I've been stomping folks since GvG came out, if anything it's got easier. Or maybe I just got lucky with the drafts, idk. Though I have to deal with electricity RNG, sometimes my power switch trips itself. :(
The best i've gone so far was 9 wins on druid but only because the deck had perfect mech rush synergy. Other than that I haven't gotten too much luck either :/
GVG seems so fun. I've played a few rounds of arena myself aswell, but the RNG value of these cards is so awesome, and I bet I'm going to have so much fun with it.
GrandDracolich Actually, Force tank max is pretty amazing most of the time. I've never seen it go badly yet (probably does sometimes). If it's a hero that can't deal 1 damage, the divine shield is almost guaranteed to eat a spell or minion, and then you have a 7/7.
GrandDracolich i literally lost every game when opponents ccast a Force Tank. Yes, sometimes it can be dealt with by a single card but most of the time it gets his value.
I got Flame Leviathan from an Unstable Portal. Unstable Portal, Piloted Shredder, and Piloted Sky Golem are all insta-picks for me, they're just way too much fun.
Hahahah, I had almost the exact same first pick once. On the right too, but up against Gruul and Leeroy. It proved surprisingly good. What I noticed is that drawing at the start of your turn, when your opponent's board is usually strongest is on average an advantage. Also, no late game because you passed up Force Tank Max, which is really, really good late game.
Strangely enough, I think that the GvG cards have made Arena more minion focussed, at least for now. Because there are so many options people are not focussing as much on hard removal spells, leading to much longer games, often going to fatigue. I'm actually really enjoying it at the minute. All Trump needs to do is draft for synergy and heal in order to survive into the late late game. Heal is key at the minute imo.
I also forgot to mention that the freeze mechanic is completely and utterly essential at the minute. It's all about maintaining tempo with survivability. Frost element ftw as ever
BandWagon1987 I would have to agree. Today I got a 12 win arena run with mage and I had in total 6 spells (1x duplicate 2x frostbolt 1x fireball 1x polymorph 1x flamestrike) And the games generally were decided by tempo plays through minions. Also feel like thats been the case in my less successfull runs.
BandWagon1987 Antique Healbot so op late game and in general useful for warlocks it just lets them keep on life taping and drawing two cards a turn without dying (as long as you aren't going for a rush deck as then it would be way to slow obviously)
i dont think heal is at all key. if you watch any of his arena runs, heal would never allow him to win a game since gvg…. ever. he just got outvalued, and healing provides no card advantage and no value.
I wonder if this new expansion is going to diminish the skill factor because of all the Rng that's in it. You can make the perfect play but if that number generator says screw you then what can you do? Does that make one person better than another? I'm sure it's all variance and as often as the Rng gods go against you they will go for you. Was just something that popped in my head.
Flame leviathan is so fun. Can just imagine the hail mary arcane intellect play clearing a zoo board and leaving enough mana to go straight into the leviathan drop.
Jens, how do you think about adding a "Part 1" to the Title even if its the only part. Because it kinda spoilers sometimes. You could change it after 1 or 2 days maybe. I would really like that :). PS: Gute Arbeit :) Mach weiter so
I drafted flame leviathan my first arena run in gvg and went 12 wins it was always an upside to drawing it, it never hurt me that much, and it saved my one zoo game
Does this 'creative accounting' concept work with all cards that have a passive stat boost ability (like his dire wolf) or just Stormwind Champion? I had no idea that's how it worked, but I guess it makes sense. I bet a lot of people don't know about this. I hope it works for all cards.
You guys complaining about him not going 12 wins anymore,before only interesting/good arena runs were posted so usually they were 2 parters. But since GvG came out he is posting every game he ran that day so of course u are going to see a lot of not the best arena runs because no matter how good u are at the game, arena still has a lot of RNG in what cards u are offered in draft and what u and ur opponent draw during the game.
Volthoom I didn't talk about that part ^^ I meant that he usually doesn't have that many below average runs. His average is 7 btw. that alone should be enough information.
I've just got my first 12 wins using Mage after the GvG cards had invaded. I really see the arena meta has changed somehow. Didn't expect to go 12 wins with that deck. I have like 9 2-drops and 8 3-drops, just 1 Flamestrike. Somehow the Snowchugger was doing serious work. Not sure if Mage is still so strong in Arena or I am lucky though.
***** Yeah, I also think that the overall is weaker because the number of skillstrikes and those water eles, fireballs etc. would be lesser. Doesn't matter, can't wait for the constructed meta lol.
Since GvG, I've gotten to 12 with Priest, Paladin, and Hunter. The games are so much more luck reliant, overall. Shredders, Combobulators, Madder Bomber, Bomblobber, Spare Parts, etc. I've also lost several times already to an opponent just dropping an auto win legendary, like Gahz'rilla and Dr. Boom. Arena's much harder in my opinion. For every run I get to 12, there's 4 runs that do terrible due to a bad draft or bad rng.
lkjkhfggd Cool story and Congrats for several 12 wins after the GvG! The shredders are just so annoying. I didn't face too much of a RNG factor which lead me losing my game. Spare parts are crucial though, the stealth one often catches me off guard.
