"Asleep On Duty?" Why Didn't The Government Notice Post Office Prosecutions? | Good Morning Britain
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2024
- In the wake of the Post Office scandal dominating headlines following the ITV drama 'Mr Bates VS The Post Office', we question with Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride about what the government's current plans are to make amends and compensate victims, and why the government weren't aware of the scandal and false post office prosecutions sooner?
Broadcast on 09/01/24
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The Government was aware and they didn’t care.Just like with Hilsborough,innocent people have to fight decades for justice.
20 years from now . . . they'll be saying even worse about the thousands of lives ruined by the COVID lockdown scandal. But not now . . .
Governments! Labour, Tories and the LD coalition. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.
Still no Justice for the Hillsborough victims and their families.
Aided and abetted by certain media outlets. The millionaire owners aren't on the side of the public. They're on the side of the people with knighthoods and gongs.
According to The Guardian, there was an instance where a user attempted to confirm receipt of cash. Each time the user pressed 'enter' on the frozen screen, the record would update. I'm inclined to think this might not be a software bug, but rather a hardware or network error. The user should have checked the transaction.
One would wonder if anyone found it odd that the same transaction could be listed within a few minutes. Did anyone bother to verify the data?
The news reports that the cash was less than expected, but were there more stamps than indicated in the data? If so, someone should have noticed that they were not sold.
Has Fujitsu admitted to the fault, or is it a result of the post office's management error? The news of this issue has spread worldwide, tarnishing Fujitsu's reputation. If the fault lies more with the post office than with Fujitsu, there's a potential risk of legal action against the post office by Fujitsu.
It's not uncommon for users to operate systems in ways engineers could not predict, and in this case, the post office had to inform Fujitsu after three staff members were accused. While it might be Fujitsu's fault, the involvement of 700 people in the post office and court errors raises questions about the true source of the problem.
Funny how this appalling situation has been allowed to go on for so many years and it took a TV program before any real action gets taken. Now we get all these politicians from all sides coming out saying how much they care. I have never seen such hypocrisy.
Funny that it's an election year that the Tory's decided to pull their thumb out their arses isn't it?
they are all corrupt lining their own pockets , look at Brexit !
Absolutely typical bureaucratic nightmare. “No one” is responsible. Like stinging jellyfish they are - mindless, spineless, but oh so dangerous.
That's why they get the big money!
Lovely analogy.
How did the post office think that they had 700 dishonest staff, did it not occur to them there was some thing else not quite right ?
Arrogance & laziness..... "computer say no"... "oh it must be right then"
And where did all this money go? Was that never asked?
The investigators were paid bonuses based on the mount of money the claimed back from 'dishonest' staff. so it was in their interest not to investigate properly
Right! If you’re the leaders of an organisation and it looked like a whole bunch of long standing employees with good records had all started committing crimes out of the blue, it would be obvious that it was an system/IT issue. What they’ve done is inexcusable. People need to go to prison for it.
Absolutely spot on Buck. It does show how those responsible for the mess did nothing at all and cared even less. I wonder why it took a TV documentary to get things investigated. 😮
They still haven't removed the power to prosecute from the post office.....
Absollutely....the complete lack of oversight by our criminal justice system is beyond comprehension.
the post offices very own stasi....putin would be proud of them.
This is because the Post Office is a SIGINT/COMINT public facing department of UK intelligence agencies and has been for 300 years.
Yes that should be up to the police so they can establish who the real criminals are.
They have had years to sort this out and have not shown any urgency until now. Various Ministers must have had communication from postmaster over the years. It is a disgrace
Remember it's election year
Pat McFadden, Labour, and Ed Davey, Liberal, both did but sided with the Post Office. There must be others.
Why was it so easy to prosecute working class people without any consideration of which over 900 were given criminal records , but now when it come to the the bosses we have to be careful!! Why did we not have to be careful with employees ? If they had been treated with the respect they deserved we would not be in this mess!!! I will have a wager that a lot of the bosses responsible will get away with any punishment at all :)
And who was Head of DPP during a large part of this? OH, that would be Keir Starmer.
