Michelle P it’s not out of character. It’s the feeling of regret. She was so caught up about power and greed that she thought it’s what she always wanted from the start until she finally lost someone who only wanted a proper family, and a mother who was a mother. Her daughter in this case. Idky you act like this doesn’t happen in real life. Ex: A bad person isn’t going to stay bad for long unless they choose to continue to do bad things. They can redeem themselves. A good guy isn’t always going to stay a good guy for long. Like think about it... you can do something so fucked up, but moments later, you’ll realize that it’s wrong and change for the better good. So in conclusion, it’s not out of character, it’s a change in feeling and mindset. Just bc the “bad” character is bad, doesn’t mean they might stay bad forever. The character is developing, and this scene also portrays a moral. Movies/shows also are connected with real life situations too.
Jira Vicente no, it’s what she deserves. Don’t feel pity for their loss, and situation. Remember she lead a married pregnant woman to death, threatened, manipulated and abused her daughter, for her own selfish greed. Now she has to suffer for those she effected, she putted her selfish needs above everything and now it’s time for her to pay for her crimes.
She should have just treated Ari like a daughter and not a tool for power when she had all the opportunity in the world to be a mother. Tsk tsk. Well... regrets always come late.
Your thoughts reminds me of history of the late emperor of China. He used to be emperor at the age of 5 or 6. His vulnerability as a kid was used as tool for power.
Yeah but she couldn’t do that because Ari isn’t supposed to know that she’s her mother, and she only acted to Ari in a harsh way because she was scared to be kicked out of the palace and never see her own daughter again
I think this scene also shows kanghee's only good side, she does regret what she's done and she knows she's no good for her daughter and that maybe she never has been
@@EmmyMNF she could be pretending or really forgotten her (both due to trauma), when she saw her ghost it could imply both situation too, she is now happy and can accept the situation, or she is now healthy and remember everything again.
Princess Ari losing her memory was the best thing that could have happened to her. She forgot the memory of the nanny being her mother and will now be able to live a good life with oh sunny without questioning who her real mother is. Although the nanny was a really bad person she really did love her daughter but the greed and uncertain future lead her to become a monster towards her daughter. In the beginning she knew she would never be able to become a part of princess Ari’s life, which is why she stayed as her daughters nanny and tried to do everything in her power to make princess ari the reigning empress. In the nannies mindset having princess ari as a reigning empress would give her the ability to live by her side as her mother and not nanny had things gone her way. However the greed was too powerful and it ended up destroying the mother daughter relationship. In comparison to the execution leaving her daughter behind and having her daughter not remember her was the ultimate punishment for all the crimes the nanny created. Because everything she did was for her daughter despite her greed getting in the way.In the end there’s a really touching scene where the nanny appears in front of princess ari to check up on her. In this scene I don’t think princess ari recognizes her as her mother but as her nanny. Because in the end the nanny was the one who took care of her when no one in the palace payed attention to her. She was there to protect her from the emperor’s sister’s tantrums and was the one who essentially raised her to be who she is.
I agree thanks for the explanation. I've been fighting with myself to watch this, bu ut knowing how kdrama really tear out your soul. I'm not ready for another one yet.🙈💜😁
Wow that is very deep. Thanks for the explanation, I only saw parts of the clips but not the whole show. That honestly hit me right in the feels. And not trying to be rude but honestly, I think the nanny did get what she deserves, because she's basically being abusive and trying to be manipulative. And I am kind of glad Ari doesn't remember her bc if she did, it would've brought bad memories of the nanny. And she was trying to be a good mother, which I respect, but her greed took the best out of her. And she could've stayed as a mother than waste her time trying to have power, but nooooo, she had to be power hungry, along with the grandmother. I think if the nanny wasn't so power hungry or selfish, she could have respected Ari's decisions, and still love her like a good mother. But again, no one knew what was going to happen or that they would never realize how they behaved until now.
I think she really loved ari but so many things had happened she just wanted to survive, and live a good life and Ari was the only one who could help her get that
not, she is jealouse from she best friend (Empress soo hyun), before she is just a maid. after she know she best friend merrid with emperor, she also want more be maid. until she have ari. she only used ari to become women got power
She really loved Ari, but greed overpowered her. She killed her bestfriend to make sure her own unborn child survive. If she didn't love Ari, she wouldn't care to meet her for the last time and rather to be forgotten.