Hey Jens what editing software do you use? I wanna edit my own video but with movie maker it's a real pain in the ass to go about and remove silenct moments from the video
Ah ok was curious because the last few runs have been short. Personally GvG arena has been amazing for me and I've been getting way more wins than before. Was hoping to see trump stomping people with the new stuff
I dont understand Flame Leviathan. What is his purpose? In what kind of decks is he good in? Btw Trump, since Goblins and Gnomes have invaded the Arena I also started getting less and less wins. Maybe we are still not used to it or something :-/
I assume that Flame Leviathan would work in something like Freeze Mage (as it provides some sort of board clear), though not very well. Aside from that it doesn't seem useful. I'd say that the difficulty in Arena is simply unfamiliarity with the cards or their possible value. Once Trump (and you) gets a better grasp of the cards and how they work, his 12-win runs will return :D
Maybe a deck with no early game minions, only removal cards, and you just have mid-game dudes with late game removal. Flame Leviathon nukes the opponent's board when it's drawn, for free. You'll have little penalty because you won't have many vulnerable minions. Seems alright to me, I'll certainly try it if I get that legendary from a pack.
Trump any chance of you doing a 'first thoughts on the expansion' video now you've had some time in the arena? I've found my average win rate has plummeted the last few days too, so it'd be really interesting to get a pro's take on what factor's are actually driving the apparent difficulty increase in arena. Is it that GvG cards lack late game, and I'm also failing to increase my evaluation of any actual late game card? Is it GvG adds so much randomness you'll just see more variance in runs? (I had one game where a lucky madder bomber broke my 0-2 unlucky losing streak which let me steamroll to 8 wins) Is it that with the new cards have had such a large effect on the value of all cards that I'm actually drafting substantially worse without realizing it? Or is it (as one commentor here theorized) that high level constructed players have been diving into the arena to check out the new cards and thus raising the average skill level? Anyway would love to hear your thoughts.
I actual got my first 12/0 2 days ago with a really bad mage deck... I have no idea how that happend - no flamestrike, no blizzard, no frostbolt and only 1 fireball, sheep and flamecannon. Also got 12/2 today with a warlock deck that I would consider bad. Maybe bad decks are the new meta :)
I spotted another problem with Trump's draft, it wasn't really his fault but he didn't draft enough taunts. He'll struggle to get through the above average rushy decks in the mid-arena stage. If you can get through them a strong control-type deck can go all the way to 10-11-12.
Arena is finally FUN at the moment. I was getting SOOOO bored of Trump's arena videos before GvG with 80% of all games being vs. Mage. Mage/Paladin was ALL that existed in pre-GvG Arena. It was boring as all hell.
I've noticed something weird about Trump's arena record: he has a really hard time with mages. For example, in his last nine arena runs he's 9/26 against mages (34.6% win rate) and he has lost his final game to a mage in 7 of those 9 runs (the other two were vs one shaman and one druid).
takewithfood It's because Trump is very good at anticipating the opponent's next move, and makes plays that reduce the value they can get out of it. Mage's value cards tend to not be things you can play around (especially Flamestrike, and Fireblast lets you do some sick finishers), so he ends up losing to it. It takes a pro Paladin/Hunter/etc. to beat Trump, but for Mages, a good draft is enough to beat him.
29:40 Play arcane intellect... do it. *He plays it* yes... Yes... YES!!! *Doesn't draw flame leviathan* ... damnit. *Talks about flame leviathan on an even worse turn* Do it. DO IT, YESSSSSSSSS!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!
Here is a question, in this case trump has a bunch of good minions. However, instead of taking duplicate, a card that can be played at nearly any time and gives him more of his good cards, he takes raptor an early game card which he could've duplicated off of one of the cards he already picked. What was the point and/or benefit of doing this?
tempo, duplicate is a card that rely on your opponent to act, in card games and arena especially been the guy who acts instead of being the guy who is forced to re-act is the key to win most matches. a raptor will trade for a minion or a spell whereas the duplicate can sit there doing nothing for several turns doing nothing.
too attached to board control? there are no situations where having board control is a bad thing. there are plenty of situations where secrets just do nothing for you at all.
Blastmage is op. I played against one turn 3 harvest golem turn 4 blastmage turn 5 blastmage again and that's a free avenging wrath! It's lucky but it can work with other mechs and a blastmage deck is certainly viable
I dunno dude, I think you were just unlucky. I've faced a shit ton of Mages already, and not even once has a Goblin's battlecry gone off. It seems to actually be tough to draft enough mechs.
