American Reacts Why a Far-Right Separatist Party is on the Rise in Belgium
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Yeah, Luxembourgish is related to the Istvaeonic languages, (Rhineland Germanic languages), which includes Franconian in West Germany and Dutch in the Netherlands and Flanders. Technically Luxembourgish is a dialect rather than a language but the line between the two terms is very fuzzy.
It is in lay terms, but of course not from a linguistic standpoint. It is classified as an Ausbau-language.
In Belgium, we have that principle that citizens have rights but also duties and voting is both. If you don’t interest yourself to politic you let others take control of your future and one day politic will be interested by you… that’s the idea
Hello from Begium (French speaking). Chouette vidéo !
Belgium is a small but great country.
From France I love their painters, cities, humor, singers, cinema, bier, high schools, disabled institutes, training schools and the price of cigarettes.
Paris Bruxelles : 1.50 hours by high speed train
A neighbor I am always enchanted to visit.
2:45 Luxembourgish is a language and it actually is an interesting story.
The language was dying out at the beggining of 20th century and only a bit over a thousand speakers spoke it in the 1930-es, most people using German on french ..... but when Germany occupied Luxembourg in WW2 and forbid the use of French (trying to force everyone to speak German) Most people in Luxembourg (Including majority of German speaking Luxembourgers) switched to Luxembourgish which Germans overlooked due to the small number of speakers + it being a Germanic language so they didn't think it'd be use as a method of resistance
Wrong from a linguistics standpoint, true from a socio-political standpoint, that's why Luxembourgish (Lëtzebuergsch) is classified as an Ausbau-language (like virtually any standard Romance language)
Belgium was used be part of the Habsburg Netherlands, which included the modern Netherlands. When the Emperor Charles V abdicated in 1559, his son Philip II of Spain was given the Habsburg Netherlands. After the Netherlands broke away, Belgium became the Spanish Netherlands and after the War of the Spanish Succession (1702-14) became the Austrian Netherlands. Then the French occupied it during the French revolutionary wars (1792-99)). After the Napoleonic Wars (1799-1815) it was given to the Netherlands. Belgium seceded from the Netherlands in 1831. The leaders of this revolution were the French speaking minority. Some Catholic Flemish/Dutch speakers joined the revolution. France helped the rebels and considered putting a French prince of the Belgian throne, but England blocked this. Queen Victoria's uncle Leopold I became the first Belgian King. In the 1800s, the Dutch language was marginalised and this contributed to Flemish nationalism. These restrictions were removed in the 20th century and autonomous regions based on language were established. 60% of the population speak Dutch/Flemish, 40% French.
Post Napoleon Netherlands, including today's Belgium was a British idea too. The bankrupt country needed a friend an needed quite a few of it's colonies back from the British who took it during Napoleon. Britain wanted a buffer monarchy between itself and the French Republic. So the O.G. Dutch Republic became a monarchy as the result of the French revolution basically.
The French also occupied it during the Austrian Succession War.
Good summary
Dont forget the lost country of neutraal Moresnet.
Yep, Spain, France and Austria have a lot to answer for but mostly slip under the radar, while Germany and especially the UK get regularly demonised despite their enormous contributions to the wellbeing of humanity.
Yes, I know ... incoming!
There is no dumb question about Europe - we're complicated 😊
Christian Democrats - think conservative (of sort)
They put the word Democrats at their name because they always say that Vlaams Belang is an non-democratic party. So they want to make a difference between them and Vlaams Belang.
In Belgium, voting is considered a civic duty and thus compulsory. As a result, elections are always held on a Sunday. However, there is no punishment enforced for those who do not vote. So yeah, in theory voting is compulsory, while in all reality, it isn't. Voter turnout is always very high though, some 90%.
In addition, gerrymandering and voter suppression are quite impossible. Election districts are embedded in the constitution and can only be changed by super-majority. As voting is compulsory, there is no voter registration required. Photo ID is not an issue because each and every citizen is by default issued an identity card.
Luxembourg is one of 10 Belgian PROVINCES and one of 5 Walloon provinces. It borders the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg and France. It is also sometimes called Belgian-Luxembourg.
