Well sir this is really used vehicle 101. If you are looking to buy a vehicle and the seller refuses to allow you to inspect the vehicle, or have the vehicle inspected, then that is a deal breaker. And a lot of the time we get emotional about buying these vehicles as we always wanted one, and now we have a chance to get one and they are oh so pretty but hide a lot of structural problems that have been repaired in such a way to just get it out the door. As Kiwi stated "Buyer beware".
They took a $2,500 car, put a $500 paint job, some Bilstein shocks and a few other things they could point out, then sold it for $45,000. That's theft by deception as far as I'm concerned. And the price makes it a felony. I'd be filing a lawsuit and pressing charges against these crooks
@moparnut part of theft by deception defines selling fraudulent merchandise while giving the impression its real falls into this category, they sold a vehicle on the terms of it being 100% repaired/restored to/better than factory specifications. And its clearly not. Hope this helps you better understand why they said that.
I noticed the Marines plate on the front. I’m thinking a retired vet bought this as a present to himself. A word of caution - classic muscle cars are best avoided unless you are very mechanically inclined. I made the same mistake but at 21, and for a lot less $. That’s at least a teachable moment. Spending part of your retirement on a gift to yourself and then realizing you’ve been taken is not a teachable moment, it’s just a gut wrenching and heartbreaking loss.
You are spot on!! Having that conversation with him is the worst part of this job. I had a customer that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, also a vet and his kids bought him a 57 tbird as his final gift and it was just as bad as this Mustang. That was a conversation I'll not soon forget. We decided to keep that information from his kids as they'd tried to do something special for him and the dealer wasn't going to take that from them. Quite few very late nights later I got it into a workable state so he could at least enjoy it for a little while...........
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What makes it even worse is the price they paid for the car. I looked up the company and under their sold cars, They had this very car. It sold for $44900. For that money I would expect the car to be in much better condition.
@@jimamizzi1 A lot of people are not car people. They like the look and feel of driving a vintage car, but know little when it comes to structure and all. So they look on the vintage car websites. The website for this company was very well done. All the cars were slick and shiny, they had good reviews unless you looked deeper. Since most people's experience with buying cars is from a new car dealership, they assume these vintage cars are going to be in like new condition. Well they are not.
@@jimamizzi1 People see that a dealership is selling the vehicle and they mistakenly believe that laws exist to prevent a dealership from selling structurally deficient vehicles like this. Then they learn the hard way that this isn't the case...
OMG are you kidding. Not trying to be a jerk but I paid 24k for my 64.5, granted it's not a convertible but it's solid all the way around. The inspection magnet showed next to nothing. No rust at all and the motor was fairly hot. It's on my channel if you want to take a look. That price blows me away.
Well done Kiwi in naming these crooks, they should be held accountable & jailed for putting peoples lives at risk. I wouldn't be buying anything from AP VINTAGE MOTORS & neither should anyone else. Cheers & stay safe🙂
I'm 70 years old. My Sister bought a 68 from Rockville Ford in the DC area. We use to call them " Rustangs ". Those Crooks took a rusted up junker and did a Crapjob cover-up. Like you said, looks nice from a distance. Wait till the Rust starts to show thru where it was hidden. So sad to see this. A friend of a friend was looking at a Car from those Crooks, but when they made it near impossible to do a PPI, he said his gut feeling told him NO . They love their Pop Rivets. Can see a gaggle of them in the Drivers side lower Fender. Good job sir.
It is the same thing with houses. People look at the cosmetics, but not at the structure. People are more concerned about the color of the countertop and the smell of new paint than with structural integrity and design. There are always people who take advantage of that knowledge, and sell what people are looking at, and then those who purchased find they got screwed.
I always laugh at people on TV who are recorded giving their impression of the house they Looking to buy. They pass on the house because the color of the walls and rugs 😅😅 I bought a house that was not selling the main reason was the interior painting. The wife painted the hallway Grey with pink ceiling and other rooms dark brown it had a huge kitchen 2 full bathrooms fully tiled. Big basement out to a big 2 car garage. I bought it 195,000 in 2001 I painted the interior blinged out the bathrooms. No repair were needed except a water heater. I sold 4 years later for 349,000.00 and got full price.
Pathetic. It would NEVER pass a safety inspection here in Canada.Patches are ok I guess IF the welding is done completely and properly and this car is a scab job. Time to get 20 angry customers together and call out this stealership.
Great video Kiwi. I’ve learned a lot from your videos about what to look out for on these older cars and how they go together. Sad that this person got saddled with a car that’s not even safe to drive. Thanks again for the info. Glad there’s guys like you out that are willing to call out these dealerships and sellers for the poor work they try to hide! 👍🏻
Strange how many of these Mustangs seem to be like this. My neighbor has a sixties Mustang he's selling for $7,000, and there's another one in a junkyard not too far from me that he's not going to crush (not sure what he'd want for it though,) but both of them, at the very least, are fairly solid, all original cars. It's very strange to me how a lot of people will jump to spend far more money on what, in my opinion, are much worse vehicles. I mean I've done some crappy repairs in my time, booger welds on a $450 pickup truck to get the bedside to stop flopping around, spot welding and mudding old roofing tin to a body panel on a $500 car, but these are all vehicles that I consider myself to be the final owner of, not stuff that I expect to last long enough to sell, and especially not stuff I intend to deceive people into thinking has been restored. If I was to sell one of my cars that I've done that kind of work to, I'd probably want somewhere between $200 and $1,200, depending on the vehicle and how badly I've worn it out. I would take one of those over some of these weld practice sheets being sold as cars.
I have parts of an old grill lid self tappered and glued to my quarter panels lol. Going to scrap the car on Saturday been driving it a year and beating it up good
You are right, this is commonplace. I remember my first car , a 68 Chevelle needing the frame fixed and that was when the car was less than 20 years old and a full frame car. Fact is these cars are ancient by this point and patch jobs like this is very very common, heck it was common 30 plus years ago. Buyer beware and if you can’t prove everything is good them expect the worst. Had this Mustang been much much cheaper I would think, oh well….but for big money that was paid this is criminal in my view and I hope the owner pursues some recourse. It would cost a fortune to redo this car, and we haven’t even talked about the drivetrain. Shamefull.
@@peterl2017 yup. he'd be paying around 80k for a 35k car on its best day. And in that case a guy could go out and buy a professionally done LSpowered Pro tour car from the 60/70s. I feel bad for the guy or gal.
@@ILoveFossilFuel Just looking at the pictures, let alone asking an expert for advice would have helped without even seeing the car. Go to the website and look at the pictures.
Hey Kiwi. Definitely with you here, very bodgey job. Their claim "Oh its a 50+ year old car" holds no water, unlike all those body gaps. If it was sold as a 50yo project at a project price, fair enough. Did I spy a big bow and gap in that left hand floor pan to rocker seam under the door at 6:19 ? Repairs, either do them right, or not at all. Would certainly not pass an Aussie RWC or NZ WOF like that.
And for sure it would not pass the Austrian tech inspection.The oilleak alone i saw would prohibit it,not to speak about the rust and the unprofessional repair attempts. At the moment they check for +/- 250 different items. Every year.
Agree. Yes it's a 50yo car but it's a $2k project rolling shell not a $45k 'classic'. Just the price infers a structurally sound, driving legal car with no major issues or parts missing
Great video! Sad to see this kind of butchery. Personally, I would never buy a car online, especially a classic one, without getting up close to see the bones. It's like someone put frosting on a turd cake.
I have a few of those in my Shop right now...dodgy 'body work' covered with shiny paint and retailed for five or six figures. The Worst was a 'restored' Merc convertible (1964) for $300,000. Some of the Worst crap i have ever seen covered in paint. I have two separate Merc Coupes which had been bought by unsuspecting buyers ,One didn't have a floor! which came in for a tune up and I couldn't lift it on the hoist. The other one caught fire because of 50 year old fuel lines breaking .and the owner paid $30,000 for it. But on the other hand I told a mate hear in OZ to fly to the US to check out a classic car .He was glad he did as it was advertised online as a convertible,but was actually a tudor with the roof cut off!.