Mike how is it wrong to say it was pretty much "free"? all he had to do was play his 3 drop, then his 4 drop, as anyone would in a game. lmao the way I see it, playing harvest golem (or any other mech on turn three), then playing a 5/4, then a 5/4 again is a pretty good avenging wrath. :)
In my experience the nerfed Gadgetzan is better than the other picks that you had if you have spare parts cards like mech yeti. Gadgetzan actually got better with gvg even though it was nerfed.
Could GvG have added more early-mid game commons? That would explain why Trump has trouble getting enough late game... the randomness just has a higher ratio of early-mid game cards to pick from, rather than late.
1warlock 11 3 1warlock 6 3 1warlock 1 3 1druid 0 3 the rng of arena increased it seems at least for me (got once wrecked because of mageportal into mallygoss) btw the flame levi has voice recognition when you talk about it it comes ^^ (12:55)
I do wish that when Jens(?) puts a reference to something in the video that happens, he'd put a timestamp with it or something. I love trump, but when he's routinely uploading hour plus videos, I want to see the highlights
Trump it wasn't the Flame Leviathan IMO that screwed you. It was the Mind Control Tech. Every time you drew it (for the most part) you got excited and took risks you wouldn't usually have. Not saying I'm a fan of Flame Leviathan or anything but *shrugs*
I can think of ONE deck in which flame leviathan is viable. That is totalbiscuits deck of legends. For pure entertainment value. And That is it. What a shit card. Base stats, it gives away that is is drawn, no control over it. If id did damage only to enemy characters then it would still be balanced, and then maybe fine.
You can SOMEWHAT use it in very lategame control decks, where you mainly play big guys that don't get affected by the random AOE. However, you are completely right that the lack of control over it makes it significantly less useful. Freeze mage could use it I guess, to counter aggro, but it's hard to fit in.
I'll admit it's definitely the worst new class legendary, but it was clearly meant to be played in an anti-rush deck. It's good against Zoo and an unlucky Hunter, since you can clear the board for "free".
vlxedits A 7 mana minion without any effect is garbage, or War golem tier in other words. Even in arena its bad, because as we've seen, you have no control over when you nuke the board.
not a very popular opinion, but i think arena has gotten even easier since GvG came out, there is alot of strong picks that people don't seem to pick at all ^^
People are wondering why Trump's not doing well in arena ATM... Simply put. GVG cards absolutely suck in arena. They have terrible mechanics for it. In arena you want to be making the most value-based plays possible to maintain board control, not have a Legendary take out your own board when you draw it. Ogres are big minions, but are wasted when you can't actually hit anything that you NEED to hit. Insane cards like Goblin Blastmage can't be utilized to their max efficiency because you can't arrange having mechs out / keeping mechs out before you draw it a lot of the time. List goes on for other cards. GVG was a terrible, terrible expansion for the arena. It's not Trump or anyone else's fault for getting the awful cards (for arena) in their decks.
Hurr Durr Go ahead, but you'd be wrong. Having random mechanics in arena isn't a good thing. Having random in mechanics when put into a well-constructed deck that take those mechanics into consideration is far more manageable. You just saw how massively inefficient Trump's cards were when left unable to synergize properly.
cdwwg That's because Flame Leviathan is pretty awful because of its unpredictable effect that can easily backfire. I've played quite a bit of arena lately, and I think the GvG cards make the games way more exciting because of the new mechanics and MANAGEABLE RNG. Also, if you think opinions like this can be wrong, then your head may be a bit too far up your ass.
Shredder is better, if nothing else, because it's more fun. Getting any 2 drop in the game has such a wide spread of possibilities from great plays to complete disasters. I remember one game where both my opponent and I both had a Shredder out. I silenced his Shredder and traded, and the 2 drop I got was... Doomsayer lol. My opponent passed his turn and rip my board. XD In another game, my opponent had a crap lot of minions on the board. On my turn I played Shredder. On his turn he played his 5 drop, then killed the Shredder, and out came... Doomsayer. He had no mana to kill it, so rip his board. That was basically the only way I could have cleared his board haha. So the variance is tremendous. In regards to consistency, Yeti (or Mechanical Yeti) is much better, but Shredder is better versus AoE and if the opponent has Dark Iron Dwarf in his hand.
shuvo rahman No need to attack me like that... Why do you think Yeti is so much better? Do you really think you're good enough of a player to judge that?
its called common sense yeti beats shredder and the 2 drops and i am good enough player to judge i've been playing this game sense beta but it was one month
its so weird. i'm actually doing better than normal at arena with gvg cards. i recently went 9 wins on warrior with 3 warsong commanders and a cultmaster :D
Because the card packs earned before the full release are 'Expert Packs' and not GvG packs. They don't convert to GvG packs if you hold on to them and wait for the release.
The packs you earn in arena now are just regular packs. Packs you win in arena after GvG comes out are GvG cards. There is no benefit to saving card packs right now. Also, look at Trump's gold. He's not going to have a problem getting all the GvG cards
Every single time Trump remembered that he had Flame Leviathan, he drew it immediately after.
happened more than once too
This is because Trump can usually call what will happen. He was just really unfortunate for calling it upon himself.