The Dpp had nothing to do with any of these cases. The Post Office has the ability to bring private prosecutions. The Dpp wasn't involved in any of it. The PO can (and did) effectively mark it's own homework. None of these involved the police or or the Dpp. @@user-bs9nq3zl2l
Probably...it sticks in my craw knowing the PO bosses falsely accused, prosecuted and extorted monies from the sub post Masters when they knew the discrepancies were false....absolute hypocrisy and criminality. They should do time in prison...they are the criminals.
The post office and government knew from the beginning that postmasters had not defrauded the post office.
honest people overnight had suddenly gone rogue and no one in the post office could put 2 and 2 together
@@paulrichards6894 That was not in the plan. This is corruption on a massive scale..just seeing how Alan Bates was blocked shows that..and they even tried to block the first judicial enquiries by saying the judge was biased and tried to get him to recuse himself. Crooked to the core this Government. Hope they get kicked into touch in the election.
If only the Government had been as quick to sort out this debacle as it was when Farage had his bank account closed
Well said 👏
When the riots happened in London it took "days" to prosecute people. They had 24 hour courts, issuing verdicts immediately. There were no inquiries needed.
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What Farage experienced was what tens of thousands of others were experiencing , the banks were acting in a manner that was most unacceptable , ie judging people on their opinions and closing accounts leaving thousands of people in limbo , the government were forced to act to protect the population as a whole from the banks who should be focusing on business not being Woke . It is essential that the pressure on the government is constant otherwise they will undoubtedly try to make the whole thing go away , it would appear that justice is only applied if it has no other option.
When government and friends see an opportunity to increase their personal wealth , like creating a PPE company , they're fast , they're efficient , and they get the job done in no time at all . When "unimportant " people need their help ..... help that they're paid handsomely to provide ..... nothing happens . Delay , waffle , enquiry , pass the buck , scapegoating , empty promises ..... on and on they go ...... useless .
The biggest question that state run media does not ask is. How are the post office able to appeal prosecutions. Why would they want to appeal when clearly the convictions are false. Fujitsu needs to pay this. This is a corporate crime not a responsibility of the state.
It is a crime of BOTH Fujitsu AND the state. Fujitsu for the faulty program/software, and the state for LYING to hundreds of individuals telling each that they "were the ONLY one".
@@julierogers1155 They even LIED to that woman (and the judicial system) saying she would be convicted of theft if she didn’t plead guilty to other offences even though they had assessed that they had absolutely no evidence of theft on her part whatsoever! There has been a gross miscarriage of justice carried out by the state.
@@julierogers1155 Fujitsu and the post office both lied to the court
Corporate crime, yes. But it had some help from the State.
@@michaeltoohey1385 It's a bit odd to refer to a post office that was being prepared for privatization as "the state". Post Office was operating, as Thatcherism dictated, as a private company or "brand", as they called it. Outsourcing to Fujitsu was part of that programme. And we don't have "state-run media" in this country: there is a national broadcaster, the BBC, but its journalists - John Sweeney, in particular - were among those asking the difficult questions.
Considering how people who recive a few pounds extra welfare are treated surely those responsible should be sent bankrupt and then to jail for 50 years
Responsibity and culpability are no longer guiding principles of either Uk politics or corporate life . Time for change .
Government individual - verbal diarrhea
How come the Main Stream Media didn't notice it for the last 10yrs either and why only now has it gained traction!
Fellow blame shifters. I still wonder what dog they have in this fight though
i remember listening to a in-depth BBC radio 4 documentary about this over a decade ago. Seen odd reports here and there by channel 4 and ITV since. It's been known about and reported on for years. But the media as a whole have just never cared enough to make it a big deal until ITV brought it to enough people's attention all at once with that drama. Now the tory client media can't avoid reporting on it, no matter how much they might want to
That question could be asked of a lot of more recent issues
Yes, I remember seeing and reading reports about it for years. No one in government cared as long as the public were not aware en masse but the cat is well and truly out of the bag now ....but what about all the other victims of scandals who are dying before being properly compensated? e.g. Windrush and contaminated blood etc etc. 'Little people' have got no chance to right wrongs in this country while the highly paid incompetents carry on being incompetent. @@WhichDoctor1
@@betcarbery46 Exactly. The hypocrisy is maddening . . .
He’s being very slippery about Fujitsus other contracts !
Fujitsu are tory donor's.🤔
and very nice back handers
In all the interviews I have watched on this, not one person has apologised for the harm they have caused.