Just imagine trying to get that on the road if you imported it into New Zealand. Not having a metal roof makes all this so much more dangerous as that floor and surrounding structure from the front to the back of the vehicle is all that is holding it together in the middle. Add in ferrous oxide custom crumple zones and you're dead in a crash.
These cars up in the northern rust belt were piles of rust when they were 10 years old. I guess with the increases in prices, they're being "repaired" enough so they can get by. This one isn't as bad as the ones around me. A good welder and someone grinding off all the bondo and undercoating could make this safe in my opinion. The undercoating is the red flag I never ignore. I've seen vehicles from old Jeeps to classics with that crap on the bottom and that's a deal breaker.
I'm in Ohio and know something about rust too. If you see undercoating on something is it a deal breaker b/c it may be hiding something or is it the moisture it could hold and will rust down the road?
Unfortunately people who don’t know usually do not want to pay for someone to take a look at it for them. Also a mechanic isn’t the one you want. You need a body guy to look.
Hi Kiwi, Another Proper Video, Thanks so others can learn... Its Junk! Can't even tell if it was a first timers Bad Job to Sell or another Scammer Flip? How do they Sleep? Cheers!
These are the types of shoddy repairs I would have expected to be done in someone's home garage or at a buddy's shop when cars like this were 15 to 20 year old rusted-out junkers worth 100 or 200 bucks and they just needed to be kept on the road one more year until they could save up to buy a new car. The fact that now people are throwing on nice paint jobs and refinishing the interiors, all while letting the underneath and mechanics of these vehicles remain in an absolute shamble, is frankly really disturbing. These aren't $200 cars anymore, more like 20 to 40,000 $ before you even start thinking about buying one today. Once you know a little bit about these cars, it's pretty easy to start spotting the issues... But most people who buy stuff like this will only ever get it inspected if there's a problem. I'm sure there's plenty of people who drive their car to go get ice cream and then down to the car show and that's the only time they ever drive there classic... meanwhile the whole thing's a structural disaster probably waiting to fall apart if it's ever driven in the rain or hit a pothole. It's really sad that these things have gone up so much in cost, and it seems like the actual real value of so many examples is just decreasing with such shoddy work everywhere. I really appreciate the fact that you continue to showcase these vehicles, and I desperately hope that they're making it to the non-car people who are thinking about buying these either as a fun weekend toy or as an investment and make them reconsider or at least get pre purchase inspections.
I think I got lucky. Last month I bought a 65 Corvair (sight unseen) from an acquaintance in Indiana. I'm in AZ. I was sent a boatload of pictures, all of which looked good. When I got the car, it was all that he said, and more. Probably because the seller and I are both in the same Corvair club, the seller was honest. I was really on pins and needles waiting for its arrival, but I actually got more car than I paid for. I feel sorry for the ones who get ripped off. It does the automotive community no good to have shady people selling junk.
Man this makes me feel like SOMEONE should do a video on what to look for, for people that would buy something like this. Looking at you Kiwi about making that video. This one is a peach. I couldn't even ever understand coming to the conclusion this person did making these repairs.
Well sir Kiwi does a video on what to look for every time he posts these types of videos. Unfortunately, it is such a situation where we have closed the barn door after the horse got out so to speak. With all the information out here on You Tube and other channels it would behoove someone looking for one of these "restored" beauties to view them as part of the educational process to have an idea of what to look for.
Just another lesson in getting someone qualified to check out your prospective purchase. A few hundred up front can save thousands down the line. Great vid. A mate had a saying for cars like this - he used to call them "mudguards" - shiny on top but sh*t underneath".
I went to their website and several other reporting agencies like the BBB. A lot of the reviews stated that AP wouldn't allow any of the 3rd party mechanics do an inspection. For me, that would've been a major red flag and I would've ran. But unfortunately a lot of the buyers aren't savy to this stuff and are getting taken advantage of and being ripped off. What's even worse is AP is requiring a $500 nonrefundable deposit.
In New Zealand it is! It's called the consumer guarantees act and it basically means that if you sell it, it has be able to do what is intended for. If not you have to fix or refund
My friend own a Mustang restoration company. We have seen this way to many times. At today’s prices a true mustang restoration is about 56-78k. So scumbags buy a rusted out from the rust belt and slap crap on it. If you see a so-called restored Mustang for sale under 30k it’s a rust rust bucket. Quality ain’t cheap Cheap ain’t Quality! No inspection NO SALE!
A few months ago I bought a running, '84 GT 350 5.0 5 speed carbureted convertible. Completely original and unmolested. Not a speck of rust anywhere. Not in the floors, not in the towers. I paid $5500. I think I scored.
Thanks Kiwi its a shame that these people can get away with this kind a business. Profits before conscience makes me wonder how do they sleep at night.
Bottom line, don't be a moron. Learn about what's right, what's wrong & go to where the vehicle's at & put eyes & hands on it yourself. If you don't, you deserve what you get. The Danny Deepockets & Dick Dastardly's are who drove & keep driving up prices. If you don't know what you're doing, buy a Kia & be happy. Again, no pity.
That car ain't bad they didn't wanna pay 500k to drive a very close to drivable car the 500k will make it factory new again but kiwi straight tripping on this one just Iverson the customer not wanting a whole frame off
Wow. Name dropping is important. If you grew up up north where cars were usually badly rotten by they time they were 10 years old back in the 1980's you learned to have a mechanic look at a car before buying. A good bondo sculptor can hide a lot of sins.
Another great example of people being bamboozled by used car dealers. If you are buying a classic (or any kind really) car it needs to be inspected buy someone you know and or trust to do an in depth inspection. If the dealer says no or has any other restrictions about it, WALK AWAY. Great job Kiwi and my condolences to the buyer of this good looking 67 drop top. Hope they can get it sorted somehow...🤓
The only way to stop this is talking about it. If your in the hobby and know that this goes on, you need to enlighten anyone that's thinking about buying a classic.
