Tyranny of Dragons Reprint Review | Nerd Immersion
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2019
- So the reprint of Tyranny of Dragons with the Collector's Edition cover is finally out. This is a repackaging of the original two adventures Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat together in one book. While the cover is awesome and having the added Concept Art section is nice, it is largely still the exact same adventures. It was supposed to have a "reworked first chapter". If they meant the first section of the book, that is just a repackaging of the first sections of both books but placed back to back. There are a few small edits above and beyond what was in the errata, but nothing earth shattering.
If you want it as a collector's piece, I'd say get it. If you already have Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat, I wouldn't bother.
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Fun Fact: the draconic on the book says "Five heads are better than one"
Haha i don't know how you know this, but if it's true i love it
@@mikefett5989 the player’s handbook has the draconic alphabet in it. You can just switch the letters over to English lol
I mean, we were looking for a longer campaign to do, and instead of buying two books, I could buy one, and I feel like that’s nice and convenient. The art is fantastic, and the actual story overview is very easy to understand and follow, no guess work is needed. I feel like this is a great buy for someone who doesn’t have both books, or just wants convenience. Idk, I like the book.
I just bought the book. Had some doubts but your comment convinced me it's worth to give it a shot. Not sure if I will run it yet, but I probably will after we are done with the current one.
@@dimitrismakris7602 that’s awesome! Glad I could help lol. I hope you like it, after running through most of this book, I have to say I still love it. Dms will always have to tweak things here or there due to the party, and I think this book still does a great job explaining how to get where you need to be. Some things probably could be nicer, but still a great book for convenience and amazing art if nothing else
I picked this up because I wanted to run the adventure, and my goly it's a doozy to run, but damn it's fun watching the players play through it.
I wanna have that book in my house just for the cover lol
It seems to me that WotC essentially just released a collectors edition of the first two 5e adventures, while making it sound more like a major rework due to previous negative feedback without actually committing to an actual major rework. And I feel that was a huge missed opportunity.
Also this product does show that they are willing to go back and rework things at least for collectors editions. So why didn't they apply the same thought process to the rerelease of the PHB as an easy way to fix the ranger? 🤨
Karpmageddon and also several classes which have completely lackluster capstones. *nervously laughs in monk
@@ERBanmech Of course but I didn't want to rub it in. The ranger left things sore enough.
PHB is a different beast than a campaign book. The latter should only have one copy at the table, in the DM's hands. Multiple differing copies of PHB's at a table can get messy really fast.
Karpmageddon I felt the ranger got a lot of rework in Xanathar’s guide to everything just like how the idea of role playing a Paladin got explained better
Great ideas all. I wish they'd do re-works a bit more like the Beadle & Grimm versions, seperating the different parts of the module so DMs can hand out maps etc to players. And yes, they should just re-release the player handbook with the updates, kind of like monsters of the multiverse was basically just a re-release of previous content with updated stats.
I have the first half of the adventure and while I’m putting my own spin on a lot of the stuff I’m wondering if it may be beneficial to get this instead of the second half so I could get a more seemless transition from one to the next and maybe some art to help with theater of the mind stuff
Appreciate the update. I'll have to look online to see if there's any other differences, and hope someone compiles it all into an online document. I'm rather not have to spend the money twice.
I don't have either book so I pre-ordered this book.
I didn't have either book as well, and you get 2 adventures in a single book
I'd like to buy the book just to own it and have the magic items on hand, but if the rework truly is that bland... I think I can live without the magic items.
And all the magic items are available on the free online pdf
Free online pdf
I haven't played D&D in over 20 years, but I'm starting to get back into it. For me, I picked this up yesterday. Since I didn't have the originals, I think I made a good purchase. If I had the originals, I seriously doubt that I would have even considered it.
Dang. I really hoped reworked opening chapter meant they redid the first chapter. Like solving the unmotivated „run towards the dragon“ issue and the other issues in this chapter. I think this chapter was one of the big problems of the adventure.