Luxembourg, officially the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, is a COUNTRY in western Europe bordering Belgium, Germany and France. The Grand Duchy is the second smallest country in the European Union after Malta.
A US citizen may have difficulty with the term: Christian Democrats, but in several European countries it is nothing special. There is a party by this name in Italy and, since the end of World War II, also in Germany. It was intended to offer a political home there for Protestants and Catholics who previously ran in different parties. The Federal Chancellors Konrad Adenauer, Helmut Kohl and Angela Merkel, among others, were (and are) Christian Democrats.
To clarify: there's no actual "mandatory voting" in Belgium. What is mandatory is that you have to show up at the polling station, but you're not actually obligated to vote (you are at risk of paying a fine if you don't show up, though in practice that fine doesn't get enforced anymore). The underlying idea, which I support, is that democracy requires a minimum level of engagement of citizens, hence it is considered part of your "civic duty" to vote, apart from being a constitutional right. The election day is also a holiday.
As a general rule of thumb for evaluating where parties in Europe fall on a progressive vs conservative conservative scale:
Communist/marxist parties > green parties (economically and socially progressive) > social democrat parties (economically and socially progressive or left of center) > christian democrat parties (center party, typically economically left of center or in the center and socially conservative) > liberal parties (economically conservative, socially progressive) > extreme right wing parties (economically typically right of center but varies, socially conservative. typically a lot of focus on migration issues). The profile of seperatist / regionalist parties varies from region to region. In Flanders, the flemish nationalist NVA is considered to be right wing but not "extreme" right wing. They are economically probably the most (right wing) neoliberal party but socially left of center.
Also for all of these "political families" or parties where exactly they fall on the spectrum and how "progressive" or "conservative" they feel to you will depend on the national history/context. From an american perspective, most of these parties (even the 'right of center' ones will appear to be economically to the left of what is considered a center or even left of center US democrat position. "Socially conservative" will generally still feel pretty liberal from a US conservative point of view, at least for Western Europe.
Did you also write War and Peace?😂
Mandatory voting is like jury service, so it’s a civic duty. Though no one gets punished if you don’t vote, but most do
the (far) right in belgium is not far right but more a regional power that wants more regional control then federal but you need to be in federal politics for that
Thank you. I guessed that it would be someone who disagrees with the propositions who is giving them the "far-right" label. The same false terminology is being used in the UK today to describe anyone who disagrees with people on the left. To listen to them, you'd think the centre-right wore swastikas and goose-stepped everywhere.
The style of architecture you mentioned, was actually created in what’s now modern day Belgium. It’s a style that was spread out over the entire Netherlands, so also into the country of the Netherlands. Many architects from this region travelled throughout Northern Europe. Thanks to the trade network of the Hanseatic League.
As a french this news do not disturb me
Your hair is outstanding today
It's nice to see a well-informed take on this for once. Most of the videos about this are highly exaggerated or just downright incorrect. Just one side note, there is a 0% chance of us rejoining the Netherlands or France again. It's probably the one thing we agree on the most :p
Well, i agree it probably wont happen, BUT that doesnt mean there arent people who would support this. Myself included. As well as the Mayor of Antwerp
I think your point about names having different uses is interesting - another thing that can't help is the way the US uses the wrong colours (compared to most European countries). Left/Socialist parties tend to be Red - but in the US your left party (Democrats) are Blue
it is not a dumb question to ask if Vlaanderen (Flanders) want to join the Netherlands in a sort of federal state because if you look at the European scale the Dutch and Flemish have a bigger voice in Europe together. So their are people who faver that (like myself). Their are voices in Wallonië who want join France but because they are benefitting more of Belgium this is not really a big issue. Altough they are looking very much at France with everything (culture, the way to do politics, ... etc). The German part (for me i don't mind that they go back to Germany) but they do mind. This is still the WW2 trauma that they have. Because Germany during WW2 considerd them as Germans they were drafted in the German Wehrmacht. After WW2 they got punished by belgium because of their collaboration with Germany. They are not happy that Germany brought them in that position. So they are reluctant for that scenario an rather join Luxembourg than Germany.