I am a retired ASE mechanic at this point but do still offer to look at anything someone is about to purchase at my home shop free of charge. I also will spread the word as much as I can.@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
That's one of the best mustang's I've ever seen. Had a half dozen of them and after a few years of being new they would fall apart. Springs came up through the trunk, floorboards and tork boxes like paper ,front springs came up through the towers. This one is almost new. He he . That is one reason that the rare good ones are expensive. Good video . Thanks
Well, she's not the worst you've shon us, mate, but she's certainly not an example of how things should be done - that's for sure. Patches on rails are ok if they aren't butting up to other patches and have good steel penetration......but this isn't the case in this poor wee beast. The '67 is one of my favourite years for the Mustang, so it's sort-of gutting for me to look at. What you didn't mention was something the camera caught. The pinch-welding that should be holding all three layers of inner / outer sill and floor pan together, is not only too far between - if you look at the seam where all three should be held tightly together, they aren't and the metal is already rusting away between the layers ad bulging them out between where they have been plug-welded. There is also a huge gap where the torque boxes at the front of the vehicle join the sills - which is in addition to the redirection of any and all water directly into the front footwells by the rotating tyres when it rains. I have only watched this video the one time, but given another run-through, I could probably see more that you've probably already seen but not mentioned too.....and I'm seeing it on a 15" laptop screen! Given that, if it is that obvious that it is wrong to ME, then I cannot understand the attitude of the dealer. Do they have the equivalent of the LMVDI / MVD Tribunal or the MVTR over there? How about something like the Consumer Guarantees Act? These would protect your client even if he had indeed purchased a car with many unknown faults - regardless of whether the dealer agreed or not. Mind you, our WoF system would not have passed that vehicle anyway and any vehicle sold by a dealer must have at least 5 months left on a WoF when sold. I also cannot comprehend how the dealer does not see the rotting front rails as an issue at least. The gaps in the welding, gaps between patches and other bodywork, the patches on patches, the filler in structural areas, the riveting used instead of welding and the poor workmanship of the repairs all aside, the rust and holes are obvious in those front rails and in several other spots and they compromise what remains of the structural integrity that the misfitting panels and bodging don't already reduce. Over here, he'd go for a skate if not have his license revoked and name blacklisted. If it cannot be resolved with local law, the States is at least 30 years behind NZ in that regard....and shouldn't be. They have more of these classics on the road than we have people in this whole country to drive them! Man, I lambaste and outright bitch about some of the anal and downright draconic or stupidly severe laws we have here that govern what you can and cannot do with a vehicle and the severely anal rust laws - where even a rusty mark from stone chips gets mentioned as a comment on the WoF sheet as a thing to watch! - but when I see things like this and the attitude of other UA-camrs who put things back on the road in that - or worse - condition, I am reminded of the rusty and bogged-up cars of the 70s and 80s and the little protection they provided and I am glad we've got so many processes in place to stop them.....even if it does make it bloody difficult to re-vin a car that's been in storage for 20 years and someone let the rego lapse. Here's hoping your client can get traction with the dealer. It would be a painfully expensive lesson if not. All the best
You give me a grinder with 4 different wheels/wire wheels, some cardboard and pencil and scissors to cut some patterns, some gloves, a ESAB140, a helmet and goggles, 6 square feet of 18 gauge, a gallon of black rustoleum with 4 paint brushes, $2,000 and two days and I'll have the underside of that Mustang looking so good even the Kiwi man wouldn't holler too much.🤣
Well, I look at those old cars different than most do these days. And my repair, no, it wouldn't be perfect, but you need to know i'm 66 years old, and 45 years ago, I was buying old cars like that for a few hundred dollars and just patching them up and driving the things. I remember in 1976, still in high school, a 65 Mustang a friend named Wayne bought, we put such big tires on it in the back that they would rub on the inner fenders in the back if anyone sat in the backseat. Another example, I bought a 1970 Plymouth Gran Coup Barracuda in 1982 for $500 with a blown up 383 and I took the 440 super commando out of my wrecked GTX and put it in it. In my opinion, none of those cars were that well built, and they were rusting out after only a few years. To try and make them perfect is not really worth it in my opinion. I was really into mopars back then, because they were cheap, so had a few. They were really poorly designed, with tendency to rust in the quarters and bad electronics. As I remember, they would just out a few ballast resistors in a line to cut down voltage -- from the factory! Anyway, I worked on the things enough back then, I just don;t have the illusions about them as others, or maybe ours were just kids cars, bought cheap, worked on by us who half the time didn't really know what we were doing. I guess I'll always think of them like that, sort of just cobbled together even from the factory. And when I see people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for an old Plymouth, when we used to buy them cheap, I bought a 1971 Plymouth GTX in 1981 in pretty good shape for $1,350. I just think the things are way overpriced. To my mind, those cars were just made to fix and drive. Not to spend $100,000 on and try and make new. That's what I meant with my comment. Yeah, once I was done, you could pick it apart, say it's not perfect, true. But it's just an old Ford, made to be driven,not perfected as some type of almighty goal. But, you do you. I still think the things can be affordable, cheap transportation, not some type of life goal for perfection. But, to each his own as they say. Good luck. I enjoy your channel!@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
This is dangerous and ought to be criminal charges involved against seller....basically a colinder with structural bondo....good on you for calling them out
My pop use to buy old mustangs and would pour water down the cowl vents in front of the windscreen. Often water would flow into the interior footwells, a clear sign of rust-through. A repair would involve cutting holes into the top of the cowl or removing the fenders to gain access from the side.
I was looking for a Mustang convertible years ago. I always had GM products, with full frames, or the unibody had subframes. Possible to take it apart and fix it properly. The Stangs I looked at? All were so rotted, and seeing that the skills to properly fix them? The time? You'd have to make a fixture? One as soon as I opened the door, you can see the body bend.
As bad as this Mustang is, you'd have been laughing like crazy at the Cougar I worked on a month ago, 10x worse. Ball joints never tightened on top of really, really bad patch panels and bondo over rusty a pillars and windshield pouring water in when it rained. Enthusiasts: Please have the car/truck inspected by a reputable shop before buying, if they won't allow it, do NOT buy it!!!
Wow what a death trap, can you imagine taking your grandkids out in a ride in that car and someone rear-end you at a red light or crosses the lane and hit you head on that car would fold up and everybody would be either extremely injured or killed, these Crooks ought to be held accountable for their unsafe death traps that they are selling
That scares me to buy another classic. I guess it depends what the guy paid. The foundation isn’t good though. I expect maybe a cheap floorboard patch as long as I can have it replaced correctly but stuff like rails and torque boxes? I’d walk.
Happy Wednesday Kiwi and fellow Kiwiians! Yeah. I agree. Thats a car I'm going to go after eventually and that car would be passed right by...Then I'll bring that one to Kiwi as well, after our 67 Fastback, that is.
I always watch, just not able to comment as much during summertime. Busy, busy, busy. My wife is better from her surgery, we should see you next spring with the 67 Fastback.
Any of these old pony cars or muscle cars have a high probability of looking like this. For fast, best to stick with new. A nice current gen Chally will set you back $30K-$40K (depending on year/miles/options), come with free returns for 10 days, 100 day warranty and extended warranty from Carvana. I’ve done it twice and any mechanical issues were addressed quickly and free of charge. Also, modern Challys are faster, safer, more comfortable and more reliable than these 60 year old rigs. When I buy vintage I stick with large cars. No one’s going to patch together a ‘68 Galaxie or Marquis like this.
From their website " All of the vehicles that are at our dealership whether consignment or owned go through a rigorous process before sale. -Paint body and then detail. -Interior work if needed. -Mechanical / Safety inspection. -2 mile test drive. Once we are ready to put a vehicle for sale it is turn key! We do not simply re sell a vehicle we put time into each and every one of them. For which we hold a higher standard for our vehicles." Based on this video....total lies~!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 you absolutely did Kiwi. I missed it. I went back and found it. Good for you for informing the people of the fowl smells abroad! !!
I agree with your assessment on this vehicle. I would demand an inspection by a professional appraiser before any purchase over the internet. Enjoy your pointing out areas that need careful inspection prior to purchase! Thx!
I'll never understand why when the Internet came along, people thought buying a used car on line was now somehow safe. It's even worse with classic cars.
Well without doubt we know you can fix the unibody cars. Your SEMA Stang proves that. Probably the best unibody fabrication ever seen:) You built yours the way it should have been from the factory - great fabrication.
Yep it's a mess. If the seller claims it is safe and drivable, then they had to have looked at it. I do love that color, and especially what appear to be 14" American Racing Torque Thrust wheels with real tires on them. Thank you for naming these scumbags. But be prepared for a lawsuit. Slime like this has no morals, all they care about is money
First and foremost, they sold that rust bucket to a US solder! For that alone they should be ashamed.. I also noticed they didn't put the fly wheel front cover back on. How the hell do these car sales people sleep at night, I couldn't. But I guess that's why I've never sold cars.
Some places will give you a gift card if you leave a five star review. Two people I know had their kitchens remodeled by the same kitchen and bath company and were offered a fifty dollar gift card if they gave a five star google review. This same company brags in their advertisements about how many five star google reviews they have.
Rule of thumb: Never buy a car over the internet unless it has been inspected by a mechanic that you know and trust. So many people sell classic cars that look like a silk purse on the outside, but when you look beneath the pretty paint and chrome it's just an old sow's ear.
Great video. Shame your client got taken. Visited their website and looked at ads for several vehicles, including a couple of Mustangs. Conveniently, the pictures are all up top with virtually no pictures of the underside of bodies or suspension/drivetrain areas. The few there were are middle of floor pans, which are often solid regardless of condition of rockers and quarters. That speaks volumes about how they operate.
Was it flippers like this that started the whole thing about not getting a classic car wet, ever? Some guys won't even wash their cars with a garden hose! If you've got rust in places you can't normally see, and covered in Bondo where you can, never getting it wet will buy some time. Enough time for the check to clear for sure. And yeah, I'd call that car unsafe at any speed.
That's as good as if I tried! Really enjoying the education, thanks. In the UK if you buy from a dealer there's consumer law, it must be" sold as described and fit for it's purpose for a reasonable amount of time ". Still get problems but it's a decent place to start.