They could have done more then just rebalancing it a little. It still seems incredibly hard for potentially beginner players.
I am glad you did this, I am a little choked about this. I thought they would fix a lot of it.
If you have neither of the original books and want to run the adventure there is worse deals. I personally find it a great adventure to play to introduce people to all D&D has to offer. I do change things up, especially the beginning is basically replaced by a costume start.
I'm currently running this book and sometimes, even when I'm not planning the next game, I'll just look at the splash pages and the concept art.
Hi,
I didn't have the two seperate campaign books Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat.
I thought it was convenient that they had two campaigns in one book.
How is the campaign in General?
DO you have to tweak it a lot as a DM?
Like give the characters in chapter 1 more time to rest (or more healing potions) or would it be making it to easy on them?
I got it because I don't have the original and plan to run it after ice spire peak, and start hoard at level 6, adjusting encounters accordingly, and start rise of tiamat at level 10.
To be fair, I don't have either books and I'm a sucker for Concept art, so I think I'll buy that.
@Sara de Klerk Haven't yet, issues in budget and other things. Probably will be getting Theros and Wildmount first for different reasons.
@Sara de Klerk I did buy it myself and love the quality of the book
I'm a fairly new DM and have yet to purchase any campaign but my group has voted for this to be our first one, so if I don't have the original two, THEN this would be worth my money right? Half of us have never even encountered a dragon before so this one really stuck out to us. Besides that, nice vid man, alot of good info! thank you
The paper quality is so nice! Wish all the books were like that
so is queens hoard and rise of tiamat just smashed together in one book or did they shorten queens hoard so that you can get to rise of tiamat faster but without losing the important parts of queens hoard? and if it's the latter; is it a smooth transition from queens hoard to tiamat? i heard that queens hoard is bad because there's a lot of running back and forth to the same couple of places and having the same fights with the same people. but if you skip queens hoard then you lose the urgency and some of the important stuff that queens hoard gives you. and as a new DM, i'll be honest, i dont know how to handle starting players out at a high level with an army already on their side. i've ran a couple of one shots but i've never done a campaign before. please help and thanks for reading.
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I think this is worth picking up due to the cover, errata, the art, the online supplement, and the change in paper (I don't care for the matte finish paper in the original books). The change to Chapter 1 actually is nice since the original version was rather brutal, I like that we can level sooner get some things to stay alive longer, which is enough to change the outcome of the campaign. I have played this twice and each time, someone dies horribly due to being unable to survive some of the crap thrown at you without rest or resources. I already own HotDQ but not RoT, so this allows me to complete the collection. I might even give my old HotDQ book to my dad.
Now Rise of Tiamat is out of print and I can’t find either version anywhere 🙁
Thanks so much for this review--I'd really been hoping for a fuller revision of the campaign, but seems like WotC leaned towards minimal effort here.
Greenest in Flames is awesome. It was my 1st time DMing a published scenario and it went very cinematically. Shit went down, the players were really engaged and fearful for their characters. Afterwards the campaign started to stall...
Picked this up on Black Friday 2023 for less than 20$. Totally worth it.
Im gonna get Tyranny of Dragons, play through that, then as a climax I'm doing Rime of the Frost Maiden, then I'm doing as the resolution The Curse of Strahd.
If I'm doin a Stranger Things campaign meaning no disrespect, I'm gonna play through Into The Abyss along with the stranger things campaign cuz they're basically the same except it'll be added monsters and scenarios by +300 pages.
I'll never forget the DC 70 Strength check in Hoard of the Dragon Queen.
Im sorry.... i must have misheard you. Lol. I played that as a player and never ran into it. Where is that crap? Because i would have screamed.
@@christopherrahoche1759 It is not possible to sendi pictures here, but I just checked, it is on page 82, The last sentence of the paragraph under 19. Steering Tower.
And here we are today with it re-released again.
You could always have the adventures mess up the ritual at the end enough that tiamat comes bacl as a psudo or semi dracolich that the party can still fight and maybe kill acouple player but not tpk.