Ryana Salim the last episode when Ari was visiting the place the mother showed up but inly Ari could see her. She asked if she was happy. Ari said yes. And then she said (good thats all i wanted was for you to be happy)
Now she realizes her daughter is the only thing she really wants. 😢😢 Good moral stories. This ending is so good, she doesn't want Ari to remember her out of love. Plus, the scene where her ghost asking whether Ari is now happy is so heartwarming.
too bad it's too late for seo kang hee she was given a lots of chances by ari to be a better mother for her but she wasted it all because she became too greedy....
Because there isn't such thing as a good or bad, right or wrong in this world. Like the reply two before me, if there is a righteousness there is evilness- if there is evilness there will be righteousness. There must always be a balance. Yin, Yang.
This is one of the best k-dramas I've ever watched. The complexity of each characters had me in awe. And the actors were so immersed in their roles that nothing felt forced. Really well done!
Seo Kanghee is lucky she redeemed herself in the end. After all, she knew she was wrong. And she is still a mother, whose greatest sacrifice is to remove herself completely from her child's memories. She loved Ari as much as she loved herself, she was just so into the notion of becoming powerful so that she and her child will be at the top. This woman did all the wrong things, including using her child, and her apology doesn't need to be verbal. In fact, she doesn't have to apologize. All she has to do is to be a mother, and to decide what is the best for her dear child. And that is what she did.
The last two episodes got me crying ocean especially this scene and when the emperor died. The frustration I had about this drama will probably never fade away, the greed that took over one humanity as a person and as a mother to a child, it was so heartbreaking. I can't stop feeling sorry towards the emperor and Ari.
One thing I like about this drama is that every bad person has their own story (except the empress dowager). Doesn't make them less criminal, but the ending is perfect for each of them.
I’m confused, why did she get executed but not the Empress Dowager? During the trial, the judge said they both would be executed. I think it’s because she got some lawyers to make her live.
Empress Dowager asked for appeal meanwhile Seo Kang Hee in this scene promise the empress that she won't ask for appeal and ask her to take care of Ari instead
Death penalty takes a while to get carried out. It’s not something that happens in a matter of weeks or even months. Also, her lawyers didn’t take her off death row, she’s just waiting for her execution and Kang Hee probably is too, this just happened to be the last scene they showed of her. In the courtyard see where you can see the Empress Dowager with the rest of the inmates you can see she has a red tag in her jumpsuit, that red tag where her number is means that she’s on death row.
@@arabella777 yea maybe after a year Empress Dowager still waiting for her execution. Maybe her appeal was disapproved. But think Seo Kang Hee was executed at the same day Ari visited her or maybe not long after that because the scene where she walked back to her cell seems more like it. And since she didn't appeal at all she's most probably executed earlier. Also when Ari visited the palace with Prince Yoon a year later she saw Seo Kang Hee's spirit. Well I guess she's already passed away at that time
she just then realize than Ari was everything to her not power or the Imperial palace. She killed a pregnant woman just to be her daughter to have a better life..but in the end she was never recognized nor been treated as a mother by her own daughter.. KARMA is really a big deal.. KUDOS to this series I really watched it until the end.
This is probably the worst feeling for a mother. But considering what she has done and how she treated Ari later down the line, I guess she deserves it...
When I give sympathy for a villain that I almost curse in entire movie. This punishment torturing her heart and soul forever. I never thought I will shed her a precious tears😅
2:07 At least she knows. Can't help but feel kinda sorry for her but Ari has a better mother in her life. Its cute how the actress' real name is quite close to her screen name
The fact that Seo Kang Hee finally accepted her fate that she will never be worth a memory in her daughter's mind made me pity her. DAMMIT! M SUPPOSED TO HATE YOU!
At last, she regretted everything she has done to Ari. She never knew until now, how important Ari is to her. I've hated her before but I feel pity for her now😧😭
Meanwhile the Dowager Empress managed to successfully appeal and wriggle out of her death sentence. Seems like there were several judges who could still be swayed by bribes and influence lol
I feel bad for her. People are saying that she doesn't deserve it but she raised Ari and is Ari's only blood family and vice versa for seo kanghee... most of you don't know what it's like to raise a child, trust me I don't and I hope they make a second season and include seo kanghee in it as well ❤️❤️
No matter how much she used ari for her own personal gain, I do believe she did it for ari too and now ari doesn’t even remember her. So sad. I think that’s the ultimate punishment for kang hee
This is probably the worst punishment for Seo Kang Hee
And the most suitable for her crime.