Wow I just can’t believe someone would spend big money on an old car without having someone who knows what they are actually looking at inspect it first. A fool and his money will soon part.
Hi Kiwi, always appreciate your evaluation of cars. Have a question for you, i own a 67 convertible like this one and purchased a set of the taillight applique panels for it. Do you have any tips for installing them? I know they replace the turnsignal bezels on both sides but have no directions on where to drill the other mounting holes. Would you think my best option is to make cardboard copies and mark the holes on my taillight panel? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
He is going to say take it somewhere like his shop so they can charge 5k and tell you it needs 800k to be "safe" and factory new .....not knocking the hustle knocking his pettiness for being angry a customer didn't wanna spend that kinda cash and 2 years on a car that's 96% drivable now and keeping it 100 with u homie
This same thing is going on really bad on Jeep CJs in the Online Auction world! Be very lery and listen to comments people post trying to help an unsuspecting buyer purchase a Jeep that is a total hack job. These are great videos. Keep posting them.
Always have a classic auto inspected and put up on a rack , for a thorough inspection , before purchasing , no matter how stunning it looks top side !!!
Too bad the guy that bought it didn't look under the car . I do that ,check the oil ,tranny and radiator ,before I buy anything . And if you don't, have a buddy or relative to look at it with you. Its a shame that they won't take it back ,but after the keyboard warrior's finish with him they ,will !!!! Another good one Kiwi . Your like a magnet to these cars. Hahahaha. 😎👍
If a dealer puts any kind of restrictions on getting a car inspected, that should be a complete deal-breaker. Go somewhere else. Sad thing is, it's not just old cars that this thing happens with. I see a lot of people come into my shop with normal cars that just bought them, and had no inspection. Sad.
Pop riveting the drop downs could have happened at any time in the last 30-40 years. The other repairs look old too. Being in rust country I've been seeing bad repairs on old Mustangs and Fords for a long time. I was seeing stuff like this on these cars 30 years ago. The seller may not have done any of it. But... 99.9% chance they knew about it, bought it cheap because of it and passed it on. Rust bits inside the rails are common place on cars in road salt country. Sometimes it means a serious problem other times no.
I've seen body's done that way , spot welds , support brackets made of scrap metal, rivets instead of welding or at minimum panel bond. Yes that was done the same as a pure stock dirt car for local circle track racing on dirt. I've built many myself and have seem that many times. That's a 7 thousand dollar car at most and that customer should've been informed it wasn't a quality service or build and that's why price is so low.
For me, butchery is bad enough but when these hacks start screwing with structural items (like frame rails, engine mounts ect) it become criminal because the car is not safe to drive. I live in a state where they do a half decent inspection of a car (Massachusetts) but they still don’t lift the car and look underneath. That car is not safe to drive. In Massachusetts we have a 30 day “lemon” law where is anything is wrong with the car (that wasn’t listed on the sale) it has to be repaired or a full refund.
Thank you! I find these kind of videos very informative. A lot of us might be in the market but far from experts so these vids are a good starting point on what sort of things to look for before we even have it inspected
Yer buyer beware - Years back I bought what I thought was a stunning MGB in Iris Blue, chrome wire wheels etc it gleamed in the sun... so so shiny! Once home the truth became clear, most panels were full of filler, a piece of boiler plate had been used for both floors etc etc... I'd bought the car privately so had no comeback. I hadn't looked at it well enough as I didn't know to much about the cars. But I learnt a hell of a lot about structural issues and rust etc etc and in all the later classic cars I've had over the years I've never made the same mistake.
I dont understand why people wait till after purchase to get an inspection. Get it before, if seller doesn't let you it means they dont want you to find what they are hiding.
I call them M & M cars...a shiny colorful coating on the outside with a soft brown inside. My first car was one of those. Expensive lesson for a kid in 1973, but my next car was carefully checked out underneath, and I still have it 50 years later.
It’s not that hard to educate yourself on the type of car your looking for . With the help of this channel and other channels and other enthusiasts forums very easy to figure out how to see for your self and get inspection . I’m a fan of Kaiser Car’s and with the help of club members they have been more then happy to tell me what to look for and problem areas . First best step join a club many members have cars for sale and you also get a support system for that vehicle from senior members .
There was a classic car dealership where my dad lives, actually two of them and both within the last 18 months have went out of business, I wouldn't doubt that they were selling the same polished turds.
Have to ask , why would someone purchase a vehicle & then take it to be inspected ? Seems a backward way of making a purchase . Have given thought to a classic convertible, but after horror stories as this , am starting to think a new Miata or BMW may be a better option .
There are good ones out there but they take a bit of finding. When you do find one and it seems a bit high..... buy it anyway. The pain of overpaying a little will fade to nothing in a year where as this purchase will burn for a long long time!!!
I have a 1963 Falcon that my father bought for me almost 50 years ago. It is an Oklahoma car originally and had a lot of floorboard rust. This is a common problem with Fords of that era.
If I've learned anything from you and Uncle Tony it's that if your planning on buying a classic car, pay an inspector, if you can't do it yourself. once you sign, it's yours.
The moral of the story. If the seller makes it hard to inspect. Run!
Well sir this is really used vehicle 101. If you are looking to buy a vehicle and the seller refuses to allow you to inspect the vehicle, or have the vehicle inspected, then that is a deal breaker. And a lot of the time we get emotional about buying these vehicles as we always wanted one, and now we have a chance to get one and they are oh so pretty but hide a lot of structural problems that have been repaired in such a way to just get it out the door. As Kiwi stated "Buyer beware".
Fast and far
They took a $2,500 car, put a $500 paint job, some Bilstein shocks and a few other things they could point out, then sold it for $45,000. That's theft by deception as far as I'm concerned. And the price makes it a felony. I'd be filing a lawsuit and pressing charges against these crooks
This is fraud.
That's not theft by deception.
@moparnut part of theft by deception defines selling fraudulent merchandise while giving the impression its real falls into this category, they sold a vehicle on the terms of it being 100% repaired/restored to/better than factory specifications. And its clearly not. Hope this helps you better understand why they said that.
This is Democracy, we the people scare the crooks shitless and they do what they should have done from the beginning and make it right!
i would be suing as wee, this is absolute theft and unsafe
I noticed the Marines plate on the front. I’m thinking a retired vet bought this as a present to himself. A word of caution - classic muscle cars are best avoided unless you are very mechanically inclined. I made the same mistake but at 21, and for a lot less $. That’s at least a teachable moment. Spending part of your retirement on a gift to yourself and then realizing you’ve been taken is not a teachable moment, it’s just a gut wrenching and heartbreaking loss.
You are spot on!! Having that conversation with him is the worst part of this job. I had a customer that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, also a vet and his kids bought him a 57 tbird as his final gift and it was just as bad as this Mustang. That was a conversation I'll not soon forget. We decided to keep that information from his kids as they'd tried to do something special for him and the dealer wasn't going to take that from them. Quite few very late nights later I got it into a workable state so he could at least enjoy it for a little while...........
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What makes it even worse is the price they paid for the car. I looked up the company and under their sold cars, They had this very car. It sold for $44900. For that money I would expect the car to be in much better condition.
How people are so willing to open their wallet on a $45k car without an inspection is beyond me.
@@jimamizzi1 A lot of people are not car people. They like the look and feel of driving a vintage car, but know little when it comes to structure and all. So they look on the vintage car websites. The website for this company was very well done. All the cars were slick and shiny, they had good reviews unless you looked deeper. Since most people's experience with buying cars is from a new car dealership, they assume these vintage cars are going to be in like new condition. Well they are not.
@@jimamizzi1 People see that a dealership is selling the vehicle and they mistakenly believe that laws exist to prevent a dealership from selling structurally deficient vehicles like this. Then they learn the hard way that this isn't the case...
OMG are you kidding. Not trying to be a jerk but I paid 24k for my 64.5, granted it's not a convertible but it's solid all the way around. The inspection magnet showed next to nothing. No rust at all and the motor was fairly hot. It's on my channel if you want to take a look. That price blows me away.
