Let's hope they do at some point. Samyang had a go and released a grand total of *drum roll* 1 lens.... And they don't have anything else in their roadmap to suggest more L-Mount lenses this year, so if Viltrox join the party, I sincerely hope they don't have one drink and leave like Samyang did, and instead actually decide to boogie for a bit
Loved the thumbnail for this vid. It's the same reaction I recieved from girls I tried chatting up in my teens. Good times... good times. Oh, and the video was great too 😜
leica 24-70 f2.8 is just rehoused sigma 24-70 f2.8, even the zoom rotation direction is kept the same, which is the opposite direct than other leica lenses, they are not even hiding the fact that they are charging a premium only on branding. the leica 24-90 f2.8-4 though is a much more unique and compelling option
yeah for me the S5II is a great apsc camera : 4k50, less rolling shutter, great image quality... I didn't buy the sigma lenses but I think if someone had those with the S5II for run n gun is prety clever
I think that is a valid use case. I have adpated a Canon EF-S 10-18 IS STM which is unfortunately a rather slow lens as it is only f/4.5-5.6, and unfortunately, there are no built-in lens profile corrections (which results in un-corrected distortion and vignetting when shooting video). The only thing(s) stopping me from getting the Sigma is the price (over $600 after sales tax here in California), and the lack of LENS stabilization. By contrast, the Canon EF-S 10-18 IS STM has LENS stabilization and can be had for under $150 (I have a couple of other Canon EF lenses so easy for me to justify the cost of the Sigma MC-21 adapter).
@@marin_real_estate_photography I did the same thing as you with the Canon EF-S 10-18 IS. Way cheaper but can get heavy with the Sigma adapter on the S5iiX. I am thinking of getting an S9 for gimbal work though.
I saw a video testing the 16-35 alongside the 14-28 and the image quality of the 14-28 is equal to and sometimes better than the more expensive variant. Well, and I consider the extra 2mm on the super wide to be better than the extra 6mm on the other extreme.
I have the Sigma 14-24 and i agree. It's very heavy, bulky and i don't use it very often. I bought it for real estate stuff. And for that it's also quite expensive, but worth it's money quality-wise.
In regard to Sigma L Mount APS-C lenses: Leica made some L-Mount APS-C cameras like the TL, TL2 or CL. For owners of these cameras these lenses are quite nice.
Yeah, and that's why I put the note in the video :) It's a shame they're all discontinued now. Personally I think brands like Sigma should be more focussed on the products that are still in production though, and therefore full frame only :) Finding a TL/CL from Leica used is not only quite expensive for the tech you get, but also rare depending on where you live
Not triggered, just commenting for the algorithm. I have the LUMIX 14-28mm and love it. Super light and works great with so many scenarios that you have sufficient light for!
@@JoshCameron I got for free during a promo sale last year with my s5ii and didn't think I'd have much use for it, turns out it's great for vlog/travel type stuff. Would be great if it had a constant f4 but hey, that's what the more expensive lenses are for. Would love to hear your thoughts on it if you ever come across one!
Great video and nice lightening. Are you using a spotlight for the background? Thinking about getting one myself but can't find any information on the different lenses (19°, 36° etc.) and which to use in tight spaces. Which one are you using?
I've been having this dilemma whether I should get Sigma APSC lenses on my S5. I do agree that if you're using a full frame camera you should use the entirety of the sensor as much as you can. But I do think the 10-18mm f2.8 should be the only exception simply because that's the only ultrawide option when you go intend to capture 4K60P with crop limitation. There is no way everyone would want to fork up so much to get super ultrawide 10mm to only have it cropped to 15mm.
I totally get that, and if 4K 60 is something you use all the time then the APS-C crop will be there anyway. I rarely use 4K 60 nowadays, so for me I'm always trying to use Open Gate or as much of the sensor as I can get :)
You are right about the APO Summicron SL lenses, I had the 35mm and I loved it, but my 35mm GM was almost as sharp and with better bokeh. Now I have the 28-45mm from Sigma I will not even think about buying it again, the 28-45mm is so good, contrast and colors don't look like Sigma previous lenses. I even sold my 24mm GM because of this lens.