Even when he can't get good draws, make a good draft, win 8-12 wins, he still "finds" a way to be entertaining xD
Keep in mind that this is edited. If he mentions leviathan and it doesn't get drawn, it's cut from what we see.
Using the term "speaking of the devil" has never been more appropiate than in this episode.
DAMN YOU LEVIATHAN!
Something I find immensely hilarious is that EVERY TIME Trump talks about the Flame Leviathen it shows up right on the next draw without fail XD
Flame Leviathan's effect is Hearthstone's answer to the shaking water glass from Jurassic Park.
Stopped by to tell you that your comment is awesome.
since GvG came out, he hasn't gotten a part 2 arena... I also have a similar problem, not able to adapt well in the new arena meta
you cant adapt to gvg , rng got increased by 500%
last run. 12/2
sick priest value with 2shields, hogger, the dude that -2 attack for a turn, shadowboxer, 2 cultist...even though i didn't have aoe
I went 7-2 before resigning... my best arena since I started 6 months ago.
I've been stomping folks since GvG came out, if anything it's got easier. Or maybe I just got lucky with the drafts, idk.
Though I have to deal with electricity RNG, sometimes my power switch trips itself. :(
The best i've gone so far was 9 wins on druid but only because the deck had perfect mech rush synergy. Other than that I haven't gotten too much luck either :/
I watched this run live. It is amazing that Flame Leviathan only seems to pop up when Trump mentions it. Spooky.
I love the mechanic of flame levi ~ really want more of these top decks that influence the board without being played, makes it so much fun.
Man, dat leviathan. The fact that Trump called it right before it hit both times made it super-hilarious
I love that as soon as trump goes like "Oh yea! I have a flame leviathan somewhere in the deck!" It appears
First rule of Flame Leviathan: You do not talk about Flame Leviathan..... or you will draw it! :D
GVG seems so fun. I've played a few rounds of arena myself aswell, but the RNG value of these cards is so awesome, and I bet I'm going to have so much fun with it.
"No late gmae, how do i get these arenas?" "WoW Force Tank MAX... Ahh Duplicate"
Force Tank Max isn't a great card. Is pretty easily dealt with in a way that wouldn't trigger Duplicate, and Duplicate can be played around.
He means Good lategame
GrandDracolich Actually, Force tank max is pretty amazing most of the time. I've never seen it go badly yet (probably does sometimes). If it's a hero that can't deal 1 damage, the divine shield is almost guaranteed to eat a spell or minion, and then you have a 7/7.
Arena is slow so there is space for a HUGE tank and look at kripps chanel has a video about it anyway...
GrandDracolich i literally lost every game when opponents ccast a Force Tank. Yes, sometimes it can be dealt with by a single card but most of the time it gets his value.
I think it was three times that Trump spoke aloud Flame Leviathan's name, and then immediately drew him. Amazing.
A great pleasure to see realistic games uploaded as well. Players might get a bad impression that only them have shty luck.
I got Flame Leviathan from an Unstable Portal. Unstable Portal, Piloted Shredder, and Piloted Sky Golem are all insta-picks for me, they're just way too much fun.
Also Recombobulator, it's great card
Joaco Canalla Yeah, but I've only gotten that from the Shredder so far.
When you got Flame Leviathan from the portal, could you confirm whether or not its effect triggered? Thanks
Joaco Canalla I've recombobulated something into a Fel Cannon, which then instantly killed my Recombobulator. Instant pick for hilarity.
Rogue Wisdom Its effect did not trigger. And I was very sad.
Hahahah, I had almost the exact same first pick once. On the right too, but up against Gruul and Leeroy. It proved surprisingly good. What I noticed is that drawing at the start of your turn, when your opponent's board is usually strongest is on average an advantage.
Also, no late game because you passed up Force Tank Max, which is really, really good late game.
That's completely unbelievable, i can't believe he 'predicted' flame leviathan that many times lol
Hilarious fun to watch! lol
While we were in middle school I beat Trump in a tickle fight and ever since he hasn't returned any of my calls.
I love how every time Trump mentions Flame Leviathan, it appears xD
Strangely enough, I think that the GvG cards have made Arena more minion focussed, at least for now. Because there are so many options people are not focussing as much on hard removal spells, leading to much longer games, often going to fatigue. I'm actually really enjoying it at the minute. All Trump needs to do is draft for synergy and heal in order to survive into the late late game. Heal is key at the minute imo.
I also forgot to mention that the freeze mechanic is completely and utterly essential at the minute. It's all about maintaining tempo with survivability. Frost element ftw as ever
BandWagon1987 I would have to agree. Today I got a 12 win arena run with mage and I had in total 6 spells (1x duplicate 2x frostbolt 1x fireball 1x polymorph 1x flamestrike) And the games generally were decided by tempo plays through minions. Also feel like thats been the case in my less successfull runs.