Jira Vicente not really. She never really cared for ari to begin with. And suddenly she seems to care for her. Its so out of character
@@michellep1555 she did care but because of her greed she lost it
Michelle P it’s not out of character. It’s the feeling of regret. She was so caught up about power and greed that she thought it’s what she always wanted from the start until she finally lost someone who only wanted a proper family, and a mother who was a mother. Her daughter in this case. Idky you act like this doesn’t happen in real life. Ex: A bad person isn’t going to stay bad for long unless they choose to continue to do bad things. They can redeem themselves. A good guy isn’t always going to stay a good guy for long. Like think about it... you can do something so fucked up, but moments later, you’ll realize that it’s wrong and change for the better good. So in conclusion, it’s not out of character, it’s a change in feeling and mindset. Just bc the “bad” character is bad, doesn’t mean they might stay bad forever. The character is developing, and this scene also portrays a moral. Movies/shows also are connected with real life situations too.
Jira Vicente no, it’s what she deserves. Don’t feel pity for their loss, and situation. Remember she lead a married pregnant woman to death, threatened, manipulated and abused her daughter, for her own selfish greed. Now she has to suffer for those she effected, she putted her selfish needs above everything and now it’s time for her to pay for her crimes.
She should have just treated Ari like a daughter and not a tool for power when she had all the opportunity in the world to be a mother. Tsk tsk. Well... regrets always come late.
Your thoughts reminds me of history of the late emperor of China. He used to be emperor at the age of 5 or 6. His vulnerability as a kid was used as tool for power.
Marilyn Yoon it's okay to feel bad for her. Don't worry.
I KNOW RIGHT
Yeah but she couldn’t do that because Ari isn’t supposed to know that she’s her mother, and she only acted to Ari in a harsh way because she was scared to be kicked out of the palace and never see her own daughter again
I think this scene also shows kanghee's only good side, she does regret what she's done and she knows she's no good for her daughter and that maybe she never has been
The most painful part is *when her own mother doesn't want her to remember anything about her.*
That part me be cry😢😢 it’s a mother’s worst nightmare to have their child not remember their mother.
yeah, ikr. a mom carries a baby in her womb for months and ????
Biancakes 😭😭 I would be so heartbroken💔💔💔
Ikr I even shed a tear
but the thing is she’s the only one she doesn’t remember which makes it obvious who’s fault is it which is even more depressing
before sunny explained ari's situation, i thought ari was pretending
Febulous_1004 Ik I thought she was doing it as a way to punish Kang Hee 😂
Me too, I already got used to her pretending 😂😂
And now I'm confused after watching the last part of this drama. When Ari visiting the palace, was she pretending to lost her memory?
Its trauma..
@@EmmyMNF she could be pretending or really forgotten her (both due to trauma), when she saw her ghost it could imply both situation too, she is now happy and can accept the situation, or she is now healthy and remember everything again.
Princess Ari losing her memory was the best thing that could have happened to her. She forgot the memory of the nanny being her mother and will now be able to live a good life with oh sunny without questioning who her real mother is. Although the nanny was a really bad person she really did love her daughter but the greed and uncertain future lead her to become a monster towards her daughter. In the beginning she knew she would never be able to become a part of princess Ari’s life, which is why she stayed as her daughters nanny and tried to do everything in her power to make princess ari the reigning empress. In the nannies mindset having princess ari as a reigning empress would give her the ability to live by her side as her mother and not nanny had things gone her way. However the greed was too powerful and it ended up destroying the mother daughter relationship. In comparison to the execution leaving her daughter behind and having her daughter not remember her was the ultimate punishment for all the crimes the nanny created. Because everything she did was for her daughter despite her greed getting in the way.In the end there’s a really touching scene where the nanny appears in front of princess ari to check up on her. In this scene I don’t think princess ari recognizes her as her mother but as her nanny. Because in the end the nanny was the one who took care of her when no one in the palace payed attention to her. She was there to protect her from the emperor’s sister’s tantrums and was the one who essentially raised her to be who she is.
