@edelrid: Does the Edelrid Pinch also lock when you have no hands on the braking rope or on the device at all? Is the weight of the rope enough? Of course depending on which rope is used. Have there been any tests in that direction? Regards
Since it's called Assisted Belay Device you always have to keep a hand on the break side, never trust 100% the mechanism to lock otherwise you put yourself or your climber in danger at some point
supposedly so but has a significant difference in rescue load compared to other IDs I think, max load on the user manual says 120kg which doesn't give you much in terms of a safety ratio. Certainly i'd be looking to my beefier descenders before reaching for this if I see 'Big John' the 100kg rigger on the team currently unconscious in the air. I remember reading 150kg somewhere for a rescue limit but I **CANNOT** remember where I read that so unless I can source that, go with user manual 120kg limit. I'd commented on another edelrid video regarding the require of holding the break strand. When I think of a descender in a rope access environment I think of a handsfree device when it's locked, this looks similar to many other camming devices but I couldn't get a confirmation if as a rope positioning device, this could be used hands free when in a static position. Given that this is also a sport climbing style belay device I wonder if there's a worry that in saying you don't need to hold the rope when in rope position, if some people may read that as not needing to hold it when using it in a sport context.
The PINCH is certified and tested for a total user weight of 120kg. A use with higher weights is only acceptable in rescue situations and has to be performed by a trained person, rappelling speed and/or distance have to be decreased.
The PINCH has been successfully certified according to EN 15151-1 (braking devices with manually assisted locking) and EN 12841-C (rope adjustment device). However, certification according to EN 12841-C (descender) could not be implemented in time for the start of the first production batch because of organizational reasons. If you bought a device and would like to return it, please contact us via the contact form on our website. We apologize for any inconvenience.
@@fredericohsilva For further production, the implementation of certification according to EN 12841-C is now ensured. We currently plan to have PINCH with EN 12841-C available in stores during Q3 2024.
Great question! At EDELRID, we strive to continuously improve our climbing gear to correspond to the latest technologies materials and developments in the markets. For example, one innovative technology of the PINCH is the option for direct attachment to the harness which the EDDY does not feature, amongst other major differences between the belay devices.
Since you have to press the large button on the side in order to open it to load the rope, I assume there's a built in lock. Unlike the GriGri and most other similar belay devices, where the carabiner is the only thing holding the device closed.
ua-cam.com/video/hpBRguSAJM4/v-deo.html they talk about it a bit more in their other video. you have to press the button to unlock it, but also need to physically turn the device to the side to slide around what it's clipped to. not as locked in as a gri-gri in that respect, but more-so than a rig or an ID
The opening mechanism requires a multiway action: swing open the side plate whilst pushing the button at the same time. Furthermore, the geometry of the side plates prevents from accidentally opening the device under load even if you manage to press the button. You can optionally use a carabiner as a backup using direct attachment method, or chose the conventional method using a locking carabiner. Of course, the device is field- and lab for both attachment methods. Each of the methods can have its advantage, and since the PINCH offers both, it is up to the user to decide whether the direct attachment or the conventional method suits best. Check out our tutorial video on basic functions of the PINCH here: ua-cam.com/video/T0vVi-0U8jw/v-deo.html
Absolutely not until you add a twist screw or pull pin to physically lock the gate side.. Respectfully -Actual Tower Specialist/Rope Access rescuer.. *A 30 cent captive screw and tapping a threaded hole for 50 cents would make this device ridiculously safer. As is, seems like someone will "pinch" it during a panicked fall and open it, and you're just hoping the rope keeps your "gate safety" from letting it open, but on a weighted rope or side loaded fall I can foresee a world where the gate walks itself off the rope in that or similar situation of accidentally engaging that button.
I got mine today!!!!!!!!! I love it!!!!!
❤ so beautiful device... I really like to have it...thanks Edelrid ❤️👌
Has the issue of Eddie's slow autobrake response been resolved?
Seems similar to other company's device :D
@edelrid: Does the Edelrid Pinch also lock when you have no hands on the braking rope or on the device at all? Is the weight of the rope enough? Of course depending on which rope is used. Have there been any tests in that direction? Regards
Since it's called Assisted Belay Device you always have to keep a hand on the break side, never trust 100% the mechanism to lock otherwise you put yourself or your climber in danger at some point
When is the release date?