It's really crazy to be honest. I have so much respect for Leica as a brand, but I just feel like they're coasting off the 'red dot' instead of actually innovating nowadays. You said it, I know there's GM lenses that rival the APO Summicrons in terms of image quality, and for a fraction of the price! I really enjoyed testing the 28-45 from sigma, my only complaint was the size and the limiting focal range. 28 to 45 really isn't that vast, but then again at F1.8 throughout then negates any prime below 50mm :)
I "hope" that Panasonic release a high resolusion version of the S9(like A7CR) that would make coupling it with the Sigma's APS-Cs make sense. Imagine 61 mp sensor from SL3 in the size of the S9 couple with small and fast lenses even at super 35 mode you still have 27 mp.
Basically the first lens i purchased 😅😅 The Sigma 14-24 2.8 I need 2.8 or more and sometimes is not enough There are no alternatives ! Many times i considered to buy a Sony camera only for using their 12-24 Panasonic will never release this kind of lens
We are lacking a decent fast wide angle zoom to be honest. The 16-28 scratches the itch for the most part, but why stop at 28mm? I would've LOVED it if it went to 35mm.... I guess they see that as a crossover point for the 28-70 F2.8 though
I’m just glad Leica has alliances with Panasonic and Sigma as well as adaptors for other lens makers to ease the entrance into their L-mount system which, while expensive, is worth it on the used market if you value build quality and luxurious images. And of course your wallet can stand the hit !
The L-Mount doesn't have to be an expensive system though, you can get some incredible items for not much money at all. The S5II/S5IIX are very affordable for the amount of features/codecs you get, and the 1.8 primes can be had for sub £500 each used now, so there's definitely ways to save! Granted, the L-Mount started off all high end and that's ultimately what people will aspire to (once we get some good updates to the flagships)... I do think the L-Mount is one of the more affordable systems to get into after looking at Canon RF and Nikon Z prices
Viltrox is failing on this L mount sector,have viltrox 27mm f1.2 and 13mm f1.4 sony E mount if anyone has sigma i serie L mount 45 f2.8 ans 24f3.5 i would trade u one of them for both of the viltrox,provided u are within UK
The FP would be the better camera for video of course because of the lower resolution sensor. I don't think they're all that usable for video though unless they're on a gimbal with a follow focus. The AF is awful and the rolling shutter is horrendous!
Damn I do enjoy your videos. Its just straight up talk, Everything you don't recommend would be simple logic , why spend 4k on one lens ? lol or so much on camera that does the same thing as a camera that's more then half its price. Today camera users always want the new camera gear to then do a YT video about it. Personally I wait for price drops or look for second hand deals.
Buying second hand is one of the best things you can do in my opinion, especially when it comes to L-Mount gear! There's a lot of amazing used deals to be had on both lenses and bodies (at least here in England). Appreciate you watching mate! Yeah 4K on a prime lens is just a bit too rich for my blood😂
It's good to stay true to my own pocket, and ultimately there are things I just wouldn't buy for myself! Of course, everyone's different, but this is my channel and therefore my opinions 😂 Thanks for watching mate, always nice to hear from you :)
Personally I wouldn't touch the Lumix S9 with a barge pole. Who would pay £1500 for a camera with no hotshoe???? And don't get me started on the video record limit, no evf, no headphone jack, no.mechanical shutter, no second card slot etc etc . And I've been a panny fan boy since the GH4 and I've had or still have the FZ2000, GH5, S1 S1h, and S5iix
Another excellent video! Sometimes it's just nice to own something special. On my retirement I purchased a 30 year old Aston Martin DB7; totally impracticable, and a money pit. Fortunately neither of those complaints can be levelled against my well used Leica SL. However I equally enjoy using both the car & camera! Not because James Bond drove one & the other has a Red Dot! The Leica is good and I only wish I could afford to upgrade to the new SL3, & APO lenses (well I could always sell the Aston), but as you say, 'what's the point'? My back up camera & the one I use the most, is a Lumix S1, together with a set of Lumix f/1.8 primes. Its picture quality is excellent, as is its build quality. The image stabilisation & flippy screen help holding things together, especially when taking low down shots & coping with ageing knee joints!