Havng the exact oppesite on my side, the games end mostly from turn 8-12 and I don't like it. Even though I am playing more agressively aswell lately.
BandWagon1987
Antique Healbot so op late game and in general useful for warlocks it just lets them keep on life taping and drawing two cards a turn without dying
(as long as you aren't going for a rush deck as then it would be way to slow obviously)
i dont think heal is at all key. if you watch any of his arena runs, heal would never allow him to win a game since gvg…. ever. he just got outvalued, and healing provides no card advantage and no value.
I love Trump's reaction every time he gets the Flame Leviathan =D
How does Flame Leviathan always get drawn when Trump calls it? Hilarious
Jason Weird I thought RNGesus did that :0
Flame Leviathan is awesome, so many hilarious moments will be spawned with this card.
I'm loving these GvG videos, it's fun to watch Trump lose every now and then. I'm sure he will get back into it soon.
That shady play was so good that even trump didn't expect the ending. :3 Kappa
Anyone remember those goblin blimps from Warcraft 3? They would say "Whassappenin'?" sometimes. I liked those blimps.
Those guys were the best! I didn't notice the Goblin Sapper said that until I saw this comment. Makes me want to play some WC3.
I wonder if this new expansion is going to diminish the skill factor because of all the Rng that's in it. You can make the perfect play but if that number generator says screw you then what can you do? Does that make one person better than another? I'm sure it's all variance and as often as the Rng gods go against you they will go for you. Was just something that popped in my head.
Trump isnt good at arena.
Gastón Robayna citation?
Lol I was hoping for an actual discussion... Not a random statement of Trump sucks
Gastón Robayna im a trump fan but thoses arena GvG he layed was not he's best, that is for sure.
There are plenty of really good cards that doesn´t have RNG. Just use them?
Flame leviathan is so fun. Can just imagine the hail mary arcane intellect play clearing a zoo board and leaving enough mana to go straight into the leviathan drop.
Someone please make a Lorewalker Cho + Spare Part milling deck! Thank you!
You can't get spare parts in constructed yet.
rkPod But you can think about doing it
rkPod it's literally coming out tomorrow.
en!gmaatic no, its tuesday
David Freitas No, its monday.
Jens, how do you think about adding a "Part 1" to the Title even if its the only part. Because it kinda spoilers sometimes. You could change it after 1 or 2 days maybe. I would really like that :). PS: Gute Arbeit :) Mach weiter so
My god,its so fun seeing trump trying to adapt! XD
Flame leviathan: “you draw this card every time you remember about it, dealing 2 damage to all characters“
I drafted flame leviathan my first arena run in gvg and went 12 wins it was always an upside to drawing it, it never hurt me that much, and it saved my one zoo game
Does this 'creative accounting' concept work with all cards that have a passive stat boost ability (like his dire wolf) or just Stormwind Champion? I had no idea that's how it worked, but I guess it makes sense. I bet a lot of people don't know about this. I hope it works for all cards.
Oh wow, both times Trump was warned about drawing Flame Leviathan, he ends up drawing it that very turn.
Love that fresh-video smell.
You guys complaining about him not going 12 wins anymore,before only interesting/good arena runs were posted so usually they were 2 parters. But since GvG came out he is posting every game he ran that day so of course u are going to see a lot of not the best arena runs because no matter how good u are at the game, arena still has a lot of RNG in what cards u are offered in draft and what u and ur opponent draw during the game.
You shouldn't make comments like that based of assumptions. He never had such a bad streak in arena. Or at least not for a really long time.
How is it based off assumptions? Jens said himself he was going to post every game that he played the first day of GvG.
Mushkingdomz
You just answered to Jens, you know...:D
Volthoom I didn't talk about that part ^^ I meant that he usually doesn't have that many below average runs. His average is 7 btw. that alone should be enough information.
my bad, well anyways i didnt mean anything bad about it, i know his average is better than this vids, but i was just saying it happens to us all :)
I've just got my first 12 wins using Mage after the GvG cards had invaded.
I really see the arena meta has changed somehow.
Didn't expect to go 12 wins with that deck.
I have like 9 2-drops and 8 3-drops, just 1 Flamestrike.
Somehow the Snowchugger was doing serious work.
Not sure if Mage is still so strong in Arena or I am lucky though.
***** Yeah, I also think that the overall is weaker because the number of skillstrikes and those water eles, fireballs etc. would be lesser. Doesn't matter, can't wait for the constructed meta lol.
I went 12-0 with my first mage GvG arena. Didn't have a single flamestrike, fireball or water ele. Goblin blastmage and Mechano was doing work.
Since GvG, I've gotten to 12 with Priest, Paladin, and Hunter. The games are so much more luck reliant, overall. Shredders, Combobulators, Madder Bomber, Bomblobber, Spare Parts, etc. I've also lost several times already to an opponent just dropping an auto win legendary, like Gahz'rilla and Dr. Boom. Arena's much harder in my opinion. For every run I get to 12, there's 4 runs that do terrible due to a bad draft or bad rng.
eAzydaman Good to hear many 12 wins friends haha!