A lot of people are not car people is so true. A good reason to consult with someone who is, with this kind of money on the line.@@mypointofview6056
Well done Kiwi in naming these crooks, they should be held accountable & jailed for putting peoples lives at risk. I wouldn't be buying anything from AP VINTAGE MOTORS & neither should anyone else.
Cheers & stay safe🙂
Appreciate you dropping the name so others can be wary.
I'm 70 years old. My Sister bought a 68 from Rockville Ford in the DC area. We use to call them " Rustangs ". Those Crooks took a rusted up junker and did a Crapjob cover-up. Like you said, looks nice from a distance. Wait till the Rust starts to show thru where it was hidden. So sad to see this. A friend of a friend was looking at a Car from those Crooks, but when they made it near impossible to do a PPI, he said his gut feeling told him NO . They love their Pop Rivets. Can see a gaggle of them in the Drivers side lower Fender. Good job sir.
Way to go AP Vintage Motors LLC. There are some nice Baptist churches around your dealership, why dont you visit one.
I would be afraid to even lift the car up on the hoist with how they scabbed things together
Yes, better to roll it over a pit for the initial inspection to see if there is enough structure to lift it.
The owner needs to contact a lawyer it's definitely not safe and the dealership should be made accountable.
It is the same thing with houses. People look at the cosmetics, but not at the structure. People are more concerned about the color of the countertop and the smell of new paint than with structural integrity and design.
There are always people who take advantage of that knowledge, and sell what people are looking at, and then those who purchased find they got screwed.
I always laugh at people on TV who are recorded giving their impression of the house they
Looking to buy. They pass on the house because the color of the walls and rugs 😅😅
I bought a house that was not selling the main reason was the interior painting. The wife painted the hallway Grey with pink ceiling and other rooms dark brown it had a huge kitchen 2 full bathrooms fully tiled. Big basement out to a big 2 car garage. I bought it 195,000 in 2001 I painted the interior blinged out the bathrooms. No repair were needed except a water heater. I sold 4 years later for 349,000.00 and got full price.
Pathetic. It would NEVER pass a safety inspection here in Canada.Patches are ok I guess IF the welding is done completely and properly and this car is a scab job. Time to get 20 angry customers together and call out this stealership.
Great video Kiwi. I’ve learned a lot from your videos about what to look out for on these older cars and how they go together. Sad that this person got saddled with a car that’s not even safe to drive. Thanks again for the info. Glad there’s guys like you out that are willing to call out these dealerships and sellers for the poor work they try to hide! 👍🏻
Strange how many of these Mustangs seem to be like this. My neighbor has a sixties Mustang he's selling for $7,000, and there's another one in a junkyard not too far from me that he's not going to crush (not sure what he'd want for it though,) but both of them, at the very least, are fairly solid, all original cars. It's very strange to me how a lot of people will jump to spend far more money on what, in my opinion, are much worse vehicles. I mean I've done some crappy repairs in my time, booger welds on a $450 pickup truck to get the bedside to stop flopping around, spot welding and mudding old roofing tin to a body panel on a $500 car, but these are all vehicles that I consider myself to be the final owner of, not stuff that I expect to last long enough to sell, and especially not stuff I intend to deceive people into thinking has been restored. If I was to sell one of my cars that I've done that kind of work to, I'd probably want somewhere between $200 and $1,200, depending on the vehicle and how badly I've worn it out. I would take one of those over some of these weld practice sheets being sold as cars.
I have parts of an old grill lid self tappered and glued to my quarter panels lol. Going to scrap the car on Saturday been driving it a year and beating it up good
In my opinion, they are literally becoming a meme.
I've worked on only a few classic cars in my life but every single one I saw someone buy has been like this, just miles deep of covered up problems.
I always say, if a guy wants a classic muscle car or hotrod, find one in original condition and build it yourself.
You are right, this is commonplace. I remember my first car , a 68 Chevelle needing the frame fixed and that was when the car was less than 20 years old and a full frame car. Fact is these cars are ancient by this point and patch jobs like this is very very common, heck it was common 30 plus years ago. Buyer beware and if you can’t prove everything is good them expect the worst.
Had this Mustang been much much cheaper I would think, oh well….but for big money that was paid this is criminal in my view and I hope the owner pursues some recourse. It would cost a fortune to redo this car, and we haven’t even talked about the drivetrain. Shamefull.
@@peterl2017 yup. he'd be paying around 80k for a 35k car on its best day. And in that case a guy could go out and buy a professionally done LSpowered Pro tour car from the 60/70s. I feel bad for the guy or gal.
@@ILoveFossilFuel Just looking at the pictures, let alone asking an expert for advice would have helped without even seeing the car. Go to the website and look at the pictures.
Am I the only one who bothers to crawl under a car with my flashlight to look for stuff like this before I buy it?
No not the only one but there certainly isn't enough of you doing that....
Hey Kiwi. Definitely with you here, very bodgey job. Their claim "Oh its a 50+ year old car" holds no water, unlike all those body gaps. If it was sold as a 50yo project at a project price, fair enough. Did I spy a big bow and gap in that left hand floor pan to rocker seam under the door at 6:19 ? Repairs, either do them right, or not at all. Would certainly not pass an Aussie RWC or NZ WOF like that.
Lol...........saw that too. The metal looked like a stack of Pringles potato chips.
Probably wouldn't pass a British MOT either.
And for sure it would not pass the Austrian tech inspection.The oilleak alone i saw would prohibit it,not to speak about the rust and the unprofessional repair attempts. At the moment they check for +/- 250 different items. Every year.
We don't like wof's and harsh border checks, but man do they detect shit like this.
Agree. Yes it's a 50yo car but it's a $2k project rolling shell not a $45k 'classic'. Just the price infers a structurally sound, driving legal car with no major issues or parts missing
Great video! Sad to see this kind of butchery. Personally, I would never buy a car online, especially a classic one, without getting up close to see the bones. It's like someone put frosting on a turd cake.
I have a few of those in my Shop right now...dodgy 'body work' covered with shiny paint and retailed for five or six figures. The Worst was a 'restored' Merc convertible (1964) for $300,000. Some of the Worst crap i have ever seen covered in paint. I have two separate Merc Coupes which had been bought by unsuspecting buyers ,One didn't have a floor! which came in for a tune up and I couldn't lift it on the hoist. The other one caught fire because of 50 year old fuel lines breaking .and the owner paid $30,000 for it.
But on the other hand I told a mate hear in OZ to fly to the US to check out a classic car .He was glad he did as it was advertised online as a convertible,but was actually a tudor with the roof cut off!.
Just imagine trying to get that on the road if you imported it into New Zealand. Not having a metal roof makes all this so much more dangerous as that floor and surrounding structure from the front to the back of the vehicle is all that is holding it together in the middle. Add in ferrous oxide custom crumple zones and you're dead in a crash.
These cars up in the northern rust belt were piles of rust when they were 10 years old. I guess with the increases in prices, they're being "repaired" enough so they can get by. This one isn't as bad as the ones around me. A good welder and someone grinding off all the bondo and undercoating could make this safe in my opinion. The undercoating is the red flag I never ignore. I've seen vehicles from old Jeeps to classics with that crap on the bottom and that's a deal breaker.
I'm in Ohio and know something about rust too. If you see undercoating on something is it a deal breaker b/c it may be hiding something or is it the moisture it could hold and will rust down the road?
@@tchrisou812 Both, plus it can hide stuff like pop riveted patches
@@tchrisou812 Under coating is the worst thing you can put on. It will make it rust way faster
Unless you do it correctly, and keep it to the wheel wells...@@frenchonion4595
And makes a flaming mess when you start to weld it back together correctly!
Unfortunately people who don’t know usually do not want to pay for someone to take a look at it for them. Also a mechanic isn’t the one you want. You need a body guy to look.
That's true but in this case inspections were actively discouraged
Exactly as you stated - UNSAFE! 🤕
Hi Kiwi, Another Proper Video, Thanks so others can learn... Its Junk! Can't even tell if it was a first timers Bad Job to Sell or another Scammer Flip? How do they Sleep? Cheers!