I don’t have a DB7, but I do have 18 Leica products, not to mention another dozen UA-cam drool cameras. If you want to make some nice images, go for Voigtlander or maybe an Otus. The SL is a powerhouse and still is, although I switched to an SL2-S about 3 years ago. Would I buy an SL3? I’d go for a used S or wait for the price of the 3 to come down. Hopefully the Aston will skyrocket.
Yes... I also have a long history of Leica ownership, and just love the feeling of using & handling the cameras. My personal favourite, is my first Leica IIIf + 50mm Summitar lens, which I still own. I know it's sacrilege in Leica circles, but I never really got on with my Leica M2 + 35mm Summicron lens, I much preferred the original SL2, & later R derivatives, particularly the R6. The R lenses are still relatively good value second hand, and with a suitable adapter work well with the latest Leica mirror less cameras. I'm also very familiar with classic German glass you've identified, having used/owned many Voigtlander & Zeiss examples. I still own my late father's 1950's Zeiss (bull's eye) Contarex & Ultra/Planar lenses! I seem to have collected quite a lot of photographic equipment over the years and as long as I keep it all well dusted (& dehumidified) my wife says she won't make me down size it ...yet!
Despite my negative comments about the SL2-S, I'd still love to own one, and an Aston Martin DB7 actually! The issue is that I get to play with so many cameras all the time, and so hoarding expensive Leica's without having any real use case for them would feel silly to me, so that's ultimately why I sold the SL2-S. The SL3 was a beautiful camera to use, really quick, nice in the hand, lovely images etc.... But I must say that Leica is losing their soul a bit. The M series cameras and everything they've done in the past to build this 'legacy' they now have is why they're so good, and I feel like the SL series is becoming a generic side quest just so they have something to offer alongside the competition. That's just my take, I know it's probably not a popular way to look at it, but I've handled older Leica's and they've given me way more joy than the newer ones :)
@JoshCameron Hi I agree with your comments regarding the generic nature of the more recent Leica cameras. As a petrol head I feel the same about the forthcoming "electric" revolution, as I do about the loss of "soul" of many of the excellent cameras produced in the post film, digital/mirrorless age. However, having said that I'd still prefer the convenience and images produced by my walk-about Leica Q, even if the actual user enjoyment might be less(?), than my old Leica IIIf I've owned since the 1960's. If I were restricted to just one camera, the Leica Q would be it!
Great not interested in anything you mentioned…..maybe the 26 f8 just because it looks fun. I’ll pick it up if I can get it for dirt cheap on the used market.
What other lenses do you have? The 50mm will be the more versatile option, but if you've already got the 50mm range covered in a decent zoom then I'd opt for an 85mm :)
Viltrox should make l mount lenses
That would be the dream
Completely agree
Let's hope they do at some point. Samyang had a go and released a grand total of *drum roll* 1 lens....
And they don't have anything else in their roadmap to suggest more L-Mount lenses this year, so if Viltrox join the party, I sincerely hope they don't have one drink and leave like Samyang did, and instead actually decide to boogie for a bit
Loved the thumbnail for this vid. It's the same reaction I recieved from girls I tried chatting up in my teens. Good times... good times. Oh, and the video was great too 😜
funky Tom at it at again!
More crosses than ticks?😂 If it's any consolation, I'd have loved it if you chatted me up...
leica 24-70 f2.8 is just rehoused sigma 24-70 f2.8, even the zoom rotation direction is kept the same, which is the opposite direct than other leica lenses, they are not even hiding the fact that they are charging a premium only on branding.
the leica 24-90 f2.8-4 though is a much more unique and compelling option
A use case for APS-C lenses would be for 60fps (crops in to APS-C) and you want the lightest setup possible for a gimbal.
yeah for me the S5II is a great apsc camera : 4k50, less rolling shutter, great image quality...