The mech synergy is real in arena.
The mechwarper has insane value.
lkjkhfggd Cool story and Congrats for several 12 wins after the GvG!
The shredders are just so annoying.
I didn't face too much of a RNG factor which lead me losing my game.
Spare parts are crucial though, the stealth one often catches me off guard.
I love how every time he notices that he doesn't the card appears almost as if it was called from the deck.
Hey Jens what editing software do you use? I wanna edit my own video but with movie maker it's a real pain in the ass to go about and remove silenct moments from the video
Every time Trump talks about the Flame Leviathan, the following turn, he draws the Flame Leviathan...
keep it up these gvg areana runs are cool
*Sees description* *Sees first pick* *fetches popcorn*
in his second losing game getting the corehound and hitting the turtle was probably the only case in which he lost
Why aren't you going 12 wins anymore trump T_T
On average, only 1 out of 3 games 12 wins. He just did not show bad game before
Ah ok was curious because the last few runs have been short. Personally GvG arena has been amazing for me and I've been getting way more wins than before. Was hoping to see trump stomping people with the new stuff
He's been playing Hearthstone for a long time so he has to take some time to get used to the new mechanics.
Jack Xin How was that established?
Scampie And getting screwed over by RNG
Everytime he mentions not wanting Flame Leviathan, it comes up XD
"My Magic WILL clear your board"
I dont understand Flame Leviathan. What is his purpose? In what kind of decks is he good in? Btw Trump, since Goblins and Gnomes have invaded the Arena I also started getting less and less wins. Maybe we are still not used to it or something :-/
Anti-Zoo is a pretty good purpose for leviathan, they run quite a few 2 health minions, that's about the limit though.
I assume that Flame Leviathan would work in something like Freeze Mage (as it provides some sort of board clear), though not very well. Aside from that it doesn't seem useful.
I'd say that the difficulty in Arena is simply unfamiliarity with the cards or their possible value. Once Trump (and you) gets a better grasp of the cards and how they work, his 12-win runs will return :D
Maybe a deck with no early game minions, only removal cards, and you just have mid-game dudes with late game removal. Flame Leviathon nukes the opponent's board when it's drawn, for free. You'll have little penalty because you won't have many vulnerable minions. Seems alright to me, I'll certainly try it if I get that legendary from a pack.
it seems flame leviathon is the devil as it only apears when you mention it :P
in arena, i used webspinner and got the new druid legendary (if you don't know, it's a 7 mana 9/7 "put this back in your deck when it dies")
Trump any chance of you doing a 'first thoughts on the expansion' video now you've had some time in the arena? I've found my average win rate has plummeted the last few days too, so it'd be really interesting to get a pro's take on what factor's are actually driving the apparent difficulty increase in arena.
Is it that GvG cards lack late game, and I'm also failing to increase my evaluation of any actual late game card?
Is it GvG adds so much randomness you'll just see more variance in runs? (I had one game where a lucky madder bomber broke my 0-2 unlucky losing streak which let me steamroll to 8 wins)
Is it that with the new cards have had such a large effect on the value of all cards that I'm actually drafting substantially worse without realizing it?
Or is it (as one commentor here theorized) that high level constructed players have been diving into the arena to check out the new cards and thus raising the average skill level?
Anyway would love to hear your thoughts.
I actual got my first 12/0 2 days ago with a really bad mage deck... I have no idea how that happend - no flamestrike, no blizzard, no frostbolt and only 1 fireball, sheep and flamecannon. Also got 12/2 today with a warlock deck that I would consider bad. Maybe bad decks are the new meta :)
Oh god, I felt that deadly poison through the screen :(
That description...
luv u jens
Every single time he mentioned Flame Leviathan it was the next thing he drew... Do dooo do dooo do do do dooo
What is the best class for GvG after the release, iam from europe but i may create a new account on NA, give me some of your knowledge
I spotted another problem with Trump's draft, it wasn't really his fault but he didn't draft enough taunts. He'll struggle to get through the above average rushy decks in the mid-arena stage. If you can get through them a strong control-type deck can go all the way to 10-11-12.
ok does the Flame Lev.. new Mage Legendary Card... trigger twice when you got duplicate on it? :D
*When it drawn into your hand* basicly when it take from the deck *INTO* your hand....
No, as you're not drawing it in that case.
Arena is finally FUN at the moment. I was getting SOOOO bored of Trump's arena videos before GvG with 80% of all games being vs. Mage. Mage/Paladin was ALL that existed in pre-GvG Arena. It was boring as all hell.
I've noticed something weird about Trump's arena record: he has a really hard time with mages. For example, in his last nine arena runs he's 9/26 against mages (34.6% win rate) and he has lost his final game to a mage in 7 of those 9 runs (the other two were vs one shaman and one druid).