Did I not hear ed davey apologise......no that’s right, he didn’t 😂
-Royal mail- Post office owners should face jail time.
Yes that means people in the government too!
It's false imprisonment.
Edited to correct owners.
yes but, we know that no heads will roll or justice served....the top protect the top, which is why the mets investigation will come to nothing.
And robbery. The victims had their own money taken them as well as their jobs, homes and reputation
It's not royal mail it's the post office.
Mel Stride has the ability to describe the nightmare of apocalypse in wonderfully acceptable terms, Tory-speak for 'You're all stuffed and there's nothing any of you plebs can do about it.'
You omitted the bit about austerity - more of it - plenty more!
Good to know that an enquiry is being set up to enquire about the enquiry investigating the enquiry about why there are so many enquiries
Why didn’t the Opposition in Parliament shine a spotlight on this issue. Isn’t that a big part of their role?
Indeed the opposition could have brought this to house's attention in any number of prime minister question time's
It's so sweet you think there is any opposition. Simply adorable.
Oh yes can you really see starmer creating a fus of this when he was part of it
Another 25 years later. And the government is still passing the buck.
Different government though, Tony Blair was PM when this scandal happened!
I mean in 2049 and it's still going on,
I can see Mel Stride's lips moving but I am not convinced he was talking out of that end.
Imagine as a union rep trying to ask for a decent pay rise from these people.
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VOTE THEM OUT NOW !!! 👍🏴✊🙏🇺🇦🇵🇸🙏
Why? This happened on mainly Tony BLair's andGordon Brown's watch - 1999-2010, i.e. 11 years. Then it was Clegg-Cameron for 5 years.
Adam Crozier needs investigated for his part. ITV delibertley left him out of their drama because he was an ITV Executive. I also question why Nadhim Zawhia was given a cameo role after swindling the tax man out of millions. It was a great drama but it has only touched the top of the iceberg
I know he was on the select committee who failed to do anything. I think he was the only non actor in the drama so I'll call it a cameo role. He was also convicted of tax evasion ànd kicked out of the Conservative party so in my humble opinion I don't think his credentials merit him being in any drama or investigation. All these politicians are able to be crooks given have a chance. It's time the honours lists are done away with if it is just friends and family that are being nominated. Your friend Paul's has handed back her gong after 1,200,000 embarrassed her but she should have stripped of the award for the lies and corruption she presided over. Now she needs to be removed from the NHS board and the money she amassed by her actions needs to go directly to the Post Office Station masters who lost so much including family members over the past 24 years.
It's not 700,people,its over 900,people and their family's some took their own lives over it,other left the country for good saying no justice in the UK
When they use the word "statutory" to describe something, alarms should start ringing..
The horse has bolted Mr Stride. Keep up.
Funny you mention 🐎
Good at name dropping. Futisu wrote the software and had backdoor access to this system.
I dont care about their desperate announcements. Just call an election already.
Still they tell lies.
Lying is like breathing to them
All these question should have been asked when the post office did an investigation into the matter and before any dismissals/prosecutions. If they did not even ask Fujitsu of possible faults with their system how can they pass the buck at this point. Post Office should still take Fujitsu to court arguing system was not fit for purpose and claim damages based on actions taken due to the faulty system supplied but one thing has nothing to do with the other.
My thoughts are that the Post Office failed miserably to communicate the proper specifications to Fujitisu so the Post Office are the main culprits. But Fujitsu are at the very least complicit if not also completely guilty in this disgusting scandal which robbed people of lives, livelihoods, dignity and respect.
GMB are very slow picking up on this!
Many Unions like political parties have been "captured"
Takes 14 years for a inquiry...a tv series highlights it and all of a sudden theres action...fujitsu have had numerous tory contracts since..it says everything..corruot...vote them out
They don’t care!
They only care about themselves!
Lot of waffle, little action
And lots of taxpayers' money down the drain (in crooks' pockets)
So this minister keeps on repeating the same answer🤦🏻,the inquiry will be the medicine for all the Sickness in the post office and the government departments responsible for this great injustice.
The problem, where is the VIP lane for compensations for victims, and for court appearances, for perpetuators.
blah blah waffle waffle
These snakes will cover each others arses
This clown is the epitomy of why this catastrophe has been allowed to drag on. 138 million to 2,700 victims. Where that number come from. Sounds good but absolute BS.