13:40 That is a big part of it but also voting can be seen as a civic duty .... like paying tax.
+ there is always an option of giving an invalid ballot
Hell invalid ballots is how people in communist counties ousted local politicians they didn't like.
It ain't a great look when you have 1 or 2 candidats and 50% of invalid ballots
Flemish people used to watch Dutch tv a lot during the previous century and Walloons still watch a lot of French tv. It is true that the Flemish 'look to the north' and Walloons 'look to the south'. 60% of Belgians are Flemish and 40% speak French, less than 1% speak German. Voting is obligatory but in reality there are no sanctions if you don't.
Christian Democrats would be on the left of Trump and the right of Biden 😂
🇧🇪 How Nice that you’re interested in the weird working of our country with our 6 (way too many) governments. Even we think it’s crazy! The fact alone that we broke our own record of longest period without a government says a lot.😂
According to Al Murray - Pub Landlord, Britain invented Belgium.
Under the influence of Great Britain, it was decided that the territories would be united in a single state with the old republic of the United Provinces, thus to constitute a better barrier against French expansion than that of 1715.... 😀
Flemish and Dutch people are like Best Frenemies. We do like to make fun of each other but in practice we get along very good. Plenty of Duch people live and work in Belgium and vice verso. We also love to visit each other on holidays. Belgians in both size of the country also love to say we hate the French but again, in practice it's more play fighting than anything. Only a fringe group of people seriously wants to join any other country. The country splitting is somewhat plausible (though I think people overestimate how strong Flemish nationalism is) but splitting and joining an other country is not going to happen.
population split is roughly 60% Flemish 40% Walloon and less like a percent or less German speaking.
about the mandatory voting, first of all, it's technically not mandatory voting, it's "oproepplicht". You're required to go to the booth and register but you can blank too, voting is anonymous so nobody forces you to actually vote. I also like to point out that if you don't vote you probably won't get any problems, in theory you can get a fine or even if you keep not voting, you might get disqualified to vote, but it's rarely enforced if any.
The idea behind it is that voting is seen as a duty to the other citizens rather than a free perk you get. Even not enforced, 90% of the people votes. The result of it is that everyone is represented, even people who wouldn't bother to vote otherwise. A benefit is that if voting is seen as a duty, parties aren't going to do things to deincentify people for voting. After all: everyone votes, weather you want it or not. Nor will politicians blame the voter for not voting enough. the line "the voter is always right" is used in every single directon by every party weather its in the line "the voter is always right, and we won, so our policies are the correct one" or "clearly our policies didn't catch on because we lost and the voter is always right".
"Mandatory" sounds like a ugly word but in practice, if (practically) everyone votes; the result is much more fair.
@@FrahamenYou forget Brussels : we are not Flemish nor Walloon…
@@jean-paullanghoor6917 That's right, you lot are north of Waterloo and thus belong to the freakin' Dutch! #reunitethelions
Always when I see your reaction to europesn politics it reminds me of my plan to make a video on dutch politics and voting system. The last ine is easy, the first one is more complicated.
Terminology in politics can be very confusing when looking at different countries. Eg, Liberals are often right wing, many republicans are left wing, and there are issues specific to one country, like Flemish separatism . And looking at the colours won’t help either.
Sorry about that was my sister ring in the phone to tell me about a haunted castle on the television in Scotland
I believe voting should be mandatory too. Political opinions aside the Mayor of London has just been re-elected with 18% of the eligible vote - which by implication means he won even though 82% of Londoners didn't vote for him (many of who didn't vote at all)
Damn!!
All I can say is ouch!! Doesn't paint a very pretty picture.
Mandatory voting is solved in a belgian way,the law says you can get a fine for not showing up to vote,but the law is not applied...
react to "cricket explained for baseball fans"
9:33 TLDR forgot to list the ruling Tory party in the UK. Because they were already in a group with the Hungarian Fidesz in the EU Parliament and after Brexit they moved even further to the right.