Thats because in arena, mage is the best class..
Yes, that's the consensus. But the degree to which he struggles with Mage in particular is surprising.
takewithfood
It's because Trump is very good at anticipating the opponent's next move, and makes plays that reduce the value they can get out of it. Mage's value cards tend to not be things you can play around (especially Flamestrike, and Fireblast lets you do some sick finishers), so he ends up losing to it. It takes a pro Paladin/Hunter/etc. to beat Trump, but for Mages, a good draft is enough to beat him.
29:40 Play arcane intellect... do it. *He plays it* yes... Yes... YES!!! *Doesn't draw flame leviathan* ... damnit. *Talks about flame leviathan on an even worse turn* Do it. DO IT, YESSSSSSSSS!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!
Noticed you skipped out your deck list for this one, how come? I miss it...
Or rather you left them out for your latest GvG arenas that have come out
Here is a question, in this case trump has a bunch of good minions. However, instead of taking duplicate, a card that can be played at nearly any time and gives him more of his good cards, he takes raptor an early game card which he could've duplicated off of one of the cards he already picked. What was the point and/or benefit of doing this?
At that point he only had 4 cards he considered as early game. I'm guessing he wanted more early game.
tempo, duplicate is a card that rely on your opponent to act, in card games and arena especially been the guy who acts instead of being the guy who is forced to re-act is the key to win most matches.
a raptor will trade for a minion or a spell whereas the duplicate can sit there doing nothing for several turns doing nothing.
Trump is too attached to board control. He don't see the value in secrets.
too attached to board control? there are no situations where having board control is a bad thing.
there are plenty of situations where secrets just do nothing for you at all.
sael1337 I didn't say it is bad, I said why Trump didn't pick up the secret. Get your facts straight
I remember watching this live and the chat freaking out when he drew flame leviathan and killing his guys
Blastmage is op. I played against one turn 3 harvest golem turn 4 blastmage turn 5 blastmage again and that's a free avenging wrath! It's lucky but it can work with other mechs and a blastmage deck is certainly viable
"Free"
Mike Almost as if he paid 8 mana for it
***** And three cards. The value!!
I dunno dude, I think you were just unlucky. I've faced a shit ton of Mages already, and not even once has a Goblin's battlecry gone off. It seems to actually be tough to draft enough mechs.
Mike how is it wrong to say it was pretty much "free"? all he had to do was play his 3 drop, then his 4 drop, as anyone would in a game. lmao the way I see it, playing harvest golem (or any other mech on turn three), then playing a 5/4, then a 5/4 again is a pretty good avenging wrath. :)
Last few arenas I've done, I've had no late game too :(
In my experience the nerfed Gadgetzan is better than the other picks that you had if you have spare parts cards like mech yeti. Gadgetzan actually got better with gvg even though it was nerfed.
Lol had 4 and one golden and i got me some dust
I too drafted the Flame Leviathan on the first pick :)
It lost me two games because of bad timing. So, not brilliant.
every time i thought he would draw flame leviathan, he did
Could GvG have added more early-mid game commons? That would explain why Trump has trouble getting enough late game... the randomness just has a higher ratio of early-mid game cards to pick from, rather than late.
Against rush decks it might be okay to kill a bunch of small minions. :D
1warlock 11 3
1warlock 6 3
1warlock 1 3
1druid 0 3
the rng of arena increased it seems at least for me (got once wrecked because of mageportal into mallygoss)
btw the flame levi has voice recognition when you talk about it it comes ^^ (12:55)
I do wish that when Jens(?) puts a reference to something in the video that happens, he'd put a timestamp with it or something.
I love trump, but when he's routinely uploading hour plus videos, I want to see the highlights
Why wasn't arcane golem retconned to be a mech? Anyone know?
Because it's a magic creature, not mechanical.
at 31:19 i think it would have been better to play stormwind first and keep the mechanical yeti alive, could even play bomber on top of it
No more deck list??
30:34 thats going in the next Trump Reacts vid
Trump is a shell of his former self since GvG. It's like watching Jordan play for the Wizards =(
every time he mentions flame leviathan the card shows up XD
you could make a video that was just trump reacts to flame leviathan
Trump it wasn't the Flame Leviathan IMO that screwed you. It was the Mind Control Tech. Every time you drew it (for the most part) you got excited and took risks you wouldn't usually have. Not saying I'm a fan of Flame Leviathan or anything but *shrugs*
Hearthstone patch notes
-nerfed soulfire
-nerfed flare
-nerfed gadgetzan auctioneer
-nerfed trump
I can think of ONE deck in which flame leviathan is viable. That is totalbiscuits deck of legends. For pure entertainment value. And That is it. What a shit card. Base stats, it gives away that is is drawn, no control over it. If id did damage only to enemy characters then it would still be balanced, and then maybe fine.
a 7 mana 7/7 is definitely decent, without its effect
You can SOMEWHAT use it in very lategame control decks, where you mainly play big guys that don't get affected by the random AOE. However, you are completely right that the lack of control over it makes it significantly less useful.
