylan barley had anything to do with Edie.
There's no way of knowing what or who his songs are about. Like A Rolling Stone was written and released months before her down fall.
" The movie Factory Girl portrayed both Edie & Warhol very unfairly. while glamorizing the most destructive relationship (Dylan) & ignoring the most important one (Bob Neuwirth, Dylan's right hand man), which accounts for the bitterness Dylan had towards Edie."
Um, Dylan didn't write the movie.
The writers choose Dylan over Neuwrirth because Dylan's an icon and Bobby Neuwrith is well Bobby Neuwirth.
No mention of her eating disorder I guess?
Andy was very sketchy and Edie was the Oil Painting he wouldve loved to have been.
I truly appreciate what Warhol did with the art scene. Incredible. But it’s his films that things get muddy I feel. There were some great ones but the whole scene became a circus that marred his name. He was totally incapable of being caring. It was just him. When Edie died, the scrutiny was too much. I wish the cat story was explored more as that is much more fascinating than his boyfriends and what they might have done. Interesting but a complete waste of time when you’re talking about the guy who had the balls to present a soup can as art. I feel like they just trashed him in this film. But I think he thought the same thing when the book came out.
I thought this was supposed to be "the real Edie"- they got the story down, but most of the photos are of Sienna. I was surprised that Edie's brother made the comment that they looked alike. I mean, they dressed her like her, but their faces are so completely different. Their voices as well. I still enjoyed the film, but Sienna seemed like a caricature of the real thing. A lovely woman in her own right, but I don't think she was the best choice for this role.
I agree.
If Andy Warhol was a sociopath, man there's not a lot of hope for the rest of us. I know more about him than you ever can imagine.
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