Bree M I didn’t watch this show but your comment give me brief explanation of this show. Thanks
I agree thanks for the explanation. I've been fighting with myself to watch this, bu ut knowing how kdrama really tear out your soul. I'm not ready for another one yet.🙈💜😁
Wow that is very deep. Thanks for the explanation, I only saw parts of the clips but not the whole show. That honestly hit me right in the feels. And not trying to be rude but honestly, I think the nanny did get what she deserves, because she's basically being abusive and trying to be manipulative. And I am kind of glad Ari doesn't remember her bc if she did, it would've brought bad memories of the nanny. And she was trying to be a good mother, which I respect, but her greed took the best out of her. And she could've stayed as a mother than waste her time trying to have power, but nooooo, she had to be power hungry, along with the grandmother. I think if the nanny wasn't so power hungry or selfish, she could have respected Ari's decisions, and still love her like a good mother. But again, no one knew what was going to happen or that they would never realize how they behaved until now.
yy
Wait so the lady in blue is the real mom or is sunny the real mom?
I think she really loved ari but so many things had happened she just wanted to survive, and live a good life and Ari was the only one who could help her get that
not, she is jealouse from she best friend (Empress soo hyun), before she is just a maid. after she know she best friend merrid with emperor, she also want more be maid. until she have ari. she only used ari to become women got power
She really loved Ari, but greed overpowered her. She killed her bestfriend to make sure her own unborn child survive. If she didn't love Ari, she wouldn't care to meet her for the last time and rather to be forgotten.
Thats what you got when u trying greedy.
Ryana Salim the last episode when Ari was visiting the place the mother showed up but inly Ari could see her. She asked if she was happy. Ari said yes. And then she said (good thats all i wanted was for you to be happy)
Ryana Salim the mother was already dead when this had happend
Seo Kang Hee, I despised you all this time, I can't believe I shed tears for you
A mother will still be a mother who loves her child....
@@fieleykhorman4909 except for ED
Bruh me toooooo
Same here
Hahahaha same. Oh how I cried and pitied this women. Yuck 😂
Now she realizes her daughter is the only thing she really wants. 😢😢 Good moral stories. This ending is so good, she doesn't want Ari to remember her out of love. Plus, the scene where her ghost asking whether Ari is now happy is so heartwarming.
too bad it's too late for seo kang hee she was given a lots of chances by ari to be a better mother for her but she wasted it all because she became too greedy....
Well said... 😢😢😢
Seo kanghee got what she deserve... she should have been good mother if only the greed doesnot got into her ... her motherhood lose against her greed
Why do they do this? They always make me pity the evils
Because that's how it works in real life.
There is always goodness in evil person, likewise. There's always evil in good person.
@@SunaKo271 y-yeah.. ; - ;
Because there isn't such thing as a good or bad, right or wrong in this world. Like the reply two before me, if there is a righteousness there is evilness- if there is evilness there will be righteousness. There must always be a balance. Yin, Yang.
That's what audience want to see.
sarah Smith na i have no pity for this snake
This is one of the best k-dramas I've ever watched. The complexity of each characters had me in awe. And the actors were so immersed in their roles that nothing felt forced. Really well done!
in this drama everyone is changing now the only person remains wicked is the Empress Dowager.
She is the biggest evil witch after all, willing to kill her sons for power..mother from hell
Ivory Rose well she was the one pulling strings, so it make sense
Seo Kanghee is lucky she redeemed herself in the end. After all, she knew she was wrong. And she is still a mother, whose greatest sacrifice is to remove herself completely from her child's memories. She loved Ari as much as she loved herself, she was just so into the notion of becoming powerful so that she and her child will be at the top.
This woman did all the wrong things, including using her child, and her apology doesn't need to be verbal. In fact, she doesn't have to apologize.
All she has to do is to be a mother, and to decide what is the best for her dear child. And that is what she did.
Whoever doing sunny's eye makeup, i really love it
This is the perfect example for the saying “You only regret it when it’s gone.”
She remembered everything however she forgot how to become a good mother. When you play dirty tricks you get dirty punishment. So, sad but true.
"You're the only person she can't rememberred"
Thats the worst punishment ever for her as a biological mother for the princess
Im watching clips only here but it's so heartbreaking omg how can i hurt myself like this again. The last kdrama i cry like this was scarlet heart 😭😭😭
Try watching go back couple
sAME OMG
EXACTLY SAME AS ME😭😭SIMILAR VIBES AND ENDING TOO😭😭
Same
I recommend you "Iljimae" is also fantastic.