I didn't buy the sigma lenses but I think if someone had those with the S5II for run n gun is prety clever
I think that is a valid use case. I have adpated a Canon EF-S 10-18 IS STM which is unfortunately a rather slow lens as it is only f/4.5-5.6, and unfortunately, there are no built-in lens profile corrections (which results in un-corrected distortion and vignetting when shooting video). The only thing(s) stopping me from getting the Sigma is the price (over $600 after sales tax here in California), and the lack of LENS stabilization. By contrast, the Canon EF-S 10-18 IS STM has LENS stabilization and can be had for under $150 (I have a couple of other Canon EF lenses so easy for me to justify the cost of the Sigma MC-21 adapter).
@@marin_real_estate_photography I did the same thing as you with the Canon EF-S 10-18 IS. Way cheaper but can get heavy with the Sigma adapter on the S5iiX. I am thinking of getting an S9 for gimbal work though.
If only Lumix would make a super compact APS-C L mount camera. Best of both worlds.
I saw a video testing the 16-35 alongside the 14-28 and the image quality of the 14-28 is equal to and sometimes better than the more expensive variant.
Well, and I consider the extra 2mm on the super wide to be better than the extra 6mm on the other extreme.
I guess the thing you miss out on is the extra reach and the non-variable aperture! Just depends on your application and preferences I guess :)
I have the Sigma 14-24 and i agree. It's very heavy, bulky and
i don't use it very often. I bought it for real estate stuff.
And for that it's also quite expensive, but worth it's money
quality-wise.
The quality is great! As it normally is with Sigma products!
In regard to Sigma L Mount APS-C lenses: Leica made some L-Mount APS-C cameras like the TL, TL2 or CL. For owners of these cameras these lenses are quite nice.
Yeah, and that's why I put the note in the video :) It's a shame they're all discontinued now. Personally I think brands like Sigma should be more focussed on the products that are still in production though, and therefore full frame only :) Finding a TL/CL from Leica used is not only quite expensive for the tech you get, but also rare depending on where you live
Not triggered, just commenting for the algorithm.
I have the LUMIX 14-28mm and love it. Super light and works great with so many scenarios that you have sufficient light for!
Ah awesome! You know it's the only Lumix lens I haven't tested yet...
@@JoshCameron I got for free during a promo sale last year with my s5ii and didn't think I'd have much use for it, turns out it's great for vlog/travel type stuff. Would be great if it had a constant f4 but hey, that's what the more expensive lenses are for. Would love to hear your thoughts on it if you ever come across one!
Just tell us what new camera is coming out. We know you have it already!!! Seriously though, if rolling shutter isn't fixed, I may have to go to Sony.
I use the Sigma 14-24 daily in my real estate media business and its great! I don't mind it's weight, because its on a tripod anyway. 🤷♂
If I were using a tripod I probably wouldn't mind either :)
great video, love hearing what isn't worth getting!
Thanks man, appreciate you watching!
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Meike 85mm 1.4.
Great video and nice lightening. Are you using a spotlight for the background?
Thinking about getting one myself but can't find any information on the different lenses (19°, 36° etc.) and which to use in tight spaces.
Which one are you using?
I've been having this dilemma whether I should get Sigma APSC lenses on my S5. I do agree that if you're using a full frame camera you should use the entirety of the sensor as much as you can. But I do think the 10-18mm f2.8 should be the only exception simply because that's the only ultrawide option when you go intend to capture 4K60P with crop limitation. There is no way everyone would want to fork up so much to get super ultrawide 10mm to only have it cropped to 15mm.
I totally get that, and if 4K 60 is something you use all the time then the APS-C crop will be there anyway. I rarely use 4K 60 nowadays, so for me I'm always trying to use Open Gate or as much of the sensor as I can get :)
Couldn't agree more with all the points made!
Thank you! Appreciate you watching :)
Thanks for this type of content
You're welcome! It's honestly really fun to make :)
You are right about the APO Summicron SL lenses, I had the 35mm and I loved it, but my 35mm GM was almost as sharp and with better bokeh. Now I have the 28-45mm from Sigma I will not even think about buying it again, the 28-45mm is so good, contrast and colors don't look like Sigma previous lenses. I even sold my 24mm GM because of this lens.