These are the types of shoddy repairs I would have expected to be done in someone's home garage or at a buddy's shop when cars like this were 15 to 20 year old rusted-out junkers worth 100 or 200 bucks and they just needed to be kept on the road one more year until they could save up to buy a new car. The fact that now people are throwing on nice paint jobs and refinishing the interiors, all while letting the underneath and mechanics of these vehicles remain in an absolute shamble, is frankly really disturbing. These aren't $200 cars anymore, more like 20 to 40,000 $ before you even start thinking about buying one today. Once you know a little bit about these cars, it's pretty easy to start spotting the issues... But most people who buy stuff like this will only ever get it inspected if there's a problem. I'm sure there's plenty of people who drive their car to go get ice cream and then down to the car show and that's the only time they ever drive there classic... meanwhile the whole thing's a structural disaster probably waiting to fall apart if it's ever driven in the rain or hit a pothole. It's really sad that these things have gone up so much in cost, and it seems like the actual real value of so many examples is just decreasing with such shoddy work everywhere. I really appreciate the fact that you continue to showcase these vehicles, and I desperately hope that they're making it to the non-car people who are thinking about buying these either as a fun weekend toy or as an investment and make them reconsider or at least get pre purchase inspections.
I think I got lucky. Last month I bought a 65 Corvair (sight unseen) from an acquaintance in Indiana. I'm in AZ. I was sent a boatload of pictures, all of which looked good. When I got the car, it was all that he said, and more. Probably because the seller and I are both in the same Corvair club, the seller was honest. I was really on pins and needles waiting for its arrival, but I actually got more car than I paid for. I feel sorry for the ones who get ripped off. It does the automotive community no good to have shady people selling junk.
Man this makes me feel like SOMEONE should do a video on what to look for, for people that would buy something like this. Looking at you Kiwi about making that video. This one is a peach. I couldn't even ever understand coming to the conclusion this person did making these repairs.
These are videos about what to look for when buying.
Well sir Kiwi does a video on what to look for every time he posts these types of videos. Unfortunately, it is such a situation where we have closed the barn door after the horse got out so to speak. With all the information out here on You Tube and other channels it would behoove someone looking for one of these "restored" beauties to view them as part of the educational process to have an idea of what to look for.
@@billywird well said
That car is a dangerous pile of scrap, the car should go straight back and the dealer should be charged with selling a dangerous vehicle.
Just another lesson in getting someone qualified to check out your prospective purchase. A few hundred up front can save thousands down the line. Great vid. A mate had a saying for cars like this - he used to call them "mudguards" - shiny on top but sh*t underneath".
I went to their website and several other reporting agencies like the BBB. A lot of the reviews stated that AP wouldn't allow any of the 3rd party mechanics do an inspection. For me, that would've been a major red flag and I would've ran. But unfortunately a lot of the buyers aren't savy to this stuff and are getting taken advantage of and being ripped off. What's even worse is AP is requiring a $500 nonrefundable deposit.
Kiwi, thank you for doing your own, classic car flipper videos! I, just sent an email, to the seller. Everyone, should do the same.
Selling something that defective should be a crime.
In New Zealand it is! It's called the consumer guarantees act and it basically means that if you sell it, it has be able to do what is intended for. If not you have to fix or refund
Great video. Detroit never expected their cars would last to begin with. Especially in Northern areas with salt on the roads in winter.
Very true! Thanks for watching
My friend own a Mustang restoration company. We have seen this way to many times. At today’s prices a true mustang restoration is about 56-78k. So scumbags buy a rusted out from the rust belt and slap crap on it. If you see a so-called restored Mustang for sale under 30k it’s a rust rust bucket. Quality ain’t cheap Cheap ain’t Quality! No inspection NO SALE!
So very true!!!
Roughly how much would that owner be up for to rectify all the faults with the Mustang? It looks like some major structural work is needed.
At least twenty grand...
More like 30K
A few months ago I bought a running, '84 GT 350 5.0 5 speed carbureted convertible. Completely original and unmolested.
Not a speck of rust anywhere. Not in the floors, not in the towers.
I paid $5500. I think I scored.
I'd say so!😎
Not as bad as the others you’ve had on the channel, but definitely a flipper. Maximum return for a minimum restoration.
Thanks Kiwi its a shame that these people can get away with this kind a business. Profits before conscience makes me wonder how do they sleep at night.
Criminals have no problem sleeping after what they have done.
Bottom line, don't be a moron. Learn about what's right, what's wrong & go to where the vehicle's at & put eyes & hands on it yourself. If you don't, you deserve what you get. The Danny Deepockets & Dick Dastardly's are who drove & keep driving up prices. If you don't know what you're doing, buy a Kia & be happy. Again, no pity.
That car ain't bad they didn't wanna pay 500k to drive a very close to drivable car the 500k will make it factory new again but kiwi straight tripping on this one just Iverson the customer not wanting a whole frame off
Glad you called them out. Many make videos like this but refuse to call a place out that consistently take people for a ride.
Wow. Name dropping is important. If you grew up up north where cars were usually badly rotten by they time they were 10 years old back in the 1980's you learned to have a mechanic look at a car before buying. A good bondo sculptor can hide a lot of sins.
When rust is painted, the paint adds just enough structure that the car is now safe, is my theory.
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Another great example of people being bamboozled by used car dealers. If you are buying a classic (or any kind really) car it needs to be inspected buy someone you know and or trust to do an in depth inspection. If the dealer says no or has any other restrictions about it, WALK AWAY. Great job Kiwi and my condolences to the buyer of this good looking 67 drop top. Hope they can get it sorted somehow...🤓
The only way to stop this is talking about it. If your in the hobby and know that this goes on, you need to enlighten anyone that's thinking about buying a classic.
I am a retired ASE mechanic
at this point but do still offer to look at anything someone is about to purchase at my home shop free of charge. I also will spread the word as much as I can.@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
you really are doing a great service to all classic car owners
That's one of the best mustang's I've ever seen. Had a half dozen of them and after a few years of being new they would fall apart. Springs came up through the trunk, floorboards and tork boxes like paper ,front springs came up through the towers. This one is almost new. He he . That is one reason that the rare good ones are expensive. Good video . Thanks
Cheers man and thanks for watching!!
Disgraceful on the part of the seller. I hope the buyer can take some legal action. Thanks for the video.
Well, she's not the worst you've shon us, mate, but she's certainly not an example of how things should be done - that's for sure.
Patches on rails are ok if they aren't butting up to other patches and have good steel penetration......but this isn't the case in this poor wee beast. The '67 is one of my favourite years for the Mustang, so it's sort-of gutting for me to look at. What you didn't mention was something the camera caught. The pinch-welding that should be holding all three layers of inner / outer sill and floor pan together, is not only too far between - if you look at the seam where all three should be held tightly together, they aren't and the metal is already rusting away between the layers ad bulging them out between where they have been plug-welded. There is also a huge gap where the torque boxes at the front of the vehicle join the sills - which is in addition to the redirection of any and all water directly into the front footwells by the rotating tyres when it rains.
I have only watched this video the one time, but given another run-through, I could probably see more that you've probably already seen but not mentioned too.....and I'm seeing it on a 15" laptop screen! Given that, if it is that obvious that it is wrong to ME, then I cannot understand the attitude of the dealer. Do they have the equivalent of the LMVDI / MVD Tribunal or the MVTR over there? How about something like the Consumer Guarantees Act? These would protect your client even if he had indeed purchased a car with many unknown faults - regardless of whether the dealer agreed or not. Mind you, our WoF system would not have passed that vehicle anyway and any vehicle sold by a dealer must have at least 5 months left on a WoF when sold.
I also cannot comprehend how the dealer does not see the rotting front rails as an issue at least. The gaps in the welding, gaps between patches and other bodywork, the patches on patches, the filler in structural areas, the riveting used instead of welding and the poor workmanship of the repairs all aside, the rust and holes are obvious in those front rails and in several other spots and they compromise what remains of the structural integrity that the misfitting panels and bodging don't already reduce. Over here, he'd go for a skate if not have his license revoked and name blacklisted. If it cannot be resolved with local law, the States is at least 30 years behind NZ in that regard....and shouldn't be. They have more of these classics on the road than we have people in this whole country to drive them!