At no point in history have we so sorely needed a new Guy Fawkes.
Yes, but one who gets a real result
the press coverage is good , make them squirm
Exactly these questions were raised repeatedly within the relevant department. The understanding is that the Cabinet Office and Downing Street blocked any government intervention to prevent the Post Office from pursuing these prosecutions.
Motivation for blocking intervention? The suggestion is that the link between the ruling party and Fujitsu was at the root of all this. So we come back to lobbying and the allocation of publicly funded contracts once again. Nothing ever happens within public administration without a reason.
My sarcastic thoughts on what will happen
The Government will order a Judicial Review .
This will be delayed whilst Lawyers take the Government to court challenging some of the appointees.
No evidence will be taken from the convicted employees.
During this time no convictions are overturned or compensation payed.
At the conclusion of the review , two years down the line , it is discovered that two of "the judges" had financial connections to Fujitsu and Horizon .
The review is abandoned and the Government instigates a Committee Of Inquiry to look into the operation of the Judicial Review .
Meanwhile no convictions are overturned or compensation paid .
Because a lot of evidence has disappeared due to a computer malfunction, the Inquiry is halted .
The Government promises a Ministerial Committee will be formed in due course.
Yes the haemophiliacs still waiting from the 80s contaminated blood, Hillsborough, Grenfell, they won’t hurry.
Let's get some honourable people back in Parliament vote reform.
Reform,honourable? 😂😂😂😂😂
This is not back in the 90's people, families are STILL suffering today!
They were only bothered about filling their own pockets. Were they playing a time scale game to avoid questions being asked ?. To avoid possible prosecutions on them.
jail tony blair and sue the king
" We've set up an inquiry " brings Yes Minister and Sir Humphery to mind, Seems to be a useless interview he was not able comment on anything and carrying on about Compensation the majority of which went to Lawyers; Compensation should be separate to Legal costs.
is it not criminal as they new the program wasnt working yet still took the people to court ???
yes its criminal. They lied to the courts and manufactured fake evidence to make it look like their computer system physically couldn't make the errors it was very obviously making. Lots and lots of perjury and misconduct in public office went on at the highest levels of the Post office and Fujitsu. Possibly government too. But that's just white collar crime. That's not considered important in tory Britain. Not like being homeless or an asylum seeker. Those are the really important crimes that need to be cracked down on
The trouble was that no matter what MP's asked, the stock response from the PO was that system was robust, could not be interfered with as no-one except the sub-Post Master could access their account! That's why - and Civil Servants who advise Government Ministets accepted the lie, despite as Civil Servants (I was one) we knew full well that our official accounts could be accessed by IT without our knowledge or consent. Add in the fact that scammers were conning people and thereby gaining access to bank accounts etc., the Civil Servsnts involved were rather dilatory in their duties to the Government!
They were more interested in Farage and the Couts saga !!!
I would like to know how much individual politicians were benefiting from/enriched by contracts being awarded to Fujitsu for further government contracts.
why should the government not care? they were profitting from the fines, simple
1.6 million of their mates are able to up the rents of any tenants on benefits ?? Just build more social housing and it’ll save money in the long run. 🙄
This is outrageous. There should be a minister and department with many many staff. To clear this problem. Compensation should not be fair it should be biased in favour of those Post Masters affected. It should also have a seperat section to deal with post office procesutions for Managers and Directors. With a progress report to a select committee every 2 weeks.
PO and Fujistu shareholders should be paying the compensation. It was them who defrauded and pocketed the postmasters' money. Of course, we're footing the bill again. What a country.
why dont the po bosses have to pay a large sum for their criminal behaviour case!!
I bet no politician will ever be made to appear at the inquiry.
He came with All the Well Rehearsed answers🤨
Well done, any chance of answering the questions
They acting like they paying from their own pocket. It’s tax payers money
You would think alarm bells would ring, when a lot of post offices lost money at the same time?
Why didnt the press and tv news both government run media and mainstream media not report on it and keep reporting it and asking questions
Why didn't they ask this robot-- "If your answer to everything is that we have an inquiry going on, why didn't you just write that out in a message and we wouldn't spend our time listening to you giving that same answer to every question?"
Because the people in charge were those “and their friends” we always talk about when speaking of Tories.