It's really crazy to be honest. I have so much respect for Leica as a brand, but I just feel like they're coasting off the 'red dot' instead of actually innovating nowadays.
You said it, I know there's GM lenses that rival the APO Summicrons in terms of image quality, and for a fraction of the price!
I really enjoyed testing the 28-45 from sigma, my only complaint was the size and the limiting focal range. 28 to 45 really isn't that vast, but then again at F1.8 throughout then negates any prime below 50mm :)
I "hope" that Panasonic release a high resolusion version of the S9(like A7CR) that would make coupling it with the Sigma's APS-Cs make sense. Imagine 61 mp sensor from SL3 in the size of the S9 couple with small and fast lenses even at super 35 mode you still have 27 mp.
That would be lovely! Although I'd still want to use FF lenses so I have the option for a wider FOV and more resolution :)
Basically the first lens i purchased 😅😅
The Sigma 14-24 2.8
I need 2.8 or more and sometimes is not enough
There are no alternatives !
Many times i considered to buy a Sony camera only for using their 12-24
Panasonic will never release this kind of lens
We are lacking a decent fast wide angle zoom to be honest. The 16-28 scratches the itch for the most part, but why stop at 28mm? I would've LOVED it if it went to 35mm.... I guess they see that as a crossover point for the 28-70 F2.8 though
I’m just glad Leica has alliances with Panasonic and Sigma as well as adaptors for other lens makers to ease the entrance into their L-mount system which, while expensive, is worth it on the used market if you value build quality and luxurious images. And of course your wallet can stand the hit !
The L-Mount doesn't have to be an expensive system though, you can get some incredible items for not much money at all. The S5II/S5IIX are very affordable for the amount of features/codecs you get, and the 1.8 primes can be had for sub £500 each used now, so there's definitely ways to save!
Granted, the L-Mount started off all high end and that's ultimately what people will aspire to (once we get some good updates to the flagships)... I do think the L-Mount is one of the more affordable systems to get into after looking at Canon RF and Nikon Z prices
What lens are you using at around 6:00? I'm not aware of a lens that covers 30-312mm!
I think he used 28-200mm or 70-200mm and using hybrid zoom in S9
That's correct! I was using the hybrid video zoom function on the S9 with the 28-200 :) Awesome feature, super useful
Viltrox is failing on this L mount sector,have viltrox 27mm f1.2 and 13mm f1.4 sony E mount if anyone has sigma i serie L mount 45 f2.8 ans 24f3.5 i would trade u one of them for both of the viltrox,provided u are within UK
there are a lot of devices wich you can manage cdng media sigma fp its pure cream in resolve :)
The FP would be the better camera for video of course because of the lower resolution sensor. I don't think they're all that usable for video though unless they're on a gimbal with a follow focus. The AF is awful and the rolling shutter is horrendous!
Damn I do enjoy your videos. Its just straight up talk, Everything you don't recommend would be simple logic , why spend 4k on one lens ? lol or so much on camera that does the same thing as a camera that's more then half its price. Today camera users always want the new camera gear to then do a YT video about it. Personally I wait for price drops or look for second hand deals.
Buying second hand is one of the best things you can do in my opinion, especially when it comes to L-Mount gear! There's a lot of amazing used deals to be had on both lenses and bodies (at least here in England).
Appreciate you watching mate! Yeah 4K on a prime lens is just a bit too rich for my blood😂
I also wouldn't recommend Lumix f/4 and f/2.8 zooms.
What zooms in particular?
Some bold statements were made in this video 😂
It's good to stay true to my own pocket, and ultimately there are things I just wouldn't buy for myself! Of course, everyone's different, but this is my channel and therefore my opinions 😂 Thanks for watching mate, always nice to hear from you :)
Oops. The chapters for the video are wrong. LUMIX S1H2?
Just noticed, I've changed it :)
Personally I wouldn't touch the Lumix S9 with a barge pole.
Who would pay £1500 for a camera with no hotshoe????
And don't get me started on the video record limit, no evf, no headphone jack, no.mechanical shutter, no second card slot etc etc .