Just so you know the drawn images in the back depicting the five chromatic dragons that you said would be great for a 5e Draconomicon were from the 3e Draconomicon, they just reused them for this book.
I played through the first chapter of the first version of the adventure. It was not great and our incompetent DM made it even worse. He just eliminated the option to even take a short rest at all and forced us to go through each encounter, no milestones or anything. Would we have missed out on some encounters by taking a short rest? Yes, and we also wouldn't have lost half the party in the ensuing surprise attack. In addition, his encounter were never ready and he would always ALWAYS roll each monster's hit points while we're rolling for initiative. I might be willing to try this tweaked adventure, because it sounds a lot more doable if you're at least level 2, but it sounds more like that all should have been errata for the adventure already.
I didn't own the original versions and it came out just as I was starting to actively collect the entirety of 5e, so it was perfect for me.
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Oh man I am so anxious, I hope it is worth it. Cause I want it....
I understand that most of the parts are just reprints, but I think that if you don't have both HotDQ and RoT it"s worth it. Even if there are veeery small changes.
I wish I saw this before I bought it! I’m new to dnd and it’ll be my first time DMing... totally thought this would be a well polished and amazing campaign but a lot of the reviews I’m seeing, people are not fans.
If u are DMing this campaign i would highly recommend reading this run through. it comes complete with encounter reworks. slyflourish.com/greenest_in_flames.html
I’ve been doing research on a bunch of different campaign books and no one likes any of them, I’m dming this one currently and loving it so I guess it’s just up to the person
Yes it’s worth your money if you are a good DM, can think on the fly and run it true to the code
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I bought it. But only because I didn't have the originals. I wouldn't have if I did already. There really isn't good enough reason to get it if you already have the 2 previous books.
I was "keene", waited for it, bought it as soons as it came out. Love it, love the concept art, still love the adventure, Dming the campaign for a group that's never done it starting tonight.
And how have things gone... give us an update
that caravan chapter turned me off from running Hoard-- its was brutally blank lol
From someone who tried running it as intended... just skip it, with the players suddenly arriving at the roadhouse or have them learn Castle Naerytar's location after defeating the enemies in the previous chapter when going through the loot.
Just use the stuff in the caravan chapter as inspiration for random encounters, because that's basically what it is.
There are better campaigns, but dragons are cool so would still recommend it, event though it's kinda janky and require more work from the GM. 🙂
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Just give me a deluxe cover of dragon heist already WoTC!!
I've got a feeling they might try and do the same thing in a few years with Dragon Heist and Dungeon of the Mad Mage
@@NerdImmersion but does it really make sense, like WDDH was a mystery, heist adventure that can be run in many different ways, and DotMM is just a big dungeon crawl. I find that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they go hand in hand, a big heist for early play leading into a big, gigantic dungeon crawl for the rest of the levels.
I Bought it Today! Its My First Adventure Book Ever in D&D 5E! And I Didn't Planed it AT ALL!!! I just saw it in a store, and I got so excited... so I bought it.
So basically if you have the other books don't get it if you don't have the other books get it?
Yeah, or if you just like collector's editions, then get it
I bought this a while back and just finished, there is a lot of content that just makes the game feel smoother and less blocky and dungeon Crawley
That's just my opinion though
I'm gonna assume the errata/reprint didn't fix or make the caravan portion of Hoard of the Dragon Queen more interesting did they? Cause how boring and drawn out that section pretty much a campaign ender from people being bored.
I mean I didn't read through it fully, but but the promo material said nothing about reworking later chapters
@@NerdImmersion that's fair. Just was holding onto a sliver of hope.
Now I am on the Fence...is it woth Ted?
If you already have them, I wouldn't. Unless you want the special cover as a collector's piece
@@NerdImmersion Yeah I do not have it, and am using PDF I found. I am currently running for a group right now, so I was hoping that it would of been updated to the current stage of 5e.
this guy wrote a good rework of the chapters. nice and short reads too in comparison to others i've found slyflourish.com/greenest_in_flames.html
Honestly, I'm just waiting for them to reprint curse of strahd.