Man, I lambaste and outright bitch about some of the anal and downright draconic or stupidly severe laws we have here that govern what you can and cannot do with a vehicle and the severely anal rust laws - where even a rusty mark from stone chips gets mentioned as a comment on the WoF sheet as a thing to watch! - but when I see things like this and the attitude of other UA-camrs who put things back on the road in that - or worse - condition, I am reminded of the rusty and bogged-up cars of the 70s and 80s and the little protection they provided and I am glad we've got so many processes in place to stop them.....even if it does make it bloody difficult to re-vin a car that's been in storage for 20 years and someone let the rego lapse.
Here's hoping your client can get traction with the dealer. It would be a painfully expensive lesson if not. All the best
We have "lemon" laws here in the states. Unfortunately it varies by state and locality. Usually involves state police, then escalates from there.
Think about how someone probably got paid to rig all that up too. Sad! Are those bondo's over dent puller holes in the lower drivers fender?
You give me a grinder with 4 different wheels/wire wheels, some cardboard and pencil and scissors to cut some patterns, some gloves, a ESAB140, a helmet and goggles, 6 square feet of 18 gauge, a gallon of black rustoleum with 4 paint brushes, $2,000 and two days and I'll have the underside of that Mustang looking so good even the Kiwi man wouldn't holler too much.🤣
If you could fix that in two days I'd gladly pay you that ! 😄
Well, I look at those old cars different than most do these days. And my repair, no, it wouldn't be perfect, but you need to know i'm 66 years old, and 45 years ago, I was buying old cars like that for a few hundred dollars and just patching them up and driving the things. I remember in 1976, still in high school, a 65 Mustang a friend named Wayne bought, we put such big tires on it in the back that they would rub on the inner fenders in the back if anyone sat in the backseat. Another example, I bought a 1970 Plymouth Gran Coup Barracuda in 1982 for $500 with a blown up 383 and I took the 440 super commando out of my wrecked GTX and put it in it. In my opinion, none of those cars were that well built, and they were rusting out after only a few years. To try and make them perfect is not really worth it in my opinion. I was really into mopars back then, because they were cheap, so had a few. They were really poorly designed, with tendency to rust in the quarters and bad electronics. As I remember, they would just out a few ballast resistors in a line to cut down voltage -- from the factory! Anyway, I worked on the things enough back then, I just don;t have the illusions about them as others, or maybe ours were just kids cars, bought cheap, worked on by us who half the time didn't really know what we were doing. I guess I'll always think of them like that, sort of just cobbled together even from the factory. And when I see people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for an old Plymouth, when we used to buy them cheap, I bought a 1971 Plymouth GTX in 1981 in pretty good shape for $1,350. I just think the things are way overpriced. To my mind, those cars were just made to fix and drive. Not to spend $100,000 on and try and make new. That's what I meant with my comment. Yeah, once I was done, you could pick it apart, say it's not perfect, true. But it's just an old Ford, made to be driven,not perfected as some type of almighty goal. But, you do you. I still think the things can be affordable, cheap transportation, not some type of life goal for perfection. But, to each his own as they say. Good luck. I enjoy your channel!@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
This is dangerous and ought to be criminal charges involved against seller....basically a colinder with structural bondo....good on you for calling them out
My pop use to buy old mustangs and would pour water down the cowl vents in front of the windscreen. Often water would flow into the interior footwells, a clear sign of rust-through. A repair would involve cutting holes into the top of the cowl or removing the fenders to gain access from the side.
Yeah that's a chronic area on them!
Well done Kiwi, this car is a disaster, a rolling death trap, thanks for naming the dealer who sold this POS
I have no idea who did the work on this car but they probably make more money than I do doing it right........
I was looking for a Mustang convertible years ago. I always had GM products, with full frames, or the unibody had subframes. Possible to take it apart and fix it properly. The Stangs I looked at? All were so rotted, and seeing that the skills to properly fix them? The time? You'd have to make a fixture? One as soon as I opened the door, you can see the body bend.
As bad as this Mustang is, you'd have been laughing like crazy at the Cougar I worked on a month ago, 10x worse. Ball joints never tightened on top of really, really bad patch panels and bondo over rusty a pillars and windshield pouring water in when it rained.
Enthusiasts: Please have the car/truck inspected by a reputable shop before buying, if they won't allow it, do NOT buy it!!!
That is a death trap! Its criminal what some supposedly reputable businesses do.
Wow what a death trap, can you imagine taking your grandkids out in a ride in that car and someone rear-end you at a red light or crosses the lane and hit you head on that car would fold up and everybody would be either extremely injured or killed, these Crooks ought to be held accountable for their unsafe death traps that they are selling
That scares me to buy another classic. I guess it depends what the guy paid. The foundation isn’t good though. I expect maybe a cheap floorboard patch as long as I can have it replaced correctly but stuff like rails and torque boxes? I’d walk.
Happy Wednesday Kiwi and fellow Kiwiians! Yeah. I agree. Thats a car I'm going to go after eventually and that car would be passed right by...Then I'll bring that one to Kiwi as well, after our 67 Fastback, that is.
Yeah there's one or two watching. Thanks for being one of them
I always watch, just not able to comment as much during summertime. Busy, busy, busy. My wife is better from her surgery, we should see you next spring with the 67 Fastback.
Will you fix this ? I hope so.
Any of these old pony cars or muscle cars have a high probability of looking like this. For fast, best to stick with new. A nice current gen Chally will set you back $30K-$40K (depending on year/miles/options), come with free returns for 10 days, 100 day warranty and extended warranty from Carvana. I’ve done it twice and any mechanical issues were addressed quickly and free of charge. Also, modern Challys are faster, safer, more comfortable and more reliable than these 60 year old rigs.
When I buy vintage I stick with large cars. No one’s going to patch together a ‘68 Galaxie or Marquis like this.
From their website " All of the vehicles that are at our dealership whether consignment or owned go through a rigorous process before sale.
-Paint body and then detail.
-Interior work if needed.
-Mechanical / Safety inspection.
-2 mile test drive.
Once we are ready to put a vehicle for sale it is turn key! We do not simply re sell a vehicle we put time into each and every one of them. For which we hold a higher standard for our vehicles." Based on this video....total lies~!
Yeah that would apear to be the case !
Was the car lot mentioned by anyone?
@@Coronetguy I thought I did or at least made it easy for you you figure out.
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 you absolutely did Kiwi. I missed it. I went back and found it. Good for you for informing the people of the fowl smells abroad! !!
@@Coronetguy 😉
I agree with your assessment on this vehicle. I would demand an inspection by a professional appraiser before any purchase over the internet. Enjoy your pointing out areas that need careful inspection prior to purchase! Thx!
I'll never understand why when the Internet came along, people thought buying a used car on line was now somehow safe. It's even worse with classic cars.
Well without doubt we know you can fix the unibody cars.
Your SEMA Stang proves that.
Probably the best unibody fabrication ever seen:)
You built yours the way it should have been from the factory - great fabrication.
Thanks man!!!
Kiwi you’re the Batman of classic cars. KAPOW! BAM! ZOWIE! to the bad guys.
🤣😂. Ahhh I used to watch that show on tv and I think it was a new show then😝
Yep it's a mess. If the seller claims it is safe and drivable, then they had to have looked at it. I do love that color, and especially what appear to be 14" American Racing Torque Thrust wheels with real tires on them.
Thank you for naming these scumbags. But be prepared for a lawsuit. Slime like this has no morals, all they care about is money
Well I hope your wrong, I did only tell the truth.....
First and foremost, they sold that rust bucket to a US solder! For that alone they should be ashamed.. I also noticed they didn't put the fly wheel front cover back on. How the hell do these car sales people sleep at night, I couldn't. But I guess that's why I've never sold cars.
I think if you pay google, they'll show only your good reviews - or make the bad ones more difficult to find.
Some places will give you a gift card if you leave a five star review. Two people I know had their kitchens remodeled by the same kitchen and bath company and were offered a fifty dollar gift card if they gave a five star google review. This same company brags in their advertisements about how many five star google reviews they have.