I believe there is a very little minority who want to be attached to the countries around. What I'm sure of: I don't want to be French, ever.
Yes, vote is a right and a duty. You still can give back a white bulletin if you don't want to vote. You just have to take the step of not voting. It's a conscient move, not a negligence.
To be clear, Brussels is multilingual. There is around 75% of French-speakers, 5 to 10% of Dutch-speakers and 15 to 20% of allophones.
Thanks for the video!
I like your take on Christian Democrats😂 and you are right...! Also, your take on party names. I think many parties, especially on the far right, are actually often gaslighting with their names....
Yes there is a wish from the seperatist to rejoin the Netherlands but they are a minority compared to the people who dont want that. We're diffrent enough from dutch culture that we kinda don't want to rejoin.
Also BTW: The voting will start on the 9th of june so if you're curious you should check if belgium still exists after the elections.🤣
There is no immigration-crisis but an asylum-crisis and it's a created crisis. Why do you think it's only happening in countries considered to be western, like the US, Canada, Australia, UK and Europe (EU), I'm not seeing to many Africans moving to Iran, China, Russia or Kazachstan for instance. And why do so incredible many asylum-seekers travel through many safe and prosperous countries in order to reach the UK? (Same with Chinese asylum-seekers coming from across the Pacific, via Mexico (!) into the US.) Wasn't it all about fleeing to a better place and be safe? So why not stop in Austria, Hungary, Czech Rep., Belgium or France then but insisting on crossing the channel? ...
Complete bs but what else is to expect from a SS Nazio supporter.
The reason they want to travell to the UK is because you can basically live there without identity papers, they can live quite comfortably in illegality. Which is almost impossible elsewhere in Europe, where the need for an ID and registration is much higher. The is the only reason coz the UK doesnt offer more direct benifits than anyone else. Btw this is still a minority of the illegal immigrants entering Europe. The UK isnt better or worse of than anyone else, we're all feeling the burden it puts on our culture and society. About 15% of the inhabitants of the UK are born abroad, here in Belgium it is 20%, so i'd say the UK is once again blesses being an island nation😂.
@@MotherGoose264 It was a rethorical question mate.
to awsner your question about joining the netherlands: there has been some voices who called for that but as far as I know, most ppl would rather not join the netherlands because of their more strick regulations.
To the question of manditory voting: I personaly don't like it and as far as I am aware most ppl don't like it either. But ofc our politicians don't want that because they are afraid that most ppl wouldnt vote if they would change it. Luckly this year in october there are elections for the local goverments and from this year they are not manditory.
Don't try to understand Belgium. Nobody can.
There is some support for independence but not majority. A lot of people are voting for them cause they want to send a signal to the other parties, with whom they are displeased, and to limit or even cease money flows from the wealthy North to the poor South. The latter is not cause of some greed but a perception that the South isn't even trying to get out of poverty but rather just wants to keep getting handouts.
Migration is also a big topic but this is true in most of Europe.
As a Dutch person, I would love for us to reunify with Flanders when they gain their independence.
In all reality, I don't think Flemish independence is going to happen any time soon. There is little support for it among the population. The support for the far-right Vlaams Belang is predominantly because of their immigration stance. The center-right NVA pushes for confederalism. And although they struggle to define what they mean by confederalism, it is not independence.
Belgium has always been an artificial country since its creation, split between Dutch and French speaking regions. It can't last much longer this way. The only question is whether it will be incorporated into France and the Netherlands or form separate, new countries.
Mandatory voting is to insure that politicians also have to take into account what the poor think. Those would be the people would not go voting. As is the case in the usa. So voting right in stead of compulsory voting is a good way to disenfranchise the poor
Lol! The poor think? That's how a lot of them (though not all of them) became poor in the first place...!
10.35 it is democrats in the sense of democracy (a party that upholds the values of democracy)
Most of Europe is moving more to the right at the moment, mainly due to the failure of the left. The EU elections will be interesting and are only a month away.
it's more political than something else
Now......
Everything gets called 'far right' these days. Yet you never hear the term far left much for some reason...
Luxembourgish is a language, I think I can understand it as a German Speaker.