And I've been a panny fan boy since the GH4 and I've had or still have the FZ2000, GH5, S1 S1h, and S5iix
Please please please tell me L mount gear I WOULD recommend
Will do! Might be a long video 😂
Another excellent video!
Sometimes it's just nice to own something special. On my retirement I purchased a 30 year old Aston Martin DB7; totally impracticable, and a money pit. Fortunately neither of those complaints can be levelled against my well used Leica SL. However I equally enjoy using both the car & camera! Not because James Bond drove one & the other has a Red Dot!
The Leica is good and I only wish I could afford to upgrade to the new SL3, & APO lenses (well I could always sell the Aston), but as you say, 'what's the point'?
My back up camera & the one I use the most, is a Lumix S1, together with a set of Lumix f/1.8 primes. Its picture quality is excellent, as is its build quality. The image stabilisation & flippy screen help holding things together, especially when taking low down shots & coping with ageing knee joints!
I don’t have a DB7, but I do have 18 Leica products, not to mention another dozen UA-cam drool cameras. If you want to make some nice images, go for Voigtlander or maybe an Otus. The SL is a powerhouse and still is, although I switched to an SL2-S about 3 years ago. Would I buy an SL3? I’d go for a used S or wait for the price of the 3 to come down. Hopefully the Aston will skyrocket.
Yes... I also have a long history of Leica ownership, and just love the feeling of using & handling the cameras. My personal favourite, is my first Leica IIIf + 50mm Summitar lens, which I still own. I know it's sacrilege in Leica circles, but I never really got on with my Leica M2 + 35mm Summicron lens, I much preferred the original SL2, & later R derivatives, particularly the R6. The R lenses are still relatively good value second hand, and with a suitable adapter work well with the latest Leica mirror less cameras.
I'm also very familiar with classic German glass you've identified, having used/owned many Voigtlander & Zeiss examples. I still own my late father's 1950's Zeiss (bull's eye) Contarex & Ultra/Planar lenses!
I seem to have collected quite a lot of photographic equipment over the years and as long as I keep it all well dusted (& dehumidified) my wife says she won't make me down size it ...yet!
Despite my negative comments about the SL2-S, I'd still love to own one, and an Aston Martin DB7 actually! The issue is that I get to play with so many cameras all the time, and so hoarding expensive Leica's without having any real use case for them would feel silly to me, so that's ultimately why I sold the SL2-S. The SL3 was a beautiful camera to use, really quick, nice in the hand, lovely images etc.... But I must say that Leica is losing their soul a bit. The M series cameras and everything they've done in the past to build this 'legacy' they now have is why they're so good, and I feel like the SL series is becoming a generic side quest just so they have something to offer alongside the competition.
That's just my take, I know it's probably not a popular way to look at it, but I've handled older Leica's and they've given me way more joy than the newer ones :)
@JoshCameron Hi I agree with your comments regarding the generic nature of the more recent Leica cameras. As a petrol head I feel the same about the forthcoming "electric" revolution, as I do about the loss of "soul" of many of the excellent cameras produced in the post film, digital/mirrorless age.
However, having said that I'd still prefer the convenience and images produced by my walk-about Leica Q, even if the actual user enjoyment might be less(?), than my old Leica IIIf I've owned since the 1960's.
If I were restricted to just one camera, the Leica Q would be it!
Great not interested in anything you mentioned…..maybe the 26 f8 just because it looks fun. I’ll pick it up if I can get it for dirt cheap on the used market.
The 26mm F8 is a very fun lens to use, but definitely look for kit deals!
S1RII Thoughts??????
It's coming.
I bought today Panasonic 50mm and 85mm. Goona keep only now and return one back. Any suggestions?
depends what else you shoot with.
Usually the 50 is easier to use in video
What other lenses do you have? The 50mm will be the more versatile option, but if you've already got the 50mm range covered in a decent zoom then I'd opt for an 85mm :)
Bro is a Sigma 😂
Overt levels of cringe. Still time to delete.
Megamind meme 1:05
Waiting for the triggered Leica bros like 👀😂
None yet so far!