Get your facts straight. According to reports the main scandal ran from 1999 to 2015 and Labour was in charge for 11 of those years.
But this scandal happened when Tony Blair was PM!
Don't worry, we've set up an inquirey.
The bitter irony as a Canadian is that Horizon was written in Java. A Canadian CS named James Gosling released it in 1995. How did Horizon go completely off the rails like this? SMH
Wakey Wakey . 😢 😢 😢
The one vital question has not been asked where has all the money gone or who has got it that the postmasters were supposed to have stolen.
They were paid to notice... and all should be JAILED for life... or until they can bring back the ones that suicided
Try tendering for any government contract.
You need a department to deal with the paperwork.
Why didn’t Jo Swinson do anything when she was responsible for the Post Office?
Same old clap trap, nobody will be held responsible.
They didn't set up inquiries before throwing the innocent in jail.
How come nobody noticed this all happened when when they put the new system in 😡
Why do you need an enquiry before jailing the post office bosses who falsely prosecuted innocent people?
When speaking on this, it’s horrendous that the phrase “should be jailed” isn’t in each and every paragraph. We don’t want “down to the bottom of this” and ‘answers’. We just want the POL and Fujitsu employees jailed, while Fujitsu shells out compensation plus interest.
It’s not merely a case of answers and compensation. We want hard justice.
Mel Stride and HMRC effectively covered up many implemention aspects of the director loan scandal / loan charge, where 10 people committed suicide, so he's no stranger to ruining lives and defending an indefensible position. Him and his pals in government and hmrc are very detached from reality, hence him not having a real emotional response. I don't know why the director loan scandal and what he and HMRC did doesn't attract more attention, maybe we should ask ITV to dramatise HRMC being complicit with director loans, then u-turning and demanding unethical amounts of money from their victims. Susan was right, the government have slept through so much...
The gross mismanagement of the post office is ongoing. The overpayments now going out to another layer of useless reviewers is not on. Independent inquiry BS. Nothing is independent.
Beg thee down before DistingUishEd judges - aye, the very establishment skum who happily sent these sub postmasters to jail to begin with.
The tip of a VERY BIG iceberg!!!
What needs to happen is the people that knew about this at the time should all be sacked and hauled through the courts
All the facts are there , how many inquiries do you need , each case is in writing , the post office used the power of paper ,this drama was fantastic need follow up please,I have watched it three times the facts are there 25 years worth , pay the wonderful people involved
The tories new handle i cant comment 😂😂😂
The Postal Scandal is symbolic of the Tory Culture that has developed and developed from 2010 of if things go wrong then the first to be blamed are those lower down the pecking order they have to take the blame, they have to take the wrap and they have to pick up the cost. It's a Tory culture that has developed where the more senior the management the more untouchable you become. Point the finger at someone else make sure they take the wrap it's always somebody else's fault in order so that the higher up the pecking order you are the less likely that you will be seen as accountable. Rewarded for failure - that should be the next Tory slogan at their next Tory Party Conference. What outcomes are we seeing in relation to the PPE scandal?
The minister reply is I have set up a enquiry and they are looking in this appalling event, now don’t bother me with questions.
YEP YEP YEP from all political parties 🤯
And How can they still call it ROYAL Mail as it is not owned by Royalty
Public enquiries are there to take a long time and distract the public so that we all forget and move on.
The post Office is insolvent, it needs radical action to rescue it and bring those who caused SPM such pain brought to account
He wouldn't accept that They were Asleep on the JOB ....( Though they WERE ) We need to bring out a New Dance Called The WRIGGLE ! Because Ministers are Already Doing it NOW Trying to WRIGGLE out of any Responsibility For What Happened at the Post Office
Thought Fujitsu donated to tory party.🤔
I would not use the word distinguished along with the word judge after this fiasco.
we have paid out ? the public pais out it should come from the company .
The truth has been so eviscerated that you just have a thin film of truth over everything - like a sweet wrapper which, when you bite into it, taste of pure lies.
Biggest problem is the amount of money Fujitsu were paying as back handers to keep the massively expensive contracts on going.....follow the money is rule number one with anything to do with any menber of parliment and large and very rich corporations
Why does no one think about that? For more than 100 years Post office workers all of a sudden this much fraud happened especially immediately after changing the system to computerised with this company (Fujitsu).