Dutch can understand about half of it, French more even as Germans I think tho.
Our Dutch RTL used to be tax based there and I guess for legal reasons they had to air some Luxembourgish programs like Hei Elei Kuck Elei. I speak French and German and I am pretty good at languages I don't really speak but found Luxemourgish a very hard one to make something out of, especially relative to how close it is.
@@DenUitvreter RTL isn't ours, it's a corporation based in Luxemburg, for indeed the obvious reasons, but it's operational in several countries. The Netherlands wasn't the first market they entered.
@@laziojohnny79 We got Luxembourgish shows after midnight anyway.
@@DenUitvreter Doesn't matter if RTL broadcasts Korean commercials or Swahilian sitcoms, point is that it's part of the RTL group (active in several countries) which on itself is part of Bertelsmann, which is mostly owned by the German family Mohn.
4:04 Yeah I live in Belgium (in Flanders) and almost everyone i know wants belgium to split up... most people wouldn't mind uniting with The Netherlands, but some are really against it cuz history has taught us that the Dutch suppressed us for their own benefit. However, I personally would rather join with the Netherlands than to stay as Belgium or Flanders as an independent country. Then I'm sure to be in a country with a much more stable political landscape and a better gdp and standing in the world. + roads in the netherlands are much nicer haha
The Dutch (Hollanders) suppressed the roman catholics in Noord Brabant and Limburg as well, so see it as reuniting with your family and balancing the score sorta say. Also we can use some proper clubs like Antwerp, Brugge, Anderlecht, Mechelen and Genk or Gent in the Eredivisie.
As a Scot, I can sympathize, at least with the desire for autonomy, if not far-right politics, whether that is or isn't relevant in Flanders or not, is outside my understanding. Many Scots also want to break away from the failed UK union, but short of a revolution, we're chained to the union. For now at least. But I have confidence that we'll be out of the UK sooner or later.
Good luck to the people of Flanders, whatever they choose.
@@laziojohnny79 It supressed the Roman catholic church rather than the catholics themselves. The Roman Catholic church that wanted to kill all non catholics.
Bullshit! Only 10-15% of Belgians want the country to split. Even the Minister President of Flanders, who's a flemish nationalist, confirmed it months ago. Dream on 😂
In the entire EU far right is gaining traction because of illegal immigration.
In Croatia center right is the biggest party, while far right is 3rd with center left on 2nd place so coalition of right parties is more then likely. Germany looks similar, Netherlands far right is biggest party and so on...
lol ''fun'' fact. they just arrested a vlaamse nationalist politician here in belgium for ''racist'' memes.. im not even joking LMAO. his name is dries and is a real good fellow.
Nope he is not a good fellow. It would be like saying trump is a good fellow
Yup, it's a disgrace he got convicted for that
No you are joking, saying it was just for memes is either disingenuous or completely ignorant.
If you live in Wallonia, does that make you a Wally?😅
Hi Connor, if you want to study European politics, Belgium is the worst one to start with.😂 It is probably most politically engineered country in the world. You need a Phd and a few months of study time to understand it in full. The vast majority of Belgians, i'd say 90%, dont know how it works either😂.
Myself and my family have been involved in Belgian, Flemish and local politics since 1950's, so i understand it, and it is a shitshow 😂. I wont express my views here, coz i'm not looking for a fight and ir would take 30 pages and a lot of nuance that this isnt the platform.
Take care and thanks for showing interest in our Surreal politics 😂
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13:40 If you don't wanna vote in Belgium then you vote blanc.... Problem with this method is that your vote will automatically go to the largest party. But i think it's a good thing to have compulsory voting... after the elections, nobody can complain about misrepresentation and so on... so we only have to complain about the undemocratic way of our government forming and using the cordon sanitair haha
Interesting, in Sweden when you vote blank it is counted as blank and shows that you don't like any of the parties. Which is a very democratic way to protest against all the alternatives given.
Duh!! Seperatism is what the video is all about Connor
Anything not far left is now considered 'far right".
Why are right wingers so ashamed of their beliefs?