Freeze mage could use it I guess, to counter aggro, but it's hard to fit in.
I'll admit it's definitely the worst new class legendary, but it was clearly meant to be played in an anti-rush deck. It's good against Zoo and an unlucky Hunter, since you can clear the board for "free".
try it in a "Hand-mage" with molten giants
vlxedits A 7 mana minion without any effect is garbage, or War golem tier in other words. Even in arena its bad, because as we've seen, you have no control over when you nuke the board.
not a very popular opinion, but i think arena has gotten even easier since GvG came out, there is alot of strong picks that people don't seem to pick at all ^^
what if leviathan is in your opening hand? :(
You didn't draw it so nothing happens.
I guess because of all the new cards which have more random effects its harder to get a high ammount of wins in the Arena
People are wondering why Trump's not doing well in arena ATM...
Simply put. GVG cards absolutely suck in arena. They have terrible mechanics for it. In arena you want to be making the most value-based plays possible to maintain board control, not have a Legendary take out your own board when you draw it. Ogres are big minions, but are wasted when you can't actually hit anything that you NEED to hit. Insane cards like Goblin Blastmage can't be utilized to their max efficiency because you can't arrange having mechs out / keeping mechs out before you draw it a lot of the time.
List goes on for other cards. GVG was a terrible, terrible expansion for the arena. It's not Trump or anyone else's fault for getting the awful cards (for arena) in their decks.
I can safely say I strongly disagree with everything you said.
Hurr Durr
Go ahead, but you'd be wrong. Having random mechanics in arena isn't a good thing. Having random in mechanics when put into a well-constructed deck that take those mechanics into consideration is far more manageable.
You just saw how massively inefficient Trump's cards were when left unable to synergize properly.
New cards being released is clearly not the reason why people are doing badly...
I can safely say I agree with Hurr Durr
cdwwg That's because Flame Leviathan is pretty awful because of its unpredictable effect that can easily backfire. I've played quite a bit of arena lately, and I think the GvG cards make the games way more exciting because of the new mechanics and MANAGEABLE RNG.
Also, if you think opinions like this can be wrong, then your head may be a bit too far up your ass.
What's better - Yeti or Shredder?
Yeti man are you that stupid
Trump thinks that shredder might be stronger
Shredder is better, if nothing else, because it's more fun. Getting any 2 drop in the game has such a wide spread of possibilities from great plays to complete disasters. I remember one game where both my opponent and I both had a Shredder out. I silenced his Shredder and traded, and the 2 drop I got was... Doomsayer lol. My opponent passed his turn and rip my board. XD
In another game, my opponent had a crap lot of minions on the board. On my turn I played Shredder. On his turn he played his 5 drop, then killed the Shredder, and out came... Doomsayer. He had no mana to kill it, so rip his board. That was basically the only way I could have cleared his board haha.
So the variance is tremendous. In regards to consistency, Yeti (or Mechanical Yeti) is much better, but Shredder is better versus AoE and if the opponent has Dark Iron Dwarf in his hand.
shuvo rahman
No need to attack me like that... Why do you think Yeti is so much better? Do you really think you're good enough of a player to judge that?
its called common sense yeti beats shredder and the 2 drops and i am good enough player to judge i've been playing this game sense beta but it was one month
Someone else just wanted to see Trump get wrecked by his own Flame-Leviathan? :D
its so weird. i'm actually doing better than normal at arena with gvg cards. i recently went 9 wins on warrior with 3 warsong commanders and a cultmaster :D
Why is he not saveing the packs so he can open them when GvG is out?so that he can get the new cards
It doesnt work that way...
thsarias WHAT
i have 6 packs in storage.
FOR FUCKS SAKE
The reward is the classic packs. When GvG comes out you can get GvG packs as a reward.
GvG will have their own packs
Because the card packs earned before the full release are 'Expert Packs' and not GvG packs. They don't convert to GvG packs if you hold on to them and wait for the release.
I think Day9 said (and which I'll likely paraphrase it badly): Arena has gone from needing to plan well, to needing to react best.
Tried this in arena. Calling out flame leviathan's name really DID call it out. Ez 2 dmg
Flame Leviathan is really cool.
Strangely enough i made a 11 win and a 9 win arena with this new expansion, although i agree that arena is now kinda confusing...
trump should make a video of his magical Flame Leviathan jinxes.
Wow dat flame leviathan though!
Wouldn't it be better to save packs until GvG gnomes comes out for constructive? Better way to get GvG cards faster.
The packs you earn in arena now are just regular packs. Packs you win in arena after GvG comes out are GvG cards. There is no benefit to saving card packs right now. Also, look at Trump's gold. He's not going to have a problem getting all the GvG cards
This Guy You sure? Got source?
that flame leviathan doe LOL
leviathan really needs to have that ability and also do it again when u play it or somthing.