She realized what was important in the end. That ending montage where her ghost or memory appeared to Ari was a good wrap-up. It just made me cry 😭
this is a mother’s worse nightmare , no matter the things she did.
Pity how people only appreciate things when it vanished. At least every word she speaks come from her heart ♥️
In the end she still remembers her biological mother!! It’s the last few minutes of the final episodes, I think I’m going to cry over this for 2 years
The last two episodes got me crying ocean especially this scene and when the emperor died. The frustration I had about this drama will probably never fade away, the greed that took over one humanity as a person and as a mother to a child, it was so heartbreaking. I can't stop feeling sorry towards the emperor and Ari.
She had amnesia due to trauma. Being with her birth mother has been a traumatic past for her.
Hey she’s good on the inside..a bit
She killed the previous empress 😓
One thing I like about this drama is that every bad person has their own story (except the empress dowager). Doesn't make them less criminal, but the ending is perfect for each of them.
shes only good now that she got caught.
her good to bad ratio is 1:50000 ctfu
Where? When? How?
Jang Nara, Excellent actress, she is really beautiful and very natural ease in her roles of interpretation👍👍👍😍😍😍😍💗💗💗💗💪💪💪
Exactly right sunny
I’m confused, why did she get executed but not the Empress Dowager? During the trial, the judge said they both would be executed. I think it’s because she got some lawyers to make her live.
Empress Dowager asked for appeal meanwhile Seo Kang Hee in this scene promise the empress that she won't ask for appeal and ask her to take care of Ari instead
Death penalty takes a while to get carried out. It’s not something that happens in a matter of weeks or even months. Also, her lawyers didn’t take her off death row, she’s just waiting for her execution and Kang Hee probably is too, this just happened to be the last scene they showed of her. In the courtyard see where you can see the Empress Dowager with the rest of the inmates you can see she has a red tag in her jumpsuit, that red tag where her number is means that she’s on death row.
@@arabella777 yea maybe after a year Empress Dowager still waiting for her execution. Maybe her appeal was disapproved. But think Seo Kang Hee was executed at the same day Ari visited her or maybe not long after that because the scene where she walked back to her cell seems more like it. And since she didn't appeal at all she's most probably executed earlier. Also when Ari visited the palace with Prince Yoon a year later she saw Seo Kang Hee's spirit. Well I guess she's already passed away at that time
Thank you guys for your insight!!!
The most painful thing for a mother is seeing your own child not remembering you :
She loved Ari but she loved the throne more. Her love for Ari was over powered with her greed
Wow.Didn't expect her to change.
this last episode made me cry some much that i couldn’t stop for an hour
She was blinded by her love for Ari and the power.
She was blinded from power before remembering her daughter is not a tool
Every dang time that background music in the end plays throughout the whole drama, I ALWAYS CRY 😂
This scene and the one scene a year later really broke me. I was crying in front of my little sister and I couldn't even explain to her why.
For anyone out there..
Pls live a good life 🙌
She is learning from her mistake and I bet she would be a better person in the future. Ugh this show plays with my heart 😩
I really thought this will be a lousy soap opera. But my goodness, every episode I have to hold my breath!!!
Same. I usually just watch BL shows, but the moment I started this one I couldn't stop
Maxine Medina is that you? 😂😂💕💕
At least she realized something from all of the things that happened and she learned her lesson...♥️
Dang it!! The payback for each of the villains is so bad, you're tempted to feel sorry for them. Kang Hee's payback has got to take the 👑
at least she still has a feeling as a mother to her.. someone's bad at least still has a good side..
she just then realize than Ari was everything to her not power or the Imperial palace. She killed a pregnant woman just to be her daughter to have a better life..but in the end she was never recognized nor been treated as a mother by her own daughter.. KARMA is really a big deal.. KUDOS to this series I really watched it until the end.
This scene made me cry😢
Her father died her mother sentence execution.poor little ari😢
But she still have sunny ,,so i know she's gonna be fine..
This is probably the worst feeling for a mother. But considering what she has done and how she treated Ari later down the line, I guess she deserves it...