These People Should Be Ashamed Of themselves 😢
Rule of thumb: Never buy a car over the internet unless it has been inspected by a mechanic that you know and trust. So many people sell classic cars that look like a silk purse on the outside, but when you look beneath the pretty paint and chrome it's just an old sow's ear.
Great video. Shame your client got taken. Visited their website and looked at ads for several vehicles, including a couple of Mustangs. Conveniently, the pictures are all up top with virtually no pictures of the underside of bodies or suspension/drivetrain areas. The few there were are middle of floor pans, which are often solid regardless of condition of rockers and quarters. That speaks volumes about how they operate.
Was it flippers like this that started the whole thing about not getting a classic car wet, ever? Some guys won't even wash their cars with a garden hose!
If you've got rust in places you can't normally see, and covered in Bondo where you can, never getting it wet will buy some time. Enough time for the check to clear for sure.
And yeah, I'd call that car unsafe at any speed.
Great place to LOOK at cars, and BUY IF you're a mechanic and you have your buddy the body guy with you!
Exactly!!
Much appreciated Kiwi ;) These shonks are a low level species for sure....
I go with your assessment Kiwi as you know your stuff especially these older Mustangs!
That's as good as if I tried!
Really enjoying the education, thanks.
In the UK if you buy from a dealer there's consumer law, it must be"
sold as described and fit for it's purpose for a reasonable amount of time ". Still get problems but it's a decent place to start.
Yes!! Similar in New Zealand and Australia
Wow I just can’t believe someone would spend big money on an old car without having someone who knows what they are actually looking at inspect it first. A fool and his money will soon part.
Hi Kiwi, always appreciate your evaluation of cars. Have a question for you, i own a 67 convertible like this one and purchased a set of the taillight applique panels for it. Do you have any tips for installing them? I know they replace the turnsignal bezels on both sides but have no directions on where to drill the other mounting holes. Would you think my best option is to make cardboard copies and mark the holes on my taillight panel? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
He is going to say take it somewhere like his shop so they can charge 5k and tell you it needs 800k to be "safe" and factory new .....not knocking the hustle knocking his pettiness for being angry a customer didn't wanna spend that kinda cash and 2 years on a car that's 96% drivable now and keeping it 100 with u homie
I had a '67 'Rustang' fastback 30 years ago,I fell for the shiny red paint. Now they're twice the age so yep,buyer beware!
Retail Red, gets em every time 😉. And Thankyou for admitting that once you got caught too. It happens to the best of us
Get the 20 upset owners together and file a class action lawsuit.
This same thing is going on really bad on Jeep CJs in the Online Auction world! Be very lery and listen to comments people post trying to help an unsuspecting buyer purchase a Jeep that is a total hack job. These are great videos. Keep posting them.
Always have a classic auto inspected and put up on a rack , for a thorough inspection , before purchasing , no matter how stunning it looks top side !!!
Good advice!!
Too bad the guy that bought it didn't look under the car . I do that ,check the oil ,tranny and radiator ,before I buy anything . And if you don't, have a buddy or relative to look at it with you. Its a shame that they won't take it back ,but after the keyboard warrior's finish with him they ,will !!!! Another good one Kiwi . Your like a magnet to these cars. Hahahaha. 😎👍
If a dealer puts any kind of restrictions on getting a car inspected, that should be a complete deal-breaker. Go somewhere else. Sad thing is, it's not just old cars that this thing happens with. I see a lot of people come into my shop with normal cars that just bought them, and had no inspection. Sad.
Pop riveting the drop downs could have happened at any time in the last 30-40 years. The other repairs look old too. Being in rust country I've been seeing bad repairs on old Mustangs and Fords for a long time. I was seeing stuff like this on these cars 30 years ago. The seller may not have done any of it. But... 99.9% chance they knew about it, bought it cheap because of it and passed it on.
Rust bits inside the rails are common place on cars in road salt country. Sometimes it means a serious problem other times no.
I've seen body's done that way , spot welds , support brackets made of scrap metal, rivets instead of welding or at minimum panel bond.
Yes that was done the same as a pure stock dirt car for local circle track racing on dirt.
I've built many myself and have seem that many times.
That's a 7 thousand dollar car at most and that customer should've been informed it wasn't a quality service or build and that's why price is so low.
It was advertised for 44K😳 you and the seller don't seem to be on the same page re the value🤔😉
For me, butchery is bad enough but when these hacks start screwing with structural items (like frame rails, engine mounts ect) it become criminal because the car is not safe to drive. I live in a state where they do a half decent inspection of a car (Massachusetts) but they still don’t lift the car and look underneath. That car is not safe to drive. In Massachusetts we have a 30 day “lemon” law where is anything is wrong with the car (that wasn’t listed on the sale) it has to be repaired or a full refund.
I couldn't agree more! There should be a safety inspection in all states. Structural rust and or repairs plus suspension being key to the inspection.
Thank you! I find these kind of videos very informative. A lot of us might be in the market but far from experts so these vids are a good starting point on what sort of things to look for before we even have it inspected
Glad it was helpful!
Boy I'm glad I watched this. The dealer always has some interesting cars. Sounds like most of them are basket cases
We appreciate you showing what to look for and what can be hidden from view. So sad for the customer.
Yer buyer beware - Years back I bought what I thought was a stunning MGB in Iris Blue, chrome wire wheels etc it gleamed in the sun... so so shiny! Once home the truth became clear, most panels were full of filler, a piece of boiler plate had been used for both floors etc etc... I'd bought the car privately so had no comeback. I hadn't looked at it well enough as I didn't know to much about the cars. But I learnt a hell of a lot about structural issues and rust etc etc and in all the later classic cars I've had over the years I've never made the same mistake.
That's a tough lesson to learn..... 😕
Another lesson I learnt from the MG experience is don't look at a car at night! The look even better ha ha.
I dont understand why people wait till after purchase to get an inspection. Get it before, if seller doesn't let you it means they dont want you to find what they are hiding.
glad you named the dealership,hopefully your vid will come up when anyone searches for a car round there
I call them M & M cars...a shiny colorful coating on the outside with a soft brown inside. My first car was one of those. Expensive lesson for a kid in 1973, but my next car was carefully checked out underneath, and I still have it 50 years later.
Yeah I think most of us have made poor purchases but you live and learn. Cool that you've had a car for 50 years !
Thank you Kiwi, for exposing these unsafe patch job cars!
It’s not that hard to educate yourself on the type of car your looking for . With the help of this channel and other channels and other enthusiasts forums very easy to figure out how to see for your self and get inspection . I’m a fan of Kaiser Car’s and with the help of club members they have been more then happy to tell me what to look for and problem areas . First best step join a club many members have cars for sale and you also get a support system for that vehicle from senior members .
Absolutely agree with you, this car was misrepresented! Unsafe to drive, they should refund the buyer and fix the car right!
That's a shame, but typical of old muscle cars here in the northeast U.S.. Buyer beware for sure.
There was a classic car dealership where my dad lives, actually two of them and both within the last 18 months have went out of business, I wouldn't doubt that they were selling the same polished turds.
Thank You ,If I Ever Am Looking At A Car Down Your Way ,You Got My Inspection Business ,Nice Job !!!
Have to ask , why would someone purchase a vehicle & then take it to be inspected ? Seems a backward way of making a purchase . Have given thought to a classic convertible, but after horror stories as this , am starting to think a new Miata or BMW may be a better option .
There are good ones out there but they take a bit of finding. When you do find one and it seems a bit high..... buy it anyway. The pain of overpaying a little will fade to nothing in a year where as this purchase will burn for a long long time!!!
The highest rated reviews are usually related to or a friend of the owner...😉
All good reviews I read were from people that sold their junkers to AP.
I have a 1963 Falcon that my father bought for me almost 50 years ago. It is an Oklahoma car originally and had a lot of floorboard rust. This is a common problem with Fords of that era.
If I've learned anything from you and Uncle Tony it's that if your planning on buying a classic car, pay an inspector, if you can't do it yourself. once you sign, it's yours.
Awesome, now spread the word. 😎