Is Certified to descend with two persons at the same time? For rescue scenarios?
supposedly so but has a significant difference in rescue load compared to other IDs I think, max load on the user manual says 120kg which doesn't give you much in terms of a safety ratio. Certainly i'd be looking to my beefier descenders before reaching for this if I see 'Big John' the 100kg rigger on the team currently unconscious in the air.
I remember reading 150kg somewhere for a rescue limit but I **CANNOT** remember where I read that so unless I can source that, go with user manual 120kg limit.
I'd commented on another edelrid video regarding the require of holding the break strand. When I think of a descender in a rope access environment I think of a handsfree device when it's locked, this looks similar to many other camming devices but I couldn't get a confirmation if as a rope positioning device, this could be used hands free when in a static position.
Given that this is also a sport climbing style belay device I wonder if there's a worry that in saying you don't need to hold the rope when in rope position, if some people may read that as not needing to hold it when using it in a sport context.
The PINCH is certified and tested for a total user weight of 120kg. A use with higher weights is only acceptable in rescue situations and has to be performed by a trained person, rappelling speed and/or distance have to be decreased.
EN 12841-C is crossed out on the box in which it is packed!?
The PINCH has been successfully certified according to EN 15151-1 (braking devices with manually assisted locking) and EN 12841-C (rope adjustment device). However, certification according to EN 12841-C (descender) could not be implemented in time for the start of the first production batch because of organizational reasons. If you bought a device and would like to return it, please contact us via the contact form on our website. We apologize for any inconvenience.
@@edelrid will the next batch include the EN 12841-C (descender) certification ?
@@fredericohsilva For further production, the
implementation of certification according to EN 12841-C is now ensured. We currently
plan to have PINCH with EN 12841-C available in stores during Q3 2024.
How is it different from "eddy"?
Great question! At EDELRID, we strive to continuously improve our climbing gear to correspond to the latest technologies materials and developments in the markets.
For example, one innovative technology of the PINCH is the option for direct attachment to the harness which the EDDY does not feature, amongst other major differences between the belay devices.
How is it safe when you directly attach it to your harness? Does Anything keep the plate from opening and the rope from coming out?
I've been wondering this myself.
Since you have to press the large button on the side in order to open it to load the rope, I assume there's a built in lock. Unlike the GriGri and most other similar belay devices, where the carabiner is the only thing holding the device closed.
ua-cam.com/video/hpBRguSAJM4/v-deo.html they talk about it a bit more in their other video. you have to press the button to unlock it, but also need to physically turn the device to the side to slide around what it's clipped to. not as locked in as a gri-gri in that respect, but more-so than a rig or an ID
I didn’t see that video, pretty ingenious! But I expected nothing less from edelrid!
The opening mechanism requires a multiway action: swing open the side plate whilst pushing the button at the same time.
Furthermore, the geometry of the side plates prevents from accidentally opening the device under load even if you manage to press the button. You can optionally use a carabiner as a backup using direct attachment method, or chose the conventional method using a locking carabiner.
Of course, the device is field- and lab for both attachment methods. Each of the methods can have its advantage, and since the PINCH offers both, it is up to the user to decide whether the direct attachment or the conventional method suits best.
Check out our tutorial video on basic functions of the PINCH here: ua-cam.com/video/T0vVi-0U8jw/v-deo.html
Absolutely not until you add a twist screw or pull pin to physically lock the gate side..
Respectfully
-Actual Tower Specialist/Rope Access rescuer..
*A 30 cent captive screw and tapping a threaded hole for 50 cents would make this device ridiculously safer.
As is, seems like someone will "pinch" it during a panicked fall and open it, and you're just hoping the rope keeps your "gate safety" from letting it open, but on a weighted rope or side loaded fall I can foresee a world where the gate walks itself off the rope in that or similar situation of accidentally engaging that button.
If you're concerned about it opening, you could just put a carabiner through the attachment loop. That way it's being physically blocked from opening.