When I give sympathy for a villain that I almost curse in entire movie.
This punishment torturing her heart and soul forever. I never thought I will shed her a precious tears😅
I knew it's just a drama. But i can't deny ma tears:') this's heart breaking. Like, your own kid doesn't know you at all
That hurts so bad 💔that one💔 can't help but to cry 😭😭😭 her last request for her daughter's happiness is a heartbreak for her 😭😭😭
My grandma would have loved this drama it's so tragic and it's got a historical hierarchal society with just the right amount of kdrama clichés.
She thought ari to become a monster,, but thanks to sunny,,
Love this drama
scarlet heaet ryeo and the last empress must have the same screen writers.. Their goal is to make the audience cry throughout the episodes
We need season 2
2:07 At least she knows. Can't help but feel kinda sorry for her but Ari has a better mother in her life. Its cute how the actress' real name is quite close to her screen name
Kang Hee was executed which she deserves. It also happens Princess Ari's amnesia help her accept things as it is. She's inhumane.
Seo Kang hee I love her so much
I kinda feel bad for Kang Hee. But this is karma for her cause of the decisions she made just because she wanted to stay in the palace 😔
The fact that Seo Kang Hee finally accepted her fate that she will never be worth a memory in her daughter's mind made me pity her. DAMMIT! M SUPPOSED TO HATE YOU!
Repressed memories. Feel sorry for Ari :(
Hmm... Seo Kang Hee lost her daughter (Ari's amnesia), while Yura forgot her son (though she dotes him so much now)....
I cried at the part where ari remembered seo kang hee at the end
At least, she is a mom. Very different than the Empress Dowager.
I love the last empress
She loves Princess ari
Why I can feel the pain. 💔
She deserves to be forgotten.
Yet she loves ari as her daughter, but power and succession is greater than her daughter to her..
This is going to be emotional 😢😢😢
At last, she regretted everything she has done to Ari. She never knew until now, how important Ari is to her. I've hated her before but I feel pity for her now😧😭
I don't know, she is bad mother but in the end she did her best to be good mother... :(
Tell the kid the whole truth so that she is able to defend herself in the future
truth ALWAYS comes out
Meanwhile the Dowager Empress managed to successfully appeal and wriggle out of her death sentence. Seems like there were several judges who could still be swayed by bribes and influence lol
*god fucking damnnit why must they make me sob for her?*
I love this
The ones who always makes us infuriated, will also be the one who will make us cry
Also couldnt they just sentenced her to life?
I'm looking forward to watch this drama.....so can you guys tell me whether it's nice or not
It's more than NICE... This drama possessed for about 5-8 or more genre. That's why it shows COMPLEXITY & DUALITY. It's great, from plot to actors.
내가 주 I love princess Ari
What does she mean by "I was never a good mother in Ari's life" you weren't a mother in her life at all.
no you never care ari ...but only your own ambition...
Remembered this scene from Miracle In Cell
Video yg full chanel apa si susah bgt nyarinyaa ilike film 😭😭😭
Wow can't believe people actually felt bad for this character. I don't give a fuck. When bad people gets their karma I sip my tea and enjoy.
i like this song. How can i get?
I feel bad for her. People are saying that she doesn't deserve it but she raised Ari and is Ari's only blood family and vice versa for seo kanghee... most of you don't know what it's like to raise a child, trust me I don't and I hope they make a second season and include seo kanghee in it as well ❤️❤️
No matter how much she used ari for her own personal gain, I do believe she did it for ari too and now ari doesn’t even remember her. So sad. I think that’s the ultimate punishment for kang hee
If only you can get amnesia at will and delete certain people from your memories. 😆
now she realizes what the most important thing in her life was. pretty sad
I wish I had that little girls talent she was amazing
this is the final?
oh no why didni watch this clip...i need to catch up with this series
if shes the only one that ari cant remember, then it must be selective amnesia..
雅莉很怕她後!!!
Is this the last ep?
Poor ARI 😭😭😭😭
Before she only wanted to raise Ah Ri to be smart and become the empress
I am crying this is so sadddd
1:58 what bgm song?
Woo bin merecía más, q triste su salida
i’ve been curious why the nanny is the mother of the royal blood girl. can someone explain pls?
Ariya
For a Constitutional Monarchy, They have a SHIT LOAD OF POWER.....like do anyone question this