Anticannon why? It’s a awesome adventure already
Yall had to say something, now we are getting ripped off again!
How disappointing a release this is. Thanks for the review! Glad to save my money
So for the first quarter of the review he complains about the missing online references. But he didn't read it right. Tyranny of Dragons states that the stuff has been added to the book itself, so you don't have to look for it online anymore.
I didn't like HotDQ, so unless they seriously improved it here, I don't think i'll bother.
I got it so I don't have to get 2 separate books, and it's a better cover, let's be honest.
Thank's for helping me make up my mind on getting the book or not.
Sadly, every module besides curse of strahd has been a pure disappointment for me in the module department.
I also find it hard at this point to even endorse WotC or Wizkids for being over priced and not actually delivering quality products even tho some of their more recent stuff is getting better it does not make up for just how awful some of their lines are.
You didn't like Storm Kings Thunder , Tomb of Annihilation , Dragon Heist , Dungeon of the Mad Mage , Descent into Avernus or the Ghosts of Saltmarsh ? You're really about to tell me those aren't sick? As if even if you have played Dungeon of the Mad Mage you'd have finished the module by now? Give me a break dude
Nothing is changed
First of all I actually enjoyed the campaign and the folks that shine hate at it , I won't dissuade or otherwise attempt to dissuade you from your opinion -- its your opinion. Its ok we disagree. The folks that imply this was supposed to be a re-write are flat out morons. They never said that or implied it. They literally combined both adventures, wrote a new introduction and fixed (hence the errata mentioned here) and that's it. But that's all I expected it to be. I bought this book because I was a player of the adventure and didn't own it...now that I want to DM it I bought the book. The whole point of this is missed on people -- it was released as homage to the very first official WOTC 5e adventure that was released. If you bought this already owning the two original books and thought anything different...that's your bad for not paying attention. Buyer beware, as they say. A stupid consumer shouldn't blame the product.
this is a huge strawman you got there man, yeah nobody said this was gonna be a re-work, but nobody thought that the only thing they would do is smash 2 books together and call it a day.
bad consumer?? more like company keeps things vague enough to leave in wiggle room, this was nothing but a cash-grab.
you know how incredible lazy this is? why pay good money for a thing that's already released BUT this time we have (drum roll) a new cover!!!!!!! this is like anouncing you're launching a new breackfast option only to give you waffles and bacon packeged together.
I also see you've missed alot, the reason we started with the dragon-campain is because it's an homage to the original dragonlance setting/adventure, wich is one of the reasons the first chapter are so fucked, the fact that you think it's an homage because ''first 5th E campain released'', where they could have reworked the story, not have it be a follow the dragon after you follow it AGAIN and improve on it no, instead I think ''cashgrab'' fits better, FFS it's not like they put any effort into the adventure all they did was re-shuffle things and update the cover.
10 minutes of my life wasted.
I'm not sure what the problem is. It's literally a reprint. That's what they were selling.
One of the main features of this product which is listed on their official site is "Complete with errata and a reworked opening chapter."
Everyone it seems was hoping for the reworked opening chapter to actually be something substantial, not just a few small tweaks
@@NerdImmersion I see. I must have been in the minority to assume it just meant adding the errata
@@californiawells2805 I'm pretty sure you were in the majority who understood that WotC were not gonna spend considerable man hours and money completely overhauling a 5 year old campaign.....which is apparently what the guy in the video wanted
@@alzaronwayne5255 a lot of people wanted it, because it's bad hence why
@@draakgast actually having run it, it's really not. Unless your definition of bad is "I cannot open the book and run this campaign specifically designed for my unique players/characters with no changes whatsoever to the design concept." The storyline is great. The ideas the campaign gave me reading through were fantastic. And really I only had to tweak the long journey to Waterdeep. On top of it my players loved the story. So if you didn't enjoy it (along with several others) then it wasn't for you. But that doesn't make it bad.
Why is very video from this guys so whiny?